[000:00:00;00] dollars or something like that, but i'm definitely not an expert here , i don't know the price for sure, so i'm not ready to talk about it right now, this is the first moment , the second moment, this person knows a lot, he is a certain treasure trove of information who can tell what, how, how we were preparing to become a real witness in including later in the evidence base, that's why we have to understand that this motivation is different. and why just give up because well, i don't know, and you'll have peace on earth , well, it's not motivation, so they really have to understand what will happen to their families, you know what this pilot was also transported to a safe place and his mother was also a task, let's say so. it was agreed with our special services, so in fact i consider that this motivation is absolutely correct. and it's very good that we show it completely publicly because there are those who do not want to fight there is only, but they just go to the big account to do it because they don’t understand what i can do, because again it’s about motivation

, he has to somehow socialize here, but again i ’m not sure that this is exactly what we’re talking about -is obtaining citizenship. but again, this is a question. i understand that it is debatable, i understand that there are always many pros and cons, but very often we have to choose not between good and bad, but a little with nuances, so there are definitely more positives than this negative , so i am definitely in favor of such special operations and i'm in favor of er such er operations becoming precedents in the future, it's actually about whether he will become president or whether similar stories are repeated or will we see them, let's ask vladislav, vladislav so please rate the tit and yours and will we really see similar examples in the future that this is the first swallow, the first tit that will become a swallow, we will see that this is the first tit, we may not be everything, just me, everything is being told yes, but in public, this is the first

similar story, colleague, by the way, good that this is not the first story, it was, as it were, the case of the transfer of a tank by russian servicemen. therefore, this is definitely not the first story, that this informational one is more true. this story is very informatively highlighted. it is obvious. a helicopter of the ukrainian army, which costs at least 8 million dollars, is a wonderful story. moreover, we actually lack helicopter equipment, in particular, and here we must understand that ukrainian intelligence works systematically and persistently. temporarily occupied territories of our country, as well as directly on the territory of the russian federation, are those balloons that happen from time to time on objects of railway infrastructure, on important industrial objects that are related to they happen not because someone there violates the rules of the production process or safety techniques

, but because you are persistently preparing for the implementation of these plans, the ultimate goal of which is to weaken the combat potential of putin to the maximum extent. i think that there will be more in the future or will there be any only about helicopters , i think that no, there may be different options, but the fact is that the ukrainian guards, as well as other representatives of the country's defense forces , are working hard on this case. it is obvious , mr. vladyslava. do you know how names are chosen for special operations? it seems that there are some creative india , but directly the organizers of these operations choose the names. for example , there are no specifics related to what it has. i have not heard of such a thing, it is known that most likely it is the initiative of the direct organizers

and executors of one or another event, as far as it is a symptom, let's say what we see. well, this is not the first russian military to come to the side of ukraine, and these are isolated cases so far however, to what extent can the internal political processes in the russian federation be connected with the prolongation of this war? well, it has been going on for a year and a half, and with the fact that , on the basis of these factors, we can really draw the conclusion that the number of people who will cross over may increase. at the very least, you can look here, just here is an important point about which i would like to say, i will remind you again about the operation that took place with the tank, if you remember, then you just decided that this is probably a very private story about it wrote, but no, we didn't know the name of the driver, or what is the correct name of the driver of the tank, i don't know how it is correctly called

the crew, according to the tank's main account, we didn't know , and that's why it's possible it didn't have such a resonance, so i think that this is a brilliant operation on the part of our intelligence agency and that they are giving him publicity so to speak. i think this is the right move because this move, well, i would say so, will have further information leaks on the territory of the russian federation at the factories that read, including the fact that uh, you understand that there are information companies , there are different methods of how to push this or that information of enemy tours, and one of these uh is one of these possible options these are primarily telegram channels that are not blocked and many other things , i can’t tell you about it in more detail there, but the fact itself remains a fact, therefore, in fact, this precedent is important that a person is sitting in free kyiv there, i don’t know, without handcuffs, without

nothing, but his family was taken to safety, this was emphasized. he receives a monetary reward, well, if and then everything will be okay with the person, in principle, so it is important to emphasize. just after such moments, there may be precedents, they will really continue to increase because, again, we know about precedents when they simply surrender to captivity , but very often this happens precisely when, you know, i would say so , they have no other choice, and this is exactly the precedent when it was deliberately prepared in advance , a prepared route, prepared others moments, the family was taken out, and in fact, this is a very good precedent that can work in the future, who knows . by the way, if you notice, when they talked about this operation, they talked consecutively. what happened to the driver, how was he ? how will he continue in oles, communication is by and large given such a step-by-step instruction for further precedents, i really hope, after all, that there are many there are indeed many who do not agree with this war, it is not

