[000:00:00;00] common information, it is correct and the only correct one even during the war. it is probably correct, but in this situation from the trip , nothing is clear at all about what is happening now , in that part of the front where you are now, if it is possible to say, part of our unit is located a little near kurdyum kiwis fought near it about 5-6 months ago when the enemy had offensive actions on bakhmut, now part of our unit is located to the north of bakhmut but i will tell you between your words perhaps that is why it is necessary to discuss, uh, they took that settlement, do we still need a day or two ? well, i wouldn't object to that. let it be as it will be, well, look there, the same situation, kurdyubivka . i personally have been there many times from zelenopillya, you can pass it there.

well, in 15 minutes, but i would add these 15 minutes and these 100 km to the pumping station, this is the life of many, many guys. she can go there twice today and back . yes, she can be returned to us tomorrow . a really important point of reference for we will be there to move forward, but if the guys from the third assault brigade say that we have to wait a little longer, it means that they know because they are there and have been for the last month. the ukrainian defense forces reported that the russians are concentrating on the kupyan direction more than 100,000 russian occupiers have gathered , what do you think this concentration of troops can remain, well, look at the sryblyansky forest, the direction of the estuary and the kupyansk, uh, really, about

four months ago, when we again entered these the positions told us that there were really about 100,000 concentrated there. well, we didn't believe it. we are already military. we are now free who have become military. we are already checking the information and do not believe in it. it is true that there is a very large number of tanks there, 800 or 900, and there were some problems, and we lost a small, even not a small number of villages, probably one village for about two or three weeks, then they were taken back, and the specifics are very interesting, there are a lot of forests almost everywhere the lakes of the swampy area, there was a spill of the seversky donets well, what can we say at the present moment, the enemy was confident, they did not succeed in doing anything in that direction, they got very hard on the teeth, we reinforced our positions, our ngu armed forces and other units

that are fighting er-er reinforced our positions er-er very powerful units, everything has stabilized there, we control everything there. everything is normal in that direction, and now there remains a very tense situation. just like around bakhmat, both from the north and from the south, but there is no crisis situation, that's for sure. well, the new york times reports that russia has circumvented technological sanctions, produces more missiles than before the large-scale war, according to american officials, russia was forced to dramatically slow down the production of missiles and other weapons for six months after the start of the full-scale invasion, but at the end of the 22nd year , the russian missile defense system began to gain momentum again, is it felt because of how the russian occupiers use these weapons, that is, do you feel that they have more missiles, more shells, more weapons, it is clear that

the number of aircraft is not comparable to russia and of ukraine, but still, is it felt at the front that russia has launched this flywheel of its military-industrial complex , i would like to say first of all that russia has always distinguished itself by the fact that it produces low -quality ammunition, so really we have already seen without understanding any caliber and starting with degrees ending with 122 mm shells with the inscriptions 23rd year. as for the sanctions, i am not funny about them. i feel that there was some sincerity in the acceptance of these measures by western countries, our partners, but when ordinary citizens send video cars from e-port cities of poland, where the 23rd year marked aluminum from russia stands right up to the horizon, well, this means that

someone is deceiving someone, or they are not following , although it is strange for the united states and the united kingdom not to control these things, well, as well for spare parts and setting up the production of shells and electronics, and to the shaheds and to everything in the world. well, there are other countries there, i won’t name them. maybe they are friendly or sympathizing with us, who also sympathize or make the same money . let’s also name our uh a very large and powerful southern neighbor who is a member of nato and who has increased trade turnover, well, i was just ashamed to look at the dear mr. erdogan, what kind of pressure is on the hand of a person who killed more than a thousand children here , ruined many hundreds of thousands of families , separated him, kicked him out of the country, you are pressuring him and saying that i am happy

from the fact that our turnover reached something like 8400 billion, it means that they are trading and everything is fine with them. they opened the door. well, of course, we are not talking about that now with russian tourists, but it is very insulting because if you say that you are a friend of ukraine, you must to be a friend of ukraine and not like that and here and there, and even more so, this does not just apply to grain or ammonia or some fertilizers there. well, where can you make extra money and so on, this is friendship with a tyrant , this is friendship with the leader of north korea. life, i don't understand how the turkish people look at it, well, the turkish people, what we ukrainians have experienced is very sympathetic, very helpful to the ukrainian refugees , of whom there are less than 350,000, but there are also about five million russians there at the same time, which surprises me as a fighter and a warrior therefore, the western world, and especially nato, needs it to pay attention to such countries, well, the same is true not only about turkey , i think there are many other countries that willingly sold twice as much

e-e electronic for twice the price of electronics from which e-e calibers e shahedi are now made and so on. including and became and everything in the world well, we also have examples of our partners who during the second world war very willingly traded with hitler 's germany and then said that well, i'm sorry and then said that they support neutral status well, as they say, the situation is as they say for whom was the war and for whom the mother should control it, not the ukrainian governments, the ukrainian people, because we are here now in the throat of the war, but our western partners, who should understand whether they completely shut off the water in this apartment, i am about russia, about financial, about the possibilities to purchase the latest technologies is this done for the sake of a check mark and

