[000:00:00;00] uh, his views, uh, somehow, from some activity, but uh, this change was quite noticeable , uh, because uh, mainly people moved either from eastern ukraine or in those places where soviet military units were stationed there from it was directly the families of military personnel who began to create such closed communities, if now we would say closed communities that lived their own lives and did not cooperate in any way with the local population . operation vistula well, and also participation in the resettlement of ukrainians from the territory of the podlaskie hill region, there are still others there, where was lemkivshchyna, the podliascha hill region, and this writing , poles and czechs also took part there

. well, of course , the soviet army. the character of the people to clean it up why h-h- does this indicate that the russians did not have other influences to work with the population or they could not work differently with the ukrainians, understanding that their ideas, their ideology, it will not be accepted , let's say it at least in this part of ukraine and leaves in this well and then the second question and the fate of the ukrainians who were resettled. did russia manage to digest them even then? well, i would not single out the ukrainians as some kind of community against which the soviet repressive machine was powerless. such situations existed at that moment in fact in all newly joined territories, such a situation existed in the current baltic states, in lithuania, in estonia, in latvia, the simple question was the number of people involved in the resistance movement, and the number

of people who were ready to take an active resistance of the soviets to the occupation authorities and but if we talk about the fate of the ukrainians who were expelled from this territory, they were actually scattered all over the territory of ukraine. to a certain extent, it worked on the contrary, ukrainian consciousness, ukrainian culture was brought into those regions in those special units of the ukrainian ssr at the time when , let’s say, the soviet authorities considered themselves, without objection, some kind of authority and considered that the soviet government has been established here forever and from time immemorial, but these people began to bring political consciousness as much as ukrainian national identity, and now we can talk about

the fact that in many areas of eastern ukraine, in many areas of southern ukraine, ukrainian culture was preserved just possible thanks to those immigrants who appeared in these regions as a result of the action event. let us now move to the present time, the enemy continues to deport local the population, the abduction of children, and the relocation of entire families to different regions of the russian federation, actually starting from the coast of the pacific ocean there, the sea of ​​japan, and ending with the territories of the northern north and also there siberia. well, here it is closer to the european part of the part of the russian federation, what is the purpose is the enemy now or is he trying to replenish some or fill some gaps in his e-e in his population in these or other territories that this is some kind of mechanical action because we are always so we did it and now we have to do it, or again is it aimed at weakening

the resistance movement in the temporary territories, what is the purpose of carrying out, in fact, a large-scale deportation of the population, please, you know. i would not like to speak for the enemy. what does he think? what is he planning, i will try to analyze it, well, as a historian, as a person who , let's say, was interested in similar processes, in the processes of changing consciousness in the occupied territories , here we can talk about the fact that the russians are solving several problems at the same time, first of all they want to deprive the occupied territories of the population that is capable of resisting it, and secondly, having a population that, in their opinion, is very close to, let's say, the native russians, whom they subconsciously continue to consider as brothers or the reverse population a-a they try to use them for settlement the territories that were most affected by

the demographic crisis of the 90s and now this democratic crisis is reoccurring in them again . i think that it is precisely the combination of these factors that, on the one hand, free the occupied territories territory from the population that lived there for a very long time and they are replacing it with another population - this is one side, and the other situation is that empty territories that were once mastered in soviet times are now trying to re-master them again at the expense of ukrainians or former ukrainian citizens whom they introduce to this territory, you know, it is important to understand. this is how. well, not to win, how to break this, uh, hostile , hostile character. well, russia is our enemy

for centuries, it will soon be a millennium there in 1169, i’m not mistaken, bogolyubske first came to kyiv, that’s already well, soon it will be a thousand years since they came here and it must be said that their actions as empires, they were successful in a certain period of time that they immigrated already today, i spoke with previous guests, not only ukrainians and crimean tatars, and again you said about the baltic countries, uh, chechens, there are different peoples of the caucasus, this is constantly happening , this is resettlement here and there. besides, as long as russia exists, you are afraid of everything one thing, i don't know now whether it will be destroyed completely or not. but while it exists, it will still be engaged in it. what is the most important counteraction to this, and the second question here is , do you know when in this war it will be possible to break the military power of russia and to return the ukrainians home is the first. and the second is that we will return the ukrainians home now. how much work will be done on them and how much work will be done on them and on

their change of their thinking , worldview, ideology, how much will the russian federation work with them now, or did they just ask for it and nobody especially there will be no work in this regard, please. i think that there are several planes here, i will start with the second question, there are several planes of this phenomenon, it is possible, indeed, there are regions where ukrainians will simply resettle with them, no one will work with them, no one will pay attention to the data simply there will be an extra labor or demographic resource and it will be used in the same way, but we russians can see it not only we will say so in military matters, but they are studying in the field of science. they are changing their policy, and i think that working with resettled ukrainians will gradually intensify, we can see this on the example

of ukrainian children who are kidnapped or ukrainian children who are on whose territories it is precisely them that the entire power of the russian propaganda machine is directed from one side, from the other side, all the power of the russian is directed. well, let's name it this is an educational or ideological machine and they are trying to reformat these very people. i think that they will work in the same way with the population that will be taken out of ukrainian lands and that will appear on, let's say, empty russian lands territories they will gradually instill a new identity or will try to awaken the old identity in some of them, let's say, on what is always based putin er also relies on his personal approach to the lost identity the soviet people

