[000:00:00;00] because it is not exclusively in the direction of the formation of political expectations, but about the specific path that leads us to their implementation, with the prime minister, in one of your recent interviews, already after the meeting with mr. stoltenberg, you said that the topic there the exchange of territory for membership in the north atlantic alliance is not a topic for discussion with the secretary general . well, because there are no such negotiations and positions at the official level, these are some separate colorful conversations. and you know there are many such backroom conversations, and the temperature in the chamber which is inside there is an unofficial er, such conversations are not conducted at the official level, even in rooms where there is no ukraine

. let's say that at the table and the negotiations again. as one of the ukrainian singers, tina karol, sings, the ability, you will always make it, this is not the thing that should be planned in general, and there are definitely no such discussions, for sure, such statements are not part of any official position, moreover , it is only about the victory of ukraine and about building a stronger, more powerful security organization. these are the discussions on which we focus, the decisions we prepare and the path we pave. actually , i think the strength of ukraine today is that we cannot waste time on any things that do not lead us to victory, and there is no point in actually spending time on discussions that have no

meaning and for us they. about the fact that all the money, all the weapons are being stolen. and this one is further produced by russian propaganda, and in what ways, by means of messages and channels , we have to convey to our partners that, well , war fatigue is an exclusively russian narrative. the soviets said that the looting of all military aid is an exclusively russian narrative. what should we turn to? attention to what is not how to filter information and what tools do you use ah well , first of all we have to judge non-negative not by the statements of many countries of the european union or countries on the other side of the atlantic are

quite intensive political processes, in particular , this leads to the fact that a lot of public discourse. with nato , this all indicates that there is a huge, and not even a credit of trust, there is a huge trust in our state, institutions, and in the political of the leader and leadership and in fact, if certain such moments or narratives arise, we always react, in particular, to the transparency of military aid , the international monitoring mission , which consists of experts, was immediately admitted to the system of the ministry of defense . they work. not just react to some narratives, we have to show with our actions, our freedom and struggle, that interest in russian

narratives should be minimized and should be focused exclusively on the a-a steps necessary for victory. please tell us that our european and nato partners are reacting in some way to our internal issues related to the return of electronic declaration to the example and the draft law that the president drafted or not. appeal without fail. this is one of the key pillars of trust, exactly what i was talking about. aid from the united states , the european union, the g7 countries, moreover, today we are preparing a big program related to the war-time and post-war recovery of our state and the recovery that needs funds, now it's all about trust , huge funds, important political decisions that must be made adopted in the capitals, therefore

, the dedication and adoption of such decisions as the decision in the field of anti-corruption policy of judicial reform in the areas of the rule of law . they are of great importance from the point of view strengthening of trust, confirmation of information in ukraine, ukraine's status and role as a bona fide, faithful and trusted partner, and of course the decision to restore electronic declaration of officials a-a is of great importance, it has already been positively evaluated of course e-e colleagues international partners understood that a-a was announced a voted decision on the fact that the register of declarations will be closed, but the president , responding to the request of the civil society of ukraine in the first place, decided to turn to parliament that such a register should be opened, and this is also a very important sign that

even despite the war, there is a certain internal exhaustion and mass suffering that we feel. every day we remain loyal to the fact that we are, first of all , a democracy. thank you for that. if you found time in brussels to join the conversation and comment on these topics, as promised to our viewers, not only nato and grain, we discussed with olga stefanishyna, the deputy prime minister, which issues of european and euro-atlantic integration

ukrainian chevrons approaching victory, our ukraine is fighting polissya holds the shield of the north all poems on heroically stands under constant shelling of the black sea coast defends the outposts of the south and the sea front on the dnieper region defends the humanitarian rear of the dnieper region provides the first emergency aid poltava region treats podillia cares and feeds galicia rehabilitates and protects bukovyna volunteers and gives a sense of home bessarabia protects our thunder volyn works for food security transcarpathia develops business and partnership with europe carpathians became with a reliable and safe rear, tavria has withstood and will continue to return its call, i have not surrendered and will not surrender slobozhanshchyna fights to the blood and to victory donetsk and luhansk

regions hold on to the last terrycon kyiv region's heart beats in unison with the whole country, every region, every city, every village and each of us united for the sake of victory we prove independence every day to build a city that will be the beginning of a state to baptize it and protect it with a saber and mace to nurture its language despite the ban to rise up to choose independence on the granite and on the maidan, to repel the enemies with the dignity of the great

