[000:00:00;00] welcome to the espresso channel. what does the word replicator mean? in my opinion, it’s something about the reproduction of a repetition of an already existing one. and this is the name of a new pentagon program announced by the us deputy secretary of defense ketlix. now this program is being actively discussed by american military industrialists and congressmen . the purpose of the replicator is to deploy in large numbers and in the shortest possible time small drones in the us army, marine corps, navy and air force , one quote from the speech of the deputy minister of the us defense on this topic in ukraine we saw what inexpensive affordable systems are capable of not to mention their commercial technologies they can help determined

defenders stop a larger aggressor from achieving their goals allow fewer people in the line of fire and can be manufactured , deployed and upgraded with the speed of simple maintenance necessary for the army. therefore, the united states decided that a key element of the american defense in the near future will become a significant the number of autonomous systems in various domains on the ground, in the water and in the air, in space, but this is a certain emergency program, because the replicator is clearly focused on countering china, because as it was stated, the main advantage of china is mass , that is, more ships, more missiles, more people, so the best answer was recognized as that it is necessary to bet on innovation, and the most correct form of innovation is precisely these drones, which, together with means of

communication intelligence or strike capabilities, provide this counterbalance to china in the near future and against this background, i had a desire to discuss this initiative of the united states and its extrapolation to the needs and capabilities of ukraine, because the army of our enemy the russian federation has a mass advantage over our armed forces, so what are the prerequisites for us to work to start our own replicator and how to scale what has already been done and became an impetus for the pentagon , we will talk about it in our military program with our ukrainian experts who have strong expertise and experience in this area, my name is serhii sgorets, i am the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with the espresso channel, strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense, and now we are joined by denis longopoly

, a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund and the head of the unicorn nest company, mr. denisov . congratulations, i am glad to see and hear the broadcast of the channel espresso and i am again surprised by your beautiful plow on which you will answer our questions. good day, in fact, here such a person uttered something such a long introduction to explain to our to the audience. what exactly is the purpose of the american replicator program and i would like to hear your evaluations of how adaptable the approach is for the ukrainian side , or can we also follow this path based on our capabilities well, first of all, we are already almost following this path by the way, but well, look at the game, it’s startups for the last almost 20 years. i’ve been doing it and from the point of view of what we now

have in our arsenal, it’s not that high-tech, high-tech. even if we look at kamikaze drones, what are our they use drones, well, this is almost a low-track in drones. well, then there is nothing there that would be, well, quite actually, but here, like in any startup, as they say in our industry , innovation is better, it is an innovation of a business model, and now we have an approach that, uh, i use asymmetry, yes well, that is, we have to use the cheapest tools that can cause great damage. well, when we look at the onslaught, how much does even the most expensive drone cost and what equipment can it destroy? well, for example, our

naval drones against ships cost there millions and tens of millions of dollars, yes we can buy and produce a large number of trays of equipment yes, but to cause a lot of damage to the enemy , first of all, secondly, this methodology justifies the fact that if this technique can be used by any - what kind of person is at the front, yes, you can learn to fly an epihydron very quickly, yes, these are skills that need to be mastered, but we are now talking about days and weeks versus, er, months and years, if we are talking about, for example, f16,

whose pilots will we use we taught for several years and now we are several months, we will train them, but we have the equipment. well, not with us, but in any army that has started to use more modern equipment, there is an opportunity, firstly, to put it into service very quickly, and secondly, it has almost no opposition from the enemy yes, they do have slaves and other protection, but it’s not implemented en masse. well, we can use it under the conditions of technological limitations of our adversary, yes, they have the opportunity to purchase these drones and produce them, even a missile, but in very limited conditions quantities and we have when we have

there is no economic and technological blockade. and there is help from our partners, we can produce it. well, that is, it is an asymmetric approach and it is already working. tens of millions, if we are talking about modern ones, then it works even before our war, before the full-scale invasion , it was like a hypothesis, but such technologies were never used anywhere on the front , and now they are being used for the first time secondly, they are massively used. and this gives an opportunity to study their tactics and strategy of use, and based on this , our partners and we can build new methods of conducting battle, and even if military wars are somehow so absolutely true because in fact this is our practice which

tested the hypothesis of the mass use of drones and was just the impetus for this program, the replicator, which the deputy secretary of defense of the united states spoke about, and now based on your experience, what kind of person has been involved in various startups for a long time the appointment is now closer to military topics, what are the main problems now from the point of view of the promotion and development of military startups, relatively speaking, are foreign business angels ready to invest in our military projects, this is one component question, and the second question is how to ensure the scaling of those solutions that, well, are they considered breakthrough or effective? what are the main problems at these two stages? well, let me start with the second. yes, because the first one is more like that. well, it is a difficult question and there will be a long answer. what i see is what i don't have now.

