[000:00:00;00] a cat with water if there are a lot of holes in this tub through which this water pours out. well, that's why we really return to the previous question about the struggle with those people and those schemes that allow individual characters, even in war conditions , to acquire quite a few pockets. you see, the point is really here what to talk about eh i hope we will have such an opportunity to continue this topic valentina smoothych political scientist thank you for joining our company so late lancet and orlan these drones are a big threat to ukrainian defenders on the front lines about it

said the commander of the terra unit as part of the third separate assault brigade, mykola volokhov, how our soldiers are resisting russian attacks from the sky. the head of the main intelligence and cyber security department of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, ivan pavlenko, would like to do so. in an interview with ukrainian pravda, he told that in some areas of the front, the air is simultaneously there are 250-300 drones each, and we are talking about this number in the context of ukrainian and russian. and how it happens in reality , but on the battlefield, a very large number of names. to be honest, although, again , it is difficult for me to understand the picture in general, it can be attention in general to all stretches of the front, there is such a number of carriers of the length of the front at the same time, it is possible if we talk about some locations, separate uh, well , look, we often see enemy drones optically in their bezcylopia, so uh, it happened

even cases of air accidents involving drones together, well, they collided together with our drones, yes, this speaks of the high saturation of collisions with unmanned operations, enemy drones with drones with ramming methods. so when a cheaper one crashes a more expensive one, and somehow this happens and why does it happen because -e modern war well, it is probably the most modern that is used a-a modern means of impression means of intelligence and unmanned complexes yes air and unmanned complexes they are now more widespread well ground there are fewer unmanned systems, but they are also found. this is the foundation on which the intelligence of obtaining information is based , and in the modern world and in modern war, whoever has the information is the one who wins

. tell me, please. are used at the front, and at the end of the summer their propagandists talked about the fact that they are mass- producing new drones inside the country. missiles are actually on the front line this is confirmed here are their latest drones they have some new unique developments that have appeared over the last year and a half what can you say about this and about the training of their pilots about the training of their pilots let 's start from the other end so uh you know there is such a phenomenon when you use analog, that is, this connection can be seen by anyone, that is why sometimes such situations occur that you can connect to the video channel, e

. fulfills its combat mission, and i often observe it when i look. of course, their pilots are much less trained than ours. if we talk about this part, maybe he is less motivated , what will he understand ? the lancet, yes, there are halls that adjust the lancets and the nirvanas, yes, this is really a problem, even though they already have it for a long time, yes, the parliament has been around for a long time, but they are enough, you know, a base that is easy to modify, and there will be all kinds of other things , but nothing like that is new, to be honest i haven't met them, i guess they are talking about the fact that they have collected several hundred drones there, well, again, what does this mean, they bought spare parts in china, they just gathered to talk about some high-tech things there, that they call them by different scary

names, eh and they say that these are some special super secret developments of theirs. well, russia has always talked about it, you want to know , it is like an insect in nature that wants to appear very toxic, poisonous, dangerous, although it is not actually toxic, but it is not so dangerous that it wants to appear very scary, that's why all the pages are told, in fact, we don't see anything like this, well, these are drones assembled from chinese components. i can see the number, we can see there are certain areas of the front where they have not started to work like that. if we talk about uh dj, what tracks, tracks, and

matrices does it have, then it is a little more difficult to monitor here , because the russians probably know, i guess they understood that there are tools. they are the same. who understands what we are talking about, someone will understand by the definition of these drones in the end, that is, that they should take some measures so that they are not visible. therefore , now it is more difficult to say how much you asked me in the city three years ago, i could tell you i would like to say exactly how much there is now, mom, which russians have air, yes, how much was there? well, i should have been more precise about the slavic language, uh, hp from childbirth appeared, it's very unpleasant, it's very bad , uh, they clearly have some development in this direction, but they much much less than this is what the poles are telling us about, according to official reports at the front, the trend is that the defense forces are having success under bakhmut

