[000:00:00;00] well, it takes a lot of effort. thank you. thank you, serhiy, a slave military expert, a participant in peacekeeping missions , and ivanna klympush sensadze, a people 's deputy of ukraine, the head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union , is now in touch with us. health, mrs. ivanna. let's start with the report to the sulikor denlyan about the situation in the country, what is it called, what is it in the union, because it is very important, the report was about it, a lot was said by the observers and noticed that there was no such emphasis on ukraine that was made last year. this year, in fact, there were no such tough statements regarding aid to ukraine . it's not that fatigue. but i would say

the mundaneness of the war in ukraine for the european union has set in. it was still divided into these two questions from the point of view of the fact that ursula fonderlyan did a-a one of the main the emphasis of this annual report is precisely on the expanded and on what exactly the countries within the european union should do in order to maximally help all those who stand on the threshold, let's say, and are trying to enter the door of membership of the european union, and this also indicates a very serious such a tectonic owl and it is obvious that ukraine is the main flagship on this path and the country that changed these approaches of the european union, and therefore we can talk about what, in this context

, there was such a great emphasis on ukraine precisely in view of the need to prepare this process within the european union as efficiently as possible so that all those who geopolitically consider themselves to be a part of the western world of western europe and are ready for this to make serious transformations within the european union can pass this way as soon as possible, it is very important from the point of view of our goals , our dreams and the tasks we set for ourselves regarding military aid . talk about the fact that such an emphasis on war was not heard this year, but i would still like to count on the fact that

this is not a matter of habit well, not a matter of getting used to war but a question, perhaps, that suggests that certain politicians for the european union has already started, which should continue from the point of view of aid to ukraine, including military military aid to ukraine, including the creation of this special special fund for ukraine for the so-called recovery, i say the so-called recovery because it is obvious that 50 billion euros for a period of four years will definitely not be enough for the extraordinary tasks that we unfortunately see before us in connection with the destruction that the russian federation has brought to our land, ms. ivane , see on the other hand how do you evaluate the ukrainian domestic

work on european integration, we have now discussed what europeans think about it and what ukrainians not only think but also do, are there any draft laws or are there any ? as soon as possible, take some steps, at least legal ones, in order to pass this distance from not being a member of the european union to being a member of the european union, please well, i definitely see the energy , you know, the energy of a student who completes tasks on the eve of an exam. and this is what happened in the ukrainian parliament on the eve of the publication of the interim evaluation report according to how ukraine is moving, what about the fulfillment of the seven conditions of candidate two in the month of june, so at the end of may and the beginning of june , the verkhovna rada of ukraine actively adopted

laws that were necessary in order to we were credited with more pluses, as well as now we see that also in july, august, let's say, there was no such active movement in september , er, laws began to be passed, er, in particular, the law on the restoration of electronic declaration , but as you can see, the verkhovna rada of ukraine did not even manage to adopt this by a majority the law in such a way that it satisfies everyone because the deputies decided to cheat and pass the law in such a way that they do not open their declarations for another year. obviously we have seen, you know, this kind of game between the good and the bad boyars, because we see that president zelenskyi has already drawn up this draft law, did not sign it and returned it with his

proposals to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, there is a whole series of other a-a laws that we should complete, well actually it was about the middle of the adoption of which we should complete by the middle of september. well, i understand that it is now being pushed to the end of september - this, in particular , concerns the strengthening of the independent independence of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office strengthening of the full capacity of the national anti-corruption bureau is again a question of making certain changes to the law, which is the current law regarding national minorities and national communities . all these things are all awaiting consideration in the verkhovna rada of ukraine and further they were still not considered even in the first reading, such as draft laws on anti-corruption infrastructure, so i think that our colleagues are counting on the fact that, well, part a-a

of our tasks will be counted as part of the fulfillment of the conditions, you know how it is, how well done, well done, well done, and against this background, my colleagues feel that there is this political will, by the way, it is obvious that it is dictated precisely by the war and the incredible extrication shown by the strength of the defense of ukraine , and there is a political will to give ukraine recommendations from the european commission to the european i am glad that ukraine and ukraine have opened negotiations this year, there is a calculation that none of the member states of the european union will dare to block this process, and here are our colleagues on this exactly. eh, now they are making the most of the accent. although it seems to me that this is exactly the window of opportunity to not only get something from the european union, but also to transform the country as much as possible

in accordance with those eh declarations that we hear all the time from the mouths of our high officials and please tell ms. ivana that now the annual monitoring of the right to freedom , which has so far been applied only to member states of the european union, will be distributed to non-candidate countries and non- european union countries. how will this change the situation ? first of all, i would like to remind you that even in this expansion report , which we have to read at the end of october, and it will not contain information exclusively about what and how ukraine has done in terms of fulfilling the conditions, it will be a much broader analysis and a much broader assessment, and i i suspect that the observance of rights and freedoms will already be a part of this evaluation, since the political part of the copenhagen criteria is

the crux of the matter. what will happen here is such additional monitoring regarding the observance of rules and freedoms. i think that this is to some extent a response to the processes that are taking place in individual countries that are members of the european union, and this is exactly what is quite likely for some countries when they joined the european union. well, let's say no completed, but in some areas, its work remained to a certain extent raw , and today it is emerging from the abuses of individual member countries, and the rights and freedoms they should observe, and the european union does not see

