[000:00:00;00] after the defeat in the war with ukraine, officially no, but the first ship that came , er, it belongs to a turkish company with a co-owner , ugu, and the second ship, which we are all keeping our fingers crossed for, er , arrived at the port of chornomorsk in a few hours. the ship owner is also a turkish company. in this regard, we have always suggested to our turkish colleagues that they do so, because it would be very interesting for us to see how russian warships will attack to destroy ships belonging to turkish

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evening to you, so let's start from now of the decision of the polish, slovak and hungarian governments to extend the ban on the supply of agricultural products from ukraine to these countries, despite the fact that the european commission canceled these restrictions, these three governments decided to continue them, and it is interesting that the european commissioner for agricultural policy wojciechowski, who is, of course, a representative of poland republic said that the decision of the european commission is generally a very strange definition , it was adopted under pressure from kyiv and now poland and other countries will do everything is it possible to cancel it or is it not the beginning of some kind of economic war or an economic crisis how to get out of this situation vitali how good now already ukraine , which is not even a member of the european union , is already dictating its own rules, so interesting times lie ahead, i think when we become what at the alliance for ukraine, it will be very good to formulate some things and fight for what is called the national ukrainian

interest. how to learn from this situation. i think that this is, well, there is such a concept of points. no chips, that is, what is brought to the negotiations. how is such a maximalist position, let's say, for some reason it seems to me that now we are at the stage when countries have formulated their maximalist positions and are waiting for an answer from america soon. i think that there will be direct negotiations between president zelenskyi and the leaders of these countries, we will at least have such a conversation with president duda, i think that if the president and er or high-ranking officials of the countries you mentioned will be there , i think there will definitely be negotiations with them, so it seems to me that this is a question for

continuing the discussion and the result is all the same something will be found. we are neighbors, we are countries that profess the same values ​​and fight against the same evil, so we have to look for compromises . i think we will find them . when can the terms of this compromise be found? can you hope that after the election fever will go away? maybe on the back burner such a tougher position, at least in poland, on the import of our grain to them , to install a grandfather in the diplomats is a thankless task, it is necessary for specialists to work, to exchange information, exchange arguments, eh, and i i think that it will be devoted to this first. first, the main meeting with the president of poland, and then the experts

will sit down at the table and look for solutions . well, that's usually how it is. sometimes both sides try to understand the position of the other. since we are allies and really normal neighbors, we, uh, we definitely know this compromise with the russians. well, we, at least in my experience, could practically never find a uh, compromise because they didn't want to go for it in our case, in the case of their own in the words of our neighbors there and others, such compromises will therefore be found, he complains in principle if we talk about the very architecture of relations in central europe, to what extent do you think. today, our neighbors are aware of the importance of the integration of ukraine into the european union, because when we hear that

there can be agriculture can be a problem, the politics of historical memory can be a problem, it is obvious that every country must protect its national interests , but how much is more correct it would be to protect these national interests together in the european union and not to keep ukraine somewhere at a distance in order to demand from it the fulfillment of conditions that in one way or another may lead to the deterioration of relations between ukraine and neighboring states . once again, the practice that exists between neighboring european states, ask how long did the dispute with north macedonia and bulgaria last, how long did it take and how long did they find a compromise? it

took more than a decade, in my opinion that's why on it is a pity, and it will be, but it seems to me that after all, our central european and not only partners have come to understand that ukraine is a strengthening of joint opportunities and not a weakening of each specific member of the european union, although of course there is a lot ahead of us complex negotiations with the poles and the hungarians . i don't even mention the things that they simply put forward as a key demand for us . they actually want to create a hungarian national enclave in ukraine that will actually be governed by budapest and so on, i.e. there will be a lot of economic issues, much more than ideological ones, because ideological

