[000:00:00;00] sil pavlov is with us, the head of the expert group on internal communications of the directorate of information policy in the field of defense and strategic communications of the ministry of defense of ukraine, military historian mr. vasyl, i greet you . good day, after all, i want to give you the first task of the operation, which was decided to start by the decision of the cabinet of ministers ussr on september 10, 1947, and the main goal, in your opinion, is still this practice of deportation and how much did it change the population of the western part of ukraine, did the enemy then achieve its what was his goal, please, if we are talking about the goal of the western action, then everything here is quite simple, the main goal was to deprive the ukrainian insurgent army of its base of resistance, that is, the local population that was in the territory of western ukraine, that lived there permanently, that is, its main masses supported the struggle of the ukrainian

insurgent army, any resistance movement is absolutely impossible without the support of the local population, both morally and purely materially, therefore, the holding of e-e actions , the event was precisely aimed primarily at that in order to deprive the ukrainian insurgent army of this support, and in principle we can say that the main goal of this action has been fulfilled, because already after a year, in fact , the ukrainian insurgent army renounces the organizational forms of the resistance movement and goes directly to the underground struggle well, the goal of the leaders is to destroy the entire units, to destroy the organism that acts against the soviet government, it was achieved , we can also talk about the fact that

the population in western ukraine has partially changed. we cannot say what about that that this change somehow radically changed his preferences, his views, some of his activities, but this change was quite noticeable, because mainly people from eastern ukraine or in those places where soviet military units were stationed moved there from it was directly the families of military personnel who started to create such closed communities, if now we would say closed communities that lived their own lives and did not cooperate in any way with the local population. well

, if we talk about uh, there was still there was the vistula operation well, and also participation in the resettlement of ukrainians from the territory of the podlaskie hill region, there were also other people there, where was lemkivshchyna, the podlaskie hill region, and here is this writing: poles and czechs also took part there . well, of course, the soviet army. and tell me , please, in general, the idea is to change the character of the people, to cleanse them. to what end? does this indicate that the russians did not have other influences to work with the population, or that they and the ukrainians could not work differently , understanding that their ideas, their ideology, it will not be accepted, let's say it at least in this part of ukraine and leaves it in this well, and then the second question is the fate of the ukrainians who were resettled. did russia manage to digest them even then? well, i would not single out the ukrainians as some kind of community against which there was no power . the soviet repressive machine created such situations at that time, in fact, in all the newly joined territories, such a situation

existed, in the current baltic states, in lithuania, in estonia , in latvia, the simple question was the number of the population involved in the resistance movement and the number of the population that was ready to actively resist the soviet occupation authorities, but if we talk about the fate of the ukrainians who were expelled from this territory, they were actually scattered all over the territory of ukraine. in fact, to a certain extent, it worked on the contrary, er, ukrainian consciousness , ukrainian culture was brought to those regions, to those territorial units of the ukrainian ssr at the time when, let's say, the soviet government considered themselves undisputed by some kind of authority and believed that the soviet government was established here forever and from the beginning, but these

people began to bring as much political consciousness as ukrainian national identity and now we can talk about the fact that in many areas e east of ukraine, in many areas of e south of ukraine, ukrainian culture has been preserved as much as possible thanks to those immigrants who appeared in these regions as a result of the event. let us now move on to today's time. continues to deport the local population, abduct children, and send entire families to different regions of the russian federation, well, in fact, starting from the coast of the pacific ocean there, the sea of ​​japan, and ending, well, with the territories of the northern north and also there siberia. well, here it is closer to the european part of the russian part federation, what is the purpose of the enemy now , is he trying to replenish

some or fill some gaps in his e-e in his population in certain territories, that this is some kind of mechanical action because we we have always done it this way and now we have to do it, or is it again a matter of weakening the resistance movement in the territories temporarily, what is the purpose of carrying out, in fact , a large-scale deportation of the population, please you know i would not like to speak for the enemy what does he think, what is he planning, i will try to analyze it, well, as a historian, as a person who , let's say, was interested in similar processes , in the processes of changing consciousness in the occupied territories, here we can talk about the fact that the russians are solving several problems at the same time first of all, they want to deprive the occupied territories of a population that is capable of resisting it, and secondly, having a population that, in their opinion

