[000:00:00;00] all the small communities welcome oleksia kaczok, we always see you, if we have already introduced you, we reminded our viewers that you are the head of the international section of small communities , let's talk about the regions and now you can form a certain impression, but how ready are the regions for the heating season, in particular , those that have suffered most during the shelling last year in general or everywhere we should be with a warm light, of course the enemy is insidious however, what could be done at this moment was it really successful? well, actually both the central government and the local government approached this heating season very responsibly, and now we can already see that at the central level a number of meetings were held, which, let's say, accompanied such coordination. yes, in order to have light and

heat and everything necessary first of all, of course, in schools, kindergartens, hospitals, well, she is in social facilities, and of course , in the state, so that the work does not stop. on all over the territory of ukraine, where the regional government already reports on how ready this or that region is for the heating season, if we take general approximate figures and estimates well, it can be noted that somewhere around 80-85 percent at the regional level are ready for of the heating season well, at the central level, we know that the accumulation of gas and coal is taking place, it is not yet complete, well, in principle, it is somewhere around 65-70%, until the heating season, the central authorities in

the planning mode plan this deficit accordingly, to renew, well, at the local level, those social infrastructure objects , first of all, about which we have already talked with you, they are provided with generators , it is checked whether all of them have reserves of the appropriate fuel. to be ready for extraordinary conditions to persuade, we all understand what this is . these are missile attacks by the russian federation. well , including oblenergo, and at the local level , they also took measures to protect the electrical energy infrastructure. accordingly, from physical damage, as prime minister shmyhal correctly said, we will not talk about those right now. it is this protection , but believe me, it happens both at the central and at the local level, let's have experts volodymyr malchenko, director

of energy programs, rumzkova center mr. volodymyr, congratulations to you and gennadiy ryabtseva, an expert on energy issues. gennadiy , we also congratulate you and my own question to both of them at once, but we will answer er-e in turn . so it is really clear that the top topic of the last conversations and our conversation today is a testimony to this. is this preparation for winter? are we ready for, for example, repeated shelling if there will be, and obviously they will be, taking into account the treachery of the enemy, or will they be similar to the autumn and winter ones? did we observe any last year? they, on the contrary, will possibly be more strengthened , no one can predict at the moment, but we can predict how ready the energy infrastructure actually is for these possible shellings, whether the necessary ones have been carried out everywhere repairs, should we wait for repeated posters, can they be longer, er, more intense than last year’s ones? and let’s take turns

, mr. volodymyr, and give your assessment of the situation , how ready is ukraine for the cold weather at the moment 100%, and no one can give guarantees that m this means that some rockets or drones will not arrive and damage the energy system , but as for the current preparations for planned repairs of the energy infrastructure, that is, we can say that everything is going more or less according to plan, and now the system is working already seven nuclear units out of nine controlled by ukraine out of 27 units of thermal power plants of the dtp company have already been repaired, 14 7 are under repair and the others will be repaired already after

the autumn and winter period, also about 80% of the repair work has been carried out, well, according to the company's plan, therefore, at hydropower coal reserves are currently in warehouses of about 13 million e-e, which means 1.3 million tons according to the plan of 1.8 million tons, but now about 200,000 tons have been purchased, this is the company dtek they are on the way, i hope that the company center of the sky this will also strengthen the work on the purchase of coal well, indeed, the company tsentronergo should be noted as the weakest point today in preparing for winter, there they are very far behind in repairs and in the purchase of fuel, they need to speed up their work regarding natural gas reserves in underground

today there are 14.2 billion cubic meters of natural gas in storage facilities and according to the 14:7 plan, but which of those 14 and two are they? this gas is in the regime of a customs warehouse or chortkova - this means that at any moment this natural gas can be re-exported to the european union , this must be taken into account when planning the injection of natural gas. in more detail later, we are now mr. gennady , also give your assessment of how ready ukraine is for the heating season and whether they will start it on time. the season will be started

on time in all regions located on sufficient distance from the front line, the only place where the heating season can not be launched is in the areas of kherson, zaporozhye, mykolaiv, kharkiv, donetsk regions , which directly border the combat zone and which are subject not only to missile hydron alleys and attacks by other means of destruction, in view of this, i would say that these percentages , which everyone says, apply exclusively to conventionally rear e-e regions, therefore the e-e work of local service bodies of territorial communities in these