understood that they are fighting but nevertheless , they do not understand that i to do so in fact, i very much hope that this will become a good precedent and we will get uh , because in fact this is the moment, it has several factors. to tell a pilot what kind of pilot it is, i don’t want to insult some professions now, but a pilot is not six months of training. that is, it is not so easy to replace either. we took a pilot with great experience and great, what is important, a blow to psychological information, mr. rostislav . thank you very much, rostislav smirnov, political an expert adviser to the minister of internal affairs was with us in 2022. thank you very much, vladyslav, actually continuing this conversation , is it really the information that this

pilot possesses that can be extremely useful for our defense forces for our intelligence and in what way can he be known of course, first of all, the training of any pilot takes years and years, and when a professional ace of this kind is trained - it is still necessary for those er years of training in universities and after er acquiring the appropriate capabilities in combat units where even the pilots themselves serve in the future. that is, it is a lot of years, not training. and all these resources are temporary , appropriate resources, and logistical - that is, every pilot prepares for a long time, and this pilot is cut and in the system control in the communications system and in the recognition system of the world of strangers, that is, the mi-8 reached us, and it is a modernized version that is quite powerful

and modern, and for the same, we received a specialist pilot who knows let's say yes it is just as important in the internal kitchen of the combat units of the russian occupation army. of course, certain codes will change in russia now, including e-e recognition, because receiving e-e helicopter from the appropriate ceremony and equipment is always such a very powerful blow that is related with management and communication in the network, as well as connections among pilots, but again the key factor is the media and motivational factor, because what happened to the pilots of this helicopter, why can't i repeat it with other pilots, because understanding what the number of e-e, including military officials who do not agree with the policy of vladimir putin and his henchmen. i think that in this way they can take advantage of the opportunity

to, well, first of all, e-e protect their lives and not participate in this criminal military activity and besides, to get certain connections from the fact that ukraine consciously and responsibly refers to the obligations assumed, that is, this pilot receives half a million dollars, this means that a safe and normal future will be ensured not only for him, but also for his parents. thank you very much explained, let's move on, we understand that despite all the processes that are currently taking place inside russia, which can probably help ukraine win this war, and to say that even entering the borders of 1991, uh, even well, even this will not be a guarantee of that this war will not start again simply after a certain time , and i am not the only one talking about this, the military and political leadership of our country is talking about, in particular, that russia will want revenge after losing this

war, and it can happen there literally in 10 years, for example, the leader said head of the intelligence directorate, kyrylo budanov, in an interview with our colleague from tsn, he emphasized that 10 years is such a normal period in order to rethink all of this, and start preparing revenge again, but how should ukraine prepare, what conclusions have we drawn from this war and how even after we win , we should not forget that today this romance can start if putin . we hope that by then he will no longer exist , so volodymyr zelenskyi said that putin will not last 10 years. however, whoever comes on the other hand, this is absolutely not a guarantee that it will not be worse, so better. yes, let's add oleksandr kochetkov to our conversation now, and the analyst of missile weapons, congratulations, mr. oleksandr and and if we talk about what conclusions should be drawn from this full-scale war in order to in the future, to prepare for new

escalations, let's say, because we understand that, well , we have drawn one conclusion, for sure, we must rely, first of all, exclusively on ourselves , and only then on partners, etc., some military blocs and so on, besides, as we see in ukraine, it is forbidden to use western weapons to strike at russian territory. so we have to focus on our own vpk. what trend have you noticed now in the context of the development of ukrainian modernization of old missiles again in order to we could develop this industry and in the future be more ready to counter , let's say, possible new attacks from the russian federation, everything is simple enough, but recently a lot of video materials have been published about it in our country and in the western the press in the world in general about the use of the neptune missile in which we know that it is very successful against cows by the way, because

it was created to oppose ships up to 5,000 tons and it will be solved. but there was information that this missile was used against the anti -aircraft missiles of the triumf s4 cm anti-aircraft complex, which were deployed on the territory of crimea. that is, it is used on the ground in surface-to-surface mode. previously, it was not adapted for this purpose. as it turned out in this regime is to move that missile that cannot be shot down even by this glorious russian missile complex that has spastic characteristics on paper and it can on paper shoot down any aerial salt that flies at an altitude of even 5 m, but in

