[000:00:00;00] the delegates of his representative in the people's republic of china, he then became pavlo repikin, he continues to work in this direction, mr. peter, we can make some interim results in this sense, that is, are the diplomatic representation and deep contacts really able to determine, at least to some extent, our relations with the people's republic of china is a very good question because even in spite of certain let's say political contradictions because we can implement such a formula to determine ukrainian-chinese relations so, politically, these are cool relations, but economically, there is still very, well, enhanced cooperation because there is an article of critical import that enters ukraine through, well, from china , it is actually chinese imports, and china, as

it were, remains an important trading partner of ukraine. but again, at the political level, we have a certain cooling and this is the appointment of the ambassador, it is very important , it is small. it is already a little, if it is a track to promote and show some progress. in shanghai that is, that's it there is a positive shift in terms of acquiring our agro-cultural agrarian exports, there are certain positive shifts, but if globally tectonically so far, well, we do not see results, i think that it is possible that they will be in the future, and again, well, from the point of view , it is necessary to maintain a dialogue because, well in china he is always there, regardless of competition, for example american-chinese competition, dialogue at a high level or an additional precise level, so

let's see how they will develop further let's say it's an initiative, but the fact that this appointment is a good way. it's a good step - it's a fact, but unfortunately, we have a geopolitical geographical reality where china now takes a position that is still, well, so anti-american. well, that's why it is now after all a little bit, well, it’s not very sexy to improve relations with us. to what extent do you even allow that china’s answer to this is the numerous alliances that the united states is creating around it with south korea and japan and even according to plans with guinea and etc. it will still be still try to create their own alliances and that russia and north korea will lose the role of its main allies here from the point of view that they simply have nowhere else to go than to negotiate with the foam actually yes actually yes actually we see this actually

and it will be and here is such an american liberal, robert kogan, he wrote a book, of course, the voice of beck, that is, the jungle is returning there, and he wrote about the return of the era of great power confrontation, and there he wrote a whole article, he wrote a whole chapter about the fact that this will be the bloc confrontation and the usa, they will let's say so in well, they will control such a conventional western blog that will oppose such a eurasian bloc there, where it will try to lead the prc and china , and so it is very important for china to form its own such a group of countries first of all, as you correctly emphasized, it will be the dprk, maybe it will be to one degree or another the russian federation, at least during the period of putin's rule, maybe it will be other e countries in southeast asia that

are under the control or influence of e e china for example, this is laos , cambodia , myanmar, and here is china , he will try to balance these attempts of the usa to continue to pursue a policy of containment of china in the region. e division into blocks and this will already be the level of e-e macro-regions when there will already be certain macro-final zones e-e economic technological when in conventional terms there in the west everyone will use apple iphones and in china it is there will be huawei and there will be some kind of advanced smartphone, a chinese smartphone was recently released and huawei has a camp for the characteristics. well, it is almost similar to the future iphone 15 15, so actually we will see that china will form and

try to form its own regional block and this is e- this regionalization will go beyond the scope of his policy. it will already be such a complex, complex structure, if we start the economy and technology and social culture and, let's say, the political culture there , conditionally speaking, what johnson and biden atlantic, yes, there is a confrontation between democracy and conditional autocrats. thank you, mr. peter, for including us for your analysis. petro shevchenko, an analyst at the department of international economics of zelin university was in touch with us. i think we can take a short break, after which we can return to the second part of saturday's field don't switch to colds immediately, take a defluvium silver defluvium silver, a silver colossus , against viruses and bacteria, there are discounts on de plus