territories is very important, because without e-enhanced attention to how the citizens of these areas will live in the winter period, it is important to use all the local energy sources available in the territorial communities and to use, first of all, their own resources , because sometimes help to those who need it takes a very long time and it is better not to hope for it, but to work for it - and with what is on the ground, i emphasize that this is about those areas that directly border the combat zone . well, how ready is ukraine for new attacks? you asked the question about what

will change in these attacks in this heating season, in my opinion, there will be less massive missile strikes, more drone attacks, the number of these aircraft will increase, because, firstly, there is no such amount of missile weapons in the russian federation, and secondly, ukrainian means anti-aircraft defenses have been significantly strengthened and er produce almost 100% results for missiles , aircraft missiles, and drones, things are much worse there because it is difficult to physically protect a large number of energy infrastructure objects from these er, well, this scrap metal with

explosives on board cannot be ruled out eh, hmm, the introduction of stabilization shutdowns in conventional rear areas, eh, after the next attacks on energy facilities, that is , let's talk about the regions, mr. oleksiy, what are the biggest problems facing those regions that are closer to the line in terms of preparing for the heating season front well, i understand the shelling, but if more specifically, well , it is absolutely obvious that the shelling is more specifically, the destruction of the infrastructure, including the energy one, is happening . now we see an emphasis on the port people but the strategy of the russian aggressor is absolutely unchanged, but there are still advantages because now the situation on the ground is not so critical and the enemy has not caught us by surprise, so to speak, but not in

principle all local self-government bodies, especially in the frontline regions of the community, of course already have the experience of the last heating season, and those shortcomings that even existed during the last fuel season, they have already fixed most of them, this is the money for this is just the local government, it understands perfectly well that it would be her area of ​​responsibility to provide, first of all, a social object and of course people there, let's say weakly protected people of retirement age, so according to the information that i have now, not even in rural areas, now the second, somewhere , they deliver coal to pensioners somewhere for free so that they can calmly go through the heating season, that is , energy decentralization for

energy autonomy, they still do not provide at the local level, i am deeply convinced of the normal e-e passage of non-heating of the season, but it won't be easy, of course, here it is already. it should also be noted that these heating points are unbreakable points, do you remember what we were told about last heating season, there are a lot of them now they are being put in order until the appropriate repairs are completed, somewhere it was necessary to improve the heating somewhere it was necessary to improve the ventilation, and during this time there are many places. believe me, what has been done, so i emphasize once again that the local authorities, which are closer to the people, know what needs to be strengthened and how to go normally the heating season, mr. volodymyr, we can actually hear from you the preparation of the regions for the heating season, how critical it is in the front-line areas

, we understand, but for example, odesa itself, which has been subjected to intensified blows recently . it has suffered extremely, the energy infrastructure suffered, including not only the ports -e please rate where the heating season will start easier , faster and without more problems and where it is more difficult for objective reasons well, you know what the most energy-diffusion regions in our country are the kyiv region, the kyiv region, kyiv region, and the odesa region, because these regions cannot provide themselves with electric energy and take a variable part of the electric energy from other regions, from other thermal and nuclear plants , hydroelectric power plants, which are located in other regions, but i also think that there will be a difficult

situation in the lviv region, since the energy infrastructure there was sufficiently powerful, which means damage to the energy infrastructure , therefore, except for the front-line regions, it is understandable yes, as well as those regions that i am sure will be liberated by the ukrainian armed forces, well, in the next few months, uh, because we really liberated the territory there, uh, it will be the worst situation, because and since the settlements , when they leave, it means populated areas. they destroy everything. well, but eh first of all, it is necessary to pay attention to, in addition to those regions near the front and also de-occupied - these are lviv oblast, kyiv- kyiv oblast, kyiv oblast and odesa oblast, due to the fact that these regions are sufficiently

