[000:00:00;00] well, it's very nice, i read it, i studied these documents. i now want to. well, we have literally 20 minutes ago. i want us to immediately. i'll take five and 10 minutes each and we'll try to give an answer to the key question. why haven't the the clients of the case and are there really those moments that could lead to these clients or together with colonel puchach . this story ended with the actual perpetrator being punished. -is of the orange revolution well, if the ends were cut off, then they were cut off at the end is it still possible to pull this thread further larisa , please well, it seems to me that even in this book i covered in detail the reasons and circumstances and everything that could be done and only the state of ukrainian politics now priorities completely

different society, i don't see anyone who would not be interested in the fair conclusion of this case, the calculation of those who lost a million landings of millions, i will write that it did not happen, it turned out to be very cynical and realistic and knowing the state of society and journalism, you achieved what we say as a moral operative that this is a matter without a statute of limitations. but in fact, 23 years is already the statute of limitations, as they think, although for more serious crimes, of course, there are no such statutes, but it is morally tired a new part is coming to life, and a society that generally thinks that this is some kind of prehistoric topic that should be turned over, forgotten and moved on, and those who wanted to make money from this business made money and, unfortunately, a tragic

story with the publication founded by george ivana this is also the statement of all this. that is, this is such a moral destruction, devaluation of the basis for society, because there were times when it firmly stood in defense of the truth. and now society is the blood of cruel wars, in particular, because there were previous missed chances for moral recovery, and we call for one one thing and say let's do something. no, there are no more questions . that's why we need to firmly assess society now, its priorities, its strengths, its political opportunities, external, remember. there was a time when voices spoke, sounded from the osce, i

i say they announced that there were western intellectuals there. but now there is none and it will not be soon because many western intellectuals also accept the games of our dominant plan, which is very successful in front of the foundation and in the eyes of the surprised public who constantly says, god, we are doing well, critical how many presidents do we have? well, you may have many presidents, but we already have one system and it has remained unchanged because the last maidans were emotional, but they did not set themselves tough, rational tasks. have not yet followed the path of solidarity when poland left 100 years ago, he says that you understand that we must bring our trip a little closer to the real state of society, so i am talking about this matter for 25 years, he and i are uncomfortable acting as such extras in some permanent institutions without justice,

justice could be established if we talked about whether all this work is realistic and who we should rely on in this. that is, we see that our judicial system is still in spite of all the changes in the face. that is, it is a complex of issues. gongadze and his tragic death alone shows the intractability of fundamental issues. i will clarify with you and then i will give mr. roman's word . unfortunately, we are going to evgeny kyrylovych marchuk, the former head of the security service of ukraine, the prime minister of ukraine, who worked in the system of the soviet kdb, and it had a very good school and, of course, connections and understanding of the situation. and i am not asking for any

to give out secrets, of course, but when discussing this matter with him, i am not convinced that you talked about it. he understood and knew who did it and how, why, in his opinion, it could not be brought to court and to and to punishment, you know well, only i i think that mr. roman will let you read the book, the boiler or the table, we didn’t start without you and then all three of us knowing this book we could discuss it more because there is an equation kyrylovych that is the text he defended his dissertation in great detail as lawyers with the opposition there were crazy obstacles him defense, and he will call it collateral, then there that nothing could be harmed, he simply methylated it, told and showed it, but you understand that there was a whole large line of efforts spent on the fact that the responsibility was transferred to innocent people, and one of

the targets it is a pity that there was absolutely absolutely no involved person when they wanted to blame and it was cynical. some she was never afraid of her archives because what we wrote we can look the main in the eyes now and prove absolutely calmly absolutely point of view and a lot of people cleaned their archives and they will understand why because they took discrimination in paid companies one time despite the fact that i treat oleksandr moroz as a traitor to the kaniv four who simply ruined the chance of the ukrainian position to bring

marchuk to power, and i cannot talk about him with any sympathy because he was to those who voiced the computer together with lutsenko and then recently gave an interview that they go to kuchma's switchboard with him in the neighborhood and there they probably discuss the consequences of the ukrainian case, the military or here, that is, this sergeance, this venality, well, in some sense, ukrainian politics in part, she put the problem of this destruction there. do you also remember the picture of lutsenko at the forum of pinchuk, when he was kneeling on the hand of a bush, by the way, it was from him a hundred percent of the newspaper competition a day ago. well, these were very tiny attempts to show this colossal how to separate the moral problem facing ukrainian society, the reputational problem, because now they are as if nothing had happened, everyone there is telling so far that they are heroes

