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the number in heaven i don't know i'm afraid er they would blame jimmy for 45 years. well, that's it. wow, i can go out and we can talk together , but no, i want to ask you about everything, in fact , we've known each other for a very long time, even in that life. so, i'm very glad to see mr. roman, i'm very glad see well let's start right away from this to the second war budget. that is, we understand that there is a wild deficit in the budget, we understand how much the economic situation has changed in general , and what is said that we can collect in this budget, that's the difference. where does it come from? we will be in accordance with the same law on the budget, witnesses, we see the overlapping of everything that we lack, also taking into account the fact that from the budget we have incredible expenses specifically for the turnover sector , well, it is absolutely correct to ask the question. i

think that this is the most important question today, which the government is worried about the ministry of finance of the president, see, in fact, one of the 653 million is our income from the general fund of the state budget and somewhere at the level of 200 billion. we will receive from the special fund and all of it will go to security, defense, and our expenses are three and one trillion, and you just now, the numbers that showed, well, that is , the difference is catastrophic and er, this difference is the macro-financial assistance of our partners, and this is where the biggest problem begins, see er, this year we received from our partners more we have to receive an amount somewhere in the order of 37-38 billion dollars, if they give us 3.3 billion, it will be

more than 40. i mean the americans . we are waiting for confirmation of this amount from them. 3.3 billion additional dollars, of which 18 billion euros, we received from the european union as of today, 9.5 from the americans and er received a small amount from the international monetary fund for next year, in order to make ends meet, we need approximately the same amount as we received this year, and this is where the biggest questions begin. well if you looked carefully for a reason the minister of finance of great britain came here, dignitaries came with their own from japan, there were from south korea hmm, the representatives were actually mr. blinkin, he also brought a clear position on financing uh, according to my data, as of today , i have a clear position on what the european union

is planning for the next year, we should give 9.5 billion euros, i want to remind this lesson of 18 eh , and eh, yes, the european union confirmed that it will give us 50 billion euros in the period from 24 to 27 years, but it is not broken down by year and even if we divide 18 billion equally, they will come out, and we need them very much in order to make ends meet, what will come out of all this, the following will come out if you and i remember the 22nd year, the difference between the expectation of macro-financial assistance and what we physically received the national bank of ukraine blocked the printing of money for the 22nd year, 400 billion hryvnias were printed . actually, thanks to them in quotes, today we have

the hryvnia exchange rate of 36.6 official, but in reality it is somewhere at the level of 38 with a tail of eh for the next year if there are problems, yes, by the way, in this year, thanks to macro-financial assistance, we, the national bank of ukraine, printed not a penny for next year, this danger remains due to the fact that if there is no adequate funding, the ministry of finance will be forced to print military bonds, which will be bought by the national bank of ukraine, that is , emissions, that is, these problems which we encountered in the 22nd year, in general, the next year is extremely problematic from the point of view of political changes, which are expected primarily in the united states of america in the month of november presidential elections and we understand that when it is considered a pre-election company, the emphasis of attention of both american society and the administration of the president of the united states of america will be directed a little differently, that is

, there are problems, we actually hope that the visit of the president of ukraine to the united states and his meetings with biden are aimed at establish, you know, some such anchor points for the near future of our cooperation with the united states, and p. olezhe, i still want you to decipher the e-e the cabinet approved the draft law on amendments to the law of ukraine about the state budget of ukraine for the 23rd year and we are talking about additional expenditures for the security and defense sector 302.6 billion e.e. this is a general fund for the security and defense sector and the ministry of defense 211 receives 79 it is with a small ministry of internal affairs zero whole,6 administration of the state intelligence service, the security service, he is in the strategist of the prom gur and the foreign intelligence service well, i can understand such a need during the war, at the expense of which we

can do it now in the 23rd year well, that is, where does this money come from, well , look, i understand that a certain particle will go and i.e. i think that the issue of redirecting the income tax of individuals who pay today's military personnel to the general fund of the state budget will be resolved in parallel, that is, at the moment this number is in the word about which we talked about personal income tax from local budgets, yes, vat from personal income tax from local budgets is somewhere well, 80-85 billion hryvnias, and you are sure that this decision will pass , because judging by the resistance of the local self-government and the communities that at least have a clue on the ground and understand the issue even the military did it, maybe it won't pass. maybe these numbers don't need to be taken into account at all, it won't pass. i am absolutely

sure that they will vote . there is a principled position on this matter. the budget is the receipt of funds from the redirection of personal income tax and it will be covered by a subsidy for local budgets from the central budget, that is, not in full, definitely , but partially, that is, for the next year . even no one doubts that this redirection of personal income tax will be and i think so the other part, that is, what will be missing will be obtained through the issue of war bonds, because at the moment i do not see any additional sources, but macro-financial assistance. it has clear limitations. it can be used exclusively for social needs, it cannot be directed to security defense so here is either internal borrowing or the redistribution of funds from taxes and fees that we will receive today