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in general the european union should study some alternative realistic possibility the structure of cooperation with ankara for a long time, turkey has been waiting in line to join the european union. but does it really have sincere wishes, children, that it was always a sincere wish , definitely, certainly at the stage turkey saw itself as a part of the european community, but it should be remembered that in turkey over the past decades there have been -e serious political changes. by the way, not without the participation of the european union, if by and large the republic of turkey, which was about to join the european union, was the country of mustafa kemal, a tatar who saw the future of his the country of the fsb, its civilizational salvation is precisely in the union with western democracies, and he built the country that way, i can't say that it was, to put it mildly, an ideal democracy during

his presidency, but he had the idea that he was building a secular country and that this secular country was early sooner or later it will lead to the fact that turkey will become a democratic country in some conventionally speaking future when he will no longer be at the head of this country. he even chose his heirs such young leaders who should continue this very trend and by the way, nothing happened to him because these heirs did not come, they did not become his real heirs, he became the former prime minister of education from the heir, he did not want to see anyone in this position in this role, well, he died. and these people, what kind of people he wanted to see as heirs they came to power later and were then overthrown as a result of a military coup of prime minister dan mandaris with whose name is one of them now this is the price they are airports from the mira he was even killed after that

coup, so that's also a good story about the teturks, those whom he saw at the head of turkey, which he wanted to build a democratic country in the future, but atatürk, who trusted his own compatriots, this must be clearly understood . he simply did not trust him, he was the father of the nation , the turks were grateful to him that he saved statehood in general, and also in the borders of which it exists until now, because in fact turkey turkey could exist in completely different borders, but in the constitution of the republic of turkey there was such an interesting article that said that the general staff of the armed forces of the republic of turkey can intervene in political life if politicians question the secular development of the state and ideals . that turk was an article in the constitution adopted

during the time when mustafa kefalt was the president of the republic of turkey. could pose a threat to this secular ideal and this development on the road to democracy, they immediately took power into their own hands. by the way, victims of this political process, although there were well-known secular politicians, but one of the victims of this political process was a teacher who was forced to leave the position of the head of the turkish government . turkey, he had serious problems even when he was the mayor of istanbul , but the european union. he said, er, turk. well , we apologize. if you want to be a member of the european union, look at your

constitution, please, what is written there? i say we want a democratic state. the republic was freed by choice as a fault. it is correct, but imagine a european country. well, imagine christ, who wrote that the general staff of the armed forces of a country can interfere in the political process, that is , question the will of citizens. well, you cannot be in such a country. i can't imagine a european state in ukraine, we understand certain victories there. well, the general staff can't dislodge the president. constitutionally, it can't , again, a military coup can be in any country, but it cannot be legitimate. and these were legitimate actions of the military, who took power into their own hands and created some kind of national political party , probably referring to an article of the constitution. well, turkish politicians who wanted to join the european union agreed with the fact that it is absolutely correct

remarks, they removed this article, well, they removed this article, then rzhep came to power and prodan, together with his moderate islamic party, started legal proceedings against the military who were in power there, he does not blame them for the fact that they seized he did not consider the power in the fact that they abused the power here violated the constitution as people who abused the power violated the laws he after especially after the famous coup attempt regarding which there are still discussions whether it was a real coup attempt or a simulated er or erdoğan spied in this attempt at all not those people who tried to commit it in order to deal with the supporters of their former teacher, another phytologist helen. and there are still discussions about this, but the main thing is not that. and the fact that this coup was the first illegitimate coup

in the history of turkey, this is the tool that atatürk created so that the country, in his opinion, took a completely concrete path to democracy, progress, a strange tool from the point of view of the 21st century and absolute i would say the classic for the 20th no longer exists, i can’t say oh what horror, the function of the general staff must be returned, but turkey has changed , it is no longer the turkey of mustafa kemal atatürk , it is the turkey of rajarepa, and the pedagogue is not finished either, because you saw that erdağan did not lose the presidential election, but it is here here is also a big question, you know, he almost lost, but how equal were the conditions of the candidates , how equal was the access to the media, how equal was the access to the judicial system, etc. which people come to the polling stations and cast their votes for this or that candidate this is complete bullshit because voters go to

the polling stations and cast their votes for any candidate any candidate in russia in iran, and in iran in general there are more of these candidates than in ukraine , but all these candidates go through the e-e selection of special instances, the media is completely controlled by the authorities , only those forces can participate in the elections that do not question the ideological foundations on which the islamic republic is based and also precisely in russia. imagine a party that goes to the elections under the slogan, let's give up our conquests in ukraine. well, just where will it go ? the question is that it is not going anywhere , that it does not receive television, so they sell it. activists are simply transplanted according to the current legislation as activists of some party in iran who will say that we want a democratic republic in the islamic republic, they are transplanted according to the tires in the legislation and that is why when i say that i am very surprised that we are discussing some elections in