, avdiyivka and in the zaporizhzhia direction , does this indicate that the enemy lacks resources for the simultaneous defense of all areas where ukrainian fighters are now conducting offensive actions, you know, this indicates about what we are getting, it shows that now we are stronger, that we are more adapted, that we have adapted, and what we are doing is war, in general. it is a very complex construction of it in general, so it is very difficult to understand what is happening yes, but what we are doing gives us the opportunity to achieve results, we now mean they are better, but what does this consist of, yes, or is it the fact that they do not have enough resources, well, look, the russians already have a lot of resources, we all know that, yes , they have more people there, more there are more tanks, the territory of their state is more money and everything is supposedly more

ah-ah, but it also turns out that we are moving forward and they are retreating, most likely they simply do not know how to use this resource correctly because they are not adapted to what we are doing now and the gallantry of stupid tactics, you know it's simple there to use a hundred times the amount of ammunition there, to drive 10 times the number of machine tools, yes, in such a classic way, as they are used to throwing meat, throwing iron, yes, steel, yes, they certainly do not have enough, if you say the location at the beginning of july, you made an assumption that if the ukrainian military continues to advance successfully in the direction of bakhmut, then the city will be liberated , do you remain optimistic about this and do you, well, this is a thankless task, of course

, but the time frame ah, look at the time frame well here it is probably better to go to a fortune teller so as to accurately determine ah, it is difficult to say. and you know why it is difficult because, er, you cannot conduct such er, you know a direct correlation, you cannot say that if there was a day, we will release 10 m. we are liberating 100 m of ukrainian land in a week, that means 400 m, yes, well, deep advancement , you know, in a year and so on, but the war is being fought a little bit differently four out of five yes and then suddenly, just like a magic wand, although it was not a magic wand. it was the result of our work, and once the russians fled to the other side of the dnieper, and we advanced, well , not by a kilometer, and by 5 and not by 10, it was in

kharkiv itself in general, no one paid any attention to that kharkiv, it was quiet, calm, and here once and such a huge advance, the same with this direction, it will not be so, as it will not be linear, you will not be so that uh, we moved , we moved like this, meter by meter along 20 years have passed since the meter and here is our bakhmut it will be as follows, here's what i can predict, it will be a jerk, when this jerk will happen and how, exactly, where, to whom, with what forces , i don't know. and how will it be a surprise, mr. mykola? yes, i didn't tell you before, you will know, you will count for everyone , but you know for sure that it will happen ah, i don't know what they will give for the new year, yes, but i'm sure that they will give something and i know for sure that they will be the same from this situation, i don't know where and how. and you know that i'm keeping it, not even faith, but i'm sure that our bakhmut will be

released oh, the occupied territories, sir mykola thank you let's leave on this note and we will end our conversation with you mykola volokhov call sign far the commander of the terra unit as part of the third separate assault brigade you were with us reviewing all the decisions of the vlk digitization and whether it is possible to prove the purchase of the diagnosis according to which they were removed from the military record about all this our colleagues spoke with gennadiy dubov, candidate of legal sciences, we continue our broadcast with a conversation with gennadiy dubov , candidate of legal sciences, with us on a direct link mr. gennadiy, we congratulate you on the scandals surrounding the military medical commissions to talk to you because we receive a lot of news in this direction, despite the fact that it would seem that the ukrainian authorities have resolutely and loudly publicly declared a war on corruption in this direction, and even the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky signed a decree on the review of all decisions of military medical commissions from february 24

2022, why do you think they don't stop stealing , they don't stop issuing pseudo certificates in the military medical commission in ukraine , even despite what i said? well, the point is that in any corrupt there is certain inertia during the process, and we understand that no one wants to evade military service, including because of an improper benefit , there is no possibility to ask at the window where there are price lists, etc. that is, it is a rather complex system of intermediaries, a complex system of personal connections and the process takes a certain amount of time, and actually making a diagnosis or issuing documents on removal from military registration is , so to speak, the icing on the cake, as it is preceded by a lot of other actions and a number of processes were definitely launched regarding how we

took a decisive step to fight against these shameful practices. first of all, secondly, one way or another, it is necessary to understand that military medical commissions are, oddly enough, made up of doctors, and from a legal point of view, doctors are often involved in such a process, they are used to what exists a certain circular guarantee , that is, the doctor can be caught red-handed, conditionally speaking, the doctor mostly, that is, if we are talking about filling out medical documentation , making diagnoses, and so on, all of this in the end must pass a conditional medical other an examination and other doctors must establish that a certain wrongful act has taken place, therefore, usually in any legal process, the doctors are identical. this is a point of complication . we see today, as a rule, the successful work of our law enforcement agencies, which are holding hands not in terms of medical diagnoses, but in terms of receiving funds through the statements of victims and so on, that is, here, if there is a direct fact of receiving illegal benefits, law enforcement agencies can work

to document and prosecute, but again, mostly we do not have a situation where the applicant from whom the funds are demanded comes directly and writes a statement to the law authorities, therefore such crimes have a high degree of concealment or , as lawyers say, latency that we can return people from abroad who received these pseudo-refusals, so about recognition they are unfit for service, in your opinion, what should be the responsibility for these people who gave a bribe , left the country, and now the issue of their possible return is being resolved. that's what it's called the provision of illegal benefits, the problem here is that in such cases the standard of proof is very high

