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understand antin borkovskyi and invitation experts soberly evaluate events analyze them by modeling our near future every saturday at 1:00 p.m. with a repeat at 10:00 p.m. studio event with anton borkovskyi nayspresso with you vitaliy portnikov and we will discuss the main events of this week vitaliy portnikov and top experts about the most striking events of the last seven days, our guest will be the general of the military , the former national security adviser of the president of the united states, donald trump , herbert mcmaster, let's cut out current topics hot questions authoritative comments and forecasts in the project information marathon with vitaly portnikov every sunday at 20:10 on espresso every day every hour every minute we receive a large amount of information what is really happening at the front what are the losses of personnel and equipment on the battlefield how
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the international community evaluates our successes in terms of style and about what is moscow lying from the flow of news coming from all over the world, we single out the most important ones . a review of only important events, events of weighty and credible events - this is analytics, fact checking, expert comments about this, much more today, about what is important in simple language, available to all viewers. welcome to the studio that on saturdays at 9:00 p.m., we continue the political club on the espresso channel khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov, and with us minister of ukraine in 2009 diplomat
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volodymyr hryshko congratulations mr. volodymyr congratulations mr. vitaya congratulations ms. khrystyna good evening to you, so let's start with the already adopted decision of the polish slovak and of the hungarian government on the continuation of the ban on the supply of agricultural products from ukraine to these countries, despite the fact that the european commission canceled these restrictions, these three governments decided to continue them, and it is interesting that the european commissioner for agricultural policy mr. wojciechowski, who is, of course, a representative of the republic of poland, said that the decision of the european commission this is a very strange definition , it was adopted under the pressure of kyiv and now in poland and in other countries they will do everything possible to cancel it or not the beginning of some kind of economic war, or an economic misunderstanding, how to get out of this situation? vitaly, how good. now ukraine , which is not even a member of the european union , is already dictating its own rules, so
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interesting times are ahead. i think that when we become part of the alliance, ukraine will be it is very good to formulate some things and for what is called the national ukrainian interest , how to learn from this situation. i think that this is, well, there is such a concept of points. for some reason it seems that we are now at the stage when countries have formulated their maximalist positions and are waiting for an answer from america soon. i think that there
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will be direct negotiations between president zelenskyi and the leaders of these countries. uh, or high-ranking officials of the countries you mentioned, i think there will definitely be negotiations with them , so it seems to me that this is a question for continuing the discussion, and the result will still be found anyway. we are neighbors, eh, we eh countries that profess the same values and fight against the same evil, so we have to look for compromises. i think that we will find them . well, if we talk about the dates when exactly this compromise can be found . can we hope that after the election fever will go away? maybe on the second plan is such a tougher position of at least poland on the import of our grain to them, you understand , diplomats, to set a deadline, it is necessary for specialists to work and to exchange
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information and exchange arguments, and i think that this will be devoted to first, the main meeting with the president of poland, and then the experts will already sit down at the table and look for solutions, well, that's usually how it is. it happens sometimes when both sides try to understand the position of the other. since we are allies and really normal neighbors, we, we must know that with the russians, well, we, well, no less, in my experience, we could practically never find a compromise, because they did not want to go for it in our case, in the case of the poles , slovaks there and our other su
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compromising it will be found complains in principles, if we talk about the architecture itself , relations in central europe, how much do you think? today, our neighbors realize that the integration of ukraine into the european union is important, because when we hear that agriculture can be a problem, the politics of historical memory can be a problem it is obvious that each country must protect its national interests , but how much better would it be to protect these national interests together in the european union and not to keep ukraine somewhere on distance in order to demand from her the fulfillment of conditions that one way or another could lead to the deterioration of relations between ukraine and neighboring states, well, congratulations, i will tell you that this is unfortunately for us, unfortunately, i repeat once again the practice that exists between neighboring european states, ask how long it lasted the dispute with north macedonia and bulgaria how long
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did it take and how long did they find a compromise ? after all, to our e-e central european and not only the partners came to understand that ukraine is a strengthening of joint opportunities and not a weakening of each specific member of the european union, although of course we have a lot of difficult negotiations ahead of us with the poles and the hungarians. the demand for us is that they actually want to create a hungarian national enclave in ukraine that will actually be managed with budapest and so on, that is
