[000:00:00;00] well, he lives in the community, has local self-government, and therefore the local budget. and from here lapa zagrebuscha went there, there is one initiative about which we definitely need to talk with the lawmaker and the people's deputy of ukraine , the deputy minister of economic development in 15-16 yulia klymenko, in touch with our studio mr. yuliya, we congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes good morning we are talking about the decision of the cabinet of ministers and before that there was an informational art training. you are in the reform of local self-government, more precisely, the reform is good, he said yuliya latinina, good russian is simply a people, he does not know how to govern it, and it was the first swallow, and now the second. the cabinet of ministers wants to remove the military personal income tax from

the budget of local communities so that since october, it went to the center, well, for many pre-front territories - this is just a shock, because the local economy there is lala, and this is possibly one of the most important keys for them to obtain some kind of balance and budgeting, so what to do with all this, explain to us so that we understand all those who have never had anything to do with the budget but are really rooting for their community well, actually, this is a bad idea because uh, i don't know what was meant when they said that communities do n't have, they don't know how to manage but i think that this is a question uh in general, to communities and their ability to manage, but definitely not now , it is necessary to take away personal income tax from local budgets , because in fact, as you rightly said , firstly, the regional economy has collapsed, and secondly

, in fact, communities do not have large subsidies from the central budget or the central budget it simply cannot afford it and many programs are not financed, thirdly, many programs, for example, for reconstruction, were entrusted to the communities, i am not talking about veterans and all other social issues that were also entrusted to the communities, so simply take and take away personal income tax from the local level and centralize it is going very badly at the state level. since we know our history, not only our own, that any concentration of resources at the central level leads to dictatorship , which means that decentralization, in principle , gives communities the opportunity to learn to manage its community, its budget, and thirdly, it gives the regions the opportunity to develop, to compete with each other and not to concentrate resources at the central level, the situation in

ukraine, where during martial law, all decisions are concentrated at the national level in one place, and all the money is concentrated there, nothing good for democracy or development communities, or the development of society in general, it is possible to work out a-a so that personal income tax is paid not at the place of the military unit a at the place of registration of a person, i.e. if a person is registered for example, in the kharkiv region, a military unit is temporarily located there in the lviv region, then the personal income tax must be transferred to the kharkiv region, but this is a controversial issue that must be discussed at the expert level , because let's say it directly, and military units consume local and local infrastructure. they are located in communities they use water, they use roads, they all use community infrastructure, which community will then

restore it, so i am not talking about what needs to be restored, for example, school housing and everything else and in many respects e-e communities do not have other funds such as personal income tax and the third and main e-communities are more effective in helping military units than e-e for example the ministry of defense or the national budget i.e. the purchase of drones or anything for military units which e-e are on their territory or, for example, they are at war with this community. well, there it takes a maximum of 1-2 months to get something from the central budget from the ministry of defense, it takes 8-9 months before, maybe part of the personal income tax should go to the war on e-e from financing military units but it definitely shouldn't go to the central budget . now it's more clear. maybe even before local self-government. i wanted us

to return in time, but i can't help but ask you to react to the hot news this morning, because your colleague in the session hall nestor ivanovich shufrych and this is the generalissimo because we saw his shoots, he remained a people 's deputy until today. and at the same time, such things are happening there, and such things can already be seen from the search, which is simply a simple question. the search for rabinovych is hiccuping somewhere, some others are running around the worlds or hiding in israel, but these eyes went calmly until today's search, why are there such double standards for one and the same thing, which is called the banned party opzzh ?

is still the head of the verkhovna rada committee on freedom of speech, i.e., a person from the russian federation heads the committee on freedom of speech, and the answer to the second question : why is the psg still a member of the parliament of the verkhovna rada from local councils? and in general, they occupy active positions and positions in all state bodies. there is only one answer - it suits the government, and we can see from the voting in the verkhovna rada that the ukrainian people's party often votes for the ruling party when it needs it, and that's the answer to why . until now, a large part of the representatives of the ukrainian people's party sit in the verkhovna rada, and there are at least 20 of them there and he actively supports and votes for that, mr. shufrich. this is only the tip of the iceberg, and mr. boyko is sitting in the verkhovna rada . mr. boyko is doing well, and many other

