[000:00:00;00] not clear we really hope that everything is okay with maxim, we ask you not to remain indifferent and help in the search, so please share this video on your social networks, because maybe someone you know will recognize the boy and his mother, and in general it is clear that the more people will learn about the search for the child. then there will be even more chances to find her, and i ask everyone to look carefully at the face of maxim the ninth, if you know anything about him or his mother, do not delay and immediately call our hotline at number 116 000 calls from all mobile operators in ukraine are free, you can also write to the chatbot of the child tracing service in telegram , in general, many boys and girls are currently wanted and each of us can really help to find them, so please go to the website of the child tracing service, it

is possible you will recognize someone, and actually one of these boys is a five-year-old mouse miller who disappeared in the luhansk region during the occupation together with his mother, her name is maryna oleksandrivna melnyk, she was born in 1997. unfortunately, the circumstances of the mouse's disappearance at the moment there is little information, but i emphasize that i really hope for your attentiveness . indifference to the word has helped us more than once to find missing boys and girls . so it is known that misha disappeared in the miller of the luhansk region, in the temporarily occupied village of grechyshkine, mishko lived with his mother at 13 sonyakna street a of them, a boy in march 2022. from now on , unfortunately, no one knows anything about the fate of the mouse. mishko melnyk looks 5-6 years old, of average build

, approximately 110-116 cm tall, has blond hair so if you suddenly find a boy somewhere or you know something about him and his mother, please immediately contact the child tracing service, of course it is not excluded that the boy is still somewhere in the occupied territories, they do not broadcast ukrainian tv there , but still residents of luhansk region who are possible see this program on youtube , i ask you to look especially carefully into the face of the mouse, report any information about misha melnyk, i ask you to our hotline 116,000 free of charge from all mobile operators in ukraine we also have the chatbot of the child search service works in telegram, you can write there, i emphasize that there is no unimportant or secondary information in the search, in this not a simple process , any even the smallest information is necessary , which in the end can become decisive, and as at the beginning of this video, i ask once again you about distribution in social networks without exaggeration, each of your reposts

is such your activity is an invaluable and really effective contribution to the search for children. we have created a resource thanks to which you can report any crime against a child in any place at any time just go to the site and report and we will launch all possible mechanisms for punishing the criminal stopkrayem.ua greetings friends this is a worldview program my name is vasyl zima and for the next hour and 407 minutes we will talk about the topic what is still important and what still hurts in spite of everything the transformations through which the ukrainian society, the ukrainian political elite, or the ukrainian pseudo-political elite- political

pseudo-elite, how would i call the physics , the ukrainian business elite passed through and all these moments which we have had in our history despite all this, the topic that we have taken up for consideration today remains important because the answers to the question, the key question of this topic, who commissioned the journalist georgiy gongadze, we still do not have. for ukraine, the matter is the matter of heorhiy gongadze, a journalist, a person who had a conflict, a direct conflict with the ukrainian pseudo -political elite of that time, yes, oligarchic clans , let's say, a person who was kidnapped on september 17, well, that was just the day before yesterday.

23 years in 2000, she disappeared, was killed, the perpetrators of this crime were punished, but we still do not know the perpetrators. well, more about the circumstances of that day, september 17 , to a greater extent, that evening of september 17, when the journalists georgiy were actually kidnapped on lesya ukrainka boulevard in kyiv gongadze was then killed and thrown in the tarashchan forest about the circumstances of that day and why we still do not know, and who said to kill him, i will only remind you that when major melnychenko released tapes from the office of the president of ukraine at that time, leonidas dana on danylovych kuchma's words were heard on these tapes, well, kuchma, what he said, what he will expose, take him away, obscene language, give the chechens, let them ask for ransom, remember this key phrase? and then, of course, all the arrows went against kuchma, but everything is not so clear-cut in this story, we will talk today with people who definitely know more and we are joining the conversation now roman shingle to the editor-in-chief of the magazine

, the liberation struggle p roman i congratulate you good day well, also literally from minute to minute we will invite you to talk about who is the editor-in-chief of the den newspaper and it is the den editor of the den newspaper who worked for a long time together with journalists ivanka sabon and published a book called the cauldron, and there is a large book about the case and all the circumstances of the case of georgy gongadze, mr. roman today passes, well, in fact, it's out there, but these days it's been 23 years since georgy gongadze disappeared, he was killed. i remember it very well, moreover , for some reason, you remember that day, er, september 17, er, when he er, disappeared, so he must with they were apparently killed on the night of september 16 and september 17, and let's start from that day and from the events that preceded it, you definitely know more about this and you

want to tell us about it, and we will listen willingly, please, actually, i might i know such things that almost no one knows because that's how it happened. what i'm going to lock up - i locked up with george, and during the time of the first red ruth, he fell in love with our girl from lviv, maryana, and so it happened that george decided to move permanently to ukraine and for some reason we agreed that i would come to tbilisi for him and i will transport him. and i definitely came, but it was such a long process. at that time, george was studying international relations at a football university . he graduated from the university. it was the 14th of plato's tbilisi and so we always sang at his suggestion a-a sleep little cossack and play in ukrainian

