[000:00:00;00] they decided something that the russian occupiers are russian soldiers, that they are local residents, which means that during hostilities, we have a fairly clear position regarding the fact that the invaders must be killed , the liquidator liquidated or destroyed, and the local population has nothing to do with us, serhiy lavrov decided that if the shields came from somewhere, or from baranaul, or from somewhere else, then it is local , nothing like that, well, this is a classic option , that is, there is, uh, i always remember this is the same technique lavrov used as the uh president once upon a time of ukraine, after he was just elected, in one of the interviews, if i'm not mistaken , one of the tv channels said something like this that if

someone thinks that this land is russia , that it will be very difficult for him here that it's russia, then the president of ukraine said that if you want to live in russia, please move to russia for the sake of your children , for the sake of the future, and so on, then don't - serhiy viktorovich ribbentrop told all the events like this. he was there for several years when europeans came to moscow, he also went to europe. he said that he expels the russians ethnos, what is citizenship here, in principle, and it's the same situation. well, i like it very much. it means that we are threatening to destroy someone there, and the baltic states are conducting a similar policy. well, they

know that i didn't feel that in i was destroyed by someone there. and as for me, children should have the same rule here. well, in principle, on the baltic sides, from the beginning, i want to live in russia , a suitcase, a train station in moscow, please , bye, go, love putin, speak russian , there will be russian schools , russian nazism, and so on. well, actually everyone everyone understands just the question, again , the fact is that this tribune is not a mission for making any decisions. that's all. the decision on the no-fly zone in libya, what do you remember then, they had dmitry medvedev as the president there , and they voted, they got it well , what actually happened is what happened, i don't know, instead of the no-fly zone, nato

planes flew there and the result is understandable discuss as much as you want. i even remember that at that time putin criticized medvedev for this, by the way. such is the option, but the fact remains that there was some kind of agreement . in the news and in books we saw about it. people come and save for peace, for people's rights and so on. no, it doesn't matter. just for now , the only thing that can be said here is to wish success to those people who work in the un apparatus, because they are very big salaries and leon pensions are generally easy to start, but nothing more than that the secretary general of nato and institut tenberg said that it is foolish to decide the future of this or that country and that it is not for moscow to decide

who will be members of the north atlantic alliance and who will not. and why did he say this ? let's listen now. if latvia and lithuania joined nato in order to withdraw from russia , then this their choice, the people of latvia , lithuania, poland decided their future, not for moscow to decide , everyone chooses their own future and say that nato is aggressively expanding to the east. no , the east is joining nato and it is a free democratic decision and we must respect it. by the way, for some reason i was listening to stoltenberg and remembered putin's ultimatum at the end of the xxi year and when he addressed messages to the united states of america that everything should be the way it was there at the beginning in the

expansion nato and eastern europe . he also spoke about the fact that nato should fulfill some of its promises. i don't know what promises were made to the soviet union back then, when nato was dividing europe, well, i mean when europe was actually reuniting. putin didn't divide it all the time either . lived in this illusion, well absolutely it is obvious that the west will never fulfill the ultimatum that putin articulated in the 21st year by actually giving the ultimatum and threatening with nuclear weapons, because at the beginning of the 22nd year, when macron already flew to moscow, putin said, well, we all still

we will show something like that and he was like he was so happy that they have nuclear weapons he can blackmail the world and the world that there will be no more returns until some conditions are fulfilled, some kind of ultimatum of putin's demands, or is there still an option when at some point putin stops the war and we will have to agree on something with him, well, nato was never going to fulfill any ultimatums, this should also be recorded here got scared. unfortunately, joseph in this package of military aid refrained from handing over these rockets to atakams, which means that they think that it is necessary to boil the russians in our country further. as for the fact that this does not mean that it will not happen in the future, except in

this case everything will be anyway, well at least that is what experience shows now , what about nato? well, you see, the russians have a slightly distorted concept, and any negotiations will only be on one point , in fact, this is where it ends hostilities and actually, the de facto border of russia and ukraine will pass there. well, it is desirable that it should be no more west than the recognized state borders of ukraine , but about nato, listen here , we need to ask our russian comrades the question why are everyone running away from them just like how only they can this phrase mmm promised us that nato will not expand it is strange because it is against the thing of the law of democracy no one can promise for some other state these are sovereign decisions actually

everything in the western world is based on this principle and this the same applies to the states and the baltic states, the same to slovakia or hungary. well, how is it that someone essays politicians in the 90s can refuse a state that meets all the membership criteria on the basis of what? well, not at all this metaphobia, it's so selective, remember how nato get out get out ah-ah two line of the 97th year and so on and so on but de facto ide-jura sweden and finland have become members of the alliance that we heard from banyak oh , yes, we have nothing against him, this is their sovereign decision .