. we cover it with external borrowings, where you may have a deficit of those borrowings even during the financial year . in general, there are still chances to overcome this deficit deficit from some other directions, because you mentioned japan , south korea, so let's say unconventional ways of borrowing there there the sums are small there the sums are small i repeat once again the only way and cover the deficit of the deficit excuse me that's what you said i will use the only way it will be a mission of money there will be no other way guaranteed because it means that we will have hyperinflation. or how? how will it react because they set a different exchange rate for the dollar ? look, you and i had a full picture of what the economy's reaction to the enision

of unbacked money looks like. secondly, this is inflationary expectations, the growth of inflation, thirdly, this is uh, well, as a result , you and i saw there, uh, the drop in real incomes of the population, their final result of all that, but when the question is whether we will die or we will live a little poorer for sure at that time, there was no alternative. that is, everyone understood that this was a need and there is hope that the 24th year will not be so much, it was the 22nd in terms of macro-financial assistance, and i think that we will receive everything we need, by the way, look, do you remember when mr. president was asked about the economy on the military side. he very cautiously said that we will talk about this issue with society, but only when we see

the pessimism in the eyes of our partners. is about er, the provision of ukraine with these funds, which are financed er, actual social needs, what do you look at next year, our minimum wage is raised twice , first to 700, then to 8,000 uah today it is something like 700 er, the second moment er, pension indexation will be according to the law of the 18th year, that’s for sure and there will be no doubts about this. at the same time, it must be clearly understood that we have 10.6 million pensioners on whom er, well, in essence, which which is provided with a pension at the expense of 9 million working with 3 million of them - this state employees and 6 million is a business, that is, at the moment there is more than one pensioner for one working person. well, we have to understand that the only source, and there , in my opinion, uah 350 billion, is actually subsidies from the state budget in the pension fund

, otherwise we simply will not extract those numbers that actually arise so that hmm, we really need borrowing at the moment and without them at the moment, i repeat once again, we are unlikely to calmly pass the year because everything we earned in full and even what we borrowed on the domestic market, the danger of defense will be directed because there is an increase in spending on armaments and the financing of the armed forces is increasing . will fall if the correct and certain figures are not laid down, which i want to ask you about now, but looking at the project, we see that they lay down a certain inflation rate of

13.8%. this is despite the fact that you showed us the way most likely, the emission, that is, the printing of money, will be set at a rate of 41.4 hryvnias to the dollar. this is despite the fact that on the eve of this draft budget, they already said that we will switch back to releasing the dollar exchange rate there. have you seen all these changes introduced by the national bank or the parameters that we take into account on this budget whether the numbers are reliable or not at the very start birds will say dreams a good method worked out by the national bank of ukraine in order to suppress inflation this is the refinancing rate thanks to the summer months we had deflation, that is, there was negative inflation, that is, the general grocery basket is cheaper in our country, so zero bank of ukraine, please, i say this happens, even according to this, it is such a decision that we have, thanks to the weather conditions this year, despite

the fact that you and i reduced the total amount of sown areas, the total harvest will be even more than it was in the 22nd year, that is, the lord god loves ukraine well, so that no one doubts , let's be honest, so that, from this point of view, we really had a fall there in the summer food prices and inflation between august and august fell to 8.5%. despite the fact that the target expectations were at the level of 10 years ago, the national bank of ukraine twice recently reduced the refinancing rate, what is the financing rate, this is the cost of money , that is, the rate at which a commercial bank can take a loan from the national bank of ukraine, today we have 20 % per annum , if inflation will increase, if there will be uncontrolled places, controlled emission , i'm sorry, then we will increase your

financing structures, but she supports look, we have to finalize it, we have a few seconds, look, i wouldn't be so pessimistic. i think that the next year will be little different in terms of finances from the 23rd year, so i have this feeling, and well, at least until the month of september, the 24th year, and then let's see what the actual expectations will be for the presidential company in the united states of america, because in reality, in reality, we depend on the americans not only for macro-financial assistance, but also for military and technical assistance, which, in principle, is extremely important for us next year will be, in principle, you can put an end to this and it is already super -super-super optimistic for ukraine. thank you, mr. oleg penzan , an economist - a member of the economic discussion club, was in touch with us, a short pause , then we will talk about the situation in artsakh