, the drivers always came back and said it in ukrainian de girga gungeon in georgian said yes i am ukrainian and yes it is in the ukrainian language and it continued every night this is now the footage that you are showing this from the apartment of georgy kongadze but i already did that with him later it was when i defended him in court and in the 13th year lesya gongad i gave him the keys to their apartment from tbilisi, i went there to collect documents and there i had the honor of taking these photos, so we actually said goodbye in tbilisi, he said goodbye to tbilisi, and when it was actually time to move ms. lesya says roman but you know what the tickets are with us tbilisi by plane we don't sell tickets in the forest, because all tickets for a year are bought by those who sell carnations, they have tangerines in ukraine , and i say, "how about we go, let's fly, or rather, she says , well, i got one ticket because she was the best pediatrician in tbilisi," she says

the number one on the plane, a ticket, i.e. the first seat, and hands it to me, i say to mrs. lesya , what about uh-ah, because she insisted on calling him not gegor and agia, and not gongadze, but akkorngadze, to the letter, i say and how is action, and she says don’t worry kyiv well, i'm going with this number one ticket get on the plane, i sit in my first seat, i keep coming back, george is not there, the plane seems to be filling up, the doors close and the plane is in charge of the airport premises , the doors open again and there are maybe a hundred georgians crammed into the minibus, and it was simply impossible to get on the minibus at all, i was spinning there i return, george is gone, we fly to lviv, and again the plane stops somewhere outside the airport, all these georgians get out, the plane closes, then we approach the central passage, it's good, we all get out and again, george is not there, when they check the passports, george does not wave

oh, i'm here, hello, i say george, where are you, how did you go, did i not see you ? in the toilet well, he didn’t stand well, that’s how we moved to lviv in lviv, again, or such a student’s fun life. at that time, as the head of a youth public organization, the memorial a-a introduced the vertep, we twice took first place in georgia, we had a tsar in nativity scene and his girlfriend at the time, then his wife maryana, but this is not to be confused with the one who now lives in canada, uh, this is not that. another girl , and here is uh, well, life was so fun, well, it is clear, we have now made the introduction. i will now join ms. larisa ivshina's conversation, and i will also ask you to make an introduction to the actual main event that we will discuss, the disappearance and, well , the kidnapping and murder of georgy gongadze, and then we will try to understand the main

main question, the main question is being asked, the main question, why we still don't know names the masterminds of this abduction and this murder, but everything is yeshina, she is the editor-in-chief of the newspaper , hello, gentlemen, i congratulate you. good day. actually, mr. roman told his story of his acquaintance with georgy gongadze, his move to lviv, and it is of great emotional interest . an interesting story, especially i, for example, about this i don't know, i think that the audience didn't know this story either. i want you to tell your story, your story. georgia gongaze. let's say it was before that day and in your opinion. what preceded it , the most important, the key moments that preceded it. because of that terrible day when 23 years ago , when georgy was kidnapped on i understand that it was the boulevard of lesya ukrainka, they had an apartment there.

of course, ukraine does not need it, there will be free coverage, because it has long become a cross-cutting theme of everything that is happening in our country. perhaps even with all his actions, he would not have started this tragic chain of events, but the social circumstances conspired political, psychological, moral state of society, and therefore we, in principle, many people know what happened but cannot bring it to a conclusion, this matter needs political courage and, to a lesser extent, the hypocrisy of society itself, it was absolutely not, not incredibly difficult for me to look at those oaths of the presidents since yushchenko, who promised to investigate the case, but neither yushchenko nor poroshenko . well, of course we don't talk about zelensky either, they weren't going to finish it because it's her business, and in fact

