[000:00:00;00] when e-e plans its attacks from odessa arina nebohid for espresso tv channel greetings espresso viewers, traditionally on our tv channel we record interviews with iconic personalities and today my guest is a world-famous director, laureate of cannes and other world film festivals e-e cinema and theater director er, actually chistov zanussi for those who do not understand cinema and may not have seen the films of mr. zanussi, i will say yes, a descendant of the same zanussi who manufacture household appliances, he is a pshestafa good day congratulations

you and all the tv viewers, with your permission, i will make a small introduction and confess to our viewers that i know you well and not as a journalist actually, mr. krzysztof has been doing a lot for ukraine since 2014, as soon as russia started a war against ukraine, and actually in that struggle pankrev became on the side of ukraine he appealed to the world community for russia to release oleg sentsov and of course he supported the ukrainians and he actually supported my family as well because in 2014 when yanukovych's henchmen kidnapped my brother, he was then he was a student at the acting faculty and he had to flee the country. he ended up in poland, not knowing or not understanding the language. what should he do, and a belarusian journalist friend of mine said, let's introduce him to shestof zanusi. he supports such young people who have a vital attitude who wants to change something, and i didn't believe that it would be possible

. pankszysztof will be a world celebrity and where are we, but it so happened that mr. krzysztof accepted my brother , sheltered him and not only helped him figure out how to act in poland, glue later my brother played him in the joint ukrainian-polish film , ether, one of the main roles . well, then, pshishto already visited us , he visited our town. actually, you probably remember how you visited us in bucha. it was in the summer, before the full-scale invasion of the scarp had begun . there were about six months, maybe seven months left before it. you mukpant, could you believe it then? if someone said that bucha would become

such a painful symbol of the struggle of the ukrainians against the russians that it will be occupied, that the russians will rape women, kill ordinary unarmed people, shoot children , did you have such a premonition no, and you know, it seems to me that at that time few people in europe assumed that we would live to see we already remember, i can remember because i am quite old, so i know what the second world war was and that we will live to see a new war in europe, it seemed impossible to us , it seemed that it had already passed forever time has not passed and that is why it is even difficult for me to imagine that this is real , that this is not the world on the screen, that this is not a virtual world, but the real one, and all this is actually a fact, it is very painful and very sad evidence that our hope for progress

humanity is still a little too early to leave, the progress is quite slow, and maybe even doubtful. the war in ukraine began in 2014. and actually, at the time of the full-scale invasion, it had already been going on for 8 years. i can definitely say that russia can do something similar with ukraine, which began february 24, 2022 similar thoughts that it is cramped in europe because we live relatively close compared to other continents that in that oxygen europe there will be some corrections of borders implemented with the help of violence it seemed that it was already in the past , something like the 19th century, when was the last time such things took place and it really seems that what is happening in your ukraine is like the last colonial war that is being waged because all other colonial conflicts have been resolved

, sometimes it even hurts because when i think about france, which yielded to algeria, despite to the fact that this earth was inhabited by the french for centuries, but this page had to be turned over, and now something like this is happening nearby when one country does not want to allow another country to exist as a sovereign and independent frog, the other country took off. this, in my opinion, is a historical anachronism, let's look at it this way but it is also a terrible pain of patience for those who are victims of that anachronism. one country that wants to destroy another has always repeated that it has a great culture, and not only russia spoke about its culture, but also the world

he repeated this, how could people of such medical culture allow a full-scale war and the one that began in 2014 , the russians, as russians, resorted to these barbaric atrocities that people felt in buch and other ukrainian cities and that ukrainians still feel in other cities of ukraine and it is raining, you know, we already processed similar considerations after the second world war , the germans created a cowardly wonderful culture. at the same time, it was the german people who elected hitler in democratic elections and in principle supported his proposals, so that culture is something that is really of great importance and is primarily related to some part of society when certain aspirations of the masses who want to somehow

find their place in that life become apparent. can be seen in this war, but this is probably where such a difficulty lies, the only thing is that different conclusions can be drawn from the same thoughts and ideas, what conclusions should be drawn from russian culture completely different, because this is the culture of great humanism, this is a culture in which chekhov or tolstoy, let alone pre-dostoyevsky, showed the entire depth of the human soul and the entire depth of such different potential meanness that lies in the person of others, people probably did not see themselves enough in their own mirror what is russian culture but or that travel and meanness are condemned in

their works. i think so, i have no doubt that dostoevsky is a strict judge of his people, and above all of himself, whom he actually depicted in his works, so i would not suspect that here there is some kind of hypocrisy, which, perhaps, there really is some kind of disincentive to such a passive view of life here, for example, that nothing can be done, that a person is incapable of his own meanness, that he must obey it, and this is actually not true, and everything western culture is permeated with that thought that it is impossible to completely eliminate evil from this world, but it is possible to limit evil, you can limit resistance instead, and the incompetence of hand-wringing, and so it must be, because some of you are already like that, this, unfortunately, is the very bad