the tools inside the european union are effective enough to convert them to the path of truth, so we will try to monitor it externally, and with regard to those who plan to join, i am convinced that in the near future, when the results of such an assessment are made public regarding ukraine, we will see that we have seriously rolled back from the achievements we had until recently, at least before the start of a full-scale invasion, and thought that some of them were absolutely irreversible, but we see that we are losing simply catastrophically and in those things that are called freedom of speech, freedom of mass media. unfortunately, we are losing in those things that we were so proud of, which gave us additional stability in the face of a full-scale attack by the russian federation , such as decentralization, a huge number of processes are being centralized today , we are losing the balance of vlad, that is, we are losing

the independence of branches of vlad and this will definitely , unfortunately, affect the speed of ukraine's movement towards the european union. if you got a call from brusova fondolyani, ms. ivana asked. what should i do? close your eyes. well, there is a unique state of affairs today. okay, ukraine, we will enroll in ukraine conditionally, as you know, everyone studied in universities. yes, and others say no , you must strictly follow all procedures regardless of no, no conditions above conditions and specific conditions and you just have to well, because if you get into this

sphere of europe in the economy in human rights in politics. well, you are a redistribution of power and so on and so on. then you were entering all the doors, no, no, they just don't open for you to say, mrs. ursulai. i would say that today we fundamentally need negotiations with the european union to be open, because this it is a window of opportunity that will allow the european union to become a much more active participant in the processes that ukraine and the transformation processes that ukraine must carry out in order to join the european union. but at the same time, i would say that already today it is about our of the reform agenda in relation to, well, support from the point of view of the blow of further integration to us as a country. unfortunately, it is necessary to set strict conditions, because that is the language

of conditions that our government understands. obviously, this should not apply to either military aid or aid from sanctions, further pressure on russia the federation and political assistance , but there are other ways in which it is possible to align, let's say, by looking for diplomatic terms of the behavior of ukrainian authorities in order for it to meet the high bar set for it by our troops, see the united states appointed as a special representative for the economic recovery of ukraine , and here again there are two readings.

restoration, what do you say about this, well, such a micro-discussion? look. obviously, both of these are not here , there is no, there is no, there is no view, only from one side. er, and the plans and opportunities of various players from different countries who are already helping us today, and very carefully create a high-quality monitoring system, and how ukraine uses those funds. moreover, i believe that this monitoring system should be not only through the involvement of our external partners is what we see, well, because of such an appointment . and this should happen with the serious involvement of ukrainian domestic players, in particular, and civil society, in particular, and the local government of the parliament as a real body that

represents another branch of government. the government is not executor of the whims of the executive power, in particular, the office of the president, all these things should work and i hope that ah , well, such an appointment is about this, including thank you very much ivana klympush sensation of the people's deputy of ukraine, head of the committee on the integration of ukraine into the european union now advertising and then poland , this is the sequence, but advertising is still in the first place, while the pain can become an obstacle on foot, pain in the knees is gone. try the dolgit cream . dolgit relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. yellow cream for pain in the joints, it is difficult to talk about what you feel when you have urinary incontinence, an unpleasant situation can

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borkovsky nayspresso ukrainians romanticize freedom this is how it was in our tradition volya freedom is like air, something that you can't touch, but without it you can't breathe, and on the one hand, it's really like the classics, because it's not a zloty, comparing all the gold against freedom, it's just a swamp, but only now, when they try to conquer us again metaphorically and literally when they try to capture or destroy only now did the understanding come freedom has a price and its excessive

juice must be paid for and we pay eastern europe of the polish institute of international relations to you there, mr. serhii , what else does he say in russian ukrainian language translations, no, mr. daniel, we had to ask for a good evening. greetings. well, you see, in the ukrainian language, in the ukrainian language , an interpreter will not be needed today

, well, you see, mr. mykola was just worried , i need to know who we are with, under which language i speak. to take place and the european commission does not continue the ban on the import of ukrainian grain poland does it unilaterally consequences of mr. daniel well, it seems to me that there are three main uh very interesting things as you can read in the consolidated eurocom first of all, there is a confirmation that there was a rapid increase in the export of ukrainian grain from ukraine to central europe, and the second factor is a confirmation of the fact that all the restrictions that the countries of central europe then introduced on fence well, it worked on the import of ukrainian grain, that’s what the commission says that there are no more than three agreements on the balance on the domestic market, and these fences, like ukraine, promised to carry out

licenses and all different legal measures to limit exports for export control this is not a confirmation of the fact that in ukraine there is an awareness that the problem remains the same, since i understand now, the soviet minister said that in one unilateral order , restrictions can still be introduced together with other countries, there are slovakia, hungary and romania , 4 countries remain in the region. well, we will see how long it will last. and in general, will there be any more negotiations between poland and ukraine ? the situation of this conflict because poland is defending its economy, obviously, ukraine is also defending

its economy, obviously , as well as hungary and romania and slovakia are all defending their economies and this is a dead end. there is an economy and a war and we have yes, this is true , it does not mean that poles have no rights , polish farmers should not work or, uh, slovakian or romanian or hungarian. so i don't see it yet, but here it is possible for you from the polish side to abandon these measures . well, it's not only a political problem . of poland's grain, and it increased threefold, this was even before all the protests started, as i see here on the screen right now , and everyone can see what they can see