ukraine as if we have them today during martial law, as a result of its cancellation, there are equal opportunities for everyone to introduce a campaign company, speak before voters, promote their views, well , there is no such thing, we have one tv channel on the air and this tv channel, which is made up of pieces from other tv channels, should, if there is any election campaign, according to the idea of ​​providing equal access to all political figures and political parties who will run for office in the parliamentary or presidential elections, you have seen a lot of televised marathons of representatives of opposition political forces not a lot, but now imagine that they will even appear there, but who will compensate for their absence in the previous period. thus, free elections in ukraine are not possible until the moment

the abolition of martial law in ukraine because in any other option it will be elections in putin's russia and then it will turn out that neighboring states are fighting against each other, which differ only in that in one state they do not even miss the opportunity to give others in the state of the occupied territory and in another state do not miss the opportunity to create equal conditions for the opposition forces , too. quite a strange difference. i would say because i believe that ukraine is winning not only because a large part of the people in ukraine now is already saying in ukrainian that ukraine wants to be a sovereign state within the european union, natasha, because we are a democratic state, this is also a big part of why the russian federation is working and will work to dismantle this state , because if it were belarus, i think that the majority of russian politicians absolutely would arrange for there to be a quasi-state that was simply allied with this russian federation

like north korea. i think that even in ukrainian he allowed some to speak to someone, you know, writers at the congresses it was the same in soviet times. so this is an important moment, and the european commission is clearly talking about it, although again , not without its participation, all this happened, but they probably expected a different result, that the absence of the general staff in the constitution would help democratization by the way, this is political once again shows how much the european union and the united states are not aware of the political processes of countries such as russia and turkey as countries of the middle east as the arab world remember how long it was i hope that the arab spring will lead to the democratization of the arab world

to the point that the arab countries will be almost the same countries as the european ones, and the invasion of iraq was thought to be worth simply getting rid of the reaction in hussein's gardens and the democracy of aviation will simply blossom by itself. but we we understand that any dictatorship, what is russian , what is belorussian, what is iraqi , what is egyptian, i don't know, what do you want, it is the result of a certain state of mind in society without a suitable society, there is no dictatorship hitler stalin putin, saddam hussein, they did not arise in an empty place. and to think that society will turn into a democratic one immediately after the disappearance of an authoritarian ruler is also a huge mistake and ataturk, no wonder he was an expert of the european commission, a turkish general. he

was aware of this, he just did not really understand how this solve the problem because he understands, he just thought that while he is alive he can manage this process, but he did not really understand what to do with this process after he is gone, well, a great example of another an authoritarian ruler of the type that marshal yosyp grows while he was alive, his slavia existed like these , yugoslavia will exist if he is not there, he absolutely did not imagine he died and the state that existed after the 45th year died with him, there was no possibility well, the situation is very similar with turkey, because the state that was founded by the ataturk in such a pure form developed by inertia, but then it turned out that people who see islamic political forces as a serious

alternative to secular development, what about these people a lot of them, at least more than half of the population, the miracle is that such a number of people vote for secular politicians in fair elections, who , moreover, create an advantage for the current government . in fact, i think that if mustafa kemal were alive, he would see how many groups he received i would be proud of my result, this is a great result if you think about how it all started a century ago in turkey , but it is not so fast . the post-soviet period, we lived in the soviet union for ten years, we believe that ukrainian society will change so quickly, this is also a huge illusion. i sometimes think in this direction about belarus, well, there is no such broad sociology in the country, and the field for research is actually wide, but there is no one to do these studies.