, i think that this is precisely the appeal to nostalgic factors, the appeal to his former residence in a single state , it will be directed, let's say, to that part of the population, well, categories, let's say so 45 plus, they will work with her using some nostalgic feelings, and they will work with the youth, already using the ideological mechanisms that operate there in russia, well, relatively speaking, in 2010, this is where the youth army movement and various patriotic measures are the activities of the russian military historical society. that is, there is a lot of forum of influence on the consciousness, what to do with this, in fact, we are entering what is now so fashionable to call there who is not cognitive de-occupation or er work with mentality, that is, when these people will be

to return to ukraine or when we liberate the occupied territories with these people, it will also be necessary to carry out military stabilization measures in the liberated territories. i think that stabilization measures should also be carried out in the field of consciousness in information policy in cultural policy it will be necessary to pay a lot of attention because the russians work with their propaganda to admit that it is very powerful, yes, it may look somehow terrible, it looks unacceptable to us, but it works and the russians will use it you always know that this prokhanov is a man who wanted to burn himself in a tank on khreschatyk well, but he didn't get into the tank, in principle the russian tanks on khreschatyk were only burned prokhanov was not there it 's just that now i will quote him so that we roughly understand the level of their propaganda

you know, this line is the level of such myth-making that some ideologues of this russian world resort to , so i quote, putin is reviving the authors of the factories , he went to beg for forgiveness in nature , the flame licked under his feet, the grass was smoking, he was in the alarm bells under his patronage were deer and moose, river trout and pike and sky swallows and cranes, this is along the golden road, how much is there at all? another world in which they live with their god putin is conditional , so there would be no putin, there may be another god and where are they going? they involve ukrainians, you know, we already saw during this ongoing war how dangerous they can be for ukraine. people who were struck by the russian world with the infection of this russian world took it into their bodies. even living in ukraine and not understanding this, they involuntarily became traitors, after receiving signals from enemy agents, they actually continued with him

, well , they began to cooperate with them. distance through television , which, unfortunately, was also infected by the russian world through show business through bloggers of various kinds, well, that is, not even intrusively, i am already talking about how it works if it is if it is imposed and you know in the question is so interesting to me right now, the ukrainian army is already liberating the territory that was captured 10 years ago . well, in particular, if we are talking about the experienced and there are still a number of settlements, we are either there or near them , and now i am talking about this population, which we will be about this the territory that we are liberating together with people who have actually been under russia for 10 years. so, and in the same way. i believe that the ukrainian army will reach the crimea here . how serious a problem will it be? what part of the people may be ideologically a-a ideologically loyal to the russian peace yes to the so-called because i think that part of the people well, i have such acquaintances in crimea, relatives there, even if the government changes , they will return their passports and live as

they lived. the main thing is that they were paid a pension there or a salary, well, absolutely, but these are people who are loyal this scale is a measure of how hard it is to change their worldview, their mentality, please calculate quantitatively, well, it is quite difficult, but i think it will be approximately within 20-25 hundredths, these will be people who really consciously support this the position is consciously in the paradigm of the russian world. about 50, maybe 60% there. it will be a population that really is, well, let's say so simple in quotation marks, a peaceful population in which it really doesn't matter what power to live in, but let's just say so, and it will be the biggest challenge, because from this population, it is necessary to be , well, let's say, pull out as many people as possible

who can be swayed on the side of ukraine, it does not matter what means will be used for this , cultural, economic or there is something else that will be attractive for this population group and the most important thing is that i think that will support that part of the population, it will also be approximately within the limits of 10-20%, who will deliberately support ukraine, who simply remained in the occupied territory, who, because they could not leave, just as if the population will have to bet on that that these people have lived in these territories for 10 years or more. they know their neighbors . they know the people who were close to them. what do they know about which, let's say, points can be influenced? if you do not make them loyal to ukraine, then make them loyal because the main issue in the liberated territories will not be a question