representatives of the russian federation, moreover, the draft law on banning the russian federation at the local level, and got stuck in the committees of the verkhovna rada and is not brought into the hall yuliya actually we have a few more minutes, respectively, i would like to return to the issue of local self-government, what the novel indicated to me, this is all history and in particular with the military personal income tax and that some other nuances are simply er, they suggest that our decentralization reform can now go back in the opposite direction and return us to what we started from, to some such clear management of management from the center in different spheres, in fact, to yes, if not earlier, well, and we remember of course that there is certain requirements from the eu and from our partners and the issue of decentralization is one of those very important threats that you see here and actually

is this a very pessimistic scenario possible that we just talked about, see the pessimistic scenario is hardly possible because the place is still queuing at times in 8-9 years, it will have its say and it will have its say, including in the verkhovna rada, and it will have its say, as citizens and as civil society, so i don't think it will be so easy and many deputies support this idea this is the first and second, we remember from history that in fact decentralization began. the first is illegal about decentralization, it began with budgetary decentralization, when in 14-15 years the government voluntarily decided to decentralize finances, and this was done as a response to yanukovych's dictatorship, which centralized all

her resources and then she took out cash by trucks from the national bank from the bermuda triangle like the bermuda triangle to the bank and the institute because we want we can see that the decentralization of resources to any country and where only for the benefit of successive world war ii germany, the marshall plan included the decentralization of resources, money for reconstruction was given to europe in exchange for the decentralization of resources, because any centralization of resources, as we see in russia and the kremlin, leads to to the dictatorship and to the idiotic ideas of julia , your words are confirmed by, for example, penny pritzker, she will now represent, in particular, the

american finances that we need. including probably the same decentralization, as we can see, a repetition of the experience of the reform, the marshal's plan, and reconstruction is also taking place ms. yulia thank you for and clarification of this topic yulia klymenko, people's deputy and in the past , deputy minister of economic development in 15-16 years, that's the story so now 11 :40 and this is the time to traditionally add yehor chicherin to our etar to our colleague from kyiv there is grief, we congratulate you now let's see where you are today and who is visiting you today, also about corruption for sure there will be 100% something to talk about today. congratulations colleagues indeed. we are in shevchenko park today and the weather is comfortable enough for us because there is no sun and it is not cool and not hot and it is comfortable enough for our journalistic activities and we will be together with

our journalist colleague yuri nizhevy is the editor-in-chief of the edition of our money. i congratulate you, mr. yuriy. i congratulate you. well, i wanted to talk to you , you know where to start, yesterday. in the evening, already on facebook, this is vilmusaeva, also our colleague , the editor-in-chief of the site, ukrainian the truth posted a photo even about the fact that she and you received the free media awards twenty twenty three honorably the day before yesterday in hamburg . what kind of award is it? kyiv and a bottle of wine there for something for some there your possible previous couples what is it about please this award has been established for a long time for two dozen years it has been founded by norwegians germans that is, this is a media such a fund that is intended precisely to celebrate the work of journalists from post-snd countries and eastern europe, so to speak, every time they celebrate their contribution

to the independence of the media and freedom of speech this year. a leap in the fight against corruption, so let's just say this is a very nice award, ah, it's very nice that the world sees and notes our efforts not to create a showcase for the circle of ukrainian corruption, yes, but precisely that we are trying to change our country from the inside. such a statue reminds us, well, it is made of glass, a paper dove or some other bird, and there is some kind of monetary equivalent, uh, there is something there , but i don’t even know, because it’s all gil , if i were there. well, as far as i know about this award , the monetary equivalent is enough to mark this whole story , but not to solve your problems there. well, i hope you invite us too, invite even the meaning . well, let's talk about more serious things about the ukrainian news of today and the days

before. that the sbu would have already announced the third suspicion against ihor kolomoisky, the owner or former owner of the privat group, and he is now partially the owner of the privat group, and he is accused of making fictitious payments to his privat bank when it still belonged to him , and this was also for the privatization of privatbank for the total amount if i am not mistaken in ukrainian hryvnias, 5 billion 878 million hryvnias, it was 13 17th year, the total amount is the same. well, the telegram channel of the sbu reports that at that time it was about 700 million dollars , which he effectively deposited as cash into the cash register to the bank and then received this money through the bank, it is already real to my accounts. this is such a very simple, unimaginative scheme . how do you think this suspicion can be? well, effective in court means confirmed in court. i just calculated that if you take into account that 1 million

