[000:00:00;00] what is happening behind our ends will be the same as what is happening to people in belarus. how to write this regime, of course, we always lacked solidarity. year, the regime of lukashenka and ukraine is just like that if it is incredibly simple, and i have introduced the purchase of goods from the non-regimental regime, which was not recognized by the whole world at the time , and the position called for economic sanctions against the dictatorship only in the second this year there is such beauty when the russian army entered ukraine already in the territory of belarus, although since 2014 we have been calling on the authorities in ukraine to conduct economic facts and oppose the results regime and warned that

the territory of belarus is constantly a function for ukraine and recognize the world of belarus as a respectable fall on ukrainians came in 22 and what should be done in principle with the status of these people, we know that ms. tikhanovskaya presented special passports for belarusians, lithuania is now introducing its own special passports for belarusians, this the legal solution to the problem can be another belarusian passport, except for the state one. as a result, lukashenko absolutely offers officialdom, because let's be real, real punctuation. no , they can't sell all the access documents of this

sample, the documents, and i will never get married . the preparation of measures for the actual forces is necessary first - this is the word of the country, the company. belorussian is running so that belarusians are given theirs on the side of foreigners and many older ones, that is, because they are teachers. what documents from belarusian are the second it is necessary to demand the closure of belarusian embassies and the creation of how many diplomats of the countries of the european union and the united states, because after that they were obliged by their own and it is fulfilled, they fulfill their post and services, in essence, and that is the construction of a gangster's illegal regime. and what, in principle, can the embassy do? in belarus, when he even refuses to provide consular services

to his own citizens, why is he a son from a diplomatic mission that does not want to cooperate with his own citizens, this is also very strange. by the way, i showed you here this is what i am turning into. they will say goodbye to their beloved abroad , uh, which includes tears in belarusian samesh. which continues suddenly with a framework , then the final class requires the technique of closing it and high diplomats. and you understand this in principle, why the level of sanctions against the belarusians is so different from the level sanctions against russia, although lukashenka has already done everything possible to integrate his state structure essentially with the state structure of the russian federation, at least when

it comes to aggression, the war of ukraine, what they have in the army allows in the numbers that are in the sky, everything is not functional, eh, in marusya, they through belarus, here today in russia, uh, that’s why it’s definitely necessary to fix it, we’re talking like this if the finances are synchronized, why they’re bad at plagiarizing, if the lukashenko regime is in europe, this is if we talk about uh, that to what extent will it be possible to hold lukashenka responsible for these crimes that are already taking place during the war, including the deportation of ukrainian children, do you think that lukashenka has a chance to receive the same warrant that putin received? i think that

a confident judge must issue a warrant there, lukash lukashenko is the same person present as putin, and the war is against ukraine , the circumstances are all strange for the birth of the russian troops, he responded to the murders , and you are the monster of the crimes committed by russia in the future, soviet woman irpene he responded to rocket attacks on 6 territories of belarus over the course of a year with ukrainian ropes, the result of military training grounds, the usual russian mobilized ones who traveled to ukraine killed the ukrainian so that he definitely remembers that and let me thank you, thank you, mrs. nataliya natalya radiona , editor-in-chief of the site charter 97, we had it in e- is

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a guide as a guide in other ways it helps them to build their neurons. how to relax and think, everyone will actually get from their music . if we talk about how things have changed, we can talk about how the repertoire is changing, how the approach to concert programs is changing, are there any changes for these 19 places? are these eternal things? like me, nothing changes with it. well, it seems to me that the war stimulated us to change, for sure, er, we thought more about our fundamental ukrainian, many musical institutions did not get their hands on this and in general, in general

er, our problem is that the music is ukrainian, it is in manuscripts , it is not digitized, it is not known to the majority, and it seems to me that we so gently transferred all this from the soviet union. does not have its roots, well, there is no ukraine, but russian music is better, uh, well, this is uh, already their hyperbolization, but in fact, uh, the resistance that was uh, in ukraine, i am talking now only about ukrainian music, now the resistance that was made by uh, nuggets it was a very small grind