family, courage is needed national bank of ukraine , the courage to be ukrainians. because at the moment there are risks of launching missiles , the air force of the armed forces of ukraine has already informed about this, so please be vigilant and do not ignore, go to shelter, yes, we we continue putin met with lukashenko after the north korean dictator's visit to russia, the head of the kremlin told the self-proclaimed president of belarus about the negotiations and with whom chen told us that moscow would like to further develop relations with pyongyang lukashenko was not confused and wanted to join the exiled countries he asked russia and the dprk to think about cooperation with belarus after that, putin traditionally complained about the allegedly aggressive policy of the west and flaunted the stability of the russian

economy, we will talk about this in more detail later andriy kureichuk is in touch with us, a member of the coordinating council of the belarusian position, a researcher at yale university, greetings to you, good night, mr. andrii. i congratulate you , actually, this is a three-way relationship, and lukashenka's proposal to putin is more of an insult to what putin is looking for. other comrades, or what did lukashenko mean , why does he need cooperation with north korea, well here i see such a definite historical parallel. the long arc will give advantages there over the western world as we understand it recently er lukashenko is trying to show his importance this ego as if ancient er tactics to show that he is everywhere he and er at negotiations

he is with europeans he is with asians he is from putin and well, in fact, we see that uh, putin did not invite him, uh, we see that the real him was not allowed to these negotiations , and he thought that the fate of both lukashenko is certain. lukashenko is the head of rossiyskogo of the region, of course, putin does not want to raise his ego to the level of his own. lukashenko is obviously the governor -general for putin, a person who simply technically fulfills his function in belarus, as putin overthrew lukashenko , the wagnerites. this is such for him for him that man is not the most pure friendly projections and i think that and the ee

eerocoreysky lider also did not insist putin's september and lukashenko - this is already the 20th meeting. well, in fact, to talk about pouring from empty to empty, it is clear that the topic of conversation changed a little after february 24 . in general, how much is the vector of negotiations between the two dictators changing, mr. andrii, a couple of times, how do you start to answer now , urgent announcements regarding air alarms have been announced, believe me, alarms have been announced literally, just now kirovohrad cherkasy kyiv region, the city of kyiv and vinnytsia region, friends, there is a missile threat according to the reports of the air forces of the armed forces of ukraine, so do not

delay with these alarm signals literally in front of our eyes. zhytomyr region is also added. you know, he is a working man in moscow . he goes there to beg for more money in order to get at least some opportunities for belarus. economies that have now lost their ties with the west and turned out to be completely in the hands of the russian federation, er, speaking, and er , the second thing is to get instructions. and before that, we saw this whole special operation surrounding the murder of yevgeny prigozhin, which

lukashenko and putin played out in unison . further ideas that will be rainbow minds a-a e-e they they are going to realize together we went for the instructions and what are the instructions i think soon we will find out ugh and p andrii i understand that it is possible a question for riches here we looked before communicating with when are the next elections scheduled to be held in belarus no later than july 25th, in fact , almost? how many years until they are, but are there any talks about whether lukashenko will have any future? during this campaign campaign that will start momentary chernihiv region also air alert those who are watching us now or listening to us on the radio please be vigilant chernihiv region is also in the risk zone and the missile danger remains well, directly through the enemies and through those who help

putin here is about them and we will continue please we must about the elections in the 20th year, lukashenko admitted an alternative candidate to them and the elections, and everyone saw that he lost the elections , he simply lost, and in his attempts to retain power, he had to resort to repressions of a terrible scale, unprecedented for belarus. i think now he will not even allow alternative candidates, but his own question will be decided in the kremlin if the kremlin, er, deems it necessary to replace lukashenko, there are already several kremlin candidates, in particular, er, the spitter of our pseudo- parliament, okochanova, who is ready to to the kremlin's call, immediately take the place of lukashenko lukashenko according to this new constitution, which he adopted for him, such a nest is called the entire belarusian people's assembly. like in

north korea, in china, there are such and well and in the soviet union, there was such a pseudo-representative body , that’s where he can be such an honorary tsar to honorary leaders, on the other hand, there is the experience of kazakhstan, but it didn’t work for nazarbayev, he received exactly such an honorary position but she did not protect him, so i think that the most heated sports negotiations are going on right now on whether lukashenko will remain in power in the 25th year or moscow will try to replace him. i just asked why, you said that lukashenko was actually transformed by putin into something like that of the governor-general and the status of the president of an independent country, this is not about this at all. the question arises, then why keep a person who constantly says something about something , asks to join some company with one korean, if you can put it