dollars is somewhere kilograms of money, then 700 million is 7 tons of money. well, two small gazelles had to be brought to the bank inconspicuously and then handed over to the cashier. how promising will this case be in court ? absolutely igor's style valeriyovych er-e confuse the schemes with something that does not exist and make such a simulacrum from it that allegedly already exists, that is, there is no cash, but according to the documents, you have it, if it is more from nothing, something a-and secondly, in the 14th year, too, we were engaged in eh -th investigation into privatbank, we found a story for nine billion hryvnias in the 14th year, for which privatbank, which was still owned by kolomoisky at the time, paid some firms there and took these nine billion hryvnias abroad for payment under contracts for the purchase of excavators and chemical substances from which they are making film, this is despite the fact that film has not been made in ukraine for 10 years, but only the last scheme plant was shot to

pieces by shredding there at the beginning of the zeroes, but this payment went, of course, there were no excavators, and we were talking about thousands of excavators that would have been there there was nothing to build around the mannerheim line, and from this i understand that this episode is still waiting for its criminal proceedings. so, i hope that there will also be a judicial perspective in this , so now it is becoming very difficult in general understand since we have at the same time uh, a week ago, one suspicion from beba sbu, and then we have another suspicion from nabu , according to which the assets are being seized, today the court has to make a decision uh, and now there is also the third episode, that is, such a legal chaos is being created, which kolomoiskyi really likes to create something like the energy of some various bureaucratic legal tricks, from which, as i am convenient for you , you type it and oh, and see how something falters, that is,

kolomoiskyi's legal service in ukraine has always been one of even portnov worked on it some time ago, i think it will be very difficult and very interesting. well, for this money, i just wonder where these 700 million dollars went, according to the sbu version, where then this non-cash money was transferred to which accounts of fc dnipro llc who heard already in boz, this club has been gone for a long time, unfortunately, there is one dnipro, but it is a different legal entity on kolomoisky's own account, the money then went to the address of the organization of the united jewish community of ukraine, this is the version of sbu llc proton-21 t o v yub fc gambit and t and p jsc ipk halychyna oil refinery, yuriy well, i don't remember the second suspicion even now, but what i remember exactly was the reason for which he was actually locked up in the pre-trial detention center, the case was considered behind closed doors, and we don't even know what happened there, what he was charged with. but we can assume that

it was a question of ukrnafta, well, at least well, at least there were rumors for 400 million, which appear there for 610 e-e around ukrnafta, that’s no . what are these pennies about ? it was about tens of billions of hryvnias therefore, let's say an episode worth 400 million that was pulled. well, i had the impression that the sbu simply ran with the baby in order to make it faster than nabu. in general, in your opinion , is it possible to consider such cases in closed mode? what is the need to consider the case about ukrnafta, which is simple 700 million, for example, about ukraine's next one, or maybe the next one will take place in closed mode , we don't even know what and now the appeal, by the way , the lawyers said that they won't pay a deposit, it seems there's half a billion hryvnias, a little more, and then we didn't assume that maybe this is due to the fact that the lawyers are waiting for other suspicions, so in the end it happened that later it was possible to negotiate. it is possible to reduce the amount due to an appeal, but the appeal

has not yet taken place, because even on the first suspicion , because then the documents did not reach the court of first instance to the court of appeal and kolomoisky surrenders until september 25, i think i'm wrong, he will definitely be sent to the sbu pretrial detention center well , he was told how comfortable the conditions are, it's not the lukyaniv pretrial detention center, there is a separate, separate room , a tv, a refrigerator, maybe he 'll watch us again, we send greetings to igor valeriyovych we take care of you and worry about your safety. what's next? now will there be appeals, or will kolomoisky's stay in the pre-trial detention center be continued? after these regular, uh, regular relationships, maybe he's hiding from ambrosia right now. well, somewhere away from the people of rychagiv, it may be inconvenient for him to look for this money, since it has to be officially confirmed for making bail, and he, and his money, well, a long time ago, it was officially arrested, so to speak, by the decision of the london to the court, do you remember he said that i don't have money to donate to the war