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for the russians, the issue of armenia did not arise at all, they perceived it as an extension of the territory of russia, the border is held by the fsb of the russian border guards , the pipe belongs to their entire gazprom, let's say armenia is an extension of russia in the caucasus, yes they were watching, and then suddenly joint maneuvers of recognition of the fact that the security of armenia was wrong to rely on russia and the signing of the rome statute , as they say, a knife in the sinus, such memes are walking on the internet elihannuria, our next guest is a member of the ukrainian officers' union and the head of the defense staff of nagorno-karabakh 92 93rd year, mr. elkhan, we congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes, glory to see roman yaroslavich , mr. christov, uncle, thank you, just tell us we have already had a discussion here, even before the advertisement , how to properly name this territory and azerbaijan, which later became a battlefield and all the innovations were called nagorno

-karabakh, what is the correct way to say it? well, according to the constitution of azerbaijan, it is not karabakh at all. karabakh is karabakh, the great karabakh. and there is also its mountainous part on hirnyk karapaty, mainly armenians lived there, in particular, because of the soviet times , the autonomous republic was like this what was the autonomous region of this territory? well , what do we call donbas? khan a, please tell me if such a change took place tectonically, in particular in yerevan and in the geopolitical security plan, does this mean that we can also say that in the future this territory will return to

the borders of the sovereign borders of azerbaijan , if it were returned to the official armenia, in particular, and the prime minister the minister officially recognized karabakh as the territory of azerbaijan, this is according to international law , so it turns out, yes, yes, both heads of state recognized each other. how do they say the territorial integrity of these two countries, that is, what do we hear about the cross-border shelling was fresh just recently, including with combat casualties . at the same time, the armenian-azerbaijani border is the subject of these skirmishes. will take place, in particular, it will certainly take place

against the background of the fact that armenia is also clear that it hopes for russia to count on it. as they say, the possibilities no longer make sense. it may be bad in this case, we have information. i would like our armenian friends to hear about it, that russia is transferring wagners there, russia is transferring from karabakh , in particular, through the lachyn karidar, then to the militants, i have something, uh, our information is coming, as they say, from the homeland the historical homeland, they say, shows that armenians can be imprisoned in military institutions, although 60% of armenian citizens actually recruit the democratically elected prime minister, mr. pashinnyam, russia does not

want to leave the region, russia wants to keep this uh, two countries, well, georgia understood georgia, the authorities, uh, russian, pro-russian, let's say, uh, and in particular, in azerbaijan, armenians will do such things. tell me, please, mr. elkhan , what is your assessment of such a tilt now of the armenian leadership. the report of the russian federation is no longer a guarantor of security. how are they joking in ukraine, this is already a blow to everyone, well or not . when, in fact, the armenians can conduct military exercises in some such format , but in such a limited way, they have something in common with the americans when the kitten talks about the possibility of ratifying the treaty of rome in general

statute in armenia, well, it’s not just wings, you understand, every empire is a living organism. the russian empire is in favor of ending, so to speak. the russian empire is going to collapse, and the sober kitten, in particular, and the armenian authorities understand it. as they say, it would be desirable if in the 14th year, although they supported let's say the threads of a separate armenian officially supported er annexation separately supported there and now i think that she understood that there are no prospects to be er as a locomotive with russia as a locomotive, no prospects for the region in particular armenia does not exist. armenia should have good neighborly relations, in particular with azerbaijan . negotiations are underway with turkey in this sense. it is bad that in the 20th year of the agreement and the prime minister of armenia, president aliyev, the karabakh region was imported .

in the 20th year, when the memorandum was signed, azerbaijan guaranteed your citizens of armenian origin all the rights, all the opportunities, and the other side, that is , the side of armenia, russia had to ensure this by arming the military formation, and by the way, we during, let's say, the occupation of donbass or crimea, the same scenario will be expected. i think that if there are any international peacekeeping forces involved , what did russia not do? that you heard the press conference after yesterday's sugary speech and the speech of this charlatan, i'm sorry, yes, at the meeting with korea, the north koreans will take another

action that they will do everything not to leave the caucasus, although the balance of power is changing because the peoples are ready for cooperation and coexistence. i would say well, for now , everything depends and depends for a certain period. i think it will not take so much time to lose, but from this here in ukraine, look, you mentioned this, what warn the armenian neighbors, in particular, that the russians are being transferred there, as always , hybrid things. they are playing a very big game, as they say, from africa to the caucasus and from africa to the caucasus. the amount of miro, all plus, by transferring wagner's militants there, to commit a state military establishment and a coup in armenia

, they can do it physically because armenia is not such a big country and only 36,000 square kilometers, this is an average, such a good ukrainian region, one there is possible, it is possible to do even more after all more than even the ones for which wagner plus the so-called russian peacekeepers the fact is that mr. romane there are still russian troops on the territory of armenia, although plus these yes yes and in particular that they armed militants in nagorno-karabakh and the fact that russian troops, official troops are there, and i think that efforts will definitely be made. i am even almost sure that there will be competitions, because if russia agrees , let's say armenia from azerbaijan in russia