[000:00:00;00] good evening. we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine. this is a program. my name is serhiy rudenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health . today in the program is corruption in ukraine, is zelenskyi involved in it, and how does it affect relations with the west. threats to blow up nuclear power plants and the terms of negotiations with in ukraine, the statements of the russian dictator at the eastern economic forum disrupted the special operation of the armed forces of ukraine by blocking stalin near the crimea. is elon musk really playing along with russia? meeting with putin, what threat do the agreements of the two dictators pose to ukraine, we will talk

about this and other things today for the next hour with our guest, the politician and diplomat volodymyr mogrysk, but before starting the conversation with mr. ogryzko , i offer our survey for those who are currently watching us on youtube, i offer the following the question of who is responsible for corruption in the government and military administrations , options for answers president zelenskyi , anti-corruption bodies of the sbu and your option please write in the comments why we we are asking this because literally for the last few days in social networks and not only they are discussing a social poll according to which 78% of ukrainians believe that the president of ukraine zelensky is directly responsible for corruption in the government and military administrations , of course, affiliated with the president's office and commentators and sociologists say that the question was formulated incorrectly , so we decided to ask you

, dear friends, those who are currently sitting on youtube, to answer this question. so, today at we are visiting volodymyr hrysko - minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 mr. volodymyr i congratulate you for the sake of seeing you on our air i congratulate you mr. serhiy good health i am also glad to see you thank you for the invitation two volodymyrs we will start our conversation with the draft law on electronic declarations because it turned out to be so dramatic , the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted this bill, but postponed the publication of electronic declarations, the deadline for publication, that is, the publication of electronic declarations was postponed for a year officials and then activists and public activists wrote a petition on the website of the office of the president of ukraine and this draft law with the demand that the publication of these electronic declarations be implemented now so that

the president vetoes these drafts and introduced this point president zelenskyy imposed in the ato a law that maintains restrictions of electronic declaration and this is what the president said, he promised the law adopted by the verkhovna rada in which there were restrictions on electronic declaration, the reason for this leads there, i think everyone perfectly understands that declarations must be opened immediately, not in a year, but already now the registrar must open the property and the main amendment to the law must be voted on, what is interesting is that in january 23rd, the ambassadors of the group of seven and the european union announced that they expected ukraine to approve the anti-corruption program, and later called for the adoption of the law on electronic declaration to restore electronic declaration like mr. volodymyr

, there are similar inaccuracies, or let's say uh, norms uh , which the government approves or does not approve, what about the fight against corruption and about transparency declaration of officials' incomes and property, how do they affect our relations with the civilized world? well , you see, i would start with something else, i started with the fact that there are rats in power , they are in power, and they have not shared anywhere, and they are too big it's a pity. well, if the party actually gives half of the possible votes. well, what are we talking about ? well, as they say, well, everything is clear . what will ukraine be like, what

will it do, how will it live, because even in times of war, they try to steal and steal a lot. well, i don't know your colleagues who are conducting certain investigations. they write about spending millions of dollars on super cars, on regular purchases of real estate, land plots, etc. well, who wants new tens of hectares and cars for millions of hryvnias ? well, who wants to defend their state in the trenches? therefore, it is obvious that they do not want to, i mean these people who dug in not in the trenches, but in the to show the soft seats of the verkhovna rada what is real they fought on and on and it is obvious that they will do it until the end and they, i'm sorry, it's absolutely purple that there

was a group of proverbs written there or sent through diplomatic channels, others they don't react to it, they only react to when angry people come to the parliament and are ready to send them somewhere far away, probably after a russian ship, but then they start to react to it, so the answer is obvious to us, on the one hand, we say that we are ready to start negotiations on joining the european union and join nato for operator, and on the other hand, in our parliament there are the same rats who want nothing but their own enrichment , that is exactly what you are asking about yesterday, mr. volodymyr , the sociology of the democratic initiative fund was made public, and according to this survey, 78% of ukrainians believe that