with everything else russian and that's why it happened how it actually happened what is ukrainian classical music and why am i asking eh i think we need to deal with this and figure out something about how to present it because in the first place of the war many of my colleagues they he the squads were very fond of what was called the chancellor of russian culture and for me it was always important to cancel tchaikovsky's all one thing is certain that this will not happen so that we do not think about it, but i thought that it is much more important to present ukrainian classical music on the world stage, that is , that ukrainian classical music demonstrates its potential on an equal footing with the music of other european countries, because i can forget there they know very well about the russians that always

when you see a reporter from european theaters you see dvořák, you see smetana, these are not very big countries, you see yanachek , i can remember there, you see belobartak, well you and i can remember dozens of names of people and composers of central european monyushka, we are not very bach, not beethoven , but these people are perceived in the repertoires of opera houses and orchestras on a par with german, british or french classics, but it was not so with our composers. and here i am i want us to be able to figure out what real ukrainian classical music is, but i will remember to your question that the question was asked again , and why is dvořák popularized at the level of famous european composers and why, for example, our er skoryk only now began to enter the er world

stages because he was not interested in it , actually we ourselves were not interested in it , but we as profitable in the competitive world, uh, on world stages, there is one pattern: you either go there with high quality and then you compete, or you compete when your budget is much less than those european theaters and with a large number of rehearsals, you get a little closer to quality, it all depends only on us, how do we perceive our culture , are we the carriers of this culture, do we want to promote it to the outside world, it all depends only on us, well, skoryk or silvestra - this is our contemporary, so it is so classical music that we can now demonstrate as classical music of the xxi century due to problems in because the world

doesn't know the ukrainian classics of the 18th-20th century or practically. and we don't know it either. let's do it. let's start from the beginning. there may be a discussion . the writer signed in russian and there are two gogols in the pasture. of russian culture yes, but there was no tragedy for you and me, the truth is that this is another gogol, but how to understand that bortniansky is a ukrainian composer because he is reduced or you or what or musical tradition of musical tradition well, explain well, uh, uh, uh,

i will draw parallels, so we have a lot composers whom we do not know by discovery, and for me there were a lot of surnames that were unknown to me, the volume er-er everything related to the ukrainian er-er classics must be dug out from the archives it lies and falls like dust so ivan sapovych is also in our organ in the hall, he pulls out those manuscripts, adapts them , writes them down, and this is how he shows himself to the world. there are many composers who were helped by andriy sheptytskyi, and he became passionate

about this topic. borys kudrik is a story cyclical, and if it is not broken, then any composer or poet or writer can be called a russian partner gluhove, i uh, i slandered myself, but it is not mixed, the main thing is to find and show the world and draw parallels in those parallels, we prove that this the composer belongs to ukraine, so there are a lot of discussions about tchaikovsky, and i, as a cultural manager, hear these narratives from different sides, and your first question, you asked about russian music and how to perceive it

, today a war has begun for everyone of us in in the 14th year, it was the same for me, but from the 14th year to the full-scale, i performed russian music, that is, the orchestra performed russian music. we should have performed ukrainian music. this is my mistake, i admit it. and all the russian classics for me and for the orchestra stopped. it's logical. it's like they don't perform wagner in israel. even though he didn't live during the holocaust, neither did tchaikovsky 's engine. please, german. well, the germans already know. let the austrian know why i don't want to perform wagner . you can perform but if he comes, i don't want to perform it because my grandmother listened to wagner in another place, not in the concert hall, that's it, too

. i think so, it can be perceived . with the beginning of a full-scale war, every person was faced with a choice, and for each of them, for each person , and i was no exception , the world changed. and here it seems to me that this answer to your question is hidden behind how should i, for example, regard my friend before the full-scale war, the karabitz kirill , how should i regard him, but i lived with him for a huge part of my life, he helped the orchestra to adapt and become better quality, i

cannot throw this out of my memory and i i ask myself the question, did i do everything so that he would not end up in the gray zone in the gray zone of a traitor for me and the last time we met with him was already during a full-scale concert in zurich, he then reacted with the traviata of this rapper i and i were walking around the village he was asked the same questions that were asked before the full-scale when i told him 100%. there will be a war. he said that this cannot happen anywhere. but no, no, russia will not attack us, but when we... for myself, i made a conclusion... i cut him off, but we kept for ourselves in our memories those wonderful moments when we worked together we played shostakovich. shostakovich is one of my favorite

