[000:00:00;00] according to petliura, veselev parisian circles received evidence from berlin that the murder of petliura was organized by the soviet authorities. the latter was extremely excited by the appearance in power of poland of pilsudsky, the great personal friend of petliura. moscow expects the strengthening of petliura's activities, supported by pilsudsky, in the organization of a new uprising against the bolsheviks in ukraine, and therefore it was decided to kill petlyura on june 17, 1926 that is, almost a month after the murder in petlyura or the cysts report report on the trail of cases they are watching through their agents, and this case will be a kind of premiere of the soviet extreme information war machine against ukraine, which continues to this day

. it is always important to avoid provocations and with provocateurs who themselves commit pogroms and beat up those weaker than us be merciless simon petliura congratulations friends thank you for being with us our broadcast continues for the next hour oleksiy gumom kateryna derkach thank you for your trust the european commission allowed but the grain is all

the same block poland, slovakia and hungary, despite the official cancellation of barva, they will not allow ukrainian grain to enter the country, the countries believe that the import of ukrainian grain leaves no chance for local farmers for them, it is a colossal loss, on the other hand, in kyiv , they emphasize the violation of the association agreement and the norms and principles of the single market and promise in case of disagreement of individual countries to appeal to the world trade organization about the fate of ukrainian agricultural exports , president volodymyr zelenskyi and andrzej duda will try to come to an agreement in new york we will deal with this situation with denys marchuk, deputy head of the all-ukrainian agrarian council. congratulations, congratulations, and the attacks are already in touch with us. olga trofimtseva, former acting minister of agrarian policy and food of ukraine, congratulations, we are also glad to see you. so, ladies and gentlemen, let 's try to figure it all out the real reasons for the fact that despite , let's say, all the calls, the countries, in particular among our closest neighbors, still do not want ukrainian grain to be transported through their

territory p. denisa, how much profit is there really in the financial one. because the politicians are here. help us figure it out. well, for ukraine, these are really financial losses for poland , slovakia, which is in the process of electoral elections. this is politics, and for hungary, this is politics in general. we do not even undertake to comment because we know the consistent position against everything ukrainian. what to look at the reasons that led to these events, which have actually been going on there for more than six months, because the de facto ban began in april, the legal aspects of it began in may, and we faced a situation when ukraine really has no possibility to import to these countries, in particular, we are talking about slovakia, hungary, bulgaria, romania, and actually this led to financial losses of about 170-180 million euros every month.

october elections, the political process is approaching, the distance between the authorities and the opposition forces is shrinking, and believe me, 18% of the rural population, agrarians, farmers, who are such active voters, there is a struggle for them, and therefore in the near future we will not it is unfortunate to see a solution to this situation, even with all the desire to believe in the conversation that will take place between the two presidents in new york, because there are elections ahead on october 15 , then the formation of a coalition government, it may still take time at least until the end of the 23rd year , but then another one was formed position, you see that poland started with the issue of the import ban and then goes on to say why should we allow ukraine to export or import to its territory at all , given that they are not yet members of the european union, and we will consider it in more detail

the presence of ukraine and a member of the european union in the context of trade, including for these grain indicators, so this is the story even until the end of the 23rd year. it is certain that it will not end with some dialogue there, and once and for all, the positions of one page are that ukraine today will resort to arbitration until arbitration procedures regarding a-a three countries . this is slovakia, hungary , poland, well, this is a procedure that will be carried out by the profile ministry of the ministry of economy. the reason for this blockade is exclusively politics and elections, local elections in these countries that are currently blocking ukrainian grain , and if history is really political, will politicians be able to solve it in the near future? and if we say that all this is connected with elections, what can happen after of these elections, so this is already the next question. yes, thank you, thank you for the question, first of all, i really