reality it was only discovered that they cannot protect themselves, here we see that for a short period of time, the ukrainian anti -ship missile was modernized and refined in order to use a successful civilian sanatorium for impression. and this is by the way means a serious overhaul of the engine of the starting engine, in general, of the cruise engine, this is an overhaul before equipping the combat unit, and it is a fundamentally different control system, because over the sea, when the rocket is going, this is one problem, there is nothing to navigate when the rocket is going, and there is nothing to interfere. well, if the waves are not very high a if it is above the surface above the ground, then there are buildings there, there are trees, these are completely different conditions for such a flight, i.e. everything was

revised very significantly, what i am talking about is that if it is necessary, if there is understanding, if there are resources , then ukrainian manufacturers and developers are capable very short time to develop a very modern one of the most modern e-e rockets in the world well, now you have access to the topic . to attack either ukraine or possibly a neighboring state, we can only assume that you also adhere to this opinion that 10 years will be enough to recover literally two theses that confirm the statement of general bohdan , the first e-e, the time interval between the first and second

chechen company was three years i.e. khasavyutor agreements were concluded, and then three years later, the russian army again attacked ichkeria, then we recall the situation that currently exists in the territory of chernihiv , sumy, and kharkiv regions for a long time , as a liberation from the russian military presence, nevertheless, the residents of the border constantly suffer from enemy missile aircraft and artillery shelling why because the enemy has resources, he leads the same troubling devilish carriage causing suffering and destruction to the civilian population of our countries although, again, in this territory, i will remind you already three now as liberation from the russian occupiers, what will happen next after the end of the war. of course, god willing, the army's sentiments in the russian federation will not go anywhere, and they are still dreaming that they should be the heads of a large family of words. ukrainian peoples, in what way, who will achieve the road destruction of ukraine as a state and ukrainians as a constituent community of peoples of the world. i think that they will work to transform their oil and gas

wealth, where are their gains in a military place of course, they will learn the lessons from this russian-ukrainian confrontation, it was to find a way to overcome the shortcomings faced by the army in order to attack again in order for ukraine to achieve the same alarmist plans, then we must understand the following with you colleagues we will have to live with such rowdy neighbors all our lives, and the only rational approach is how to communicate with them, how can we get out of this situation, a powerful army is a classic saying , he who does not want to be fed by his own, be fed, is an army organ he is still working here and now therefore, only the strengthening of our defense forces is only the development, the powerful development of the ukrainian defense-industrial complex, which in the future should provide not only the needs of the ukrainian army, but also work for the ukrainian economy in general through the sale of modern developments, and here i agree with my colleague, we have a lot of modern, very effective e-e developments

that may become interesting on the world arms market to me. it is obvious. well, then let's talk about the specific directions that should be focused on after the victory of oleksandr well, what kind of weapons do we need? defensive offensive, why should we focus on air defense in order to avoid future attacks or vice versa, for example, on offensive missiles that could strike the points from where these missiles fly over ukraine, for example, on the territory of the russian federation, and the idea is possible without bread accordingly, to push back from the topic or russia will be disassembled together into spare parts, but this is a very difficult problem, or we will be so strong that even russia will not have any more and will be afraid to attack

for ukraine, that is, first of all, we need modern defense weapons of the full cycle, first of all, we are talking about missiles, different missiles , we must have their own e-e anti-missile anti-aircraft price tag and complex, and we have development, for example, there is development of keels of the dnipro missile center, which according to the characteristics well, it looks no worse, no worse than the famous patriot patriot, secondly , we need operational-tactical missiles that will have a range of 500 km, and we do not need to ask great britain or france, or now the german embassy there panchol is competing whether to provide rocketry or to provide ours, we need to have such missiles of our own and attack camps are not very well provided to us . accordingly, we must have such things and we again have similar developments. that is, we can do it. and for some reason we also lacked understanding what is needed or money there was not enough, well, first of all, understanding

is now understanding thank god unfortunately , we still need and there are opportunities for this and now i really want to cooperate with us and in fact the best manufacturers are cooperating the world according to the speeches that we have on the successes at the front, the successes of ours, how much is it just advertising and for what date to pay some crazy money artus, this advertising takes place during hostilities, because of the knowledge , we are ready to cooperate and work and we have practical information from the battlefield , how it behaves any technique of modern , very intense and intensified war, and this is also a lot of information, i would really like to ask, we see that some weapons manufacturers have announced that they want to produce and precisely on