the decision, firstly , secondly , i don't have to influence it, thirdly, i don't see all the pictures together, yes. that is, these are my thoughts, which are exclusively mine. scattered among so many projects that produce something yes we have projects well i met with more than 200 not companies but groups of people-organizations or companies that produce anything that flies yes there are somewhere close to 300 more than two hundred but no no 300 but the approach to 300 ot is different there as well the number of solutions and er money that there are volunteers of the state and in commercial institutions, including investors, is scattered over a large number of projects er and this is a problem

because if we had an unlimited market well , for example, er, startups in china of which there are literally millions and they er, they are fighting for a large amount of money and so on, but we have er, the ministry of defense is one. we have several powerful donors who are well known funds, which plants do you know about? so even now we have a problem that er, i would now i would choose several solutions that are on the battlefield showed themselves very well and would finance their scaling powerfully. and what i see now, i see now, uh, enough uh, attracting financing by projects that have just started on a-and they will start the path that several dozen startups have already taken and

achieved something so it seems to me that now the lack of balance and not, let’s say, unsynchronization and the lack of a strategy for what, how we produce it is the main problem, on the one hand, on the other hand , now we would risk building a large enterprise for the production of drones - which of military equipment, there are risks that something will fly there if they are built in protected areas. well, for example, in kyiv, in the kyiv region, everything is exposed to the danger of the population, and if even in our country, air defense works very well. if there is a motivation to attack more densely with missiles or e-

yes, it will be a security risk. and if they are built separately , it will be impossible to protect them, but we have a problem with scaling. several teams that are now they are trying to build production in poland or the czech republic or the baltic countries so that they would be there in a conditional and dangerous situation and could supply the already produced equipment to the front, that's it, respectively, to the second question, the answer to the first question is actually very, very unpleasant and i am here now very bisimostic because most of the investors i talk to say that the absolute majority and probably 100% of startups in our country that work on vii will end when the war ends and this is

a problem for them because the only customer now is conditional we have the ministry of defense. well, okay, not the ministry of defense, but the needs of our military, yes, they are financed by the ministry of defense, volunteer funds and other organizations , but when the war ends, these orders will disappear, and if we invest now , this is what investors tell me. if if we invest in such companies, then we will lose money, that's why they want to finance companies that have prospects in global markets. production requires two things, the first is compliance with international military standards, yes, and it is a very expensive production . well, for example, we calculated for one startup that spent

half a million dollars on resorshyn development in order to do what they do, but they need it to meet international military standards to invest another 2 million dollars, and they hesitated for a long time and decided that they would spend these 2 million dollars on the production of what they already have, so that it is destroying the muscovites right now, and not improving there, and this is the first problem that ours are not ready to invest money, time and energy to meet these standards, secondly, if the company is focused on global markets, then the team should have people who have experience working in these markets, that is, investors want to see in addition to products that meet international standards, there should be a person who won or participated in military tenders in any country and understood how

the kitchen works, because our estonians are very optimistic , even those who have experience in the global it business but sell eh well for example, in malaysia, drones are much more difficult than selling it solutions, even those of a complicated company like ibm , for example, and we do not have experience working in international markets, we do not have experience in working with products, which it is possible to sell to the ministry of defense of other countries, and now it is starting to affect our internal financing, because our people who are ready to invest one, two, three million in military startups have questions . and the next round of financing

cannot be involved because the two conditions i just mentioned are not fulfilled and this is some kind of trap for us. until well, we are working on it. yes, now we have several interested former top employees of the military companies of large companies. well, you know yes, silicon valley, it grew, including from military projects, and there is an office and raysion and honeywell and other uh companies that started here in the valley and draw talents from the same place where google and apple draw them, but uh former officials of these companies are already looking closely at ukrainian projects go there as a-a from everyone to a consultant who

will help them do something. what will be able to be sold on global markets is the first and second. we already have examples of cooperation between small companies that produce non-drones. and separately, for example, solutions for drones with companies that produce drones so that it is possible to attract these technologies, these developments for use in already existing large products that are supplied to various ministries of defense . projects for the solution of such applied tasks for a short period of time is what needs to be solved now, and the number of innovative solutions that are present in these developments is actually minimal, and the number of these real know-how is not enough for our foreign partners there.