, it's not up to them, although it would seem that what was more important when i found a judge who was still alive during kuchma's presidency, yuriy vasylenko, deceased, who initiated a criminal case, and then it was possible even if he brought him to court and it was at least proven that he was good, let there be an excess of executors, let him not want and so it happened, but the very fact of bringing a person to court would show that ukraine was on the way to building a state governed by the rule of law . i think that on the channel on which we are talking about this, this is the one that understands because, by the way, about the history of dating, a gay man worked on that

channel that was the forerunner of espresso, and i was then the editor of information programs, and mykola knyazhytskyi and i came up with a special evening issue for her with counting on the fact that all the politicians are already asleep and no one is watching, but it turned out that the gay made it a very watchable program and sharp and interesting. well, of course, then the whole channel is an interview with him, well, before the flow of what could become in general norm for ukrainian unfortunately, television did not become available after 94. the first strike was a comedy after 999. the second . well, everything went on until the state in which the ukrainian information space is now. problems for ukrainian society and they

move from stage to stage every year , the attack of truth-telling covers and then everything unfortunately returns to when the ruts of inertia were used by our competitors and the enemies of politics hang on covers of classified documents well, some have already passed away, but there are a lot of them left, and unfortunately, we have not solved the problem as a society so far, and i don’t see any of the politicians in the future who would be able to put a fair solution to this matter, although everything is public it was heard in our country as well. as you know, one of the best journalists. i think ivanka bsamon, who recently was at the front and was seriously wounded, is now being treated in the hospital, but still these days, from

the hospital bed, he reminded everyone about this tragic event because he was the one in those days a journalist who attended all court hearings in the case of nations, but he was not awarded the gongadze prize . well, i think that he would not have accepted it, understanding its very difficult origin, and here again . every time we asked those journalists who received it, why did they torture you? absolutely devaluation of those values ​​for which they seem to stand, and that journalists are typically chosen relatively well , those whose reputations can be violated, and we say that why we cannot achieve and because we are like that because we behave like that that i appreciate those lonely people with a reputation as a hygienist, well, i got into this difficult situation, too, this is not an entirely obvious story, because

ihor oleksandrovich, who was killed earlier, he was really killed for his profession, which one is it in kramatorsk, you mean yes, you you are talking about the murder of the journalist oleksandr - it was in kramatorsk, who was beaten with bats , as far as i remember, in slavyansk , slavyansk, that's all the events that led to what is now there in slavyansk, what is happening, there were such lighthouses the lights alarming forward, which had to be reacted to when there was an opportunity and then all this missed metastases were already in the liver , so what is it called because now we see and wonder who the guests are right here pinchuka only journalists and hanna hopko once said that in response to a letter - leavening on invitation to be a guest, she wrote him a letter why can't she accept this invitation and it was a moral challenge to everyone else who should have some kind of grip on it

, but not in this person whom we consider to be such iconic figures of ukrainian society absolutely as if they don't know anything, they participate, this continues the colossal company of bleaching and closing this case in front of their eyes. i know these people at that time, well, it 's not at that time, a little later, somewhere in 2003, the fourth point, these are the years i had the opportunity to communicate then with oleksandr volk, a person who was called the director of the parliament and who gave then he was there er belonged to the commission that dealt with the affairs immediately that this committee of the verkhovna rada dealt with it then these meetings were still held on the second floor of the parliament well, there, near the press box, i talked with him, then i talked with his assistant, and then there was such a narrative that kuchma was not involved in this. because if he had to , then he definitely did not start with gongadze.

i've already forgotten who yury lutsenko was, and there were quite hypocritical articles related to leonid kuchma, he was published there in this publication and in the prison robbie. was the dominant dominant story that it means that kuchma just blurted out on these tapes. well, he blurted out, he said it, i don’t want to do that anymore, after all, the second president, let him be. i don’t have the right to humiliate him in any way, but well , he said that give him back to the chechen, let them ask for a ransom where she was pro-bangaza language, that this georgian is there already zadovbav well, remember these words are famous and that allegedly the russian special services used it in order to kill gongadze in this way, to create a point of pressure on leonid kuchma well, then there were these catty scandals and many other things, as if to kuchma took control in this way and this topic was dominant. well, i don't know for many

people it was as if no one was to blame , it's just that the russians used this story in order to beat gongadze and influence . for the current, but he wasn't, he wasn't, he was the main goal, so i'd like to see romanov . why do you think this happened in the first place and to what extent can it be plausible or not? after all, this story is not about russia, not about kuchma, this is a story about is murder of a person who personified what was not needed at that time for the ukrainian political elite: freedom of thought, freedom of speech and independent journalism . was an absolutely uncompromising person, he had no shades of gray , he was either black or white, and the corrupt structure of the state, which kuchma actually built, which was exposed by the state, stole entire branches of our industry and ransacked between