, it’s quite clear, a puppet, where does it come from? question. i think that it was precisely with such instructions that prigozhin was killed when lukashenko actually lured prigozhin to belarus and calmed the wagnerites . after that, prigozhin was calmly killed . putin's data and he allows lukashenko to manipulate putin for some time, because he is such a black consilerian, he is such a right-hand man in terms of execution, not the most soft-spoken moral agent, so he can have the data that make it sufficiently dangerous in the event that a conflict begins. well, plus he is trying to prove his usefulness , his loyalty, his readiness for absolutely

everything, and then putin really has a dilemma. did not change the talented shayga and the untalented herasimo, who in fact failed all putin's ideas of this war . it won't end. it's just not possible for a person and its ally russia , which has been supporting war and aggression for a long time and here the so-called special operation, to get out of the water dry and here the european parliament has made its already official changes the european parliament in the resolution on relations with belarus recognized the declared president lukashenko as an accomplice in the crimes committed by russia in ukraine, and in particular this concerns the deportation of children, a very well-known story of how

information is presented in the resolution itself , more than 150 children were sent to belarus, and actually this is one of the claims against lukashenko, one of the accusations that he forcibly helped to remove children from the territory of ukraine, the temporarily occupied territories in the territory of belarus , later to russia or further. other representatives of belarus to this decision of the european parliament, what will it change, well, look at lukashenko, they simply did not reach out, although it was clear that he was the same as the aggressor, well , he himself called himself an aggressor, but they simply did not reach out because he is a small bisque , real and subservient, putin is trying absolutely everyone they cover up their crimes around themselves, that is, he goes to the children's radio, he is engaged in pinging , he also forces his subordinates to follow this

absolutely mafia rule. you know that. yes, well. when a member of the mafia is given a gun to kill someone and thus he was already on the hook, putin does the same thing. he arrested lukashenko exactly the same way. with these children, it will be replaced. and now it's just a matter of time when gaga issues an arrest warrant for lukashenko too on the other hand, since europe tried to prevent the belarusian army from directly entering the war , they did not agree with lukashenko's responsibility questions, hoping that this simply would not give lukashenko a reason to be mean and additionally attack eh on ukraine from the north, so there are actually many factors here. well, the responsibility is absolutely not disgusting, absolutely not disgusting , it is already obvious. well, what became the catalyst for this was the antics on the borders with the european union, in particular, on the polish border with

provocations with the wagnerites. what do you think, why now ? i think that of course what lukashenko began to openly threaten the european union with these wagnerites and photograph them at the border posts and hint at rzeszów and warsaw is the second time, uh, nuclear weapons which definitely violates the regime of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons - this is 2 well, thirdly, everyone sees that lukashenko really helps putin in the commission of war crimes, and it is also impossible to invalidate, in fact, what mr. andriy tikhanovskaya is, where is she now and how strong is this opposition svitlana tikhanovskaya takes a strong diplomatic position she just spoke in the european parliament, and i think that many of the decisions of the european parliament were based on her work, too, and

she was met with applause now. she is going to the un and will be on the same week when all the leaders of the countries will gather and will participate in the ceremony of awarding one of the most prestigious awards to vladimir zelensky . she is conducting diplomatic work. after the war, she turned into the minister of foreign affairs of belarus, in fact, into a diplomat, and she does everything she can on a diplomatic line , but will it help her to return and capture the minds of the people and, er, lead a er revolution and take power, frankly speaking, from меня вопрос па период, thank you very much for talking to us, i think we will continue this conversation andriy kureychyk, a member of the coordination council of the belarusian opposition , a researcher at yale university , was in direct contact with us further on the case of former major general valery shaitanov

in 2020, counterintelligence the sbu detained him as a suspect of working for the fsb in kyiv . sheitanov is accused of organizing an attempt to kill volunteer adam asmayev. well , the shevchenkivskyi court of kyiv found him guilty of treason, an attempt to commit a terrorist attack and for possession of ammunition, the sentence is 12 years of imprisonment and shaytan, and he still remains an accused because the defense filed an appeal . why is the consideration of this case taking so long ? the announcement of the three-year sentence valery shaytanov spent all this time in the pre-trial detention center guilty. he was found guilty in august 23rd and sentenced to 12 years behind bars for the state council and attempted terrorist attack in the interests of russia, and