the english looked at this market as a large-scale market and they selectively choose those companies where you can really see something there, some kind of grain, then grow it and accompany it. the startup market is also a small number of us fail raid 99.7%. that is, 997 companies out of every thousand are going bankrupt and now what i see, i see in us a military raid much better than in the industry as a whole because our engineers and developers have access to the front and they can test their solutions literally next week after they have it there invented yes and this one these fast iterations that development testing refinement yes this is something that

is not currently available in the world and we have a separate solution , for example when you build a fraction - a new drone can’t do anything, well you can’t invent anything because this technology is very old, but if you develop, for example, something like a computer in vision for existing drones, you have very big advantages over, for example, already american companies in which the cycle of iterations takes weeks, not weeks, or months or years, and ours can be tested very quickly i.e. if such projects are moving very slowly in our country. there is really very little innovation there, in the elements and in small teams that solve small but very difficult tasks that have not been solved now. now there is such a broth that is boiling and from which i see a very large

number of very interesting examples, and we could give certain examples because it is, in particular, a forest and a company where your friend anton skrypnyk is creating things there and robotic platforms and others that now have a sight including the foreign market, these areas are promising , robotics, things like that, well, everything, well, everything has prospects, and we now have such an interesting situation that in some yes, in some industries, there are questions. and we are a ukrainian manufacturer. we have only just started, what else is there, but it may have some shortcomings. but if you compare it with our global competitors, we are already using them at the front. yes, we do not test them on the training ground, we use them at

the front. they have combat exploitation and they have feedback from the military and we have already done tritrations and it can somehow break er, break some stereotypes and even classic schemes in the military business, but i must note that the projects about which we are now so interesting , they did not originate in the -e cha- not during the war yes, for example, if you look at the development of the same skrypnyk, the date. these are projects that are several years old. yes. and there. well, i even have companies that make drones there. okay , something that flies and related to that. yes. when i ask, when did you first hear about started to do something, uh, usually after the war started, and that is, there are people who have been involved in this topic for a long time, they made their run

by looting, and there are people who are just starting, and if i see a very big opportunity for cooperation here, by the way, yes, because people who have a job can attract enthusiasts who have an untrained eye and can create innovations before the war, there are no military personnel, and now i see this synergy in several projects. it works very well . mr. anderson. thank you very much for such explanations for inclusion in our broadcast. i hope that we will continue our discussion in our programs and our i will remind the audience that our interlocutor was denys longopolyi, a member of the supervisory board of the city startup fund and the head of nest, and then we will continue our program after the information

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. i congratulate you. i am glad to see and hear. parties within the framework of this program, the replicator of the new initiative, it assumes that the united states has drawn conclusions from the hostilities in ukraine and made a bet on the fact that in a short period of time all its troops there on the ground in in the air with a large number of small autonomous robotic platforms and they believe that this will be an answer to the advantage of the chinese in particular, who are outnumbered there in terms of equipment and ships and manpower. i would like you to evaluate these approaches and how we can extrapolate the same approach to what our side and our armed forces have to do in the long-term struggle with the russian federation, and perhaps even in the short-term perspective, your assessment of such an initiative by the american side

is absolutely correct и свое время и опыт military action in ukraine just shows that in order to fight against meat from that side, it is definitely necessary eh military eh robotized platforms and fully autonomous but how would we have such a tendency so far eh basically a robotized autonomous system - this is the 21st century uh, russia came to us with the war, this is from the last century, that is, it will bring people here, and our population is four times smaller, so we must defend ourselves with something and somehow, for this we need software systems, therefore, from the american side. absolutely correct the approach for them as a countermeasure, for example, the chinese, e-e, p. eduard , you have quite interesting developments that really correspond to the approaches that

the united states is currently trying to implement - this is a significant number of small platforms of various purposes, at the last meeting where you and i were at the ministry of defense, where different versions were considered. you showed such a demonstration video where it was about the directions of your company's work. i will now ask our directors to show a part of this video where it is about interesting samples starting from combat boxes to other things that were now very necessary when we are liberating these formatting structures of the enemy, if these combat boxes were there, then in fact the liberation would be much easier . creation of a concept, that is, it is an animation of solutions that we would like to implement in the future, next, this is a final

project, and the implementation of a prototype , we have many solutions, and we, how would they passed as large robotized platforms to small ones because large robotic platforms are, in principle, very vulnerable and they are expensive , and secondly, they are very vulnerable, like us, my society, eh . each object becomes a moving target , so each object becomes a target, so we changed our concept about two years ago and began to earn money on a small robotic platform, the development of kamikaze small systems, gnome, and that's it. проспективные это работация э-э type of kolobok