energy-deficient or extremely damaged infrastructure uhu thank you, let's, if you please, let's move on to the fact that how much stock we have allows us to feel calm and confident. in my opinion, the main thing is not the amount of reserves, but the existence of contracts for the supply of relevant resources. if these contracts are signed, then there are no reserves, no accumulations, well, in my opinion, we can not talk at all. they like to name some absolute numbers and then think. and why , for example, two months ago

there were 1.5 million tons of energy coal reserves in warehouses, and now it is reported that it is let's say this, about which you can find out some uh, uh, uh, um, concerns about uh -e normal normal operation of thermal power plants e-e gas supply to ordinary consumers because it should not be forgotten that in addition to e-e processing of consumption by thermal power plants, natural gas is also used for cooking and for heating a large number of ukrainian households, so there are no concerns about these volumes, the only exception is for children, the fact that there are no concerns, everything is fine. but regarding electricity, you can just give a clear answer if, for example, we imagine, or there will be no massive shelling there or there will be no

new significant ones. i apologize of significant damage to the power grid in ukraine, we will be fine with the light, everything will be disabled, there will be no need for them. if there will be no new damage, it's just what we have for today , and if we can go without a driver, then forget it the word blackout and forget the word combination fan shutdown. neither the first nor the second has any relation to the energy system of ukraine, there is not and will not be in the future , there will be no blackouts, no fan shutdowns, the only thing that can happen is emergency shutdowns in the event that , for example, there is a hit in these or other energy facilities and the operator of the transmission system will be forced to switch lines and secondly

, stabilization shutdowns may take place in the event that consumption volumes in certain regions exceed the capabilities energy systems, first of all, mr. volodymyr, yes, i understand it, however, it can be right, that is, even if there will be no new shelling or major damage, we can still have stabilization shutdowns and the ukrainians can still make it as an option, but in fact for the people really, the difference is that no matter what you call them, the disconnection is a certain stress and you have to prepare for it. oleksiy , you wanted to add something right, so we went to the regions, and colleagues have already indicated there those parts of the regions that, well, traditionally are dependent yes this includes kyiv region and odesa region and in fact, we are friends

with the odesa region, which is currently receiving a lot of attention, with communities, with mayors, with representatives of the military administration, somewhere , our association advises them on what needs to be done, and there is such is the head of management, if i'm not mistaken, of housing and communal services, volodymyr karpich, who just yesterday reported and now has concrete figures that 94% of odesa region, and social infrastructure facilities are ready for the heating season well, mr. gennady is laughing for some reason, i don’t know. now we’ll ask mr. gennady one thing , mykhailo, oleksiyovych. well, look at what the figures officially called by the representatives of the odesa military administration say. well, i think that’s what

they actually do it is possible in order to prepare as well as possible for the heating season, and with regard to emergency shutdowns and communications, first of all, with hits , let's say, either by missiles or russian drones. well , for this, you need to prepare again for this does not frighten us in any way , it does not destabilize us and the regions in any way, and remember the last heating season, each of us is deeply convinced , all our dear viewers with great understanding attributed this to such emergency shutdowns, because you ready for that well, in fact, i think that as you rightly pointed out again that this year the aggressor will follow the same strategy as before regarding shelling, including our ancient infrastructure, only the temperature will drop

and we must be ready to defend ourselves, our name, it is first of all blowing the horn, it is possible, it is good, the local government is doing it, it is possible, it is good, but we must provide ourselves with the necessary things, where it is a gas heater, where appropriate powerb-banks and somewhere maybe we can come to an agreement who live somewhere outside the city and who have generators who have normal heating in order for the heating season to come as calmly as possible, and i absolutely agree with gennady , please respond for a minute and we will move on , i absolutely agree with the last thesis and but i emphasize that first of all, before buying or installing any equipment, you need to read the safety instructions for this self-equipment, whether it is possible to install it in your apartment

or in a house or in an apartment of an apartment building, and only then make a decision about what should be purchased, and my smile was caused by the fact that i am always interested in how officials determine the percentages that are reported on. so why is there 94% on the basis of which data exactly 94 and why on 93 and on 95 and the authorities can guess the answer, if you allow me. since then, i also headed the local administration, both in odesa and in sumy, and it seems to me that the answer is simply taken according to the 100% formula. well, they are also looking at the provision of the same generators or alternative sources of energy. and someone somewhere in the region under-processed them, and these are exactly the same. this turns out to be the