, is very close to, let’s say, native russians , whom they subconsciously continue to consider as brothers or the reverse population a-a they try use them to populate the territory, which is the most affected by the demographic crisis of the 1990s, and now this democratic crisis is reoccurring in them, i think that it is precisely the combination of these factors that, on the one hand, free the territories are occupied by a population that has lived there for a very long time and is replacing it with another population - this is one side and the other situation is that empty territories that were once mastered during the soviet era are now trying to re-master

the account of ukrainians or former ukrainian citizens whom they introduce to this territory, you know, it is possible to understand. this is how. well, not to win, how to break this, uh, hostile, hostile character . well, russia has been our enemy for centuries, i will soon be a millennium there in 1169 i i'm not mistaken, bogolyubske, the first time i came to kyiv, that's it. well, soon it will be a thousand years since they came here, and it must be said that their actions, like empires, they were successful in a certain period of time. they already resettled today. i spoke with the previous guest only ukrainians and crimean tatars, and again you said about the baltic countries , uh, chechens, there are different peoples of the caucasus, this is constantly happening, this is resettlement here and there. and what is there to oppose to this , again, well, besides, while russia exists i don't know if it will be destroyed for good or not. but as long as it exists, it will do it all the same. what is the most important countermeasure to this? and the second question here is, do you know when in this war

it will be possible to break the power of russia? return the ukrainians home is the first and the second of which we will return the ukrainians home now how much work will be done on them and on theirs to change their thinking , worldview, ideology is it possible to what extent will the russian federation work with them now or are they just sent and no one with them in particular there will be no work in this regard, please. i think that there are several planes here , i will start with the second question, there are several planes of this phenomenon, it is possible, indeed, there are regions where ukrainians will simply resettle with them, no one will work with them, no one will apply, and not in their attention , an extra labor or demographic resource will simply appear there and they will use it in the same way, but we russians can see it, not only will we say so in military matters, but in ideological matters

, they are learning, they will change the policy, and i think that the work with resettled ukrainians will gradually intensify, we can see this on the example of ukrainian children who are abducted or ukrainian children who are in the studied territories, it is on them that all the power of the russian propaganda machine is directed from one side, from the other side, all the power of the russian well let's call it an educational or ideological machine and they are trying to reformat these very people. i think they will work in the same way with the population that will be taken out of the ukrainian lands. will appear in, let's say, empty russian territories, they will gradually be instilled with a new identity or will try to awaken, let's say , the old identity in some of them, on what

putin always relies on, and his approach to the person there is also based on the lost identity единая историческое обечение новой историчкой обечение единый советский народ i think that here exactly this appeal to the nostalgic factors of the appeal to the former residence in a unified state will be directed let's say so to that part the population, well, the categories, let's say 45 plus, a-and they will work with it using some nostalgic feelings a-and they will work with the youth already using the uh-e ideological mechanisms that operate there in russia , well, relatively speaking, since 2010, this is the youth army movement there and various patriotic events there are the activities of the russian military historical society. that is, there are many forms of influence on consciousness , what to do with it, well, in fact, we are entering what

is now so fashionable to call cognitive de-occupation there or, er, work with mentality, that is, when these people will return to ukraine or when we liberate the occupied territories with these people , it will also be necessary to conduct military stabilization measures in the liberated territories. cultural policy and all this will have to be paid a lot of attention, because the russians work with their propaganda, it must be recognized that it is very powerful, yes, it may look somehow terrible, it looks unpleasant for us, but it works and the russians will use it all the time, you know this prokhanov there is a man who wanted to burn himself in a tank on

