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and caring people in the evening nayspresso welcome to the espresso channel what does the word replicator mean in my opinion it is something about the reproduction of a repetition of an already existing one and this is the name the new pentagon program announced by the us deputy secretary of defense ketley hicks, this program is now being actively discussed by american military industrialists and congressmen. in the us army, marines, navy and air force , one quote from the speech of the us deputy secretary of defense on this topic in ukraine is given. we have seen

what low-cost, accessible systems are capable of. the aggressor from achieving his goals allow to have fewer people in the line of fire and can be produced , deployed and modernized with the speed of uncomplicated technical maintenance so, the united states decided that the key element of american defense in the near future will be a significant number of autonomous systems in various domains on the ground, in the water and in the air, in space, but this is a certain emergency program, because the replicator is clearly focused on countering china, because as it was stated, the main advantage of china there is a mass , i.e. more ships, more missiles, more people, so the best answer was recognized as the need to bet on innovation, and

the most correct form of innovation is actually these drones, which, together with means of communication intelligence or strike capabilities, provide this counterbalance to china in the near future , and because of this, i had a desire to discuss this initiative of the united states and its extrapolation to the needs and capabilities of ukraine, because the army of our enemy, the russian federation, has a mass advantage over our armed forces, so what prerequisites do we have for working to start our own replicator and how to scale what has already been done and became an impetus for the pentagon , we will talk about this in our military program with our ukrainian experts who have strong expertise and experience in this field, my name is serhiy zhorits, i am the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with the espresso channel, seeks to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense, and now we are joined by denys hongopoly - he is a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund

and the head of the unicorn nest company, mr. denisov . i congratulate you. i am glad to see and hear the broadcast of the stress channel, and i am again surprised by your good mood to which you will answer our questions. good day, in fact, he made a rather long introduction to explain to our viewers what exactly is the purpose of the american replicator program, and i would like to hear your assessment of how adaptive the approach is for the ukrainian side. can we go too ? in this way, relying on our capabilities, uh, well, first of all, we are already almost going this way, this way, but well, look , i could grow these startups for the last almost 20 years. i am also engaged from the point of view of what is now uh

even if we look at the kamikaze drones that ours use in semi-vibrons, well, this is almost low-track in drones . well, there is nothing there that would be, well , quite modern, but here, as in any startup, as they say in our industry , it is better to innovate - it is an innovation of the business model , and now we have an approach that uses asymmetry, yes, that is, we have to use the cheapest tools that can cause a big damage well, when we look at the test how much does it cost even the most expensive drone and what it can destroy

equipment . well , for example, our naval drones against ships that cost millions and tens of millions of dollars there, yes, here we can purchase and produce a large number of trays of equipment. yes, but to cause a great deal of damage to the enemy, first of all, and secondly , this methodology substantiates the fact that if this technique can be used by any person at the front, yes , you can learn to control the epihydron very quickly, yes these are skills that need to be mastered, but this is us now we are talking about days and weeks versus er months and years if we are talking about, for example, f16 because we will use pilots

whom we have trained for several years and now we will train them for several months, but we have instru- well, not with us, but in any army that has begun to use more modern equipment has the opportunity , firstly, to adopt it very quickly, and secondly, it has almost no resistance from the opponents , they have fish and other protection, but it is not widely implemented. well, we can to use in the conditions of technological limitations of our opponent, yes, they have the opportunity to buy these drones and produce them, and even rockets, but in very limited quantities. and in our country, when we do not have an economic and technological blockade, and we have

the help of our partners, we can do this to produce well, that is, this is an asymmetric approach and it already works , i talked to the guys from the front. during our war, before a full-scale invasion, it was a hypothesis, but such technologies were never used anywhere on the front . and now, firstly, they are used , secondly, they are used massively. and this makes it possible to study their tactics and strategy of use, and based on this, our partners and we can build new methods of fighting and even if military wars are somehow so absolutely true because in fact it is our practice that tested the hypothesis of the mass use