. and there are still some better sides, but you did not contribute to the main issue in this, because russia blocked ukrainian politicians with the hands of early attempts in the case of the strongest, gen. marchuk, their task was to prevent him from coming to power, and they did it with the help of kuchma and kuchnost, and to the regret of journalists. by the way, i recently read a very interesting book about how german counterintelligence blocked a specialist from coming to power, and this is absolutely the same falcon for a long time, they also achieved this too late, but still won a victory for britain . ukraine did not learn to protect its sons because russia then bred our politicians , not rabbits, played with them like i wanted like cats and mice to confirm your words, poni larisa recently watched a film about

the operation to prevent the occupation of crimea back in 1994 or in what year, and then she actually participated in this special operation alpha. the organization, so to speak, yes yes, because now yevgen yevgen marchuk so you are a participant so that you don't have to look like organizers and those who were the leaders, they should remain with the leaders, that is, then russia did not succeed precisely because there were professionals who were able to trick the russian special services russia understood that there is a person in ukraine who is able to outplay her. ukrainian society did not appreciate this, and in 1999 it allowed a person to be elected to russia once again, and then kuchma's children followed suit. now the political grandsons of kuchma and we are calling for them to do something for us because

you yourselves are not capable of anything, we are only capable of walking and waving slogans listen we must learn this is the latest history where are still savages a whole series of children in our country, unfortunately, now they can to snatch us because there is supposed to be a meeting. and there is still time, then there is p of the novel, we will come to the end already then, and p roman, in your opinion, you know it is very unfortunate that, well, what do they think , little man georgy gongadze, because for all those people who were there yes or well there is a lot a large number of people, i know many of them, the whole story is also interesting in a timely manner, who did not get into the wheel of events then, uh , and both on a larger and smaller scale, there begins to squirm, well and there and and but and oh the story that the death of a small person decided to make it unimportant and to maintain political stability and gongadze, well, they found a fart, if they had finished with that, i’m asking very briefly

, mr. roman, in your opinion. why is this, why is this a problem? to to the end so that we have a country in which there are no small people and not small people, and if it is a political murder there or the murder of a journalist, then it should be investigated and should not be s-, e hiding under a cloth from the interests of the oligarchs there or the political elite , please know i think that there were many situations like the one with georgy, because there are many in ukraine. it's just that somehow the fates came together so that we know a lot about this situation. well, maybe it was at such a time and in such a place, and what exactly are we? we know this situation the most testified. why did she acquire such a reputation precisely because society began to fight against the oligarchic power of kuchma? why is she not investigated because there are certain influences of oligarchs interested in this issue, and again, we talk a lot about

independent courts and about the independence of the armed forces structures, bodies, but from us , in the end, the world community demands independent , and most importantly, transparent and independent courts, but they do not exist and will not exist as long as we have a municipal government, an oligarch, and as long as there are oligarchs, and as long as there are tatars or offices of the president will have influence on the courts until then, we will have this is the situation with russia , it is indisputable that russia is acting in absolutely every way to grab, occupy, destroy ukraine, so it is much easier and cheaper for them to bribe a certain number of oligarchs or judges or someone else, even through their mass media or through the mass media of the oligarchs who were ukrainian and had their own business in russia . she acted. it was always much cheaper for her than this war that is happening now.

when they didn't have money, they found and acted even yeltsin himself at a time when there was really no money in russia and said that we russians should get up every day and think about ukraine, that is, how to conquer ukraine, and they always found money and opportunities and a scheme of corruption how would it be possible in ukraine to put a boa around our neck, so until we understand that we need to get away from moscow , until we build honest courts, honest law enforcement agencies and an honest government, we will live in the same society that we live in unfortunately, i also want to say that in lviv , on svobody avenue, the tree that was planted in memory of georgy gongadze is already very, very large

, and the whiskey is currently not being investigated. after this war, our society will change. i believe that after this war, we will look at the world in a different way and we will choose our power in a different way. do not want call them by their last names. i believe that ukrainian society will become different and become more mature. and actually then we will be able to overcome the difficulties that we have now . the one who is hryhoriy, not igor, the one who is older. well, i remember historically there , he promised to pay something like $200 or $400 a month for the maintenance of this resource. at that time, i worked in the city of raspberry superbooks, well, it was 2000, i just graduated the university and me remember paying $60. then i add that $400 at that time is not a lot for you, well, if it wasn't enough, but it wasn't some key

money, but george i'm also the host , and he wasn't sold for any handouts who wanted to buy him one way or another in the same way as, well, the first such independent information resource at that time . and i would like to ask you, mr. larisa, about your last meeting , georgiyovych, did you have a feeling at the time that something like this could happen to him, or was it a complete surprise? i remember for me well, this is then i didn't know george, i was very young in journalism at that time, but it was very, very somehow not unexpected. how did you rate it? a person who was familiar and who knew the political situation in the country. please know that it is always difficult to say when the first ones are tragic in general. journalist, and then so much time has passed to stir his memory, to say that the line was not only very bright, charismatic, but also brave, but very often they did not break political ties and all