legacy of eastern thinking that is permeated russia, i don't know to what extent it is under the influence of the mongol invasion, where did such thoughts and considerations come from, which are completely different from the western european type of thinking, which assumes that a person is looking for realization, so that everyone has a platform where he can change something in his life, and in fact, i think that this is very important today to remember that we can still change the world, sometimes it requires huge sacrifices, you know putin personally well , i can say so, the question always arises , does putin know me? i met him in several times in my life, maybe five or six, once i sat next to the president during the moscow film festival, although it was many years ago, it seems somewhere in 2002. so you can say that i had a little closer contact with him, although it was really insignificant . what can you say about him

after those meetings, what kind of person is he, he understands that it was not a close communication but nevertheless, what is his impression on you as a director of the rules, you know, it is very difficult for me to evaluate a person , especially a politician. all politicians have elaborate masks behind which they hide and the man is probably like a person who is looking for actors for the theater or the cinema. i would say that president putin is to a certain extent a gloomy old woman, this gloominess is felt for people who are connected to the special services, a lot of such people carry in themselves and in the company of a very dangerous profession, it is rushed in the eyes at once, and everything else here is such banal things . for example, the fact that he is an intellectual person , he keeps it to himself, but those are already such features

that can be seen in his every public speech that you had the opportunity to see him several times putin, you also know many russian directors, actors, actors, because together with them you worked on joint polish-russian films of russian , polish, e-e, cheater, spa, do you maintain and now contact with familiar artists from russia have become very difficult for me, this year i received several calls e-mails to their relatives and these tickets are formal signs that we still know each other, but it probably cannot be otherwise, because our communication

is not so free, er, if probably all our conversations are recorded, and theirs, too, not with of my acquaintances, only nikita mikhalkov is a person who openly stands on the side of the government, vlad is an outsider, and it is difficult to communicate, we always knew that he lives such a myth of imperial russia, because he is from a boyar family, his father was also an employee , he was in the service of stalin, there was no rethinking in the service those years of communism , which is not recognized, no one is to blame, but also about those who praised the unsuccessful, ill-conceived

industrialization decision, simply in the conditions of a dictatorship , where there is no criticism, where there is no competition. such a deformed way is happening, russia has not reconsidered the past, has not reviewed the reasons for its backwardness, is not as developed as the united states of america . there is a place for russia in the whole world community for russia, there is a place for russia in europe , which needs that eastern lung, as john paul ii once said that the second limped. but russia

has not rethought its own past and this a huge loss for russia itself, and this should be taken into account as a misfortune that befell this people, and what if you look at history , you would see that bad things happened there in the past, and it would be much easier to look into the future. i wanted to clarify about nikita mikhalkova chi have you been in touch with him lately after february 24, did you talk no no at all no contact at all after 2014 actually not a single close conversation eh mr. trust me already rose i did not understand my communist past i was not defeated now she will have to rethink also new ones

mistakes, new sins, this war that it started against ukraine and which continues to this day . people did not go abroad when they were in some controversy, even with the majority . and so that they could participate in that niece while inside the country, i am looking for them. they serve that country, because a huge number of people from russia, creative people left from the country and i do not meet them in the baltic countries, georgia, germany, austria, a huge number of emigrants are usually the intelligentsia, young creative people. actually, they leave. and then who should liberate russia if only those who support putin remain and where to fight

against ukraine who are not interested in politics but we already know from history that it will not be possible to say that this is a policy that does not concern me . it applies to everyone as well as different totalitarian regimes in europe. above all , all germans were in hitler's totalitarianism compliance to a certain extent or did not resist it is some kind of mistake a big historical mistake when people do not resist the sound but evil must be fought accordingly mr. i attacked the second john paul ii as a believer i wanted to talk about the current pope francis

changela how grass during a full-scale invasion makes some such strange appeals and statements that ukrainians do not quite understand , why and for what the pope recently addressed to the russian catholic youth, i will quote without forgetting nick where about your children you, the heirs of great russia, received the great russia of peter the great, catherine ii, is the empire of the great, enlightened, great culture and great humanity, he said, of course, the vatican immediately began to explain that the pope does not admire russian imperialism, but not only ukrainians were outraged by his words, which are fashionable, russian, but also in other countries that have seen through their own experience what russia is like , they also did not accept them and what

communism was, how do you evaluate the words and actions of the current pope? i think that they are dictated by his south american perspective and perception. he knows little about european history and it is clearly visible. catherine ii is not a person who served christianity, rather the opposite. i think that this is a very unfortunate statement and i am very sorry. i know that contrary to the dogma, the pope can be wrong in such matters, she just said that something very unsuccessfully, i just think that he wanted to express his respect for the positive contribution that russia made to the history of mankind, not thanks to the empire of peter i