the time of something, it was the same as it was, it’s almost the same, that you’re going to overthrow stalin, that i’m going to leave kharkiv , that it’s almost like the time of the rocket’s flight is the same , but the emotions are completely different, well, in fact, this is all an excuse to attack ukraine let's put it bluntly they never do they calculated that against nato, we are paying for the fact that we thought for so long whether to join or not to join, we must remember this monster viktor yanu who now lives in sochi, at one time he refused, he already wrote a letter in 2008 , and in nato, no, no we do not want thank you mr. roman, the time of our program is unfortunately coming to an end but i will say that the pentagon promises abrams tanks in a few days in the coming days of the week, so it was said on this optimistic note, we will end our conversation it was a novel tsymbalyuk a journalist it was a program verdict about and serhiy rudenko wishes everyone well

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guests of the studio events of the day in two hours big vasyl's air in the winter, a project for smart and caring people in the evening, naispresso. welcome to the espresso channel. so, volodymyr zelenskyi ended his official visit to the united states and announced significant results , in particular. he said that there is a long-term the agreement that ukraine will jointly produce the necessary weapons with america. and as an example, these can be air defense systems, zelensky said . of course, this is important. at the same time, on the agenda, as far as i am concerned, are weapons for today and tomorrow, and this is financial support from the united states and security guarantees for ukraine this was mentioned by the way in washington , where congress is currently considering the request of the white

house for additional aid to ukraine in the amount of 24 billion dollars during a meeting with american congressmen volodymyr zelenskyi called on them to provide this aid to ukraine because otherwise , without this aid, everyone would lose , said zelenskyi, but the republicans at this time were asking about the effect of the aid already provided and financial money and asked about ukraine's plans for further hostilities. to the format of the security guarantee, this is an extremely important thing, because putin has lost this hope of being able to wait out the period of unity of the world's leading countries in support of ukraine regarding the security guarantee. joe biden said that the usa has begun the process of formalizing our

long-term commitments to ukraine's security together with other leaders of the g7 and other international partners , but there are not many details yet, because as we can see, this process is ongoing. so, about the aid to ukraine from the states that have fallen against the background of the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi. what strategy and decision does our president choose for the partner our pre-election period and how it will affect our ability to defend and advance, how it will affect the course and prospects of our war with the enemy, we will talk about this in the next issue of our programs on the espressos channel by leading ukrainian experts, my name is serhii zgorets, i am the director of the information consulting company defense express, which is a community that tries to highlight the most relevant trends related to the security of our country through press channels, and now it is joining us. valentin batrak is the director of the army research center of conversion and disarmament of analytics writer valentina congratulations, i am glad to see sergey vitaya on the live broadcast of the espresso channel and glad as

always to be invited to this broadcast, but i wanted to start with your general assessments of the results of zelensky's stay in washington, because before we perceived, yes, we still perceive the position of the united states through the prism of assistance within such a certain framework so that russia does not win and ukraine does not lose, but it seems that this is actually from the point of view of our interests are not enough, but in relation to the interests of the united states itself. how do you evaluate the statements of the words that would have been said during the visit ? well, the decision is different . the result is one ukraine ah-ah stood and it continues to stand yes and in principle washington is satisfied with this result

yes it is better for washington it is better for the biden administration now that ukraine is standing it is resistant it is fighting eh but eh that ukraine well, so far, biden won. this is not necessary. i thought for a long time whether it was a mistake in western countries , including the biden administration, or whether this was done deliberately, because ukraine was underarmed before the offensive and made incorrect assessments of russia and the potential of the russian defense, and with the potential of the ukrainian offensive, i now tend to believe that this was done deliberately, and i want to remind you that on the first day of the visit, zelensky wrote that we are on the finish line in the negotiations about attacks on missiles , tactical army tactical missile

complexes which are very much needed by the ukrainian army now and thanks to which ukraine would receive taurus cruise missiles under german and could move on with the shooting of all logistics infrastructure centers in crimea, in particular and this would lead to enormous pressure on the putin regime, and i do not rule out that this year it could end a generally hot company, because russian groups could generally be sprinkled. such a revolutionary study has now been done in russia that a mobilized person lives in russia for an average of four and a half months from summons to bury him in the cemetery or leave his body here on ukrainian territory, that's why the situation

was very much in favor of the ukrainian defense forces, but now we have what we have , the west has concentrated on the west, including the biden administration has actually focused on the 24th year when ukraine will get the first f16 planes and when when will the new options be possible maybe because sullivan said very clearly that uh the issue of uh attack is not closed but it may arise on the agenda later later this probably somewhere at the level of the 24th year er and therefore evaluating the visit as a whole and the next day after zelenskyi said that er the question is rocketing to the finish line the next day this question did not arise and it was already said that er is

primarily a conversation about anti-aircraft defense, but definitely this is a very necessary conversation and from all contexts and the cover of the f-16 airfields and the cover of our decision-making centers and ultimately the protection of the civilian population, although we understand that it will be impossible to close the whole of ukraine even if ukraine really aimed to get those 50 e complexes of the petriv missile defense systems , which zelensky once mentioned, then the ambitions were reduced to 12 systems , because it is really not possible and not realistic in the future to get such a huge number of such expensive systems in the end ukraine has already received 76 billion dollars of aid from western partners and the vast majority of it is from the united states, and it is from america itself, so the issue