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, there will be many economic issues, much more than ideological ones, because we are ideological we can find some economic tools. it will be a very difficult negotiation job. by the way, when poland joined the european union, it also had enormous difficulties, especially in the field of agriculture. so here and there you will have to be patient , mr. volodymyrets. with president biden, they are actually planning a meeting on september 21 . the adopted law on lend-lease expires next year, although ukraine did not use the lend-lease program all this time, but it was adopted as a safeguard in case not
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everything will be completely for us in american politics. can we say that this meeting will be necessary for e- e update of the fuse format for us in our cooperation with the usa well, this is like one of the options, and i think that it is not the first, because there are still two weeks left before the end of the fiscal year. and as far as i know, it was about what the usa still has about 20 billion a maybe even a little more dollars of unused funds for aid to ukraine. so, i think that in this case, you won't need this, so to speak, spare option of help, because a new financial year begins on october 1 and, accordingly , a new one opens
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financing so, i think it's just a kind of, you know, a lifeline just in case something suddenly goes wrong, despite the fact that the americans explain that this current option is much more profitable for ukraine because it does not involve any financial consequences for ukraine is non-refundable military aid, lend-lease under all other conditions, it is still something that can somehow be returned, so this option, after all , is really the last one, and the main things at this meeting, i think, will be devoted to two to the topics of new weapons necessary for ukraine and the second topic of how to end the war for ukraine in a victorious way as soon as possible, the second topic is closely related to the first one, and precisely because of the fact that
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so far, including in the united states, there is no answer to this question, we are gradually getting the weapons we need because it is becoming more and more obvious to everyone that in the event of a quick defeat of russia on the battlefield and in the political life of russia, irreversible changes will begin, and unfortunately, we are still ready for them, so i want to ask you about this very idea of creating the position of a special representative for the economic recovery of ukraine, an exchange situation may arise. if you want money for reforms, and to what extent such an institution can contribute to this, i think that this is a very good decision, you see, mr. vitaly, we are still in a very active, difficult phase of the war
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and the european union and today the united states of america are already talking about the need to look for and create mechanisms to help ukraine, uh, well, uh, of course, given the level of our corruption, corruption, of course , for them there is a question about how the provided funds will be used and the creation of such an institution, because it is proper. don't fall for it in principle. and this is an institution that will have a serious impact on the provision of assistance and on the search. by the way, and the involvement of those who can be useful for ukraine in this regard, that's it. it seems like a very good story to me. and here is the form that you have now offered money in exchange for reforms. i think that we will have
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to accept it with great joy . moles in power who only do that in order to steal more but i think that when we are talking about such large-scale things at the state level, the institution created by the institution will help so that these moles have nothing to eat. please tell me, mr. volodymyr. in principle, how did you feel about of this report, mrs. ursula von der leyen as a success when we talk about the fact that ukraine-moldova and the countries of the western balkans already see this as such an obvious part of the future of the european union. or, after all, as a certain foreign policy defeat because ukraine ceased to be the center of attention. well, you see, mr. vitaly, in the european union
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, they look very jealously at the fact that ukraine can bypass the western balkans, as they say at the turn, because, for austria itself, not only the advancement of the western balkans to membership in the eu, it is an important national interest, they want to play the role of a certain center of power , and here a rather powerful competitor appears , the great ukraine, which bypasses all of them in the west of the balkan contenders and is going straight forward. of course, some people in the european union do not want this kind of development of events and are doing, so to speak, the steam locomotive when everyone should enter in this sense. i think that this way of posing the question is
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super positive for us because er, another year and a half back then, no one talked or thought about it at all. and today we are part of the package, and that's right. i think it's extremely important if we compare it with what they write about turkey, which has been claiming super doors for more than 20 years, then we - i am on the right track. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for this inclusion. let us remind you that volodymyr hrytsko, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, was in contact with the studio, and now we have petro shevchenko, analyst, graduate student of the zelinsky department of international economics congratulations to the university, mr. peter, glory to ukraine, let's start with the personnel problems of the chinese. how did it happen that there is already a second chinese minister? where has he disappeared? no one can find him. well, the minister of foreign affairs has disappeared for good . i think that no one has seen what he asked for since