, catherine ii, not thanks to its rulers, but more thanks to its artists, talents, scientists hmm, italy already has its own people, already its own scientists. but it is not a contribution, that contribution to human wealth is, in the end, a big one, and the pope formulated it very poorly, we know that he then improvised it and the improvisation was unsuccessful, as far as i'm concerned, well, we have a puppy, when the cold comes and the noses want to the humer resort for daily prevention and complex treatment of nasal rhinitis 30% in pharmacies traveler bam and save attention total sale from unpacking tv super warm and very comfortable boots alaska style with a discount your ideal solution for the cold season at an incredibly favorable price of only uah 699 perfect

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russia, ukraine, the war, i once said in ukraine that the good old days, the pope would announce a crusade, this is already a bit of an exaggeration, because the crusades were announced for the defense of the territory in which christians lived, which was attacked by islam, after that many bad traits were prescribed to christ, some rightly so, although it must be remembered that the code of chivalry was created thanks to the crusades and europe to some extent defined itself thanks to them, but we will leave that to the stands, i myself am not a historian , er, there are traditions in the vatican tradition, there is a certain trend of post-politics, even my neighbor danila said i

i think she sometimes comes back. but i hope it was just an unfortunate incident and nothing more than an episode of lars von trier. lars von trier, a famous director , recently said some such strange things about the war in ukraine. he even addressed our president zelensky to putin. also to mrs. federiksen, here it is already, your tobyov tea. it was actually when they were discussing giving ukraine f16 that the lives of russians also matter and that they weigh it . there are many people in the west who believe that this

war is in the hands of the united states as we have to react to this kind of thing as a property because it is such a very simplistic opinion, there are such different currents in the western left. i know von trier, he was once my student and probably has great talent, but i would not even really want to ennoble his views because they are very often cheeky and sometimes even scandalous during the festivals in cannes, after which lerus contri had to leave because he said things that are unacceptable in such a discussion where a certain decency is mandatory , not political correctness, but just decency, well, i would not pay attention to it and would not care about the judgments of mr. von trier instead i watched his films with interest. why do you think such views are held by a large number of people and what should we do to make them see where there is evil and where there is good

? it is very difficult to write and in fact such is the role of the media to convey the truth very often not they want to know the truth because it is not convenient for them and i want to console myself with naive ideas about such a peaceful world where everyone will resolve their conflicts through dialogue , instead, the nature of man is different and it is worth reflecting on this nature and thinking about what is inside of us that we are cut off and fanaticism, some kind of militancy, it concerns the whole nature of all living things, but there is a question whether culture can somehow prevent all this, and it already seemed that the european union would be such an example for the world that it is possible to peacefully

solving our various conflicts is not easy, it is in the end some internal small ones, and here it turned out that the time of peace, when there was no war in europe for more than half, already raises questions and it turns out that everything is not as we thought , was the first signal that people do not know how to find an understanding peacefully when you hear such opinions that the states of america are better for us . isn't everything so clear that russia is also difficult for us, what do you answer then because i know that you meet different people at festivals , talk to students what in that case what arguments do you convey to them, you know it is difficult to talk about arguments because it is not generally such a judgment and rational conclusions that arise from some pre-take emotions

from discuss i did not understand from discuss and generally discuss about facts because as they say in decent society gentlemen do not discuss about facts the facts must be verified and unshakable. but it seems to me that this image of such a well-fed society of easy solutions and not to look at the fact that the world is not subject to such easy solutions is that the values ​​that are being defended in this war america, god's right of peoples to national self-determination and so on, these are universal values, we build our hope , and if someone objects to this, how about i deprive us of this hope, which we really need, because we have to dream about something, we have to believe, because when we lose hope, we will be in

in a state of decay, i know that when the full-scale war began , you sheltered as many as six families of refugees from ukraine. why did you do this? why did you once help my brother? why are you helping me now? because you are a very busy person. you have a lot to do. you give lectures, travel the world, shoot films, and here you also find time for our compatriots who are escaping from the war. why, you know , there is nothing heroic here, i was just lucky to have better conditions and there was a place to shelter those people and there was an opportunity to help them a little, you know it was a huge movement in poland, everyone was eager to help, he doesn't even remember a glance if someone refused to help us poles themselves , i remembered when we were in trouble 30 years

ago, when there was martial law and we they helped people from the west, they sent us parcels, they came in cars this moment it came to life, they must have missed it because a person wants to be a good person, it is even more profitable to be kind it is a pleasant feeling it is when we share with someone it is not something that is expensive you just need to find something that does not cause there are also doubts about helping our neighbors, our neighbors have very complicated pages of the past from ukraine. it is very good that today we poles also admit our guilt. we can seek understanding between them when we know that we were not the party that was completely innocent. most of the lands were inhabited by ukrainians, or as it was called then, ruthenians of ukrainians