so that it remains only on paper, and they are increasing the production of alcohol weapons, you already mentioned north korea yesterday, putin met with whom in what manner in what manner did he raise the toz for putin and in order to russia won this war today, the head of the gur of the ministry of defense of ukraine, budanov, said that the dprk began supplying the russian federation with ammunition, such as 122 mm and 152 mm projectiles, as well as rockets up to hail, what do you think , will north korea decide somehow in this way, this uh-e projectile hunger, which is obviously in russia , well, it can provide. i think for a certain period , probably someone there considered as analysts that if they give everything they have, but we

must understand that these are stocks from 55-65 years and well, gunpowder is not the kind of thing that can be stored for millions of years, it clumps up, well, there is a specific thing, after all, it must be stored very responsibly and i am not sure that there will be more than 45% of the projectiles that can be used, that is, push them then it will be possible to use a cannon, but how they will shoot is another question, plus, korea . as far as i understand, the license itself has factories and produces the same projectiles, that is, they can be, but here the question arises: what well, for example, many hunters switch to e western ones standards because more than one factory in russia cannot consistently produce high-quality products that will not give false positives, that will shoot accurately, respond to the mass of gunpowder on the very bullet, and so on, so there is also

such a question here, everything that is produced for russian cannons, projectiles in korea, they may or may not shoot at all. well, we hope for that, but here they have such risks, but to continue the escalation, to now release many thousands on us, well, this is the only correct decision. here the question arises : why did the chinese allow everything because we we understand that uh, north korea is not quite independent in this regard. although it has nuclear weapons, i think they still advise it with a great friend who to some extent allows it to exist on planet earth, and that is why it is probably china's decision, so we must understand that he supports, he may not supply himself, and he can also supply himself through the old one, complete our conversation, lieutenants, i apologize yaroslav lysenko, junior lieutenant of the third operational battalion, svoboda appoints him as part of the rapid response brigade of the national guard

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join the gathering we will show our fighters that we are with them. welcome to the espresso channel. what does the word replicator mean? in my opinion, it is something about the reproduction of a repetition of an already existing one. and this is the name of a new pentagon program announced by the us deputy secretary of defense ketley hicks. this program is now being actively discussed by american military industrialists and congressmen. the purpose of the replicator the deployment of small drones in large numbers and in the shortest possible time in the us army, marines, navy and air force, one quote from the speech of the deputy minister of defense is given us on this topic in ukraine we have seen what inexpensive affordable systems are capable of not to mention their commercial technologies

they can help determined defenders stop a larger aggressor from achieving his goals allow fewer people in the line of fire and can be manufactured , deployed and upgraded with the necessary for the army with the speed of simple maintenance so the united states decided that a significant number of autonomous systems in various domains will become a key element of american defense in the near future on the ground, in the water and in the air, in space, but this is a certain emergency program, because the replicator is clearly focused on countering china, because as it was stated, the main advantage of china is mass , that is, more ships, more missiles, more people, so the best answer was recognized that it is necessary to bet on innovation and the most correct form of innovation is actually

these drones, which, together with means of communication intelligence or strike capabilities, provide this counterbalance to china in the near future , and against this background, i had a desire to discuss this initiative of the united states and its extrapolation to the needs and capabilities of ukraine, because the army of our enemy the russian federation has a mass advantage over our armed forces, so what are the prerequisites for us to work to start our own replicator and how to scale what has already been done and became an impetus for to the pentagon , we will talk about this in our military program with our ukrainian experts who have strong expertise and experience in this area, my name is serhiy zhorits, i am the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with the espresso channel, strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense, and now

we are joined by denis longopoly - a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund and the head of the unicorn nest company, mr. denisa congratulations, i am glad to see and hear the broadcast of the channel espresso and i am again surprised by your beautiful plow on which you will answer our questions. good day, in fact, here such a person uttered something such a long introduction to explain to our to the audience. what exactly is the purpose of the american replicator program and i would like to hear your evaluations of how adaptable the approach is for the ukrainian side , or can we also follow this path based on our capabilities well, first of all, we are already almost following this path by the way, but well, look, it could be a game, it’s startups for the last almost 20 years. i’ve been working from the point of view

of what we now have in our arsenal, it’s not that high-tech, high-tech. even if we look at drones kamikaze, which ours use in drones, well, this is almost a low-tech v drones well, there is nothing there that would be, well, that's enough, but here there is, as in any startup, as in our industry they say, it 's better to innovate, it's an innovation of a business model, and now we have an approach that i use asymmetry yes, well, that is, we have to use the cheapest tools that can cause great damage, well, when we look at the test how much does even the most expensive drone cost and what

kind of equipment can it destroy? well, for example, our naval drones against ships that cost tens of millions there millions of dollars right here we can buy and produce a large number of trays of equipment yes, but to cause a lot of damage to the enemy , first of all, secondly, this methodology justifies the fact that if this technique can be used by any any person at the front, yes, you can learn to control an epihydron very quickly, yes, these are skills that need to be mastered, but now we are talking about days and weeks, as opposed to months