, that is, by and large, it is necessary to really catch the hand at the time of the transfer of funds, because if this does not happen, for example, we see that a person is abroad, we see that there is obviously a fake diagnosis, we we see that there is evidence even that it is possible. she did not personally go to the military medical commission for certification , although in fact they go in person. how can it be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that such a bribe took place even if a conditional doctor of ideas. the truth of the service is derived from one another because if you do not prove that there was an unlawful benefit and, accordingly, such documents that occurred as a result of its provision . thus, the notice is fake, then there is no reason to say evasion because if we proceed from the fact that the document is valid, then there is no evasion, because the person was removed from the military register and she left because of that, it

is actually a very complicated process of proof . left the territory of ukraine in order to properly raise suspicions. it is absolutely insufficient because we have a serious standard of proof and we have a presumption of innocence and today it is enshrined in our constitution and proceed through it. if we were not internally convinced, we cannot mr. gennadiy and the ministry of health believes that an effective fight against corruption in this direction can be the digitalization of the work of the vlk, and the newly appointed minister of defense of ukraine, mr. rustem, said the same in the mayor's office about the fact that the digitalization of all processes and a single register of conscripts should make any corruption risks impossible or the same . are you sure about this method of fighting corruption? well, you know make it impossible, i think it’s a completely wrong word, it’s possible to talk about

minimization because something makes humanity impossible so far well, almost nothing i can’t, unfortunately, and experience , for example, managing serious digital technologies, for example, i don’t know the real estate registry there, or the management of the real estate registry and changes in the registration of the transfer of conditional ownership of apartments, it is partially or there, perhaps, to reduce corruption by an order of magnitude, you are the bureau of technical inventory, which actually did a lot of this there, but they introduced the register, everything became open and transparent, and there was no need at all to go there. registers gave birth to another kind of corruption and manipulation of state registrars, which often also extends to the responsibility of one apartment in the registers being re-registered by the same people in

other countries , this kind of thing really happens and it is not unique to ukraine, we understand that their digital systems are there. the disappearance of corruption only due to the presence of digital technologies, i think that is not possible, but all experience really shows that such a phenomenon is minimized, will it be the case with medical commissions, the question is because you understand, if we had some kind of miraculous device like an mri . where you put a person and the machine gave you completely truthful information about health. then we could talk about such possibilities. analyzes and other information about each specific person, there will definitely be a human factor here and there will be an opportunity for yes well, but if we are talking about disability for example

, then we must develop clear criteria for that according to which suitability or unsuitability for military service should be determined. and the disability itself, if such a person also got it, that is, the field for human error or the human factor in general is not so large , right. well, you know me. i have a friend who is a doctor. there is a common joke that medicine is a couple of positions lower in accuracy than palmistry, so they joke among themselves and medicine is really quite imprecise science, it is actually subject to the influence of various evaluation judgments, clear criteria for disability seem to exist even today, but many what can be evaluated one by one can be different, that's why the last one, for example, the order of the ministry of defense excluded a number of five or six cases where dynamo can be evaluated differently, but in fact there are quite a lot of such cases, including the presence or absence of an illness, the degree of an illness it is not actually accounted for by such clear

, single-digit indicators, and in connection with this , there are still gaps for someone to go and manipulate ordinary humanity - this is not a problem of ukraine and ukrainian corruption - it is the problem of the development of medicine within the limits of all humanity. thank you for your comments and for being with us. candidate of law gennady dubov was a guest on our broadcast. well, we continue to communicate with our guests . the leading researcher of nau valery romanenko says that 's when they will strengthen our air defense system, but when they appear on the line of contact, we will hear further and talk to valery romanenko aviation export leading a scientist, an employee of nau is in touch with us, we welcome you, mr. valery, and i congratulate you about the fighter jet in 16. i would like to talk to you

in more detail, because the wall street journal writes that ukraine will be able to use these fighter jets already this winter. well, it is already appearing information, in particular, from the director of the air force of the us national guard, lieutenant general michael loyaki, says that the first group of ukrainian e-e pilots can be trained on these fighters before the winter , but still immediately engage in aerial combat on these planes. they will not be able to, because yet it will be necessary to return to europe and undergo nato training valeriy what is your generally possible forecast for when it will be possible to see these fighters in the ukrainian sky , my forecast has changed somewhere from june to july of last year to half a year for pilot training for the simplest combat tasks , that is, for anti-aircraft defense, which