can we be sure that the entire belarusian people , let's put it this way, understand that russia's war against ukraine is not ok and they do not support either lukashenka or putin, all the sociology in belarus shows that belarusians do not support it war, but this is not the problem, the problem is something else entirely for christians, and this is a problem that we discussed with belarusian colleagues in 2020 and i pointed out this problem to them, they did not want to see it, the problem is that belarusian society accepted lukashenko for ten years when in 1994 lukashenko was elected the president of belarus in absolutely fake elections on populist slogans on the fight against corruption, you know, such a servant of the people, such a person from nowhere who ran and

tried to understand how many nails there were to steal the former chairman of the verkhovna rada of belarus, uh, shushkevich, from the parliament in order to kill himself such a small wooden sensor. it was a complete achinea, but people liked it, people liked it, they took it , people liked it, they voted in the referendum to cancel it, to differ from their own national symbols. made lukashenko his decree. it was a referendum, he held it, and by and large , politicians of the national-democratic orientation of volyn ran against lukashenko in the presidential elections. they never said that unity with russia was necessary, they never said that it was necessary to simply go with the lukashenkas, with which path without lukashenka, they can see that belarus's place is in europe, that belarus should become part of the european world, they gravitate towards european integration, and they never had a large number er votes of the voters and when they lost the elections, maybe even by the changed

results, a large number of people did not go out into the street, there was a certain famous story with the square, but it was not a critical mass of people, and now let's look at that what happened in 2020, the campaign campaign brought to the fore people who, by and large, were already a product of lukashenka's belarus because there was nothing else. it will be russian-speaking people, first of all, secondly, you did not want good relations with russia, they believed that lukashenka was interfering with this for good relations, they turned to putin , they worked like baba ryka in the structures created by russia in belarus, i admit that they wanted the best for belarusians , but their very mentality was already the mentality of an absolutely specific country were created by lukashenko under a red-green flag, so when people started to go out on the streets, they carried a red-green flag, all this

nonsense disappeared immediately , white-red white flags appeared immediately, people mentioned the belarusian language. this always happens when you protest against the system, but it arises the question of where all these people were. well, for almost 25 years. what were they doing all these 25 years ? they had much more opportunities to change the situation in the 90s, when there was no such power apparatus, when there was no putin, when there was no such serious interest of russia in because belarus became a springboard for its attack on ukraine and, unfortunately, belarusian society understood what happened to it when it was too late. and now belarusians can really oppose the war. well, they oppose the war, and their statistics on the attitude to the war are different from russia's i would say with an absolutely specific proportion, i.e. so many approximately so many russians support this war because belarusians do not support it, but what

can they do they live in an occupied the state owns the property of special services against its own people where there is a russian army where a thousand people are in detention centers where people are under suspicion where any even the smallest manifestation of political activity is punished where a huge number of people have left the state and now and in those countries where they emigrated are perceived by many as allies of russia in its aggression against ukraine, this is such a historical tragedy. but again, i always remind you that if there was no such belarusian society, there would never have been lukashenka as if there had never been such a ukrainian society, there would never have been kuchma, yanukovych, yanukovych did not fly from mars, he did not seize power, as a result of a military coup , like turkish generals, he was elected in free elections, and we say all the time

, well, listen, well, there was not er, between whom to choose well, you can not like yulia tymoshenko, but you just need to realize a simple thing that if yulia tymoshenko won the 2010 elections, she simply will not be dismantled, the dismantled power structures will not the army was destroyed, the kharkiv agreement was not signed, something else was obviously a search for an agreement with russia, how to find a cheap price for gas, how to do that, and everything was a lot of search but yanukovych had a conscious activity to dismantle the ukrainian state i understand why she is needed, he honestly would like to be putin's gauleiter, and tymoshenko wanted to be the president of ukraine, well, the way she was , but this is a chance, uh, hmm, we just missed it , although we all said then that yanukovych

and tymoshenko's shortcomings, such shortcomings are true they were objective, but people had to choose between absolutely specific things, and the choice in favor of yanukovych was made by the majority of voters who came then, and this was by and large a verdict on the ukrainian state because, again, when society fell apart in 2013 a large part of it, and it turned out that it was too late, our train had already left , russia had already received the opportunity to renew the black sea fleet, increase its numerical strength, modernize its ships, which means the occupation of crimea, russia actually already had its agent network in the donbass and the south of ukraine, is it lucky that we, thanks to our volunteers and thanks to the politicians of the maidan wave, were able to defend kharkiv and odesa because, in principle, the possibility of losing a much larger part of the territory was absolutely obvious then, and we lost more territory, then rebuilt it like this