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, will he be able to lead so from biden about the transfer of long-range missiles , helps the occupiers, new details about the intervention of ilon mask in the work of sterling during the ukrainian counteroffensive, or forgiveness , the american government defied self-government, an alarming summit outcasts what the meeting between vladimir putin and kim jong-un showed about this and other things we will talk about in the next hour with the politician and diplomat valery chel but before we start with him our big conversation let's see how the armed forces of ukraine freed andreyivka in donetsk region according to the reports of the general staff, the ukrainian military eliminated 470 invaders and destroyed 13 tanks, let's see your entire personnel either fled the battlefield or were killed

, and two of your battalion commanders, namely medved and sheika, were killed. we know that the avangard group is now in two houses, and we offer you to surrender one at a time, simply because we need an exchange fund , if you do not make such a wish, we have you in we have more than enough for this, it was the appeal of the armed forces of ukraine to the occupiers who did not want to surrender . well, as we can see in the result, andriyka was taken by the armed forces of ukraine. for those who are now watching us live on youtube, we invite you to take part in the survey today we are asking you about the following question: why are the deputies banned by the upsj still sitting in the rada options for the answer it is beneficial for the authorities it is beneficial for putin the cache decides everything and your

answer option please leave it in in the comments under this video. so today's guest is a politician-diplomat , ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2014 in 2015-2019 valery chaliy mr. valery i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes let's start shufrych ago that shufrych is in the tape and in the information field quite a lot today in connection with his treason with the suspicion that the security service of ukraine announced to him , that he is suspected of having collaborated with the former people's deputy volodymyr sivkovych, who managed the work of the head of the main department of the sbu in crimea

, oleg kulinich , and shufrych incriminates what he voiced in the information field of kremlin propaganda narratives for those who may have forgotten who shufrych is. in electoral district number 70, he joined the sdp. since then , they joked on the sidelines of the parliament that nestor ivanovich has a mobile phone with only one button for receiving calls from viktor medvedchuk in 2004, during the presidential elections, shufrych was a representative of the candidate viktor yanukovych, that's when he threw himself into a cec fight with opponents from our country. shufrych was twice elected to the verkhovna rada on the list of the party of regions , twice during yanukovych's time, he was the minister of emergency situations and also held the post of deputy secretary of the national security council in 2010 , lost the ministry of the chair for the second time due to conflicts with the then head of the presidential administration , serhiy lyovochkin, a year earlier, after the meeting of the faction of the first freddy struck right

alovochkin, yanukovych's assistant, mentioned this to him a year later, in 2005, 18 criminal cases were initiated against nestor shufrych, but none of them were brought to court. he was accused of abuse of office, violation of legislation during gas extraction, illegal privatization of real estate, bribery of voters on january 16 in 2014, he voted for dictatorial laws, a package of anti-democratic laws that significantly limited the rights of citizens and freedom of speech over early elections to the verkhovna rada in 2014, he ran for in november 2017, the opposition bloc joined the party based on the lists of the party. it was founded by a former member of the opposition bloc , vadym rabinovych, from the opposition party. shufrich ran for the verkhovna rada of the ninth convocation. nestor ivanovich claims that he has a green belt in karate. in 2008, he publicly challenged the then leader to a duel state administration of affairs valeriya geleteia, however, this fight never took place, instead ivanovich posed for tv cameras with his coach on september 30, 2014, the green train

did not save shufrych in odesa, he got there under the arm of nestor shufrych's godfather, medvedchuk's wife, oksana marchenko, in july 2017, together with boxer volodymyr klitschko, she baptized the daughter of nestor ivanovich and his third wife, kateryna . shufrych was mentioned so briefly because it is clear that shufrych has been in ukrainian politics for quite a long time and he is only the tip of the iceberg of infection, which is called upszh. because there are more than 4,000 people who were elected from this party in the ukrainian government at different levels, this party is now banned in ukraine and the pro-russian network still continues to operate because these people are in power. what do you think, why is this happening? valery i usually do not comment on internal issues because my field is foreign policy, so let me

comment from the point of view of russia , first of all, the pro-russian position of nestor shufrych has been known for a long time and he is one of the few such do you know people who for some reason did not even change , or to be honest, until 2010, i think there were many illusions that something with russia could somehow be resolved without war, but nestor shufrych is all active and the person is lobbying russian interests, and this is known, he always tried to do it somewhere without going beyond the law, well, even these anti-nata balls that were launched into it seemed to be within the law, but the dictatorial laws were completely out of bounds. well, i will tell not only the old parable, but also many people now they just go to the parliament absolutely calmly, they work with the new office of the president