7% that are not enough to be delivered, mr. volodymyr , if you return to the stocks, please connect. i have already asked. and you do you know exactly how much more is needed to accumulate gas and coal for so that the heating season started on time, he reminded that in ukraine it usually starts on october 15-20, independent of the region, depending on the air temperature and many other conditions, so can you, mr. volodymyr , tell me now whether these reserves are enough or if more is needed or, in fact, we are sufficiently prepared and ours have been on standby since the summer. well, i don't quite agree with mr. ryabtsev, who says that we don't need any reserves, because working without reserves and simply collecting is risky enough, that's why they were accepted in the energy sector

certain standards regarding coal and natural gas reserves, as for natural gas, in my opinion, it is still necessary to accumulate about two billion cubic meters, taking into account what you are, those reserves are 14 billion, what we have now is that they are in the mode of the copper warehouse in the european union and this is an absolutely legal matter. ukraine cannot prohibit this . as for coal, it is necessary to accumulate about 500,000 tons according to the plan, this is absolutely realistic, but again, i would like to to note that we unfortunately cannot do without stabilization and/or scheduled shutdowns because, according to my forecast, uh, during certain hours of the coldest days of winter, we have uh, uh, a shortage of electrical energy due to objective reasons , because reaching from two to three gigawatts and we

we will only be able to close about 50% of this deficit at the expense of imports and the other 50% we will be forced to close the deficit of electric energy at the expense of stabilization or scheduled shutdowns, but again, this will not last. i hope eh eh a lot hours there or even days. and it will be like that. well, at most there are 5-6 hours each. what grounds can there be for this and under what conditions

can it be carried out? hol that is, these are commercial agreements, which means that when non-resident companies usually store natural gas in ukraine, they pump natural gas into ukraine in order to then re-export it to the european union when it is cheap, when it is expensive, and to make a trade on it, it is not bad because ukraine is also in storage of this natural gas earns good money, but we do not have the right to prohibit non-residents who store this natural gas in our warehouses in the mode of customs warehouses or sharp hall to export this natural gas to the european union. therefore, this must be taken into account when planning when planning the injection of natural gas and therefore, taking into account these factors, i believe that we need to pump in an additional 2-2.5 billion cubic meters, and not 500 million, as

nak naftogaz says, we will do it before the start of the heating season. well, i think there is a chance this is the obligation of nak naftogaz, yes, of private gas producers. thank you, mr. oleksiy, we understand that another question that worries ukrainians is no less than whether they will be provided with heat and light, or whether they will be able to pay for it, and we understand that prices are forced to rise, but so far in the cabinet of ministers say that there is enough money for social expenditures , in particular for subsidies, what is our situation with this . if we talk about the general situation, we understand that now people have less money, war , displacement, well, all this within the country imposes certain imprints on the solvency. and now, to what extent our state really does everything necessary to provide everyone who needs it , for example, with subsidies, etc. well, let

's start with the fact that if we are talking about electricity and raising it to electricity was absolutely justified. and if my colleagues just pointed out that repair work and maintenance of networks at and work in the ato in our nuclear generation, they are not happening very systematically at the moment, and there is not enough resource for this thanks to the fact that, well, let's put it this way, yes, we began to pay more, and it did not go to the general basket of the state budget, and it was directed exclusively to the needs for the restoration of networks and their generation, for maintenance and preparation for the heating season, therefore, in fact, not in that the network has become much more qualitative

, uh , we don't pay for it with our electricity bills. it just became obvious that it is necessary specifically for electricity to be increased, er, the ministry of social policy immediately reacted by calculating the increase of the necessary budget for providing people with subsidies, er, if i am not mistaken, 3-4 billion hryvnias, now tell me how many additional subsidies there will be, until they come, respectively, to the tsnap it is very difficult in places. well, this backlash is this cushion of increase in the possible number of subsidies in connection with the fact that the price will rise and , accordingly, for electricity, so this necessary fury is laid by the government and such money on is in the budget they understand so much transferred from the reserve fund therefore not in this