the president is responsible for corruption in the government and military administrations, after that there were a lot of comments on social networks and in the public space, including from the leader of the servant of the people faction in the verkhovna rada of course, positive bloggers talk about the fact that it is not about the fact that 78% believe that the president is headed by corruption. you probably remember exactly the last 20 years, because there were many politicians who said that sociology shows something wrong. nataliya korolevska once said that the wrong numbers show her block . volodymyr lytvyn talked about the fact that

sociology also shows those numbers, but most of these projects that i mention, which were headed by these politicians, they just flew by in the elections. sociology was accurate . and here again the rebuke to sociologists is how appropriate it is. well, you see, you still have to look for a daughter-in-law who is to blame for everything, so with this daughter-in-law now the sociological service of the fund will be intelligent, although it seems to me that what they have been measuring for many, many years indicates that they really do it with impunity and that it is not manipulation another question is the president personally responsible for corruption in the otut country. i think that this should be treated a little more carefully, because you know, in this case, we will be very similar to what

is happening in the neighboring northeastern territory when the president is responsible for everything from er space flights and failed landings of er space vehicles to sorry , the varieties in the last tree somewhere in the evil moving siberia, that is, i think that here, thank god, we are different. in this respect, er, from er, muscovy because after all, we have uh well at least some kind of distribution of power, some kind of distribution of responsibility, but if the monomajority is responsible for isolation, then please answer the people. why do they think so , it means that the citizens of ukraine see that there are a lot of problems in this area that need to

be solved and we need to respond to this not by looking for excuses and hanging dogs on someone, but by looking in the mirror and understanding that what is needed in this area has not yet been done, and activate the tools that are available for this, thank god they did a lot. so, only this one will be the correct answer, instead of trying the same head of the faction who did not vote for some reason. by the way, for that law that we just talked about. about the opening of the declaration, go away now angrily opposes those who say that ukrainians place the responsibility for this corruption on the party in power and, in principle, on the government. well , volodymyr, i agree with you that mono government provides for immune responsibility, that is,

if you take all the power in country you have also responsible for everything that happens in the country. well, i mean the ruling party , because we have a ruling party and we have a monomajority and a majority in the verkhovna rada of ukraine. well, not like in russia, because there is one emperor, relatively speaking, and some groups by the way, let's go back to the kremlin's grandfather, who was in vladivostok today and made a lot of different statements , some of them we'll try to listen to and comment on now. i understand that putin's comments are stupid, but all we are we are at war with the russian federation, we have to understand what to expect from him from these from the statements he makes there from what he does there because one way or another our

future depends on the actions of this president of the russian federation so let's listen to what putin said about western sanctions here are the people who do it and have done it, but they don't even understand the negative consequences for themselves, in my opinion, they still don't evaluate the ports , however, we see that today they have almost recovered logistic chains eh, put the goods eh, everything was somehow swindled well, we see, this is connected with the temptation of the national currency , including the return, eh, the reduced return was held back, so i will say, the return of foreign exchange earnings. and he also said that russia did not lose from these sanctions, on the contrary, the gold and currency reserves increase. where does he lie and where does he tell the truth? mr. serhiy

, of course, your question is rhetorical because , well, we have ukrainians, such a proverb will inspire. in my opinion, this is the same case uh, which illustrates uh, everything that this guy says, uh, i think that's how you can call a suspect of genocide in relation to ukrainians , because it's no coincidence that the hague criminal court issued him a fine, and because of that, he 's not flying anywhere. by the way look, sergey, our dear viewers, what is the russian active foreign policy , here is the international forum, which was earlier until the 22nd year. well, poor, poor, but foreign guests were coming now. look, putin is scratching

the back of his head . that there is no such thing, not even the same one ir khimchin, who got to some half-station on the border, then he didn't want to go there. well , i guess it's just as well not to fight, by the way, about where putin is now and how he says that russia overcame all the difficulties, well, if it did then damn it to kim jong-il for a bow so that he would not go and ask him for something that should be disposed of, written off and forgotten for a long time , but since everything in them is good, he goes to him and asks for old soviet shells and some equipment, so what do you know how to look for it? well, maybe there is some truth, not to mention the logic in what putin says, well, in my opinion, this is the work of markovich, and although we in our center listen and try to catch some logic, so to speak, well, there really