of drones and was just the impetus for this the replicator program, what the deputy defense minister of the usa spoke about, and now relying on yours, as a person who has been involved in startups of various purposes for a long time, now closer to military topics, what are the main problems now from the point of view of the promotion and development of military startups, are foreign business ready english and investing in our military projects is one constituent question, and the second question is how to ensure the scaling of those solutions that are considered breakthrough or effective, what are the main problems at these two stages. well, let's start with the second one. yes, because the first one is more like that . well, it's a difficult, difficult question, and there will be a long answer. what i see is that i don't have a solution now. first, secondly, i don't have to influence

it. thirdly, i don't see all the pictures together, yes. that is, these are my thoughts, which are exclusively mine . well, i met with more than 200 not companies, but groups of people, organizations or companies they produce anything that flies. yes, there are somewhere close to 300, more than 200, but no, not 300, but approaching 300. that is why there are different amounts of solutions and uh, money that is from volunteers of the state and in commercial institutions, including investors, is scattered over a large number of projects and this is a problem, because if we had an unlimited market

, well, for example , there are literally millions of startups in china, and they are fighting for a large amount of money and so on . here we have one ministry of defense. there are several donors in them who, well, there are funds on hearing what kind of plants do you know? now we have a problem that, uh, i would now choose several solutions that, uh , have shown themselves very well on the battlefield, and i would finance their powerful scaling. what i see now, i see now , uh- it is enough to attract financing for projects that have just started , and they will start the path that several dozen startups have already taken and achieved something. so, it seems to me that now there is no

balance and no, let's say, synchronization and the lack of a strategy for what and how we produce it is the main one the problem is from one side from the other side. i would not risk building a large enterprise for the production of drones of any military equipment. there were risks that something would fly there if they were built in protected areas. well, for example, in kyiv, in the kyiv region here everything is putting the population at risk ah and if even in our air defense system works very well if there is a motivation to attack more densely with rockets or uh there with these scooters yes, then this will endanger the security and if they are built separately, then it will be impossible

to protect them but uh, we have a problem with scaling, we already have products that have shown themselves very well , and uh, i know several companies, several teams that are currently trying to build production in poland or the czech republic or the baltic countries so that they are there in conditional and dangerous conditions and can supply already manufactured equipment to the front, here it is, according to the second question, the answer to the first question is actually very unpleasant and i am very pessimistic here because most of the investors i talk to say that the absolute majority and probably 100% of startups those of us who work for vii will end when the war ends and this is a problem for them, because the only customer now , well, we have a conditional one, the ministry of defense. well, ok

, the ministry of defense, yes, and the needs of our military, yes, they are financed by the ministry of defense, volunteer funds and other organizations, oh, but when the war ends, these orders will disappear, and if we invest now , that's what the investors tell me. if we invest in such companies, we will lose money, that's why they want to finance companies that have prospects in global markets. and what would it be like to have prospects in global markets? in addition to engineers and production, they need two things. the first is compliance with international military standards . and this is very expensive production . well, for example, we calculated for one startup that spent on resources the development of half a million dollars in order

to do what they do, but it met international military standards, they need to invest another 2 million dollars, and they hesitated for a long time and decided that they would spend these 2 million dollars on the production of what they have, so that it is destroying muscovites right now, and not improving there, and this is the first problem that ours are not ready to invest money, time and effort to meet these standards ; secondly, if the company is focused on global markets, so the team should have people who have experience working in these markets, that is, investors want to see, in addition to products that meet international standards, a person who has won or participated in

military tenders in any country and understood how it works the kitchen is because our it people are very optimistic, even those who have experience in the global it business, but selling drones to malaysia, for example, is much more difficult than selling it solutions, even from a complex company like ibm, for example. yes, and we have no experience of working in international markets, we have no experience of work , experience of production of products that can be sold to the ministry of defense of other countries, and now it is starting to affect our internal financing, because our people who are ready invest one, two, three million in military startups, and they have a question. and what happens next, because with this money you will not really do something so revolutionary? and the next round of financing