ones we can find some tools, and economic ones. patience , mr. volodymyr , since this week it became known exactly when president zelensky will be able to meet with president biden, they are actually planning a meeting on september 21. the fiscal year of the united states ends in the middle of autumn. and actually, together with this fiscal year, the adopted law on lend-leases ends, although ukraine did not use lend-lease programs all this time, but it was adopted as a safeguard in case not everything will be entirely for us in the american politics. can we say that this meeting will be needed, perhaps for e.e. updating

the format of the fuse for us in our cooperation with the usa? well, this is like one of the options , and i think that it is not the first, because there is still until the end of the fiscal year two weeks. and as far as i know, it was about the fact that the usa still has about 20 billion and maybe even a little more dollars of unused funds to help ukraine. so i think that in this case you will not need this so to speak, well, a spare er option of help, because from october 1 the new financial year begins and accordingly new funding opens up. so i think it's just a er, you know, a lifeline just in case something suddenly goes wrong, despite the fact

that the americans explain what this option is of the current one and is much more profitable for ukraine because it does not foresee any financial consequences for ukraine, it is non -refundable military aid, lend-lease under all other conditions, it is still something that can somehow be returned someday. therefore, this option is still indeed, he is the last one, and the main things at this meeting, i think, will be devoted to two topics : firstly, the armaments necessary for ukraine, and secondly, how to end the war as quickly as possible for ukraine in a victorious way . the second topic is closely related to the first one and it is because of the fact that so far, including the usa, there is no answer to this question, we are gradually getting the weapons we need , because it is becoming more and more obvious to everyone that

in the event of a quick defeat of russia on the battlefield and in the political life of russia, irreversible changes will begin and unfortunately, we are not ready for them yet. i want to ask you about this very idea of ​​creating the position of a special representative for the economic recovery of ukraine , an exchange situation may arise. if you want money for reforms, and how much is that in general the institution can contribute to this. but i think that this is a very good decision, you see , mr. vitaly, we are still in a very active, difficult phase of the war , and the european union and today the united states of america are already talking about the need to look for and create mechanisms to help ukraine

well, of course, given the level of our level of corruption, there is definitely a question for them about how the provided funds will be used and the creation of such an institution, because this is actually not set on fire in principle. and this is an institution that will have a serious impact on the provision of aid and on the search. by the way, and the involvement of those who can be useful for ukraine in this regard, this seems to me to be a very good story, and the form that you have now proposed money for exchange reforms, i think -e, we will have to accept it with great e-e joy. well, for us, i mean ukrainians, civil society , of course, over those e-e moles in power who

only do that to steal more. but i think that when we talk about e-e such large-scale things at the state level. that's right the creation of such an institution will help so that these moles have nothing to eat . he countries of the western balkans already see this as such an obvious part of the future of the european union. is it still like a certain foreign policy defeat because ukraine has ceased to be the center of attention? well, you see, mr. vitaly, in the european union, they are very jealously looking at the fact that ukraine can bypass the western balkans as they say at the turn, because for austria itself, not only the promotion of the western balkans

to eu membership is an important national interest, they want to play the role of a certain center of power no matter what , and here it appears quite a powerful competitor is big ukraine, which bypasses all these uh, well, uh, uh, western balkan contenders and goes uh, straight forward of course, some people in the european union do not want exactly such a development of events and uh, so to speak, parovozyk when they should enter all in this sense i think that such a statement of the question is super positive for us, because even a year and a half ago no one talked or thought about it at all. and today we are part of the package, and that 's exactly what i think is extremely important

if we compare it with write about turkey, which has been claiming to have entered the door for more than 20 years, then in my opinion we are on the right track. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for this inclusion. let us remind you that volodymyr hrytsko, a diplomat and minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, was in contact with the studio. and now with us petro shevchenko analyst graduate student of the department of international economics of zelin university mr. peter congratulations glory to ukraine let's start with the personnel problems of the chinese how did it happen that there is already a second chinese minister where has he disappeared to, no one can find him well the minister of foreign affairs has disappeared for good i think that no one can see what he asked for at the time of his removal from office, now the minister of defense is a completely unheard of situation, even from the point of view of chinese domestic political life, when