his close associates could not be correlated in fact, with this uncompromisingness of the journalist heorhiy gongadze, that is exactly why kuz should have shouted that you have quoted several times that he should be sold to the chechens somewhere because this system could not be correlated and could not be correlated with the uncompromisingness of the journalist gongadze and that is why it ended the way it ended because they couldn't exist in parallel, this is the second time , to what extent would the presidents who are currently in power be able or willing to investigate, i don't know , many years have passed, many people have already probably died who know it, no, there are also many people who are still afloat, and the oligarchs who are close to kuzma , the same his son-in-law, who, most likely , was also involved in this

murder, that is, very well and it's difficult. well, there is no doubt that it is necessary to investigate, no doubt ukraine wants to know the truth. undoubtedly, we want one thing, but how can our state give us what we want ? there is a big question mark here, and this state leadership is not better at all, because we see here are absolutely those who practically were , they seem to be reforming something there but again, i want to go back a little to the 13th year , when i accidentally met lesya gongadze near the pecherskyi court, where she was just sitting on the road crying, and i came up and told ms. lesya what happened, go a child, because you will be killed too. i say to mrs. lesya, no, let's make a deal, we drank . it turns out that for 6 years they had been carrying around the idea of ​​suing the then deputy minister of internal affairs, jiva

mykola, who lied to george, a liar, a thief what are you saying? someone stole a car in georgia. and he told it on television. the press published it, and lesya, as they say, tried to sue him six times over the course of five years. the court did not accept it, and then at the end of lesya's envelope with somehow filed a lawsuit, but the court did not convene a meeting. and actually , when i met lesya gongadze at the podpechers court, it turns out that a meeting was called somewhere, but the lawyer who was lesya or lesya gave this lawyer. what kind of case is being filed, not against or against the publications that printed it, and lesya gongadze sat crying and said that there is no truth, she will not achieve anything. i still convinced her that we will do it. i found an excellent lawyer

, oleg the king, unfortunately he's not alive now, he, he, he got into a substitute, he freed the children in buche, here we are with oleg, the king, the king , in four meetings, without lesya gongadze, because we told her not to go here at home, we, in four meetings, i, as the head of a public organization , went to sea, and he as a new lawyer in four the meeting won this case and who do you think vovka serhiy vovka should have won in court, so on june 17, 2013, we received a court decision that the name of georgy gongad is actually this court decision is eh honest and what eh in fact, mykola dzhiga should pay 1 hryvnia compensation to lesya gongadze and publish it in these publications in which he published lies, publish the truth, well , certainly dzhigav did not publish this truth . well, i was able to get this decision from the court already during the maidan and about a week before the death of

olesya gongadze, they how we know she died in the night when there was the most carnage on the maidan. i gave her this decision and she cried a lot . she prepared some red fish for me specially. unfortunately, but unfortunately, she never learned the most important thing, she died about and about the customer , he did not see the punishment, we will talk about it again, about this key moment, now the pause literally did not last long. i ask you very much to stay in touch with us, we will return in a few minutes and let's go to the essence of ours today's topic is actually about the customers and why the gongadze case still remains. as they say, a crime without punishment. there are 20% discounts on voltaren forte and voltaren emulgel in pharmacies

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presenters about culture during the war i am ready to talk with a bunch of presenters who have become familiar to many, maybe the weather will give us some optimism ms. natalka didenko is ready to tell us and we will also have distinguished studio guests today volodymyr gryshko, if everything goes well, the events of the day in two hours , vasyl's big broadcast, winter, a project for intelligent and caring people, in the evening, nayspresso. we return to the conversation and our topic today is crimes without punishment. the masterminds of the murder of journalist heorhiy gongadze were punished, let me remind you that he disappeared on september 18, 2016, september 2000, two, 23 years ago. the other day, we still don't know the answer to the key question with us. roman gunda, they are the editor of time, just a liberation struggle, now her cord to the editor-in-chief of the newspaper day well, in fact, the book about which mrs. larisa talked about the boiler is a case without a statute of limitations . by the way, this book is a gift

from the publishing house. it’s a very pleasant day. i’m reading it . i studied these documents. now i want to. well, we have literally 20 minutes ago, i want us to do it right away. i'll take 10 minutes at a time and we'll try to answer the key question: why haven't the customers of the case been specified yet? or together with colonel fart. this story ended. the perpetrator was punished. then he was killed or killed himself . the still-unknown general kravchenko, the minister of internal affairs of ukraine, there after the orange revolution. well, if the ends were cut off, then the ends were cut off. is that the case? you can still drag this one further a thread, ms. larisa , please. well, it seems to me that even in this book , the reasons and circumstances and everything that could be done, and only the state of