cannot be involved, because the two conditions that i just mentioned have not been met, and these are some uh, it's a trap for us. until well, we're working on it. yes, now we have several interested former top employees of uh, military companies of big companies. well, you know. yes , silicon valley, it grew, including from military projects, and there is an office and honeywell and other companies that are from the valley and draw talent from the same place where google and apple draw them, but the former officials of these companies are already looking closely at ukrainian projects in order to go there as a-a from everyone to a consultant who will help

to do something to them what will be able to be sold on global markets, this is the first and second, we already have examples of cooperation of small companies that produce non-drones and separately , for example, solutions for drones with companies that produce drones so that it is possible to attract these technologies, these developments for use in already existing large products that are supplied to various ministries of defense. well, to sum up what we concluded for ourselves. and the number of innovative solutions that are present in these developments is actually minimal and the number of these real know-how is not enough for our foreign partners there

did the business people look at this market as a large-scale market and they selectively choose those companies where they can really see something there and then grow it and accompany it. we also have a small number of failure raid 99.7%. that is, 997 companies out of every thousand go bankrupt and now what i see, i see a raid in our military. it is much better than in the industry as a whole, because our engineers and developers have access to the front and they can test their solution literally the next week after they invented it there, yes, and this, these, these fast iterations , that development, testing, improvement, yes, this is something that is not currently available in the world, and we have a separate solution,

for example, when you build a drone, a new drone can’t do anything. they can't invent anything because, well, this technology is very old, but if you develop, for example, something like a computer in vision for existing drones, then you have very big advantages over, for example , american companies in which the cycle of iterations it takes weeks, not weeks, but months or years, and ours can be tested very quickly, that is, if such projects move very slowly in our country, there is really very little innovation, in the elements and in small teams that solve a-a small but very difficult tasks that were not solved now there is a broth that is boiling and from which i see a very large number of very interesting examples, and we could give certain examples

because it is, in particular, forests, a company there where your friend anton skrypnyk creates there are also robotic platforms and others that now have their sights set on the foreign market as well, these directions are promising , robotics, such things, yes , that’s all. look, everything has prospects, and we now have such an interesting situation that in some yes, in some industries, there are question. and we are a ukrainian producer. well, we have only just started. what else is there, but it may have some shortcomings. but uh, if we compare it with our global competitors, we are already used at the front. yes, we will not test them on polygons we use on

at the front they have combat operation and they have feedback from the military and we have already made three iterations and it can somehow break er break some stereotypes and even classic schemes in the military business, but i must note that the projects we are talking about now are so interesting they did not originate in er-er tank during the war, yes, well, for example, if you look at the developments there of the same skrypnyk , the date. these are projects that are several years old and there. well, i even companies that make drones there. okay, something that flies and tangentially to that well, when i ask, when did you first hear about starting to do something? usually it's after the start of the war, and that is

, there are people who have been working on this topic for a long time. i see here a very big opportunity for cooperation, by the way. yes, because people who have jobs can attract enthusiasts who have a keen eye . such explanations for included in our broadcast, i hope that we will continue our discussion in our next programs, and i will remind our viewers that we are their interlocutor, denys longopolyi is a member of the supervisory board of the city startup fund and the head of the company, and then we will continue our program after the information break, we will talk about what specific examples of initiative solutions have been developed by our other companies that also correspond to

military high-tech and are conceptually invested in those approaches that the united states is currently trying to implement in as part of its program, the replicator after the informational pause, the museum of terror, the jewish ghetto of lviv, was transformed by the soviet occupiers into a prison that led to the goal of a better example of the symbiosis of two totalitarian regimes . the nazis created this ghetto to destroy the jewish population of the city. from this place, there was one the path to the death camps

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