khreshchatyk well, but he didn't get into the tank, in principle the russian tanks on khreshchatyk were only burned, prokhanov was not there it's just now i'll quote him so that we can roughly understand the level of their propaganda , this is the level of such myth-making that some ideologues of this russian world resort to , so i quote putin is reviving the authors of the factories , he went to beg for his forgiveness , the flame licked under his feet, the grass was smoking, he was in the alarm bells under his patronage were deer and moose, river trout and pike and sky swallows and cranes, this is along the golden road, how much is there at all? another world in which they live with their god putin is conditional , so there would be no putin, there may be another god and where are they going? they involve ukrainians, you know, we don't already, during this ongoing war, we saw how dangerous they can be for ukraine. people who were struck by the russian peace with the infection of the russian measure took it into their bodies.

even living in ukraine and not understanding this, they unwittingly became traitors , they received signals from enemy agents, uh , actually continued to cooperate with them, many people accepted the approach of the russian guys as normal, so that their population points , thinking that this is normal, they came, that is, it worked even at a distance through television, which , unfortunately, was also infected by russian measures through show business through bloggers of various kinds, that is, not even intrusively, i’m not talking about how it works. if it is if it is imposed. you know, i have such an interesting question now, the ukrainian army is already liberating the territory that was captured 10 years ago. well, in particular , if we are talking about opytne, and there are still a number of settlements there, we are either there or near them, and now i am talking about this population, which we will about this territory that we are liberating together with people who have actually been under russia for 10 years, so i also believe that the ukrainian army will reach the crimea here , how serious a problem will it be, what

part of the people may be ideologically a-a ideologically loyal to the russian peace yes to the so-called because i think that part of the people well, i have such acquaintances in crimea, relatives there, even if the government changes, they will return the passport and live as they lived. the main thing is that they are paid a pension there or a salary, well, absolutely, but these are people who are loyal to this russian world, how hard is it to change their worldview, their mentality, please calculate quantitatively, well, it is quite difficult, but i think it will be approximately within 20-25%, it will be people who really consciously support this the position is consciously in paradigm of the russian world. approximately 50, maybe 60%, this will be a population that really is, well, let's say so simple in quotation marks, a peaceful population that really doesn't care about which

power to live, but let's just say it like that and it will be possible the biggest challenge because of this population it is necessary to be well, let's put it this way, pull out as many people as possible who can be swayed to the side of ukraine, it doesn't matter what means will be used for this, cultural, economic, or there is something else that will be attractive to this group of the population, and most importantly, i think that this part of the population will also be supported will be approximately within 10-20% there. who will deliberately support ukraine who simply stayed in the occupied territory because they could not leave, just as if the population will have to make a bet because these people have lived in these territories for 10 years or more they know their neighbors they know people from were close to them so that they know what, let's say, points on which you can influence something, what you can talk about with them

in order to, well, if you don't make them loyal to ukraine, then make them loyal, because the main question on in the liberated territories, it will not be a question of loyalty, it will be a question of loyalty. and this is exactly what i tried and are trying to achieve in any occupied territories. loyalty is not interesting ; loyalty, which will be manifested in any form, will be interesting. it is not time to participate in everything, will it be a formal vote in the elections, the main thing is that there should not be an active phase of resistance, and just like ukraine, when it comes to liberate the territory, there is no well, it is necessary to have, shall we say, a more or less balanced policy in these territories

policy of de-occupation, because it will be necessary to act simultaneously in the field of education, in the field of culture, in the world of economics and in the world of ecology , even that is, in all these elements , it is necessary to have a clear position, it is necessary to understand who we are using. the boundaries of the ukrainian world and it is necessary to understand what to do with them, and then actually the algorithm with which to work will be a clear organ. partners regarding the observance of democratic norms regarding the observance of cultural norms regarding the observance of tolerant norms and you can’t turn away, although you know when you remember from history how they worked with the population of germany after the second world war, well, there was burned