other troops, which became a prerequisite and with such a certain background in this these are not from tragedy they look good at all, but when we start talking about it, well, no one is forcing us to block all this and tell what really did not happen, that is, we should, if we were serious researchers, we restored this whole tragic story. it did not bring out our they started again a lot, everyone has somehow resigned, i say those who traded in this story. they also don't want this one to start , but i'm interested in justice being established . well, surely there should only be myroslava and the children, and if you, it has been going on for so long children have also grown up with this method. i think it has been a long time since we have been separated from our reality, and we, starting these conversations, are only beginning to reanimate all these pains, and well, chess from the fact that

colossal injustice was happening before our eyes , insults were made in memory, then monuments were erected and street names were appropriated were given the title of hero without understanding anything and not intending only to give further information to society and journalism so that they shut up and did not delve into anything, this actually happened and continues to this day, and then they started to buy some more western people who started traveling here, to talk about them, it is necessary to be moral to fight corruption with the money of corrupt people , that is, that is all, cynicism has already set in, and we must already understand for ourselves what is really going on with this case . maybe one day a film will be made maybe it will be in 50 years, someday this story will arise again only when society will not be so painful and there will not be so much blood, but it will be laid out as a cause

and effect relationship when the killing of one person is so difficult 102 and contradictory well, maybe not exactly heroes as such, because i'm talking about ihor oleksandrov , who was beaten with bats for his speech against volotseisky, today everything will be smilyansk, and then there were also conversations on tapes when instructions were given and what he had to do solve all these cases. that's when the fires started that led donbas, the judges, these verbal conversations, you can say it was a simple stage, i used it for blackmail, but it was all ours, and there were people who testified that they knew that these conversations were correct it had to be investigated, it had to be fought, it had to be pushed out, but we couldn’t do it, and it all shifted , we are now saying how many people of some former

past are sitting there in these countries, yes, we have two fronts, one is an open military war with russia, and the others are inside the country is at war with its past, a war in which we have not yet had such great success and it can simply drag us into this hybrid state for a long time. thank you very much for the work on the book and thank you, mr. roman, for joining in for your work, by the way, also in support of the family and the already deceased mother of georgadze, and thank you for finding time for us, we talked very well and remembered and it hurt but there is hope that, after all, new ukraine will be able to close all its gestalts and one of these gestalts is not closed . it is very painful

and very tragic. in those days, i already knew a lot of things that are not talked about, but you can put a full stop there , we believe that it will be put and this place will be washed away from the reputation of the ukrainian government, first of all, this is a head on the weather with a headache there are various reasons, but there are solutions . combispasm and the head is normal

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a friendly team or spend time together outside of work? yes, of course, later it just becomes work and yours. let's say so, what is our shift? you stand in for her all the time, she is like your second family, you come here, you live with these people 24 hours a day, you are with them, and your relatives when you are on call, they know about it, they worry about you, first of all, the wife was constantly worried about it , worried about what else such a job is, well i chose such a job, i said and always. this is my job, and i will do it after that i chose her, well, later she got used to it, got used to it all and worries , worries

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chevrons that bring victory closer, the enemies thought that independence is just a word for us, but already from the first steps on our land, they were convinced that for centuries we defend our independence and are ready to fight for it again . the defense forces of ukraine are stubbornly relentless, step by step, winning, biting, squeezing out of the enemy's claws our land, our will, our independence, thank you for every moment and for this day we prove our independence every day hundreds of thousands of hectares of land and water need to be demined transport infrastructure is

a living artery that keeps the logistics of the army this bridges must be protected and destroyed enemies we are restored to our places with honor, we stand in line, we stand in defense of the good and the truth, the special transport service of the ministry of defense of ukraine has long been a special transport service of the ministry of defense of ukraine, it is normal to be afraid, but to admit your fear is brave we

need courage in the tcc, courage overcomes fear good evening public news traditionally on the 20th of the final event tuesday from you vyacheslava putin tetiana zhurkova and vlada sokolyuk release watch in rammstein format defense degradation destruction of elite russian troops ssus freed two villages

south of bakhmut yield forecasts this year did not come true what the agrarians gathered, what new challenges the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy has set before them ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi arrived at the ostap apartment of the un in new york, he will speak at the 78th session of the general assembly as part of the high-level week, our correspondent reports, today a general political debate will be held in the new - the heads of more than 150 countries of the world from the leaders of the permanent members of the un security council are gathering in new york. only the president of the united states, joseph biden, will personally participate in this session of the general assembly, his speech has already taken place, biden called on the assembly not to make concessions to russia, the speech of the president of ukraine is scheduled for a few minutes, olena kurynkova is currently working on chess in new york, and a little later she will join the live broadcast and tell all the details abrams tanks will soon be on the battlefield in ukraine about this was announced by the head of the pentagon luinosin opening the 15th meeting of the contact group on