and years, if we are talking about, for example, f16, here we are we will use the pilots of which we trained for several years and now we will train them for a few months, but we have an instru- well, not in ours, but in any army that has begun to use more modern equipment, there is an opportunity, firstly, to adopt it very quickly , and secondly, it is almost there is no opposition from the opponents. yes, they have fish and other protection there, but it is not implemented on a large scale. well, we can use it under the conditions of technological limitations of our opponent . very limited er quantities and in our country, when we don’t have an economic and technological blockade, and we have the help of our partners, we can

produce it. well, that is, it’s an asymmetric approach and it already works. i talked to the guys from the front. it works. yes, that is, if the drone costs $400 , they can destroy a tank at a price of several million, and that of tens of millions , if we are talking about a modern one, then it works even before our war, before a full-scale invasion , it was like a hypothesis, but such technologies were never used anywhere on the front and now, firstly, they are used, secondly, they are used massively. and this gives an opportunity to study their tactics and strategy of use, and based on this , our partners and we can build in new methods of conducting battle, and even if military wars are somehow so absolutely true

to that that in fact it is our practice that tested the hypothesis of the mass use of drones and was just the impetus for this program, the replicator that the deputy secretary of defense of the united states spoke about, and now based on your experience, what kind of person for a long time, he has been engaged in startups of various purposes, now from bly to military topics, what are the main problems now from the point of view of the promotion and development of military startups, relatively speaking, are foreign business englishmen ready to invest in our military projects, this is one component question, and the second question is how to ensure the scaling of those solutions that are considered to be breakthrough or effective, what are the main problems at these two stages? well, let's start with the second. yes, because the first one is more like that. well, it's a difficult, difficult question and there will be a long one.

the answer is what i see, i don't have a solution now, firstly, secondly , i don't have to influence it, thirdly, i don't see all the pictures together , yes. that is, these are my thoughts, which are exclusively mine. that our resources are quite limited, but they are scattered among a large number of projects that produce something. yes, we have projects. well, i met with more than 200 not companies, but groups of people, organizations or companies that produce anything that flies. yes, there somewhere close to 300, more than 200, but no, not 300, but close to 300, so there is a different amount solutions and money that are volunteers of the state and in commercial institutions, including investors, are scattered over a large

number of projects and this is a problem because if we had an unlimited market well , for example, startups in china, of which there are literally millions and they, er, are fighting for a large amount of money and so on, but we have er, the ministry of defense is one. we have several powerful don told us what kind of funds there are by word of mouth, what plants do you know, so even now we have a problem that er i would now choose several solutions that are already on the field they showed themselves very well and financed their powerful scaling . and what i see now, what i see now is quite a lot of attracting financing by projects that have just started, and they will start the road that

several dozen startups have already taken and something have reached so it seems to me that now it is not balanced and not uh, let's say yes, not synchronized. and the lack of a strategy for what, how we produce it is the main problem, uh, on the one hand, on the other hand, i would now like to uh, build a big the enterprise for the production of e-e drones of any kind of military equipment, there are risks that something will fly there if i build them in protected areas. well, for example, in kyiv , in the kyiv region, everything is exposed to the danger of the population, and if even in our country, air defense works very well. if there is a motivation to attack more densely with missiles, etc. with these scooters yes, this will pose a security risk. and if they are built separately, it will be impossible

to protect them, but uh, we have a scaling problem, we already have products that have proven themselves very well, and uh, i know several companies several teams that are now they are trying to build production in poland or the czech republic or the baltic countries so that they are in conditional danger and can supply the already produced equipment to the front, that is , accordingly, to the second question , the answer to the first question is actually very unpleasant and i am very pessimistic here now because most of the investors i talk to say that the absolute majority and probably 100% of our startups working for the war will end when the war ends and this

is a problem for them because the only customer is now well, we have a conditional ministry of defense. well, okay, not the ministry of defense, but the needs of our military, yes, they are financed by the ministry of defense, volunteer funds and other organizations, but when the war is over , these orders will disappear, and if we prepare it now, this is what the investors tell me. if we if we invest in such companies, then we will lose money, that's why they want to finance companies that have prospects in global markets. and what would it be like to have prospects in global markets , in addition to engineers and production, they need two things the first one is compliance with international military standards, yes, and it is very expensive to produce . well, for example, we calculated for one startup that spent

half a million dollars on the development regime, what to make them what they do, but it met international military standards, they need to invest another 2 million dollars, and they hesitated for a long time and decided that they would spend these 2 million dollars on the production of what they already have , but right now they were destroying the muscovites, and it was not improving there, and this is the first problem that we are not ready to invest money, time and energy to meet these standards. secondly, if the company is focused on global markets, then the team should have people who have experience working in these markets, that is, investors want to see products that will meet international standards so that there is a person who won or took part in tenders in any

military country and understood how the kitchen works, because our estonians are very optimistic , even those who have experience in global to the global it business, but to sell drones to malaysia, for example, is much more difficult than to sell it solutions, even those of a complex company like ibm , for example, and we have no experience working in international markets, we have no experience working in e- e experience in the production of products that can be sold to the ministry of defense of other countries and now it is starting to affect our internal financing because our people are ready to invest 1 2 3 million in military startups and they have a question. what next for these money, you