nazism, i have shorter people, someone of course not , but quite harshly i think that the idea of ​​the russian peace is no less, if not more toxic and murderous than the idea of ​​german nazism, and is the actual embodiment of what was implemented by hitler, so here , of course, it must be culturally and loyally but i i think that after all, this infection must be killed harshly. i am not talking about the destruction of people, of course, but we need to take care of something in us , just a minute for a question. literature or russians burn books everywhere here in ukrainian libraries that bring in their own culture and maybe because it was not paid any attention earlier in the 30 years of our independence well maybe somewhere the enemy was successful he showed it everything matters history, culture, literature in our country, by the way, even history was not necessarily a subject. unfortunately, it is possible that this will change our understanding and attitude to this, please, if possible

briefly. i think that, in fact, we can see that a critical mass of ukrainians really understood that cultural and historical factors they are extremely important in modern warfare and in fact we and our adversary use them. i think that simply over time they will all occupy an appropriate place in state politics. thank you very much, vasyl thank you for your comments, specialists vasyl pavlov , head of the expert group on internal communications , directorate of information policy in the field of defense and strategic communications of the ministry of defense of ukraine, was in touch with us. i am not referring to the one that started back in 14th year, but to this full-scale one

. i have always discussed with friends and acquaintances, and this was some kind of indo-russian assessment. let's not say it's a sin, and i always said you know this empire. well, there was vlad, the kingdom from the first principality , then the kingdom, then the empire, then the soviet union, and so on , but well, in principle, it was from the first conquests of the moscow kingdom there, novgorod , tver, and already further there and kazan there, then siberia, it was always an empire in its own way until the 18th century, when it officially became an empire under peter the great romanov, but by its nature it was always an empire that lived at the expense of new territories, i always said, you know you are so frivolous, no one has ever wondered why, in fact, during the time of ivan the terrible, there is even basil the third , and russia as an empire actually exists, it has experienced many upheavals, the troubled times of the capture of the french by the poles , has survived them all and continues to live. the empire and now continues to live like this, conquering

we say we have never thought about why she is like that, but because she always destroys what she is supposed to destroy. defeat this empire, which will always crawl into every crevice and destroy. and you have to be stronger than them, and language, literature, culture, history - this is all important without this monster. well , of course, weapons and our army that fights with him cannot defeat this uh this poison must be destroyed, but one must have in oneself this antidote to the ukrainian spirit, which manifests itself even now on the battlefield and has always manifested itself in our history. from of the northeast, i wish you a good day, we will meet at 18:10 on veliky eter. now continue watching espresso and you will be with us

. congratulations. i am asking you to help us find this girl, her name is natalya sanina, she is 14 years old, the girl disappeared at the very beginning of the russian invasion, nothing about her it is not known exactly since february 24 , 22, natalia lived in the kherson region in the village of malokakhovka, which is now temporarily occupied due to the fact that, for obvious reasons, communication with the occupied territories is complicated and in some places completely absent, so find out about whether the girl is still in the village of molokakhovka is not possible, and it is possible that this program will be seen on the internet by the residents of this village, so i am asking you. if you know any information about natalya sanina, please contact us on the hotline 116 000. you can also write to the child tracing service in telegram . please do not remain indifferent . we are also looking for this brother and

sister, their names are danylo and bohdan , the boy is nine years old, his sister bohdana is 5 years old, and their father is asking for your help in the search, please, who saw i ask my children to contact the child tracing service and the national police early in the morning, god has done to you because i miss my children very much, i want to see them all, mr. mykola now more than anything in the world wants to see his children again and most importantly to find out that everything is okay with them when we talked with my husband he was very worried, he was of few words, but it was felt with such warmth and tenderness that he spoke about his son and daughter, they will do well. well, they love kindness, are respected as themselves. war, his ex-wife and children ended up in the occupied part of the donetsk region. and the husband himself was in the territory controlled by ukraine. for some time, they managed to talk on the phone. the husband was worried, but at least he knew

