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a part of the community with a ukrainian perspective . hello, this is freedom, the morning is an informational project of radio svoboda, guests, every day, this is the shipping district of kherson, live inclusion, we are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut we tell the main thing on weekdays at 9:00 the war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians victory and loss analysis and forecasts politics and geopolitics serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this people who have information and shape public opinion people who defend

ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict serhiy rudenko from monday to friday at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 a.m. congratulations, friends, this is a world view program my name is vasyl zima against the next hour 40-7 for a few minutes we will talk about the topic what is still important and still hurts despite all the transformations that ukrainian society went through, the ukrainian political elite or the ukrainian pseudo-political elite

political pseudo -elite what should i call the flowers that the ukrainian business elite went through and all these moments that we had in our history despite all this is the topic that we took into consideration today, it remains important because the answers to the questions, the key question of this topic, who commissioned the journalist georgy gongadze, we still do not have it. of the united states of america well, the same is true for ukraine, the case is heorhiy gongadze , a ukrainian journalist, a person who had a conflict, a direct conflict with the then ukrainian pseudo political elite, so oligarchic clans . the perpetrators of this crime were killed and punished, but we

still do not know the perpetrators. well, and about the circumstances of that day , september 17, to a greater extent, that evening of september 17, when on lesya ukrainka boulevard in journalists heorhiy gongadze were actually kidnapped in kyiv , then he was killed and thrown in the tarashchan forest. dany leonid danylovych kuchma, on these tapes, the words, well, kuchma, which he said that he will expose, take him away, obscene language, give it to the chechens, let them ask for a ransom , do you remember this key phrase? well, then of course, all the arrows went against kuchma, but everything is not so clear-cut in this story, we will talk today with people who definitely know more, and we are joining the conversation now roman

shingle to the editor-in-chief of the magazine, the liberation struggle p. roman, i wish you a good day. well, also literally from the minute for a minute we will invite you to a conversation , he told that who is the editor-in-chief of the den newspaper and that it was the den newspaper, the editor of the den publishing house , at one time worked for a long time together with journalists ivanov simvon and published a book which was called the boiler, and there is a big book about the case and all the circumstances of the case of georgy gongadze p. roman today passes, well, in fact , it was the day before yesterday, but these days it has been 23 years since georgy gongadze disappeared, he was killed . do you remember that day, er, september 17, when he disappeared, so he must have been killed on september 16, september 17, and let's start with that day and the events that preceded it, you definitely know more about this

and you want to tell us about it and we will listen willingly, please, well, actually, i may know such things that almost no one knows, because it so happened that i got locked up - i made friends with george, and during the time of the first red ruth, he fell in love with our girl from lviv, and mar and so it happened that george decided to move permanently to ukraine and for some reason we agreed that i would come to tbilisi to pick him up and transport him. and i definitely came, but it was such an experience. it was a long process. george was then studying international relations in tbilisi , he calculated with the university does not have it wanted to let him go we went to say goodbye to all his friends there every evening we returned after some red wine to his home it was 14 platon tbilisi a- and we always sang at his suggestion a-a sleep little cossack a play

in ukrainian always a driver came back and said it in the ukrainian language, said it like that i am a ukrainian and it is in the ukrainian language and it went on like that every evening, this is the footage that you are showing from the apartment of georgy honkadze, but i already did that with him . later it was when i defended him in court and in in the 13th year, lesya gongad gave me the keys to his apartment from tbilisi, i went there to collect documents and had the honor to take these photos, so here we were actually saying goodbye in tbilisi, he was saying goodbye to tbilisi and when it was actually time to move. - and ms. lesya says roman but you know that tickets are not sold in our forest for tickets to tbilisi, because all tickets for a year are bought by those who sell cloves and mandarins in ukraine, and i say and how do we go, we will fly more faithfully

she says, well, i got one ticket because she was the best pediatrician in tbilisi, she says number one on the plane, the ticket, that is, the first seat, and hands it to me, i say to mrs. lesya , how about uh, gia, because she insisted on naming him after georgia, agia, and not gongadze, but k kongadzik for the letter, i say and how to act and she says don't worry about gayoo well, i'm going with this number one ticket, get on the plane, get on my first seat, uh, i keep coming back, george isn't there, the plane seems to be filling up, the doors close and the plane departs outside the airport , the doors open again and it's crowded there as in a minibus maybe a hundred georgians, and it was simply impossible to get a seat at all, i'm spinning there, i'm coming back, there's no george, we're flying to lviv, but again, the plane stops somewhere outside the airport, all these georgians get out, the plane closes, then we approach the central aisle, very nicely, we all get out

and again, george is not there, when they check the passports, george doesn't wave his hand oh, i'm here, hello, i don't say , keeler, where are you, how did you go , did i not see you? drove the road to we moved to lviv, in lviv , again, or such a student's fun life, i was then the head of the youth public organization memorial a-a introduced nativity scene, we twice took the first place of george in our country, he was the king in nativity scene then another girl, then wife maryana, but this is not born, don't get confused with the one who now lives in canada, this is not another girl, but uh, well, life was so fun . well, then we made an introduction. i will now join the conversation. larisa ivyshin too i would like to make an introduction to the main events that we will discuss, namely the disappearance and abduction and murder of georgy gongadze, and then we will