, that is, even before that there were already problems in the domestic market, and i understand these measures after all, and remain and not not it is not necessarily a political reason although now this is part of a voluntary campaign in poland it seems to me that poland and ukraine together have more through the polish-ukrainian border there, in the future, the grain can go to the ball country or to other parts of germany, other countries , as well as the transit will be transferred through the polish territory here, too. i draw attention to the fact that poland, together with ukraine appealed to the european commission about the euro the commission supported and in the financial plan, various measures that are directed precisely at increasing this transit well, it is generally needed well, yes, i would say a large -scale modernization of the infrastructure, and

in ukraine, yes, in poland, even the transcript infrastructure is this all this is needed somehow there and well, before transferring from the ukrainian side to a on the roach side of the border and i understand that it takes a lot of time it takes a lot of money and yes this is a difficult situation well i have no other way out yet see, well, on the other hand, there is already a fairly simple matter, should poland, in principle, be a member of the european union, believe that it protects its economy by violating the relevant agreements that the union concluded with ukraine , including the association agreement. well, if germany starts to protect its economy in this way, let's say from the members of the european union how does poland protect from countries that have signed association agreements what will be left of the polish economy i apologize well here i am with you in principle

they agree on two examples the first a-a when in 2015 ukraine introduced a ten-year moratorium on the export of roundwood, he also violated the agreement and the press, as without a doubt , this is how it works, such a decision can be appealed in arbitration and so because it was made by the european commission, and the ukrainian decision was appealed, i want to remind those that ukraine and then in the arbitrated case, they also lost the same well, a similar similar decision is now on the ukrainian side, on the ukrainian side, if the ukrainian government wants to appeal to the polish polish decision here , as for me, firewood is open until then, that is the possibility exists yes and still i draw attention to the situation of the european union, after all, there is still a small window of opportunity to act in one direction in order there is one, and it applies precisely to economic products, one very important condition the country must warn the european commission so that it

introducing unilateral measures and such a warning from the polish lesson was , after all, if the ukrainian side is not difficult. trade organizations, yes. well, here it is, and here it is already a decision by the ukrainian authorities, but i, in principle, they agree that you definitely violate it. until it is proven in court, well , not here. i did not say that it definitely definitely violates the rules of the agreement on association what is the point? is this a proportional solution? i am 100%. they said that there is always a problem here . is it a proportional solution to the problem? well , let's see, daniel, look at another question. i remember the 90s, when poland aspired to join the european union

, then agriculture was enough an acute question because poland is a strong agricultural country, among other things, the same as today and ukraine , among other things, it is also agricultural, so can ukraine learn something because there was envy. i remember that the ukrainians were jealous of the poles because the poles seem to have something it is unique that they found such a road that allowed polish farmers to earn and the european commission gave a lot of money to cover the difference between the internal and external market, i am a small economist, i would say frankly, but that is the impression from your words that if ukraine tripled its production in poland already in the 21st year, what will happen after the end of the war and the revival of agriculture, then in general all european countries will close the market from

ukraine, because we have a lot of agricultural goods. what should we do and how can we learn in poland? if there is something to learn, i agree with you. the first conclusion about poland's membership in the european union is he pressed e-e. i consider the conclusion negative, that is, to this day, and polish farmers do not exist on in the internal market of the european union, they do not work according to the same rules as farmers in western europe. i am referring to the additional payments for farmers, that is, in france and germany, they are still higher than the additional payments received by polish farmers, that is, in the internal market . as you can see, there are equal and more equal farmers. i'm afraid, but i guess i can say it honestly, this is the conclusion. what can ukraine do so that, perhaps, if it goes to the european union in many years , ukrainian farmers will not

exist on the domestic market of the european union for level by the rules and with other farmers. well, you remember when poland became a member of the european union, we all monitored how german purchasing companies bought raw milk, how they moved from one polish voivodeship to another, bought raw materials there and the prices increased, so it started in wroclaw and ended in the end as of forest crops , so what happened and what happened to the german milk producers? high-quality but much cheaper products, and if this is what is expected of polish milk producers now, if ukraine joins the european union, then it is worth mentioning my own experience, well, this is exactly what i am saying. the first thing about today is that the polish farmer does not work according to

the rules with the farmers of western europe . the second is important. experience and you told vitaliy about this simply standard here is exactly what is called the situation with the standards and standards of ukrainian grain, which was now entering the polish market well, there was already a problem with sanitary grain that remained in in poland, after that, traders sold it in the lower part of the country. well, a completely different type of grain, which hm had, should have been sent to a . on a completely different measure, that is, i am so, er, now, well , i am looking at the words of er, minister robert telous , who said a about the fact that we need to work out various agreements now, we need to work out a mechanism that will allow in the future to accept, to integrate, to accept ukraine into