that his children were alive and that everything was fine with them, but then they stopped contacting still in touch. unfortunately, it is unknown where they are. danylo and bohdana are officially considered missing. the father of the children asks you not to remain indifferent and help him in the search for his son and daughter. and we, for our part, we ask you to share this video about danylo and bohdana on your social networks, because who knows, maybe your friends or acquaintances will recognize the brother and sister and be able to tell important details, but i ask the residents of the temporarily occupied territories of the donetsk region, where danylo and bohdan, of course, is currently not broadcast on ukrainian tv in the occupied territories, but this video can be seen there on youtube or other social networks, so if you recognize the brother and

sister, please let us know the line of the child tracing service with the short number 116 000, if it is inconvenient or there is no way to call us, you can write to us on the website or in the chat box of the child tracing service in telegram, please, even the smallest information is important and, moreover, can be decisive in the search, also look carefully i ask in the face of you and other children who are currently wanted, please go to the website of the child tracing service, there are photos of all the boys and girls we are trying to find, show us just a minute of your time and maybe you are someone identify and help find if you know something about a child who is wanted, do not delay and immediately call our hotline 116,000 calls from all mobile operators in ukraine are free, we have created a resource thanks to which you can report any crime against a child at any time

-any city at any time, just go to the site and report and we will launch all possible mechanisms for punishing the criminal stopkramy.ua , i congratulate you, olga lents, chronicles of the hostilities and let's immediately go to our map of the hostilities for the last days, then we will to talk about what happened in recent days map of combat operations for the period from september 6 to 12 the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine expanded on the southern front, despite the russians' attempt to counterattack, they are retreating in several areas of the front, not only in the area of ​​the counteroffensive , but also near donetsk and in the black sea battle for crimea and the black sea sea, the latest events prove that the western coast of crimea and the black sea waters

near it have become defenseless against the assault actions of the armed forces of ukraine after landing the amphibious assault at tarkhankut, our scouts carried out another risky operation and returned under ukrainian control of four oil production platforms, the so-called boyka towers in this platform were occupied as early as 2015 and during this time turned into russian military intelligence bases ukraine has been controlling the waters in this water area since the summer of last year , and the russians do not dare to send vasyl beh here after the sinking of the ship ships now, after the occupiers lost these observation points, the most extreme of which is located less than 60 km from the peninsula where the occupation of crimea is becoming even closer. and the grain corridor organized by ukraine is safer. moreover, from september 11 to 15, in the mouth of the danube and in the area of ​​constanta, in order to ensure the safety of civilian shipping

, the breeze 20-23 military exercises began, in which ukrainian ships from romania , bulgaria, great britain, france and turkey will take part, despite the declared purpose of mine clearance training in of reality, the presence of such a fleet in the immediate vicinity of izmail will stop the terrorist activities of the russians aimed at destroying this port and stopping the export of our grain by sea novoprokopivka verbove zaporizhzhya front in the melitopol direction, during the week, the armed forces of ukraine continued to expand their wedge between the first and second lines of the russian defense in the area of ​​novoprokopivka and vervogo. despite the cutting of the field road between these villages and even more advances on the northern outskirts of novoprokopivka from the western outskirts of vervovo , the defense forces did not manage to gain a foothold due to the counterattacks of the occupiers. at the dominant height of 166 m, the fighting for which is still ongoing , our soldiers also managed to advance

several hundred meters along the road to the birth in the area the village of novoprokopivka, but here the gas station of the russian federation managed to counterattack and repulse part of the positions, despite the fact that the enemy is gathering reserves in the area of ​​​​the village of kopani for an attack on works not exactly in this area. donetsk until the advance of the armed forces on the side of mlynivka stopped, because on its flanks , on the left flank of the armed forces in the area around donetsk and novomayorsk, our counteroffensive was activated a few weeks ago, but the other day the defense forces achieved significant success here, in particular. our heroes crossed the shaitanka river and not only entrenched themselves on the opposite side of it, but also expanded the bridgehead - having occupied the northern part of novomajorsk, now the fighting continues for the rest of the village, the informational silence on the part of the enemy