agree with my dear colleague denys in many respects, and i have little to add here. ukraine's accession to europe and the future accession of ukraine to the european union, and this can really be formulated or shaped as we see how difficult this path will be for us even now, even though the official negotiations regarding ukraine's accession to the european union have not even begun yet. if you answer the question, the election is a politician . and really, to what extent are there any real problems, and how much is politics? there are political arguments or factors that play a significant role in their position, but in addition, i still wanted to say that in my opinion, looking at how the situation is developing right now during our

conversation with you, including i think that this is also an attempt by these countries. i would say so, to raise the stakes again, but in this trade game, uh, and we are not talking about ukraine, but about brussels, of course, today at lunch there is a meeting in brussels in an online and offline format everyone interested in this the situation of the parties, including ukraine, of course, this will be the first attempt, for sure, of such a well, negotiations, yes, indeed, this is such a diplomatic solution to this issue. and will it be possible or can some compromise be reached ? that it is quite possible that today there will be at least some hints about that okay, what do we do next because the european commission here must not forget that it must also respond yes po here to such and such position of the member countries yes

regarding imports and once again trade policy is only the prorogatives of the european commission, uh, countries at the national level cannot make such decisions, and hmm, and therefore what concerns the meeting of the presidents in the next few days in new york, and here, too, i do not expect any breakthrough. unfortunately, it is possible that the rhetoric will soften some kind of attempt again to instruct the governments to figure it out, let's give an instruction to the governments , let's say yes, to hold some additional consultations there, to do something similar, but here too , we should not expect a quick decision regarding the arbitration. yes, we have already heard our the ministry of economy is our trade representative, mr. duck, and he has already said clearly that we will initiate this procedure within the framework of the world trade organization, but i would also like to request that the arbitration within the framework of the world trade organization lasts not one day, but two days, it is quite a long procedure which

it can take up to a year for the anti-terrorist operation, sometimes even more, and right now , again, they find news that, for example, poland and hungary, you know, they seem to me to be acting a little now, but they are really acting only to escalate the situation to see what will happen next from the side of ukraine from the side of the european union because hungary has expanded the list of products that it has banned for import into its territory from ukraine there by more than 20 items that are ok for ukraine are not so critical because hungary is not for us a priority market, yes, according to these positions, poland has now also added to the grain and oil products that were initially there four groups of products, yes, and has now added certain types of products, processed products, and grain products, this is already fundamental for ukraine. therefore

that some of these products are really actively exported to the polish market , that is why the situation is developing very, very quickly with a hot eye. thank you, mr. denys. the grain is still going there . we are already certain losses, and after all, the sea corridors are closed. and if, for example, these countries will also, let's say, stick sticks in our wheels, how much can it be reflected simply on the financial condition on the well-being let's say so ukrainian farmers well, let's say so according to the data of the national bank of ukraine, that is, until the end of this 23rd year, and if the market with the import of ukrainian products to these countries does not fully work, then we will actually lose about 600 million euros, that is, everything directly the losses that we bear directly in trade relations with these countries, but what part, but as noted by ms. olga, that is, we still understand for ourselves that the contexts of trade relations with

these countries are too large, and to a greater extent we are using these countries to use their logistics infrastructure, including sea ports, so the key negotiations, even at the level of the presidents of ukraine, will still be an opportunity to preserve transit if you wish, and to replace only e-e exclusively with e-e export corridors there are river ports across the danube, unfortunately, this will be very difficult to achieve, therefore it is strategically important for us that cars and railways should still move, at least as a transit through poland, hungary, slovakia , romania, bulgaria, and this will give the opportunity still not to lose the type of potential and financial funds that we could get if we take a normal place from work, then from the grain corridor and from the possibility of exporting through solidarity corridors, ukraine received monthly within the limits of one billion 200 million euros, that is, these are the funds for which we had to pay every month to calculate under normal circumstances the functioning of all