a person disappears from office without any explanation the last time i remember this was during the time of mau dzudun, so you were in the cultural revolution, when representatives of the top party leadership disappeared like this and no one could explain. and where are they in general and where did they disappear and do they occupy their positions ? the head of the people's republic of china when he was gone for a long time and he was nominally considered the head of the state . well, how is it now, what is it? well, you drew a parallel regarding the disgraced minister of defense olimpiau, who tried hard to escape to the soviet union, and also, well, his plane disappeared he crashed there in mongolia, that is, the rules of the game are really strict in chinese politics and the minister is the most important thing. he is exactly like that. he has already disappeared and let’s say he is his figure from the political chessboard. in general , we no longer have him. the format of china's foreign policy doctorate that is currently being implemented in relation to lee shanfus, the minister of defense

, still, it seems to me that it is too early to say how events will develop further, but the fact is that he is currently under a certain pressure and it is possible under a certain verification process, whether he is ready for, let's say, the possible challenges that china faces, first of all, this is the increase in the degree of competition by states, well, this is a fact. i think this is the first reason why this situation is happening now , when we do not have a minister we hear, and the second factor is that it is possible that the processes themselves inside the company are inside. let's say it's the connections of the communist party plus the army, because, well, if i had a small opinion, i would say that the rifle is in order, that is, the company completely controls the army, and now this is possible the process is precisely related to the fact that the compact is trying to consolidate its power, its control over the army, and maybe

other generals have a different vision and a different position. regarding this, if it is their efforts, it is the central government, so let's see what happens next events will develop. this week, the leaders of russia and the dprk putin met and how. in fact, many people are wary of what, with their mouths, how they can speak . nevertheless, china is distancing itself and the ministry of foreign affairs affairs of china emphasizes that what exists between these two countries concerns relations exclusively between the dprk and russia p peter what do you think? well , we should clearly realize that pyongyang is a satellite and cinema because north korea is completely dependent on china, it is primarily trade, it is economic support

because even during the pandemic, again, the number of starving people increased in the north . there were approximately 10 million people who were starving, and if china helped, economically, it would support it, it’s not a lie. that’s why it has a very serious influence on the north koreans because if there was not uh, well, you can say that positive feedback from both china regarding the maneuvers of uh, korea , north korea regarding cooperation with the cream with the aggressor country, then the position of the actual christian was more moderate, but if north korea leaves now she is going for such cooperation, so this step is also, well, you can’t say that well, it is elected, but at least beijing does not interfere with this, because it also asks the chinese, is interested in the fact that what was happening in the stabilization of the strengthening of

the axis moscow, pyongyang through the korean peninsula because china is also betting on south and north korea to strengthen it because he really doesn't like the fact that he is now a chess student, america is helping to strengthen both in south korea and japan, on the one hand, this is a regional factor and maybe that's why he doesn't get in the way, because because of the south-northern mountains, she 's now trying to increase her military in an arc, thanks to this cooperation with russia, we're talking about clinical korean weapons that can go to russia from arsenals army of the dprk, but you understand that the democratic people's republic of korea is a proxy for the prc in one way or another. this raises the question, and chinese weapons cannot go through the northern country. i'm not even saying that china will supply them to russia. no, he will sell north korea there. north korea will accidentally confuse its weapons with chinese ones, so they can understand that these shells are on

the ukrainian front, and this seems to me to be much more dangerous if we seriously talk about this whole situation than just supplying old north korean shells you are right that the dprk can become such a hub for supplies. but again, china, well, from my point of view, it will be very careful with these moments because it is already under a lot of pressure due to the existing schemes . gray imports, parallel imports, through which certain sensitive goods are sent to the russian federation. and if these are weapons landings and it is proven on the battlefield, then it will be a very painful moment due to the fact that sanctions will be imposed by the west countries and that's what now china is trying to avoid it as much as possible because, well, it is still not