, but i can decorate the kiosk there. those were his words. maybe he's not comfortable with it. maybe he 's just waiting . the matter and he also has it for a moment in a few weeks, the matter is in london , where they want to siphon off billions of dollars from it for the benefit of privatbank. which were stolen from privatbank, that's why i'll be there now be careful with forecasts, because forecasts require an understanding of what is actually there in these cases, and they are all closed, but absolutely all of them and none of the parties are commenting . well, let's hope and wish all the special suspects in this case an honest and fair trial in the ukrainian court, including ihor kolomoisky let's now move on to another figure in this morning's information , today the sbu came

to the head of the parliamentary committee on freedom of speech, nestor, for a second, with suspicion of treason ivanovich shufrych, yes, he is a fighter for the better fate of ukraine and for the better fate of all ukrainians, including you and me . photos from his country house in kozyna have already circulated all over the internet. there is such a small palace there, people are already offering to give it to the needs of the ukrainian military there who suffered on were wounded in the war, what do you think about the prospects of this case? is it really a surprise? yes, what are they carrying shufrych, how could he be the charger of ukraine, my god, how could shufrych be their traitor to ukraine? yes, a man who was still at the checkpoint at the beginning of the war they delayed what was being filmed, er, our location, er, well, i have the only surprise in this is that the sbu finally got a chair in this direction.

the sbu in its history, which is more than one year 23rd yes, the sbu was created in our country three decades ago. unfortunately, historically it has turned out that very often its affairs are lost somewhere along the way , broken, drunk, sold, so i really hope that the sbu will now to create a new practice eh and create the inevitability of punishment and all the more so for the traitors of ukraine, mr. vasyl the kid, the head of the sbu we hope that the traitors of all ukraine will be imprisoned and duly punished , but here there is one more additional question regarding our protection directly as journalists and freedom of speech in general in ukraine, because until this morning the committee on freedom of speech of the verkhovna rada had only three members, the chairman of the committee was našt shufrych, who will obviously be in the pre-trial detention center at least until the end of the day today , the second person is yevgen yevheniya as himself grabar is the name of this person, do you remember who recommended that before the war, ukrainian pensioners should pay for gas with these elite puppies of elite breeds or dogs of elite breeds and who, among other things, was later caught, remember, in the darnytskyi district , allegedly after using narcotic

drugs while driving the police i was so suspicious of him, but then somehow the matter resolved itself. well, our colleague in the past, the journalist of tsn, the former serhiy shvets , he was the secretary of the agrabar committee , accordingly, he was the first successor of the chairman now there are two shvets and there are no bigger hornbills, that is, i understand that the fans of the elite breed of puppies are exactly what he will perform the duties of the chairman of the parliamentary committee . there was an idea to disband this committee in general, because there are no people, there is no feed, i don’t know what reasons will be officially announced, how important is the existence of such a parliamentary committee in general for our protection with you well, this is very by the way, a symbolic story that ukraine's censored monopoly single telethon, uh, there is a question about disbanding the committee on freedom of speech, that is, this is the attitude of the government, and in fact , the party in power and the office of the president towards

the media in general, that is, in their imagination, there is a single plan in which the committee of freedom you don't need words , you don't need how much censored media is officially censored, and telegram channels, so why do they all need freedom of speech, these are incomprehensible stories, what is there with democracy , what is this? there is little time, shufrich is a great businessman, he was involved in gas and oil extraction , that's all he has for the present. further, because uh, if in the end he will already be brought to justice, then there will already be questions about a person who is actually engaged in anti-ukrainian activities, and then he will easily become a victim of our actions on the sledge. thank you, we hope so what advantages are still waiting for us, an honest, biased ukrainian court

, yuriy nikolov, was with us, the editor-in-chief of the publication, our money , we will invite you again. see you yehor thank you yura nikolov, we also congratulate you on this award well, actually, we listened to you and thought to ourselves well, what to do with this committee on issues of freedom of speech, it can throw maryana there without a corner shufrich flew in it there is no conscience or intelligence now in the committee, it needs to be strengthened well, i don’t know, i don’t know what’s wrong with committees, it’s not in my competence to advise something like that, instead, i can definitely advise you to join various meetings in support of our defenders, in particular, our assembly for today together with you uah 16,000 have been collected and this is how we say goodbye to roman and to you. have a peaceful and safe day

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