export routes. you see. now, for a little while , we will stop being able to carry out. additional losses in the minus there stas 70 millions of euros ot such ot it would seem insignificant things but very negative things in relation to our economy because the weight of the support of the armed forces of ukraine - these are the funds that we invest in our defense, these funds that we we can purchase our weapons in order to repel the enemy, and the further the situation escalates, the more difficult it will become for ukraine, because of course we wanted to see more weapons, but you see how slowly deliveries are made in this weapons and a large part must be done on one's own efforts, including the agricultural sector, which works not only to ensure food security and the possibility of exports . -e a lawsuit to the world trade organization, then you say that

in fact the arbitration can last up to a year , if indeed the blockade will drag on for so long and so long there will be showdowns, so what will we lose as a result these are probably some crazy sums. well, i think that i demonize our partners a lot, and i'm very sure that i really am just myself, so i'm staying here, that is, my city. i hope that a diplomatic solution will be found , a solution will be found that will suit let's put it this way, all the parties found themselves in this situation . and it seems to me that it will be necessary next time to not prolong this particular situation. payback. of all parties, and all the more so that we will start harvesting the same corn until the end of the year, and

accordingly, it is necessary to make as much effort as possible now to intensify the dialogue with the same european commission with brussels, and in order to find everything - still an understanding with our neighboring countries, but at the same time, i would still like to remind you that there will be losses , of course, members here, i support mr. denys , again, in the fact that this affects the entire economy of our country and because the apc is now well actually pulls yes in this sense in a lot of things and the incoming currency holds not only the hryvnia, but also actually holds there the expenditures on our main industries, including the industrial park a-a hmmm if we speak let's not forget, after all, that gradually gradually all- after all, there is more and more optimism about the so-called temporary black sea corridor, because we saw that in recent days, two dry cargo ships entered and left the ports of the great odessa, so, after all, this is

an element , let's say, of bold actions of ukraine. i also play a role here too i hope that in all these directions, the black sea, the danube, land routes with the european union will be completed by the end of the year. the work that will allow us to at least stabilize the situation with our agricultural exports and so that our farmers can really have some the horizon of planning and secondly, don't worry at all about your own survival, let's say, elementary mr. denis and what will happen to the grain that, for example, ukraine will not be able to export, here we are talking about the fact that we are counting on certain logistical routes of the corridor, but if everything no it will be possible. what do we expect with this grain, because after all, the volumes are not too large, that is, every month under such conditions, said ms. olga , if this humanitarian corridor from the black sea also works, it could immediately give

the opportunity to export at least 1 million tons and together with the river ports and the land route , we would manage to make within the limits of four and a half five million every month. and this would be enough to ensure the export potential to foreign markets and the release of a-a let's say this, warehouses from transitional balances which could be formed this season, if this is not done, then of course it will be in warehouses, it will be in the elevators of commodity producers, and commodity producers will bear additional losses , because by handing over their grain, they pay for it, which is directly in storage and can be repeated, although of course already i certainly wouldn't want that and i don't want it. and when in the 22nd year i really have the opportunity to fully export for six months, ukraine has already entered the new season with transitional balances that reached more than 22 million tons, and now it is the situation does not threaten us, moreover, we had the support of our international partners who gave ukraine the opportunity on a free basis, in particular, to ukrainian

merchants to use such bags , polymer sleeves for storage, if it becomes so critical, i think that the government of ukraine will return to this practice but again after all, if you look at their volumes , it is quite realistic to create them in today's conditions in order to export without stopping. for domestic and manufacturers is below the market level by 40%. and although we export, the losses are not very large in the grain group. we are already in the red. that is, we are no longer making money. we are in the red. there is hope that it will partially grow, at least in the mini crops of soy , sunny kripak, but it will depend on the circumstances. we will count more well, i apologize. perhaps this question is not entirely correct, but simply, i imagine that we have a surplus of grain, which we cannot, for example , export, we can make