are no complete fabrications and lies by the way, among the participants of the forum, it seems that the highest official there is the vice president of the country of laos, not even the president of laos, but the vice president of laos , and that's all. that's the level of trust that exists even in those people those who, well, traditionally somehow maintained relations with russia, how does he now feel about all this, so i think that uh , in fact, russia is in a beautiful isolation and god forbid that it only gets stronger, and regarding the fact that

there are holes in the sanctions system, uh, here it is to address our dear western partners who, unfortunately, on the one hand, are doing the right thing and announcing sanctions packages there, the last one was the tenth in my opinion, and on the other hand, it 's not so good, they want to see that these sanctions are actually possible well, if it's not easy, that is at least somehow bypass and do not take the measures that should be taken for this. but it seems to me that if you show them these things and well, so to speak by the way, you mentioned our partners and possible cooperation with the russian federation. spiegel wrote that germany continues to import russian oil through india , supplies have increased more than 12 times, according to un data

, india in turn purchases large volumes series of oil in russia, imports from india were mainly gas gel used for the production of diesel or furnace fuel, analysts explained that india produces this lawn from crude oil, which country buys a large amount of russia at the beginning of the war. i do not know whether this information from spiegel is true that the germans they buy russian oil through india, but this is also a question of our other partners , including the turks, whom the world publications accused of being their tankers are used for transshipment of crude oil and delivery to europe. what can you say about this? i, working in germany, worked very well in the 1990s and studied internal tools, so to speak, and i must

tell you that spiegel magazine - this is not the yellow press, this is a solid uh, a solid publication uh, which triple checks any information before it appears in the uh, columns of this magazine, so uh, i would with a probability of 90 there 5%, i would believe in what the client is writing is not the case when you can write one thing today and say tomorrow well, i'm sorry, we made a mistake, so solid publications in the west do not behave like a spy to them, i repeat once again it belongs so this information can be considered almost one hundred percent and this only shows that uh, unfortunately, uh, germany, which did me about this no no no no no no uh i’m tired of repeating the huge political step away from russia and towards ukraine in uh economic issues continues to be a little bit

blinded if you can put it that way the engine is trying not to see those things that it would be worthwhile to see and find ways to punish those german companies that continue to finance the russian budget through this same india, but here is mr. sergey and good news . the fact is that now the flow of russian oil to india is as fled to the west this flow is beginning to stop why because russia and india decided to trade in national currencies, so now india traded there this oil if you change the rupees to dollars somewhere on

30 billion dollars, but the question is that russia, accumulating these rupees, cannot materialize them by buying something in india, and thus russia itself says no, dear indian friends , enough. there is nowhere to go and in this way india will now receive much less of this oil, if at all it will receive it. so, this oil stream will subside little by little and this will happen in other directions, so this is a pseudo uh, this kind of optimism, which uh- this pseudo-leader of russia emits federations. i think it will quickly go to zero, but it remains. anyway, the topic is how to prevent sanctions and announcements against russia from being implemented

, mr. volodymyr, another big partner in russia is brazil , because according to the latest data, the diesel fuel that is supplied to this country , and in large quantities, just a few days ago , the president of brazil luula da silva, who has been promoting peace initiatives with regard to ukraine with so-called peace initiatives, said that next year there will be a large twenties will take place in brazil. they are waiting for putin and he will receive him with joy and no one will touch him there because he is a friend of brazil , but after two days he said that , well, we have the judiciary, so the judiciary, he withdrew his statement

you see, the warrant of the international criminal court is valid and strong in the south african republic , despite the fact that they are trying to trade and be in contact with moscow. now completely in isolation even erdoğan flew to sochi to visit putin. well, you see, sir, what i think is that the president of brazil mentioned that he himself served a little time and asked that he still has this judicial branch of government in the country that does not obey the president there or anyone another. and i think that this told him that he should not be so scattered with these statements that no one will touch you here because it is not his own authority, he has no right to this , but the judicial system if it works and it still somehow works and by the way it's not only that brazil, er, in many latin american countries, this system still works because, er , in some countries, er, ex-presidents