ready for such a serious confrontation with the western countries, uh, rafael grossi, the head of megate, uh , is surprised and says, i can't imagine that uh, russia could support the dprk with nuclear weapons technologies, well i.e. to spread it there, and why in your opinion? and in general, is it normal that the world is still surprised that such a thing is possible? well, let's start with the fact that actually all the technologies are military, which has kander. they came either from the soviet union or, later , from the russian federation. what is the actual problem? this is what is happening in essence. this is how she transferred already outdated soviet technologies, that is, and uh, should there be any surprise? well, you have no similarity here, because, well, in general, what kind of politics is this , especially players like north korea, china - they are hard realists and they rely on such pragmatism

the maximum and uh that's what uh kender is becoming uncontrollable and it can increase its military operations thanks to russian certain military-technological assistance this is actually a big problem primarily for regional security - it's seoul tokyo she's very worried and the western world e. it has more and more to really understand that even if this situation , the architecture, it changes and such countries do not become more ambitious and they will simply use opportunities , for example, to supplement their modernization opportunities at the expense of what is now russian the federation is under international pressure, and who else can support them diplomatically? well, the phanians can support them because the phanians have nothing to lose, they have been there for 50 years. are under sanctions, so there is really nothing surprising here, but there is a president that this can really be dangerous in terms of the fact that the more kenderes will increase his

military flow, the more of course it will cause a backlash from both its states and japan and south korea it will increase the heat in the region, it is dangerous during the visa. thus, to russia, the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation serhiy lavrovska said that china is beautiful, together we are ready to abandon sanctions about such a gdr which will be implemented by the security council of the united nations, are you not surprised that the head of the russian foreign ministry is signing for another country and in china, no one is, er, i would say not very worried about this statement and does not make any comments, well actually, is it very much in china she was worried, for example, about the fact that a court in the netherlands made a decision that there is no need to increase the militarization of the south china sea in china, or that certain

high-ranking western officials, for example, as the head of the german foreign ministry, she says about the chinese model, the political model, it is like an autocracy, there is a dictator and so on, that is, in china, he still reacts to it. it is more restrained, and i think that if there will be direct such housing moments, then the chinese will count, for example, with some official statement, but that that they are now trying at the geostrategic level to cooperate with the russian federation, well, this fact is because they see in this their own certain pragmatism, although, again, we do not need to believe in such a certain pro-gandist such a story was propogated, or allegedly this raw material was given without intermission. that is, it is still not a reality because china does not have actual real allies. it always plays only on its territory. and the fact that china helps bypass

sanctions on half of north korea. well, that’s in general if it were quite the facts, well, the real thing is that many people know about him, there are many formulas for the export of various products that bypass the sanctions, and the fact that , for example, russia wants to waive these sanctions. i think that there are also certain loopholes through which they cooperate with the dprk in bypass of these sanctions, but what are these statements for? it seems to me that this is still another such maneuver - this is another such. it is possible to say so verbally or automatically such. well, aggression or such hooliganism to show that here we are, we can do everything we want, even cooperate with such well, isolated wells like the dprk and us, as per the decree and position or certain well, on a certain basis, well, the position of the west, what can’t do this? that is, it is such a fronde, it is an attempt to somehow strengthen itself, well, itself, itself, and so on. i would like

to remind you that literally at the end of april for the first time in a long time, ukraine appointed its delegate, its representative in the people's republic of china , he then became pavlo rebekin, he continues to work in this direction. are able to determine, at least to some extent, our relations with the prc, this is a very good question because uh, even in spite of uh , certain let's say political contradictions, yes , because well, we can such a formula to implement to define individual chinese relations so that politically it is a cool relationship, but economically there is still a very strong cooperation because there is an article of critical import that enters ukraine