of loyalty, it will be a question of loyalty. it is interesting that loyalty will be manifested in any form, whether it will not be participation in everything, or whether it will be formal voting in the elections , the main thing is that there is no active phase of resistance . it is necessary to have, let's say, a more or less balanced policy in these territories, the policy of de-occupation, because at the same time it will be necessary to act in the field of education, in the field of culture , in the world of economics and in the world of ecology , even that is, in all these elements, it is necessary to have a clear position, it is necessary

to understand who we use and who will be, let's say, conditionally discarded outside the ukrainian world and we need to understand what to do with them and then actually there will be a clear body , an algorithm with which we need to work because we should forget that there is nothing but our desire of our vision, we will have a rather serious control from our western partners regarding the observance of democratic norms, regarding the observance of cultural norms, regarding the observance of tolerant norms, and you cannot reject everything, although you know when it is remembered from history how they worked with the population of germany after the second world war, well, there was burned nazism in me is shorter than people . of course not, but quite harshly. i think that the idea of ​​the russian world is no less, if not more toxic and murderous than the idea of ​​german nazism

, and it is actually embodied by hitler that's why here. well, of course, you need to be culturally and loyally. but i think that this infection must be killed harshly. i'm not talking about the destruction of people, of course, but you need to see something in us. literally a minute for questions. i 'll ask you very briefly... ukrainians understood and saw in this war that language is important, literature is important, or russians are burning books everywhere here in ukrainian libraries, which bring in their culture, maybe because this was not paid any attention earlier in the 30 years of our independence. well, maybe there is an enemy somewhere was successful, he showed that everything is important, history , culture, literature in our country, by the way, even history was not necessarily a subject . unfortunately, it is possible . a critical mass of ukrainians understood that cultural and historical factors are extremely important in the modern war and

in fact both we and our adversary use them. i think that simply over time they will all occupy a suitable place in of state policy, i thank you very much, mr. vasyl, for joining in. thank you for your comments, specialists vasyl pavlov, head of the expert group on internal communications , directorate of information policy in the field of defense and strategic communications of the ministry of defense of ukraine, was in touch with us. military historian, you know what before this war, before a full-scale war , i mean not before the one that started back in the 14th year, but before this full-scale war. such a weak-minded fool well, there is such a thing, let's not be a sin, as they say, and i always said, you know this empire. well, there was vlad , the kingdom from the first principality, then the kingdom , then the empire, then the soviet union, and so on , but, in principle, it was from the first

passions the moscow kingdom there, novgorod, tver, and then there and kazan, then siberia, it was always an empire according to ours until the 18th century, when it became an empire officially under peter the great romanov, but it was by its nature always an empire that lived under the account of new territories, i always said, you know, you are so frivolous, no one asked themselves why, in fact, during the time of ivan the terrible, even basil the third was still there , and russia as an empire, in fact, it exists, it has experienced many upheavals, troubled times , the capture of the french by the poles , it has survived all of them and continues to live, the empire and now she continues to live like this, to fight with us, she says that she never thought about why she is like that and because she always destroys what she should destroy, forever planting my history, my language, my religion although for them it is conditionally a religion and in order to defeat this empire which will always crawl into every crevice and destroy. and you have to be stronger than

them, and language, literature, culture, history - that's all important without this monster. well, of course, weapons and our army, which would it is impossible to defeat this uh, this poison must be destroyed, but you must have in yourself this antidote to the ukrainian spirit, which manifests itself even now on the battlefield and has always manifested itself in our history . thank you for being with us, magnify this spirit in yourself, strengthen the ukrainian spirit what is possible was to expel what came to us from the northeast. i wish you a good day. we will meet at 6:10 p.m. on veliky eter. now continue to watch espresso and be with us . congratulations. i am asking you to help us find this girl. her name is natalya sanina. she is 14 years old. the girl has disappeared. at the very beginning of the russian

invasion, nothing is known about her. in fact, since february 24, 2022 , natalia lived in the kherson region in the village of malokakhovka, which is now temporarily occupied due to the fact that, for obvious reasons, communication with the occupied territories is complicated and in some places it is completely absent, then it is impossible to find out whether the girl is still in the village of malokakhovka, and it is possible that the residents of this village will see this program on the internet, so i am asking you. if you know any information about natalya sanina, let us know on the hotline 116 000, you can also write to us in the children search service in telegram , please do not remain indifferent. we are also looking for these brothers and sisters, their names are danylo and bohdan, the boy is nine years old, his sister bohdana is 5 years old