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he was removed from his post. now the minister of defense is an unheard of situation. even from the point of view of chinese domestic political life, when a person disappears from his position without any explanation . the last time i remember this was during the time of the out -of-state means you are in the cultural revolution when this is how the representatives of the top party leadership disappeared and no one could explain. and where are they in general and where did they disappear to and do they occupy their positions, do you remember how it was with the head of the people's republic of china when he was gone for a long time and he was nominally considered the head of the state well and here's how it is now , what is it? well, you drew a good parallel regarding the disgraced defense minister, olympia, who tried to escape to the soviet union in a car, and also , well, his plane disappeared, crashed in mongolia , that is, it really is a chinese politician, uh, very strict rules of the game and the minister is the most important thing. he just like that has already disappeared and let's say he is his piece from the political
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chessboard. in general, we don't have him anymore. but he is also if, let's say, he didn't fit the format of china's foreign policy doctorate that is currently being implemented regarding li shanfu, the minister of defense himself, i think it is too early to say how events will develop, but the fact is that he is currently under a certain pressure and possibly under a certain process of checking whether he is ready for, let's put it this way, possible of the challenges facing china, first of all, this is the increase in the degree of competition by states, well, this is a fact. i think this is the first reason why this situation is happening now , when we are reducing the number of prime ministers, and the second factor is that it is possible the processes themselves inside , let's say so the strong communist party plus the army is because, well, if i had the opinion that the rifle
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gives power, that is, the company completely controls the army, and now it is possible that this process is precisely connected with the fact that the company is trying to consolidate its power, its control over the army and maybe if it was decided by other generals. they have a different vision and a different position. regarding this, if it was their efforts, it was the central government, so let's see how the events will develop. this week , the leaders of russia and the dprk putin met and how in fact, many people are wary of how siedenpin can speak with his mouth. nevertheless, china is distancing itself and the ministry of foreign affairs of china emphasizes that what exists between these two countries concerns relations only between the dprk and russia. peter, what do you think? well, we are
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we have to clearly satisfy that you obhnyan is a satellite and a movie because north korea is completely dependent on china, it is primarily trade, it is economic support because even during the pandemic, again, in the north, the number of starving people increased . there were approximately 10 million who were starving and china, if it helps economically, it will support it, it is not a lie . that is why it has a very serious semi-influential leverage on north korea, so if there was not uh, well, you can say so positive feedback from both china regarding the maneuvers er korea north korea regarding cooperation with the kremlin with an aggressor country, then its position was actually more moderate, but if north korea goes now, it goes for such cooperation , then this step is also, well, you can’t say that it is stupid, but at least beijing
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does not interfere with this, because china is also of the chinese is interested in the fact that there was an e-e stabilization-intensification e-e axis moscow pyongyang through the korean peninsula because he also does not bet on south or north korea on its strengthening because he does not like it very much er, the fact that he is now a student of chess in america, it helps to strengthen both in south korea and japan, on the one hand, this is a regional factor , and it is possible, and that is why it does not interfere, that is because, because now the south is the north , it is now trying to increase its military thank you, thanks to this cooperation with russia, we are talking about north korean weapons that can go to russia from the arsenals of the dprk army, but you understand that the korean people's democratic republic is a proxy state
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for the prc in one way or another. this raises the question of the chinese weapons cannot go through a northern country , i am not even saying that china will supply them to russia. no, he will sell them there to north korea, or north korea will accidentally confuse their weapons with chinese ones, so they can end up with these shells on the ukrainian front, and it seems to me much more it is dangerous to talk seriously about this whole situation than just supplying old north korean shells eh you are right that the dprk can become such a hub eh for supplies but again china he well from my point of view he will be very careful with these moments because he is already under a lot of pressure due to the existing schemes of gray import and parallel import through which certain sensitive goods are sent there to the russian federation.