of joint production. well, for now, we need to figure out what kind of joint production it is. if we are talking about the possibility of certain localization, then it will not be bad. because we know that poland literally this year at the end of the summer and the beginning of the fall announced two major localization projects , in particular, poland will process the javelin anti-tank complexes and poland will produce a part of the hymars in the of the number of missiles, i think those are not for attacks from a, those that are used for salvo fire for hm and will produce parts of himers launchers, i will say that if poland receives 45 missiles now, and also it would be very good if the ukrainian authorities and the americans worked with poland to ensure that ukraine received these 45 missiles, and

poland, in turn, moved further. unfortunately , the reactive diplomacy of the ukrainian authorities failed for the second time. the first time it happened with israel , we know very well spoiled relationship now with poland therefore, it is necessary to think about this, because, actually , washington made poland the main bridgehead in europe, and here ukraine could claim to do certain things together with poland and advance further precisely in localization of production, it is currently unknown what kind of production it will be, but i want to finally remind you that ukraine has not announced how much it has already announced and how much it did not want to advance military-technical cooperation, so far no joint

venture with a foreign country has been created unfortunately, in the 18th year, an agreement was reached with turkey on the creation of a joint enterprise, the black sea shield, but the situation did not go any further. comes to the market independently and builds enterprises here, now the most real and such a kipiai, so to speak, the indicator will be the german area of ​​metal, if it is true, the article of the 23rd year will begin joint production, joint works from repairs, this will be the first step towards the creation of joint factories, which ukraine desperately needs, because it is both technology and opportunities, then to expand the export, the joint export of weapons, and in the end, this is a big policy, because the arrival of large

western companies in ukraine - this is as much a part of the security guarantee as in in the context of the acquisition and creation of advanced technologies and the separation of technology from hostile russia, yes and actually speaking, the presence of western businesses inside ukraine, which will be a deterrent factor e for e for the russian authorities, i hope the next russian government, which will be more cautious than this putin criminal putin criminal regime, so, in general , if you take the question of the assessment of the visit , eh, eh, if there were not this eh, this statement about joint productions, it would be possible at all to say that the results are very, very problematic, that the goal was not achieved, but in the end , these are new days of opportunity. they somehow equalize

the general problems of the visit and the problems, i think, not so much by the ukrainian authorities, but now by the american what power is now wavering and cannot make a decision regarding the strategic support of ukraine because there is no geopolitical decision regarding russia and there is no decision regarding the destruction of the regime . actually speaking, they are taking the main burden of the defense force of ukraine and what is the conclusion from this , the conclusion is very obvious that ukraine needs more than now to focus on our own missiles and our own drones and unmanned systems, both air and sea and land-based - this is a very

powerful element of asymmetric weapons together with by the traditions of the special forces of ukraine yes yes yes just about the fact that the united states is currently going through such a difficult period from the point of view of internal political struggle, when zelensky spoke before congressmen, when he was there discussing the terms of providing financial assistance or the details of past assistance, zelensky said that what will not happen financial support, that is, if we do not receive help, we will lose the war . zelenskyi in such a narrow circle with congressmen, we will lose the war, how should we interpret it, i think that it is more broadly than the issue of the ukrainian russian front, in particular , the question of the attitude of the united states to the russian threat and attempts to build such a strategy of its own which seems to be more far-sighted compared to the interests of ukraine, but where is the factor when

the situation in ukraine looks like we are closing the main problems with our own efforts, the question arises as to how capable the united states really is to protect the interests of your partners, what do you think about this, the phrase is definitely so figurative, yes, it is said in such a way that it looks a little scary, but there is a big nuance related to the fact that our loss or our victory is interpreted in our country and in the west, our loss is different. what zelensky says means that we will not achieve the goal and will not be able to achieve the liberation of all of ukraine, but this situation is not considered a loss in washington

and washington, it would be a normal compromise. even to freeze the war er and when they did the provision of this summer dash of the autumn campaign, the emphasis was on the army reaching the sea, disbanding the er russian group and destroying the land corridor . this was the main goal in its best form , the main goal was er this is liberation in the land of the liberation of those territories that were captured after february 24, 22nd , they did not even think about other territories, and this is frankly about , but these ideas through the western mass media and through insider channels we we know well, but in the end, zelenskyi remembers churchill's saying just as well that the americans will do everything right, but after uh , they try all the other options, so now

it's just about the fact that all the other options are being tried, and the missile missile issue is postponed a little and in case if there really will be a threat to the fall of ukraine, then the americans will speed up the provision of f16 and uh, they will accelerate the provision of uh-uh missiles for these attacks with uh, and maybe some other weapons like uh-uh, fire support helicopters or maybe drones operationally, strategically, operationally and tactically, all this is possible, but for now, unfortunately, the situation looks like this, the main burden of the war is placed on the defense forces , on the ukrainian soldiers