, as they worked with the administration of the previous president, by the way, i did not shake hands with these people starting from the maidan, but they were perceived normally. they are in the ukrainian that's why i'm more concerned about politics here, not about the footage, who's the best man, the suitor, and the brother. and by the way, i'll say right away that this is my personal position. and how does the footage of the search get into the media, here 's shufrych, anyone, why is this happening? i don't know if it's right or we can see that's all when you have to show a picture from the screens and that's all that's there, they didn't know about it and where did it come from and everything is fine with you shufrych's laws about his towers, we know boyk's towers yes and shufrych's towers you know in this and when i go there in poltava oblast there i

see, they tell me there, well, there's nothing shufrych there either will someone analyze this or do you just want to raise it somehow? right now there is only one topic, so you know, i am more concerned about why it was brought to the point that such a person remained only the head of the committee of the new government, already in the parliament, freedom of speech is not just a committee - it is a committee that has always played along with a very important the role of why the parliament and the majority in the parliament did not care that such a person, let's say, well , of course, he does nothing for freedom of speech, and that is why it may have been useful, that is, i am interested in another question, how long before that i i remember the beginning of the war and the large-scale invasion right there. shufrich was caught red-handed. i want to remind you that he was simply captured by the territorial defense and handed over to the hands of justice, what is called, and after that no action, that is, i think that we will draw conclusions based on the results for

me shufrit is this a person who absolutely lobbied for the interests of russia, and during the war, which is really important in this interpretation , because they really consider treason and new laws in a completely different way from the pro-russian position than it was before 2014 and second point, i really hope that all these accusations of treason are clearly documented and from a legal point of view will be perfected because we don't need the show, we need results and when i say that there are people in the parliament who are not brought to justice, there are such stories that, not far from shukhevych , they are far from that and they are free people . that is why the president has the political will . a majority is possible and the issue is resolved very quickly

. if desired, political issues and legal ones once again i say this is my subjective opinion. i am sure of this, although nestor shufrych, at least another person, a citizen of ukraine, should use the maximum rights. well , i think that the provision of rights in these conditions and -and i am worried about whether or not this show is being made. i really hope that our anti-corruption bodies will look at his activities, our bodies for fighting economic crimes will look , but only we will see it in the picture . well, in the end, the logical solution is already immature it has long been necessary to remove the freedom of speech committee from the committee, but not to liquidate the committee, because there are such desires, because tomorrow we will see in the newspapers foreign russian police officers

or russian information. shufrich was removed because he fought for freedom of speech. and who do we know this last name, who got it and why ? there is no doubt that there are a lot of questions about the photo that was made public today during the search of nestor shufrych's home, but in parallel with this, from this story, which is unfolding in front of our eyes igor kolomoisky has already been informed of the third suspicion and he too today the court has to increase the amount of the bail because he was announced a new suspicion and this suspicion hm predicts what kolomoisky is accused of forging documents for the transfer of funds of the organization of seizing other people's property by means of an organized group especially large amounts of property acquired and disposed of, in respect of which the circumstances actually indicate that it was obtained by criminal means, there

we are talking about an amount of up to uah 6 billion illegally takeover and this is also very much a question, how is everything alive in the information field, that is, there is shufrycha, who was set up as a torpedo, there is a third suspicion of ihor kolomoiskyi, who joined and did a lot for zelensky's victory in the elections, and we know that there was a story from pandora's papers the scandal with offshore companies, where it was proven that about 40 billion dollars was pumped through these offshore companies that belonged to zelenskyi's entourage and were not used by kolomoisky, so the only thing i can agree with you on here is that there should be verdicts, there should be a court guilt must be proven, although in history it seems to be a shambles. well, everything here was obvious starting from 2005 or the 4th year, when actually

there were these 18 criminal cases , it seems there. that's why after 20 years now charges are brought against him and there are some drafts of agreements from 2014. i think you also saw these pictures about the elections. russia should be radically changed by nestor shufrych. this is not about e-e lobbying of ukrainian interests there, this is clearly a pro-russian politician , that is, it is clear that some laws have changed, martial law, and that is why i understand why right now. in such