and their father is asking for your help in the search. anyone who has seen my children, please contact the child tracing service . we have a police force. and the most important thing is to find out that everything is okay with them, when we talked with my husband, he was very worried, he was not very talkative, but it was felt with such warmth and tenderness that he spoke about his son and daughter, he is kind my father told me that when a full-scale war began, his ex-wife and children ended up in the occupied part of the donetsk region. and the husband himself was in the territory controlled by ukraine for some time. they managed to talk on the phone. the husband was worried, but at least he knew that his children were alive everything is fine with them, but then they stopped contacting each other and until now. unfortunately, it is unknown where they are . danylo and bohdana are officially considered

missing. the children's father is asking a lot you should not remain indifferent and help him in the search for his son and daughter. and we, for our part, ask you to share this video about danilo and bohdan in your social networks, because who knows, maybe your friends or acquaintances will recognize the brother and sister and will be able to tell important details, but especially carefully look into the faces of the children, i ask the residents of the temporarily occupied territories of the donetsk region, where danylo and bohdana actually lived, of course , ukrainian tv is not broadcast in the occupied territories now, but this video is there can be seen on youtube or other social networks, so if you recognize the brother and sister, please contact the hotline of the child tracing service at the short number 116,000. if it is inconvenient or there is no way to call us, you can write to us on the website or in the chat section of the child tracing service in telegram, either please, even the smallest

information is important and, moreover , can be decisive in the search, also look carefully. i am asking you to look into the faces of other children who are currently wanted, please go to the website of the children's search service here photos of all the boys and girls we are trying to find, show us just a minute of your time and maybe you will recognize someone and help find them if you know something about a child who is wanted, don't delay and immediately call our hotline 116,000 calls from all mobile phones operators in ukraine are free, we have created a resource thanks to which you can report any crime against a child in any city at any time, just go to the site and report and we will launch all possible

mechanisms to punish the criminal stopkray.ua congratulations to russia, today it is not a morning drone, but a morning plane in the field, you know, the news is like, well, civilian, but also interesting , a passenger plane made an emergency landing in sochi, omsk, 167 people on board , including 23 children, so it’s a real miracle where the airliner will land was chosen from the air as a result, the field is 180 km from novosibirsk and the personnel from the place can see in the empty central front part of the plane an open emergency exit and inflatable ladders have been

purchased. the point of temporary placement on the field, they fled all the way from the plane , there was no fire, there was only one, god got a little smoke, only one person got up as i read the blood pressure, so let's applaud the pilots, well , we had to applaud putin because this plane, which today made an emergency landing in the field of novosibirsk ural airlines took an operating lease in 2013, but then as a result of sanctions, well , the russians simply took it away. well, before that, it was operated there by two arab airlines, and russia did not return it to the western leasing companies after the start of the war, its owner is an irish leasing company, and this plane has not been serviced since the beginning of the war and does not undergo normal maintenance at all properly. and you can see the result

: the hydraulics failed and it landed somewhere. well, everyone in the field, he could not sit down in principle, and everything goes to that, actually. apparently, this is not the first and not the last plane of such a plan. well, you know , russian propagandists have been very happy for a few days now, the twenties. or rather, those the statements that you spread at this summit , well, it greatly inspired the russian propagandists, now they are inspired not even by open support. the truth and that's why we listen to such news, the declaration is exactly that, the big twenty became a slap in the face to zelensky, they are on the cheek and putin kettavo hotel chancellor piratskaya respublika germania

scholz and together with them the whole collective smell in ukraine, only one item will be sent to you in khmelnyk by twenty people, and even that is politely expressed politely in the current wording , no calls for the withdrawal of russian troops were made, there was no compromise sentence about the un charter, already adopted resolutions, even the usual climate putin could not do for everything prolobirovat discussion of russia was limited to the remark that he would like to see putin's shootings in person. well, maybe he would be happy to see them in person. i don't know if he's in prison or somewhere else something else, but you know, news like this is worth watching in order to understand what not to do, you should not give the russians hope that their behavior is acceptable, because if you give them such hope, then as a result, they

will start to try even harder to do some abomination. well but you see, even this statement of a twenty-something , even she did not inspire or reassure zhuravlyov such a deputy, and he sees tricks all around. yes, well, it seems to me that this is generally some kind of trickery here, this is what they are saying there, that here we are standing, that means there are no shells, there are no people of ukraine, there is nothing at all , let’s negotiate, this is this, this is straight , this is what i see, this is this, this is straight, this is exactly what

trap well, i don't know thanks to the case where they are now a rod, a rod is very hard, well, a rod up to the ears, maybe it's not a trap, but they set only 14 challengers, the abransov promise only an object to one. destroy it and even more and say that tomorrow they have already finished with them only in general, then we will reach kiev on foot in general. well, what can you say, deputies zhuravlyov does not watch russian television and it is better not to listen to what the russian ministry of defense says, that's all well, the real hope for the russians now is north korea, which chronically lacks food and whose population is six times smaller than the russian federation, but the russians only