some kind of products from it, and this product, for example we can send and sell, of course, the only question is where we will be sending. i think mrs. olga will tell in more detail about the same markets, the same as well as the struggle for foreign markets that need to be attended to, and that need to conduct a certain promotional campaign in order to get there it is not so easy to enter, it is done, i will tell you such an example, when a full-scale invasion began and we did not have the opportunity to export, many of our producers began to process wheat into flour, and from flour began to make cereals and that he sat in those groups also because he did not have sales markets, for this a very large amount of work must be carried out and worked through mrs. olya, can you also tell us about such examples, that is, it is not an option for us, just try to process it into products, for example, this grain and try to sell it abroad, the situation is the same with food wheat, which is used for baking bread, which is used for the production of some mahogany products, we

may have a small deficit, but it is in short supply on the market, even for our own production, but what it concerns precisely the cereals that are used for animal husbandry. yes, we have too much of the same fodder corn, but we are unlikely to produce anything from fodder corn, let's say what is needed for our food with you, nevertheless, there are other types of processing, there is also animal feed there are also the same bran that they make , and there are also a bunch of different types of such products, let’s say semi-finished products, some of them are used very actively in animals, first of all, or in the processing industry, and accordingly, some part of these products can be processed and we see examples, and not only for export, we see examples of e.e. farmers who are small in that, who then unite in cooperatives that make at least a small processing such a program for

themselves and for the region and they start selling their own flour, and whose flour i pity. but somewhere in some oblasts of oblasts, there are such examples in kyiv oblast, there are such examples in vinnytsia oblast and other oblasts, and that’s why it’s so. it also forces farmers to be. well, i would said yes, more creative, yes, if it didn't sound now , it's a pity for the bread of war, of course yes, but nevertheless, they are really looking for different opportunities now in order to move away from this dependence on the great dependence on the main types of cereals that they gave this mass of export crops, and therefore gradually, i think this process will develop plus niche crops plus someone will grow vegetables, as this season has already shown, and that is, a kind of forced diversification of agricultural production is also taking place against the background of all these negative events. thank you to ms. olga for helping to sort things out. olga trofimtseva, the former acting minister of agrarian policy and

food of ukraine, joined our broadcast . thank you, ms. olga. of course, thank you to mr. denys. actually, about this lawsuit, that ukraine will sue the world trade organization regarding the actions of poland, hungary , slovakia, and specifically about poland, what does panteras say, and i will quote him it is important to convey that these actions are legally wrong, that is why tomorrow we will start legal proceedings , and kyiv can also introduce mutual measures regarding the export of polish vegetables and fruits. in ukraine, he is shyroky and how big and powerful is he, is it really painful, can he hit them, and

in this way we may come to an agreement , well, look here, the questions are defended in that uh, where are we ready to go and what are we ready for to agree because i think that on the eve of the meeting of the two presidents, the question of submitting to arbitration will still be decided , most likely we will wait for zelensky's conversation with duda, and then we will take more concrete actions, but as for the arbitration, from the point of view of the protection of the national producer, this a very correct and worthy step in the context that this will be a signal to show to the whole world . look again , it 's not going well. the commission is unable to bring all the member countries of the european union to a single trading regime, then we cannot also guarantee fruitful cooperation with other continents or other countries that are not members of the european union and actually give

this issue more resonance, such actions from the point of view of practicality and pragmatism are it is quite correct regarding mirror actions regarding mirror actions when the poles say that where there is a question of protecting the national producer, we will go to the last and we will protect when the ukrainians do the same ukrainians are becoming nationalists, i'm sorry, yes, which actually prevent any kind of relationship, so i believe that in these conditions, especially in the war, when ukraine, like you and i, noted all the funds, everyone, wherever possible, collects and spends on its defense, including emphasizing the defense of the east of europe not giving the russians the opportunity to continue their movement in this way, this is probably the right decision in order to further form a certain platform for negotiations regarding the presence of polish products. well , for example, if we take the vegetable group, then this the vast majority of it begins in such an autumn-winter period when we