shaytanov's lawyer filed an appeal. which can last for months or years in this story four key heroes valeriy shaytanov the main accused former major general of the sbu in the service since 1996 the first deputy of the eighth branch of the tsso-a-alpha in august 15 was awarded the order of bohdan khmelnytsky third degree ihor egorov- an fsb colonel known to shaytanov since 1987 from afghanistan until 2014 regularly visited ukraine as an instructor in cooperation between the fsb and the sbu, then, according to the investigation, he recruited shaytanov after the 14th fought in the east and was awarded the medal for the liberation of crimea, adam osmaev, the main injured volunteer, in february 15th, he headed the international peacekeeping battalion named after dzhokhar dudayev, accused of an attempt on the life of putin in russia, and this

story began in 2019. a former sbu employee approached us in connection with criminal proceedings. he goes by a pseudonym novikov yury novikov the main witness in the case , the name and surname are made up for the sake of security in the case, he acted as a witness in the role of an agent according to legend, a retired sbu colonel in his statement wrote that uh, a day or two therefore it was in september 2019, he met with our accuser and wrote that he, er, encouraged him to cooperate with the russian special services, according to his data, it was september 4 , 2019, satan invites novikov one of the affiliated institutions for a friendly conversation how is the life of an ex-major general sells to his colleague, this is a thirty-year-old photo, these three people studied

together at the tank school in the soviet period, and malakhovetsk khromlyu, aka khramlyuk, then he was khromlyuk , now he is from malakhovetsk, he was an agent the accused fsb invited novikov to call him and inquire about life. he gave his phone number. he told him to dial at the time specified by him in advance, and if an fsb agent offers to meet, then you need to meet at the counterintelligence agent of the sbu, and therefore all his actions are recorded, and he really wrote to khrumlyuk according to the correspondence received from our sources really see a conversation between him and khromlyuk and finally at the end of september they go to croatia, the city of umah, where a surprise was waiting for the main witness, he did not talk to him about any business, he immediately said that i am you

i will introduce myself to my boss and led him to a quiet place where yegorov was sitting, he introduced himself as yehor yevhen anatolich, later he even mentioned his position that he was the first to meet an officer on special assignments of the fsb of the russian federation. cooperation awarded $10,000. since then, there will be two more such rendezvous in europe in germany and paris. the main trip, which was tasked with eliminating smayev's e-e , took place on november 20, 2019, in order to encourage the main witness to do this he said that we are even with ramzan kadyrov there is such a phrase, kill the prize the current head of intelligence kirilobudanov is also in the crosshairs however, the russians still chose osmayev, assigned him the call sign captain or maradona to confirm the records of the sbu recorded in according to paris, the capital is already

drunk and called maradona. i want to understand exactly what exactly it is necessary to confection , to set on the will, not to guide. novikov traditionally meets with shaytanov in kyiv, by the way, during conversations more often, they recorded his grandfather’s callsign, not his surname, and for his grandfather, the task from the russians does not seem strange, which is also confirmed by the records of the security service , we have a task to launch them for the murder of osmaev, the reward is $200,000, the deposit was handed over at the fourth meeting in germany, it was 02/11/2020 specific conditions were just agreed upon and that $200,000 of them will be transferred, $10,000 has already been handed over to the year you paid for them. we received funds from our own sources in the prosecutor's office, the operation was coming to

a logical conclusion, coordinated by novikova samshaitanov у меня больше тренуется ето время втрое е-э оходу boots there сейчас больше the goal of this murder was to take place by march 20th, the russians were not interested in the method , the main thing is the photo or video evidence of them novikov , under the leadership of shaitanov, was supposed to bring to the arms conference in nuremberg that it was supposed to happen in the middle of september, the quarantine prevented it, the closed borders forced them to abandon the plan, and not the liquidation, the russians still insisted that they still have until may 9, until

victory day, for some reason it is so sacred for them , yes, and yet they wanted, uh, anyway, that this the operation was carried out, they guaranteed the payment of the funds and the witness yehor personally guaranteed that the grandfather would ensure the payment of the funds, that he would have to hand over confirmation of the completion of the task on april 14, 2020 valery shaytanov was detained by sbu operatives in kyiv this morning, he was supposed to receive evidence of the murder from novikov, he received this phone on which there were investment funds that talked about the death of adam, allegedly about the death of adam asmayev during the search, the thriller also allowed us to study the working styles of the russians , the prosecutor’s office says that for us it is the main thing the purpose of this was to document the russians in particular , their ways of influencing their connections, e-e