are jailed like er, as they say, like a chicken, er, it sat er, but it sat correctly and prisons yes that there is a certain tradition in this, er, regarding what to do for putin . and he has nothing to do anymore, because he er, as in the past, the sss was not on the road. explain why because flying over any territory that suddenly wants to land this plane she it can do that, that is, if the country has signed the rome statute and it wants to demonstrate, so to speak, that it fulfills what it signed, it can force even such a plane with this so-

called president the so-called under-empire to land and then act according to the law, that's why he's afraid of that, he's afraid to fly somewhere , even to turkey to his friend well , it's not much eh suddenly something can happen to him, his own life is the highest value on earth eh- that's why he won't do it. that's why he is sends his faithful servant to the minister of the so-called foreign affairs instead of himself , we have seen this in south africa and now in india because he himself will go east m doesn't want to, as he's afraid, so there are no chances here, but now he will

sit surrounded by 2-3 of his sycophants and give out some absolutely er it's true, and people who eat everything will applaud here in the same way one should not expect any sensation, but before the stupid statements regarding those comments and what he commented today in vladivostok , he was talking about ukrainian nuclear power plants, about a possible attack on our nuclear power plant in the context of the fact that they detained some subversive group or pseudo-subversive group on the territory of russia and explained why these saboteurs were on the territory of russia, that they are ready for a certain provocation there, let's listen very briefly to the task they had to damage one of our nuclear power plants, give a gift leagues in salary transfers to scylia will disrupt the operation of the power

plant. this is not the first such demand . moreover, they showed before the question that they were preparing under the guidance of british designers. i generally understand what they are playing or not . on ukrainian er-e on ukrainian atomic objects well, there is a very strange logic here and the impression is that he is simply not full of reason because he combines the incongruous and threatens to hit ukrainian atomic power plants. they've been playing this record for a long time and zaporizhzhia npp and when they didn't go to chornobyl npp where they kept their soldiers in this radioactive e forest eh, how is the world according to you, is the world used to nuclear blackmail because in ukraine it looks like this nuclear blackmail is already

how much he ate what uh it doesn't look like he already looked funny just with his mistakes well he really loves his son ukrainians and the british well there are also americans uh somewhere between us that is, it is love forever that uh that's why he is in sue will remember uh everyone they are afraid because you are right, it is already hard to say, and it is unlikely that it can cause such an unequivocal reaction, but it cannot be neglected in the same way, and western leaders are still holding on as one of the possible last of options

what else could be the reason why all these constant repetitions, well, ask what about what he constantly speaks more truthfully than writes this half-crazy medvedev there and so on, this is a purposeful line to keep going to that and uh, all the time to remind that we are crazy, so i'm sorry, but you have to be careful with us. which is still working, but believe me, i think that these are all things that will end quickly. i'm only the ukrainian armed forces , uh, they will start to break the spine with a crunch, uh , we have russian hydra on uh, ukrainian battlefields, and then uh- everything will

start to change dramatically. but before that, we need to there are positive signals to come, after all, and blinkin’s visit now, the visit of willow, these are all the things that bring us closer to obtaining the weapons that we now desperately need, and thus bring us closer to the moment x after which putin himself will start knocking on all possible western doors and ask for the negotiations to start, believe me, you can already read between the lines, he also talked about the negotiations today, and blinky even mentioned that he recently visited the ukrainian capital, let's hear what putin said about the probability of negotiations with russia with ukraine of the negotiation process if the union states believe that ukraine is ready for negotiations, but let them then

cancel the decree of the president of ukraine that prohibits negotiations, the same decree was issued by the president, he prohibited himself from conducting negotiations, and he tells everyone else that they are ready. this is a decree, as they call it let me start with the first layer, that is, the manipulation of such pure water, this is evidence. well, i also read it, i didn’t watch it, but i read it, well, it means that again, you can see between the lines, they want negotiations, they want sentences, because they, er, sorry, they feel with their skin that a little more and their fronts will start to fall. well, these are obvious things, thanks to er, er, intelligent, er, well, really brilliant tactics of our armed forces, er they are exhausted, they will not have

anything after a certain period of time that will allow them to hold