try to understand the main main question the main question why do we still not know the names of those who ordered this kidnapping and this murder but everything is yeshina, she is the editor-in-chief of the newspaper victory day to myself i wish you a good day well actually mr. roman told his story of his acquaintance with georgy gongadze, his move to lviv is a very emotional and interesting and interesting story especially i for example, i don't know about this, i think that the audience didn't know this story either. i want you to tell your own story of georgy. let 's say it was before that day and in your opinion. stolen on i understand that it was lesya ukrainka boulevard, he accepted an apartment there and after that he was not seen alive again, please, this is a very dramatic story , one can say tragic for the family and for

hygiene, and of course for ukraine, it does not need it then there will be free coverage, because it has long become a cross-cutting theme of everything that is happening in our country. perhaps even with all his actions, he would not have started this tragic chain of events, but the circumstances of the social, political, psychological, moral state of society came together, and that is why, in principle, many people know what happened but she cannot bring this matter to completion, she needs political courage and, less than her fate , the hypocrisy of society itself, it was absolutely not incredibly difficult for me to look at those oaths of presidents starting with yushchenko who promised to investigate the case, but neither yushchenko nor poroshenko. well, of course, we don't talk about the presidential case either, they weren't

going to finish it because it's her case, and in fact , they didn't raise theirs, although it would seem that there was something more important. when i found the judge in person during the presidency of kuchma, yuriy vasylenko, deceased, who initiated a criminal case, and then it was possible even if he was brought before the court and it was at least proven that he was good, let there be access to the executors, let him not want and so it happened but the very fact of taking a person to court would show that ukraine was on the way to building a state governed by the rule of law .

this is what we are talking about. this is the one who understands, because by the way, to the history of dating, serhiy worked on the channel that was the forerunner of espresso, and i was then the editor of information programs, and mykola knyazhytskyi and i came up with a special evening edition for her, with the aim of the fact that all the politicians are already asleep and no one is watching, but it turned out that the gay made it a very watchable program and sharp and interesting. well, of course, then the whole channel is an interview with him, well, before the flow of what could become the norm in general for ukrainian television, unfortunately, it did not happen after 1994. the first hit was a comedy after 1999, the second . well, everything went on until the state in which the ukrainian information space is now. and this is closely related to the fact that ukrainian society cannot form

priorities seek a solution of some kind urgent problems for ukrainian society, and they move from stage to stage every year, the attack of truth-loving covers and then, unfortunately, everything returns to when the ruts of inertia were used by our competitors, the enemies of politicians hang on the covers of compromising materials well, some have already passed away, but there is a lot left and unfortunately, we as a society have not coped with this problem so far, and i do not see ahead of time, but none of the politicians who would be able to put a fair solution to this matter, although everything m-m sounded public in our country as well. as you know, one of the best journalists. i think ivanka bsamon, who was recently at the front and was seriously wounded, is now being treated in

a hospital, but still these days he is of the hospital bed reminded everyone about this tragic event, because he was the journalist who attended all the court hearings in the case of nations, but he was not awarded the gongadze prize. well, i think that he would not have accepted it, understanding its very difficult origin, and here we are again every time those journalists were asked what it was what did they torture you for, this is absolutely a devaluation of the values ​​for which they seem to stand, moreover, journalists are typically chosen in relation to those whose reputations can be violated, and we speak for the sake of what we cannot achieve and because we are such because we are so behave because we appreciate those lonely people with a reputation as hygienists, well, i got into this difficult situation , too, this is not an entirely obvious story, because

ihor oleksandrovich, who was killed earlier , was actually killed for his profession you mean kramatorsk? yes, you are talking about the murder of the journalist oleksandr - it was in kramatorsk that he was beaten with bats , as far as i remember, in sloviansk , slavyansk, that's all the events that led to what is now there in slov yanska what is happening, these were such beacons, such alarming lights ahead, which had to be responded to when there was an opportunity, and then this is all missed due to the metastasis already in the liver, so what is it called because now we see and wonder who the guests are right here in pinchuka, only journalists and hanna hopko once said that after responding to kosivskyi's letter inviting him to be a guest, she wrote him a letter saying why she could not accept this invitation, and it was a moral challenge in the family, which seemed to have some kind of grip on it