no longer have a sufficient number of offers of our own vegetables that are in storage systems, but there is demand from the population and at this time we see a lot of importers from turkey, poland in including and so on the same borscht set, what is its share on the market in ukraine, i honestly do not know , that is, how much it is worth millions of dollars anyway, the volume has increased one way or another , contact especially in the 22nd year at the beginning in the 23rd year, when we lost the temporarily occupied territories of the kherson region of the zaporizhzhia region, which were replaced by these things , of course the importers were present . you won't see any problems with this, the only problem will arise when we move to storage in ukraine, unfortunately, it's not so important how much you will produce, but how much you will store it for the whole year, and that's why we have difficulties

that including the storage systems they remained in the temporarily occupied territories or were in the not-so-occupied territories and they were either destroyed, therefore, of course, in all aspects, the share of the presence of imports will be important. can we replace it with someone else? i think we can. took place at the beginning of june of this year, when polish traders on their borders came out with a ban not only on imports, but also on the transit of ukrainian products . two days later, ukrainian agrarians came out of of the same initiative on the border with ukraine and literally when they saw a long line of traffic jams that formed with cars of polish production moving to ukraine, they stopped their protest actions , that is, they began to understand what losses they bring to their economy. that's why they have today to feel that ukraine is not doing this because we have nothing to do, the main reasons are russia's full-scale invasion and the impossibility of fully using the black sea as

the main logistics route of the ukrainian of products pavlo martusheva, an analyst at the center for food and land use research of the kyiv school of economics, joins our broadcast, pavlo, welcome and have a good day . here i am from grain. the vegetable garden is certain. and i would like to hear how planned it is, what changes in prices in the agricultural sector we will see in the near future, what trends there really is a seasonal slump in vegetables, we have good weather conditions for this year, but it was successful. and what happened with the kakhovka eu is a decrease in the supply of certain vegetables, primarily tomatoes, but on the other hand, we should expect that prices will not drop very low , because a certain part of vegetables

is imported in our country, that is why it is so seasonal there are squats, but to talk about a direct reduction in prices is a cardinal one on the horizon for a few months . in fact, there are meat and dairy products. and oil plus problems with logistics and we will get a reduction in grain prices there. if we are talking about imports, since you have already mentioned them , before that we discussed with mr. denis how much , for example, among vegetables and fruits, polish vegetables and polish vegetable crops occupy on the ukrainian market, do you own them? from the information, we understand that at first there was a full-scale invasion, objectively the number of imported products increased on

ukrainian shelves, but do you know what percentage this is at the moment, in particular, no i guess i won't say the percentage, i specialize more pozornula that's why i probably won't tell you about poland , but it seems to me that it is no more than 30% there. why are we actually talking about this because of the fact that in connection with the blockade organized by several countries for ukrainian grain, the ministry of economy claims that it will appeal to the world trade organization, and actually one of the methods can be, for example some kind of mirrors well, not sanctions, but actions, and it is possible to ban the import of vegetables and garden products from these countries, in particular from poland, that would be effective. about mirror e-e mirror some methods of influence that we as a state can apply in order to demonstrate to our partners

that ukraine needs their support and support not only at the front, but support in e-e in the export and food industry . well, if we want, we can implement this has been done in recent years. due to non-tariffization , there are some reasons why products cannot enter the domestic market, well, we saw this , let's say with chicken... certain indicators according to which the smoker could not enter the european market now it makes sense to really talk with the polish government and with the european union another matter is that

indeed in poland the electro-electoral cycle and e. tam take into account the interests of farmers, and poland is a rather significant beneficiary of the european budget , that is, within the framework of the common agricultural policy of the eu, poland will receive significant subsidies, and for some reason in such a case, when poland talks about banning the import of our products, they are not from subsidies that are received from the joint budget. therefore, this dialogue must be developed. i think that there will be some kind of compromise, but it will not be possible in the near future, mr. denys . i want to return to the topic of prices again . what is there, the price of grain is probably only one of the components that form these prices. however , will we see any changes or are there any reasons for this, prices are already changing, in fact, everything started back in june, in fact every month until today, the