an article, there is suspicion of treason. i am only talking about what should happen then level of action, because what nestor shufrych stated was a large-scale invasion. i remember very well how many people nearby also stated this, that is, i think that then it is necessary to draw conclusions and make a final conclusion that these people who stated this about some mythical laboratories about the fact that russia should surrender about what is necessary well, there are many such questions against the ukrainian national position, that is why they really have to answer why are they immediately under criminal prosecution and not political decisions, this is for me the question is because what is mature is really what is mature is a political verdict uh this kind of politics they cannot

be not only in the ukrainian parliament during the war with russia they should shut up now shut up sit deep changing clothes, all these admiral suits, and not being the head of the committee of the parliament, you understand and i’m cool to get into your personal life, like that, start right away, show the documents, show the conclusions and court decisions, first of all, and make a result, not just a show, i don’t well, you know a little bit how people say and asked me about this today, too, whether it won't end. just like this, it's just a picture on television about all the people who made their fortunes simply by stealing from the ukrainian people, that is, they show it like this they live and show what they have appropriated. and we already understand that all this did not happen in a ministerial or parliamentary position, so i think so

, that is, probably where did it come from? it can start from that, that's why my position is like this, i don't want to know e- so that ukraine turns into a show, how do we successfully catch those people who, in principle, have been asking to be removed for a long time , that would be wrong, we still need to be a legal democratic country and start with breaking the law from theft from corruption and then already showing medals there or not the admiral's coats are there, i understand all that. but do you remember with whom shufrych was photographed in such coats? and those people are walking around calmly now, yes, i am not defending him, he knows, i spoke very harshly to him, there were people who understood him right away and

even uh, he's like a man, uh, that's how they would respond to his remarks as a journalist . i'm glad that we finally, well, i'm glad that you know many i see many citizens, finally, is this a russian agent or a pro-russian politician, so he will already get his money, well, in principle, this can be understood, but i would like everything to be legal, absolutely legal, just another case that was mentioned today. this is a case of committing treason and providing assistance the russian federation to carry out subversive activities against ukraine, against yanukovych and azarov, we are talking about the so-called kharkiv agreements, the dbr employees have already completed a special pre-trial investigation regarding the former president and the prime minister and proved that

they deliberately carried out these kharkiv agreements in 2010, but at that time the speaker of the parliament and many deputies who ratified these agreements, which ultimately led to that russia has increased the contingent of its troops on the crimean peninsula, if in february 2014 it was key to putin's decision to annex the crimean peninsula, why is it taking so long for you to deal with this case, because 13 years have already passed and it is clear that we understand the consequences of these kharkiv agreements and we understand what role they have played in our recent history. well, i am not immersed in these matters. i do not know what is happening there because i know that this was the first time an attempt was made

to investigate the situation a long time ago. perhaps the period is correct. chosen because i remember that precisely since 2010, with the arrival of yanukovych, our foreign policy was changed in favor of russia, i know this personally, because then the resignation from the position of deputy minister of foreign affairs was not a political resignation that now, namely, with the disagreement with the decision of the yanukovych government, they handed over the country to the russians, and from this moment on, it is really necessary to consider some kind of analysis of the situation, as ukraine seemed, because if we go deep into the 90s, we will go back, it is possible for us er, we will analyze the relations between ukraine and russia in a completely

different way, which existed at that time, but since 2010, the kharkiv agreements were such a very significant event that really broke through the knee, and those who contributed to this must answer, it is true, the only thing that i i will say that it is not so easy to prove treason when there are, as you said, a lot of people involved, collective decisions, and well, there is a personal decision and there are collective decisions , so it seems to me that according to some officials of that time talk about the constitutional gritchenko, who is also now under suspicion and abroad , he was with one of those who signed it, and well, as a member of the government, but it will be very difficult to prove treason, but with regard to some of those who really

were in contact as an agent with russia and all that so i'll tell you, these people remain. they work in such strange ukrainian structures, and i don't understand this approach. on the one hand , we seem to be saying that it's all being investigated on the other. that the society will know. they are all still for some reason or useful for one or another government, and i am not saying today's government or today, i was always surprised by this, and well, such people, they always adjust in relation to the kharkiv agreements, i think that if the investigation is over and there will be dots on those, it will be very good in order to do this, you know , a safeguard against similar actions in the future, from officials or deputies, because