, but not in those whom we consider to be such iconic figures of ukrainian society absolutely as if they don't know anything, they take part , this continues the colossal company of bleaching and closing this case in front of all the people. to communicate with oleksandr volk, a person who was called the director of the parliament and who gave then he was there er belonged to the commission that dealt with the matter that this committee of the verkhovna rada was dealing with it then these meetings were still held on the second floor of the parliament v well , there where near the press box and i talked with him, then i talked with his assistant, and then there was such a narrative that kuchma was not involved in this . because if he had to, then he would definitely

not have started with gongadze. there was a journalist there. the publication that then, i have already forgotten, what kind of op-ed was yury lutsenko, and there were such, well, quite hypocritical articles related to leonid kuchm, we published him there in this publication and in the prison robbie well, as if what a to what is gongadze doing here, if even then this was the dominant dominant story, what does it mean that kuchma just blurted out on these tapes well, how did he blurt out he said it, i don’t want to do that after all second , let there be a second president i don’t have the right to humiliate in any way but well he said about giving his chechen to vyka they are asking where there was talk about gongaz, that this georgian was there already zadovbav well, remember these words are famous and that the russian special services allegedly used it in order to kill gongadze in this way, to create a point of pressure on leonid kuchma, well, then there were these court scandals, a lot of things others, as if to take kuchma under control in this way, and this topic was dominant. well, i don’t know, for many people, it was such that it was as if no one was to blame, it’s just that

the russians used this story in order to so gongadze and influence. just like such an adapter, yes, an adapter for current, but it wasn’t, it wasn’t, it was the main goal, but i would like to, roman. what do you think , why did this come about in general, and how plausible is it or not? after all, the story here is not about russia. no about kuchma, here is a story about the murder of a man who personified what was not needed at that time by the ukrainian political elite, this is freedom of thought, this is freedom of speech and independent journalism, please, actually, this is your last statement. it probably has the right for life, because the fact is that the particular person was an absolutely uncompromising person, he had no shades of gray, he was either black or white, and the corrupt structure of the state that kuchma himself built, the exposure of which the state stole entire branches of our industry and squabbled between his

close associates, could be correlated precisely with this uncompromisingness of the journalist georgy gongadze, that is exactly why kuz actually shouted that you quoted several times behind it that it should be sold to the chechens somewhere because this system could not be correlated could not correlate with the uncompromisingness of the journalist gongadze and that is why it ended the way it did and it ended because they could not exist in parallel, this is the second time, to what extent the presidents who are currently in power could or wanted to investigate. i don't know , many years have come, many people have already surely those who know this have died, no, there are also many people who are still afloat , and oligarchs who are close to kuzma, the very same his son-in-law, who, most likely

, was also involved in this murder, well i.e. everything is very difficult. well, there is no doubt that it is necessary to investigate, no doubt, and ukraine wants to know the truth . undoubtedly, we want one thing, but how can our state give us what we want? there is a big question mark here, and this state leadership is not better at all because of that. that we see the courts are absolutely the same as they were in practice, they seem to be reforming them . but again, i want to go back a little to the 13th year , when i accidentally met lesya gongadze near the pecherskyi court, where she was just sitting on the road crying, and i approached and said to mrs. lesya what happened, go, child, because you will also be killed, i say to ms. lesya, no, let's make a deal, we were drinking. it turns out that for 6 years they were carrying the idea of ​​suing the then deputy minister of internal affairs, jiva

mykola, who lied to georgy gongad , a liar, a thief, what are you talking about gongadze, some kind of exposer of cars in georgia, and he told it on television, and the press published it, and lesya tried to take him to court for five or six years. the court did not accept him. then , in the end, lesya, a ukrainian, somehow overcame the court, but the court did not convene a meeting. in fact, when he met lesya gongadze in the podpechersky district court, it turns out that the meeting was called somewhere, but the lawyer who was lesya or lesya was given a lawyer, well, let’s say that for treason against olesya, he changed her statement of claim and it seems that the case is being filed not against or against the e-e publication which it was printed in our house as gongadze, she sat crying and said that there is no truth, she will not achieve anything. i still convinced her that we will do it. i found an excellent lawyer, oleg the king, unfortunately, he

is no longer alive, he was replaced when he allowed children in buche with here we are with oleg the king the king in four sessions already without lesya gongadze because we told her not to go here at home, we in four sessions, i as the head of the public organization seaman and he as a new lawyer in four sessions won this case and who do you think we won it in the court of vovka, serhiy vovka, on june 17, 2013, we received a court decision that the name of georgy gongad is the correct one. this court decision is fair. and that mykola dzhiga should pay 1 hryvnia compensation to lesya gongadze. and publish in these types of which you didn't publish a lie, publish the truth, well, i definitely did not publish the truth, but i was able to get this decision from the court during the maidan and about a week before

the death of olesya gongadze, and as we know, she died on the night when there was the most carnage on the maidan . i gave her this is this decision. she cried a lot. she prepared some red fish for me. we got to know her . we talked in the middle of the night and she said that now i can die in peace because my son's honor is unfortunately, but unfortunately she is and did not know he reduced the most important thing about and about the customer, he did not see the punishment, we will talk about it again, about this key moment, now the pause literally did not last long, i ask you very much to stay in touch with us, we will return in a few minutes and go to the essence of our today's topic, well, actually about customers and why the gongadze case still remains. as they say, a crime without punishment, a collaborator, a person who knowingly cooperates with the occupation authorities to the detriment of their own country. until recently, these people

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