the territory of ukraine, where, for example, the german the company wasn't even scared. that's how they weren't even scared by threats from the russian federation. and what, let's say, is the profit of these companies? why is it so important to them and they want this weapon to be written made in ukraine? well, i'm talking about that actually. i say there is no better advertisement than combat use, what is happening there somewhere, tests on a training ground in, well, such soft enough languages ​​well , this is not at all the case if the people are the official customers of the country, i am this technique works extremely well for us , there is some kind of confrontation there well, we see that russia moves moves in the middle ages but continues to be powerful enough and modern enough in the military sense, so here we are against our powerful state and our equipment is winning ukrainian military is able

to work with modern equipment, accordingly, this equipment is ergonomic enough, everyone can see that this equipment is used on the battlefield it is effective, you can pay money for it, it is a reliable investment in the security and defense of various countries, i say. unfortunately, war is the best advertisement for any weapon, i want to emphasize that that level started there to make neptune is actually not something that has been achieved, fantastic, this is a normal level of ukrainian manufacturers, ukrainian designers and developers, a normal level . this is the cock we need to work on constantly and, in addition to missiles, we really need to produce various after-water vehicles. but focus on approximately 10 types of attack drones, various reconnaissance kamikazes there are old actions of the aircraft type or

drones to concentrate and release a full line but unified so that we do not have such a zoo of war that exists now, this is the second uh, the task that needs to be performed . well , we need to and we can produce any type of armored vehicles in cooperation with our partners. sand and modern military equipment, this should be the basis of our defense, thank you, thank you , i really want to ask you about your plan.

if, god forbid, russia will really try and try to get revenge in 10 or how many years , so that we are as prepared as possible, we understand that war, unfortunately , despite the crazy loss, it is the most powerful training process, but still, we have to take into account many points in this plan in your imagination, he looks a little later to your question. and now we are talking about what we have been able to do so far in our military-industrial complex. speak about these marine drones that have already proven themselves quite well, but in the context in which even a whole brigade of these marine drones was created, and even volodymyr zelenskyy gave them the symbols of this brigade, and we understand that the number is expanding , the availability of such methods of influence is expanding. let's say this on the situation

in the black sea region, mr. oleksandr . what do you think? well, how promising is this industry, and is it possible to do it exclusively? the powerful force of ukraine at sea well, they have already demonstrated that a thin fleet like that of russia, which seemed sufficiently serviceable, powerful and even somewhat modern, but it turned out to be absolutely unable to resist anything against ship missiles and naval drones , by the way, i want to add that we have in development not only surface drones and there are also underwater roads, which are actually different types of wireless devices above the water, well, on the surface of the water, they are very fast, very fast, but that underwater one will not be able to quietly go to the area of ​​reference

of enemy ships, stand there as such a peculiar the minus is to wait for an empty ship and then to graduate, the development is also working and seeing such a drone with modern means will be much more difficult, that is, there is development here and this is a very promising direction. yes, we have rocket launchers with the same neptune . well, i don’t know flagship of the ukrainian fleet by children sahaidachny something like that should be frigates but unmanned surface and underwater drones should really form the basis of the modern ukrainian fleet which is directed not for capture, i didn’t draw it, but for protection, that’s what it means, oleksandr. and these eyes are not the best unmanned drones, but these are underwater drones

. what kind of machines are they? what targets can they hit and where exactly can they be used? we know that now. russian ships and boats are patrolling the crimean bridge very actively after we flew there from our side, and it will be appropriate to use these underwater drones there, and they can work in the area where there is a certain concentration of threshold ships. they we pass through the narrow ones, this is the same bridge, then they are capable of destroying stationary sea objects, for example, the same bridges or some of them are fenced off around the anchorages and something like that, some of the terminals that are located right next to the lake of water , that is, wherever there is where ships go at a low

speed and those underwater drones can act very effectively. by the way, they have such a mode that if he captured and saw the world, he can accelerate and provide it. and how is the speed of such underwater drones small for an hour under the water, oleksandr, you and zack, a missile weapons specialist, wanted to talk about the above-mentioned chancellor scholz, in particular, so there was information that he is currently blocking the supply of long-range taurus missiles to ukraine, and here is actually yours to begin with, a personal impression is just waiting for the first step to be taken, for example, by the americans with their attacks

. now, i will start with the last one. well, they will not significantly affect the situation in the course of our next one, and here there is no need to fear that germany is delaying again. again, there is waiting for something, and therefore we will have certain problems. i want to note that tauru is a continuation continuation and support of the use of similar equipment of similar surface-to-air missiles, first the british began to add rockets to us, then these jackets are used, they are drawn and there are not an infinite number of them, so the french had almost the same rapituskav provide us only written in english, not in english, but in french, and the taurus rocket is a swedish , swedish, german development. its characteristics are absolutely the same, that is, it