the deputy is in the parliament. to think about the country and not only about the article of the criminal code, by the way, this is my opinion. i think that it is right to take into account all the circumstances, those who come, er, presidents change the government and change, they should look , open the eyes of the pages of history, see what there is no need to do it and then everything will be fine, then people will gain such experience not through their company, but because of the fate of others, then ukraine will be faster, i hope , valeria, today vladimir putin met with alexander lukashenko, the self-proclaimed president of belarus flew to the president of russia after the meeting of the latter with the leader of kimny of north korea and lukashenko in this case acted as a communicator or a person who was trying

to relay everything putin wanted to say through him could not say who was involved in the far east, lukashenko immediately suggested to putin that it should be divided into three, that is, to create some kind of new conditional union between two or three countries . let's listen to what the proclaimed president of belarus said. i was already there as a friend, they visited the wound with oxygen . i think that we can think about the cooperation of the radiodet on the three of them. north korea, russia. i know that it is interesting that the koreans have huge ones for you. работы и беларусь will be found there, taking into account those problems that well, it seems to me that

they can only divide the bench into three, well , that's the maximum that they can do. and if you're serious, mr. valery, here, i'm the prototype of this axis of evil, like what belarus actually formed russia and now north korea or hmm, this is an exaggeration in this case about the fact that this new visa, which was once about the soviet union, but now it has recovered in a new way, is a group of countries that have long been considered pariahs in international politics, some of them are defined by different sponsors of terrorism, well, that is, in principle , there are not many of them, it is north korea - this is russia, which, by the way, must give a legal assessment for terrorist actions. i really want lukashenko to join here

. a country that, in principle, their place has been determined for a long time, and now they want to expand from five, at least five in the usa, identified by the sponsor of terrorism , probably want to expand to seven, and simka will be like this, uh, and i heard lukashenko will climb there, well, probably not for by their own will they are already made like that the circumstances for him already, he can't solve it all by himself. well, here it is, for the three of them, well, it's about additional weapons for the war about training . maybe on the territory of belarus, because there they are even going to train mercenaries from different countries of the world, not only wagner, i see

oleksandr lukashenko's desire or fulfillment of this, er, such a mission, i.e., he is just taking steps closer to the same thing that is already there, then , i.e., he has little left and they look very organic together in this troika , over time, add here and there and everything will be fine. by the way, after the meeting with putin and kim chenina there were many different comments about what north korea can give the russians, they said that they have a lot of projectiles since the fifties-60s of the last century and that these projectiles are not quite conventional, but during the war they then count on these soviet reserves that are still left in north korea putin himself said about the meeting with kim jong

- un this is how we will listen neighbors we never violate anything, and in this case we are not going to violate anything. well, there is absolutely no point in believing or trusting putin, because he always lies, and what he says as the truth should simply be turned 180°, er. what do you think? the situation that kim jong-un began to be friends with putin. i understand that the leader of north korea is interested in space and space programs, because he was at the eastern cosmodrome and there are some aviation factories in the far east. he visited as much as possible. perspective and to what extent the world has enough means and opportunities to monitor that north korea does not turn into a hub for the transportation of chinese weapons to russia

or the use of those weapons of old north korea, although north korea substations and russia under sanctions, what does it even prevent cooperation and receiving weapons from there, this is the most difficult issue. it is this transit of weapons through north korea, indeed, there are also weapons warehouses there, they are simply preparing for war all the time. people there starve periodically, millions of poor and without the opportunity to eat properly, but everything is invested in military development, that's why i think that the leader of north korea is interested in the technologies of pre-ballistic missiles, this is what interests them in the first place. and it's really interesting that a limousine, which i understand, will be presented to him

by the russians, well, such as putin and e- i am also sure that without chinese support of some kind, none of this is beneficial . and if god forbid, china somehow evaluated by way of... well, i wanted to say right away that this is only hypothetical. it is very convenient for korea to supply, under the guise of, certain weapons to russia, now even rubber for cars at the price of gold, that is , everything for the war, then i see that he has put everything on this war, and it is all-in, so he has humbled himself to the point of asking for military support in north korea. i think that most likely we are talking about schemes to bypass sanctions. in this regard, belarus is a