composers. but whether i will perform it now is not the place. on february 24, the stop came. and i set this stop for myself. ukrainian orchestras will obviously in the coming years, if for ten years we will not perform russian composers, it is obvious for the maidan. i just believe that they will continue to be performed by european orchestras and perform european operas, we already see this now, at least when it comes to classical composers and again i 'm not thinking about that, i'm thinking about the extent to which ukrainian orchestras and the ukrainian opera trivalent collective will succeed in bringing ukrainian classical music to the world stage, that's what's important the point is why we really didn't deal with decades and it's not only about bortnyansky, well, listen

to bortnyanskyi berezovskyi in russia, who also essentially ukrainian composers played more than in ukraine always and he appropriated himself as ukrainian history arkas i don't know nizhankivskyi hulak e.e. artemovich hulak-artemovskyi was always in ukrainian theaters because ukrainian languages ​​about the dictator were allowed to stage several e.e. operas written during the time of the russian empire, so was artemovsky lysenko, who else is probably this the entire repertoire was already after the 14th year stankovych was there, but it was modern, the training was so modern, but by the way, with the needle , artemovsky, with the wing, everything is clear, because it is the canon of our operatic art, and in the case of lysenko, it is the channel of our

some concerns uh things, but when we talk about operas written in the soviet era, the lviv opera is currently trying to restore it . yes, it seems to me like a big beard, if i'm honest, i don't own this, what to do, what to do with this music with a huge layer of music written in soviet times, there are also different types of music, there is lyatoshynsky lyudkevich, what is simply a european classic is music created for soviet operas with an ideological content. what about this, but it is ukrainian operas, ukrainian opera companies, it seems that it is necessary to approach a separate work in context studying how it was written or under what circumstances we are now taking stankovychi, who wrote

his second symphony commissioned by the dnipro philharmonic season of this symphony and when i talked with mr. yevhen asking him why it is called heroic and he says because in the soviet union in the soviet union it was not possible to call a symphony tragic let's take the soviet union er the period of er barvinsky when he was summoned in kyiv er here er people whom we know for sure were present at the destruction of his score and i will not say because i do not investigate the authorities er who was present but from the words of people who were eyewitnesses i know certain certain the names

of the meters and they were present when they were burned values, their works are performed by me, they are also performed by the orchestra, the music is also performed by them, it’s good, meaningful, it’s like a ukrainian poet who signed some letters in the nkvd. and we study their works better in school programs because we don’t have other poetry. the only question is that we do not have better music or there is better poetry. do we have the right to condemn those people or to say that a work written in the soviet era cannot be restored or renewed on the stage of another of our ukrainian operas ? essay well, i'm not i know this is such a difficult question, you understand it is for me personally i will try i will not find it i am new that i will not find an answer to this question you understand but old woman gonchar if

you take it, he was the person who agreed to give me an interview in defense of academician sakharov at the first congress of people's deputies of the soviet union when i was under sakharov and i needed to break the party line from all this and i myself was a student, i couldn't do it, i asked olesya terentsiyovych to his wife valentina danylo to do such an interview, oleg, the old man, you were after a stroke, he gave me this, this, water, as you understand. it was a thing, a consequence , after such things, people were driven to the next stroke even then, and i am very grateful for that, and for and there were many such things for which i am grateful, on the other hand, but the old woman signed this letter of soviet writers together with other people close to me there, er, my elders there, some friends of chingizametmats against academician sakharov

, when academician sakharov was sent to gorko, and in these signatures i do not know what with this do i just don't know if i can, that is, i just can, i think maybe i should thank these people that they changed at the end of their lives, that they, after all, looked at their experience, could not do anything about it, did not threaten yes, it is the same for me too, and this also exactly applies to the people who were composers and artists there. well, this is it, this is it, when we pick up all these letters from the 30s to the 80s, we will see the names of people whom we perceive exclusively as moral authorities, everyone will become stupid, so simple we don't read it because he doesn't want me because he doesn't we can well, maybe and we can't, some materials are still er denunciations and everything else

is closed it's true yes but there are things that later er well you have to accept how you can accept history you can't correct it that is i perceive it as a fact, did it happen or do i have the right to condemn a person who behaved in this way without knowing any specific moments that prompted her to do this, what her experience was? i think that it is not right to condemn at all, so i accept it as a fact and a page from the life of this or that person, but if there is... this person is a composer, for example, or a poet, there is something that touches my soul, it has