will include the destruction of shaheds and russian cruise missiles, the prevention of russian fighter jets entering the territory controlled by ukrainian forces, and the destruction of enemy attack helicopters and of attack aircraft on the line of battle so that they do not attack our advancing troops, this will be the minimum task that our pilots will be able to master in six months and indeed the first first groups we will receive, they will be small. personnel and since the training actually started in september, yes, that's four months of the current year plus two months of the next year somewhere at the beginning of march. i think that these planes will already fly in our skies and perform combat

missions as far as i can influence the situation at the same time, we are expecting a decision from sweden this week about e -e gripens, which also about a squadron and a half can be transferred to ukraine as a whole, as well, at least one of the squadrons, let's start with this, affects the situation in the ukrainian skies, as you understand, it has a negligible effect but er, for example, it will allow us to either unload our er, zenith, our anti-aircraft missile forces, yes , that is, a fighter. it is more effective in destroying cruise missiles and shaheds. and this is the main threat to the heating let’s say this period or another option - the fighters in this squadron go to support our advancing whiskeys if at that time it is march

, as i said next year, if there will be an offensive , this whole squadron will be in full force, but not at one airfield, and at least on three airfields without a quadrille - that's 12 planes and they can easily be divided into three groups of four planes each, but otherwise the russians will try to destroy them at one airfield , and it will be difficult for them to do so, because the planes are dispersed and cover at least a dozen reinforced concrete ones at each airfield these front airfields are also covered, they are generally covered by means of anti-aircraft well, the plane itself is there by itself a means of anti-missile anti-aircraft defense. so when it is in the sky, and if we talk about gripens , there are many similarities with the f16, but there are differences as far as these planes are concerned, it is clear that we have taken everything that is given to us now, but what are the main differences between the f-16 and the gripen

and their role, if one is part of one and a half of the caterpillars? i hope we won't even ask for it otherwise, we simply will not provide logistics. aviation logistics is an order of magnitude more difficult than armored or artillery. well, there is also an order of magnitude more. the number of specialists is required for provisioning, but let’s return to the f16 uah in terms of combat capabilities. these aircraft are approximately equivalent to the grimm. it is a little cheaper. a little less weapons, a little easier to operate ah-ah, but why don't we have the flu, and the flu will not become our main fighter, and the f16

is planned for this position, that is, the main our fighter, as it was now, mig e-e 29 is less stronger, the main one is being destroyed. yes, its place is now e-e in the armed forces of ukraine is occupied by the f16. and gripentsev we have plan b, for example , the gripen is standard in its standard composition of weapons, the range of weapons bypasses the veil missiles as much as possible three months for the transition from type to type as in the american air force, but this is, well, such an intensive plan , the americans believe that those who piloted , for example, f18, after 3 months can safely participate in battles on the f16 fighter similarly for yes similarly, we fasten the f16, that is, if necessary, pilots from one and the same type of aircraft will be able to switch to another type after three months, two months, even there , it speaks well of our preparation for

the heating season and the preparation of the russians , obviously a strange situation is emerging, on the one hand, the air defense system in ukraine has strengthened , but the energy system is no longer in the same state as it was last year. so, what can be conditionally said that the situation has actually not changed much for us this year, or has it? positive changes. what do you think? i can't talk about the energy system. well, it's usually the case. what i hear from the media is that things aren't the best. although it 's actively preparing now, it means everything that can be reserved and everything that can be defended in terms of air defense is being protected. compared to last year, it has been significantly strengthened, but it has been strengthened as a defense against cruise missiles and martyrs. unfortunately, the number of anti-aircraft missile systems

capable of knocking down our ballistics. one by itself, by the end of the year, one more sample of this, of course, it is not enough to protect and protect the main infrastructure objects, so eh, so, well, we will receive complexes from germany, we should receive a fairly significant number of complexes by the end of the year , and our air defense in the plan to destroy the shaheds and i will repeat once again that cruise missiles are not comparable to last year, they are much stronger and have much more opportunities , of course, thank you for the clarification valery romanenko expert leading researcher of the national academy of sciences of ukraine has just joined our broadcast third nights in kyiv news time on the tv channel i am glad for the national osenko plan marathon in front of you thank you colleagues our team is ready to share with the audience the latest news for

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