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this is a painful moment due to the fact that sanctions will be imposed by western countries, and this is what china is trying to avoid as much as possible, because it is still not ready for such a serious confrontation with western countries, raphael. the head of megate is surprised and says i can't imagine that russia could support north korea with nuclear weapons technologies , that is, spread it there, and why do you think it is normal that the world is still surprised that such a thing is possible? well, let's start from the fact that actually all the technologies are military that kander has. they came either from the soviet union or later from the russian federation, which actually is not a problem in essence. so she transferred already outdated soviet technologies, that is, and uh, should there be any
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surprise well, you don't have a simile here because, well, in general, it's like politics, especially players like north korea, china is a hard realist and they bet on such pragmatism to the maximum and uh that's what uh kender he she becomes uncontrollable and she can to increase its military operations thanks to russia's certain military-technological assistance, this is actually a big problem, first of all, for regional security - it is seoul, tokyo, it is very worried , and the western world, it has more and more, as it were, to really understand what if this situation the architecture is changing and such countries of the dprk are not becoming more ambitious and they will simply use the opportunities , for example, to replenish their modernization opportunities at the expense of what is happening now , the russian federation is under international pressure and who else can if they were to be supported so diplomatically can support the fact that phanyan property
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has nothing to lose, so they have been there for 50 years under sanctions, so there is really nothing strange here, but there is a president that it can really be dangerous in terms of the fact that the more kandera increases the military flow, the more of course it will cause a backlash from both its states and japan and where not korea it will increase the heat in the region it is dangerous during the visa thus to russia, the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation serhiy lavrovska said that china is beautiful, together we are ready to give up sanctions on the gdr , which will be introduced by the security council of the united nations, are you not surprised that the head of the russian foreign ministry signs for another country, and no one in china is, er, i would say not very worried about this statement and does not make any comments, well, actually, were they very
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worried in china, for example, about the fact that there a court in the netherlands made a decision that in china, there is no need to increase the militarization of the south china sea or the fact that certain official high-ranking officials are western, for example, as the head of the foreign ministry of germany, she talks about the chinese model, the seika political model, that is, the autocracy there is a dictator and so on, that is in china, he still reacts to this. it is more restrained and i think that if there are certain wonderful moments there, the chinese will count, for example, some official statement, but what they are now trying to do at the geostrategic level is to cooperate with by the russian federation, well, this fact is because they see in it their own certain pessimism, although, again, we do not need to believe in such a certain weather, such a story, so with such a proposal that supposedly this
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union there is limitless, it is further. that is, after all, it is not reality because china has no actual real allies. it always plays only on its own territory. and the fact that china helps to circumvent sanctions on half of north korea. well, it’s actually quite the facts, well, it’s real, and many people know about it , there are many export formulas, various of products that bypass un sanctions and the fact that, for example, russia wants to waive these sanctions. i think that there are certain loopholes through which they cooperate with the dprk to bypass these sanctions, but why are these statements made? it seems to me that this is still another is such a maneuver is another such well, it is possible to say verbally or diplomatically, well, aggression or such hooliganism to show that here we are, we can do whatever we want, even cooperate with such well isolated crimea as the dprk and we, if by decree and position or
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certain well but in a certain way, the west's position is that it can't do that. in other words, this is the fronde , this is, again, an attempt to somehow strengthen itself, and so on. i would like to remind you that literally at the end of april , for the first time in a long time, ukraine was appointed its delegates, its representative in the people's republic of china, he then became pavlo repikin, he continues to work in this direction, mr. peter, we can make some interim results in this sense , that is, are the diplomatic representation and deep contacts really able to determine at least in some way measure our relations with the prc, this is a very good question because even despite certain let's say political contradictions because we can
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implement such a formula to determine individual chinese relations so that politically it is a cool relationship, but economically there is still a very, well, strengthened cooperation because there is an article of critical import that enters ukraine through, well, from china, it is actually chinese import , and china remains, as it were, an important trading partner of ukraine. but again still, at the political level, we have a certain cooling and this is the appointment of the ambassador, it is very important, it is little to the agricultural and cultural exhibition in shanghai. that is, this is already a positive shift in terms of advancing our agricultural and agricultural export, there are certain positive shifts, but if globally tectonic, so far, we do not see the results. i think that it is possible that
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they will be in the future and again well , with the goal, it is necessary to maintain a dialogue because , well, china it is always as if, despite the competition, for example, there is an american-thai competition, a dialogue at a high level or an additional thematic level is present therefore, let's see how these initiatives will develop. let's say this initiative , but the fact is that this appointment is a good way . and that's why he 's still a little bit, well, not very sexual, in order to improve relations with us. to what extent do you even admit that china is the answer to these numerous alliances that the united states is creating around it with south korea and japan and
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