[000:00:00;00] farmers, namely, farmers and the peasantry, the post relies on its electoral base in its activities, so everything is clear here. i think everything will be fine . everyone understands how it will be. and how it will be. there is simply no need to develop further. to forget that poland has its own national interest. although it is an ally and advocate , and ukraine has its own national interests. what do you think, mr. igor, and the ukrainian establishment is ready to somehow act taking into account its own national interests, but also taking into account allies is a complex and rather fragile topic that on the one hand subjectivity is exactly when i am ukraine or it does not matter if i am finland because i am estonia i say what i have

to say but on the other hand i have friends and i don't want them either to create an awkward situation, an awkward situation is not so easy, you and i remember well the 90s, when the ukrainians were the opposite of the ukrainian stem, they were generally afraid, and everyone, oh, we will offend, oh , we will offend turkey here, let's shut up oh, and here we will offend, eh, where estonia, and here we will offend poland was very much disliked by such children, well, it looks like you are not a child of ukrainian selfies. today, he grew up. do you think you know a very correct question, recently he commented on it precisely on upbringing, based on this , the ukrainian national elite must first of all realize what is in the national interests of ukraine in given the situation and just sharpening our position based on the fact that no one dictates to us we

must have our own pride and so on who will win from this, ukraine will surely win , poland will win, i don't think so either, but russia will win because any aggravation of relations between our countries is a game in favor of russia. that is why you are absolutely wrong. it seems to me that you understand the current political elite better. unfortunately , the change that took place took place in the 19th year , when the urban political elite there was a serious problem. but it shows that they do not have such political experience and social experience of interaction with other states. they have experience of interaction between other people, and this is their experience. they

are trying to broadcast on interstate channels. international relations, which are much more complicated by their nature, much more fragile. as you say, that's why i think that, unfortunately, in these conditions, the ukrainian national political elite has failed the test of political wisdom . thank you, let's move on. i agree with you too. but simply as i have always said that it is necessary to monitor the opening of fronts very carefully, if you have a huge front in the east and in the west, there are also fronts in the form of hungarians, then you still open one more front with poland well, somehow it is necessary here to think whether you have enough resources on all fronts, but the question is your impression of the visit, uh, voyage , i would even say mr. president in north america, america, canada, for the first time , let's focus on america, there are quite controversial opinions. some say that there

was a warm and pleasant reception in canada, a cold one congress of the united states that there was no speech before all chambers well and so on and so on and the attacks did not give or gave little general impression well, first of all i wanted to say that this visit is significantly different from that visit, which was in december last year, and indeed there was such a breakthrough, and the breakthrough was on the personal front, because then i think there were certain fluids between zelensky and biden, and this is very important in the interaction of two states when their leaders have certain personal personal now, let's put the relationship this way

. i am convinced that there are probably such expectations , well, i personally did not have too high expectations there. a breakthrough because everyone said and the constitutional sources of information and in general everyone said that well, the issue has not yet been resolved, the force is the same , albeit a small number, this is already good regarding the speech in the congress, well, first of all, zelenskyi spoke there in december, he was very warmly received, now he has changed party -political representatives there are 30-40 republicans, the republicans are trump supporters, they are holding hostage kevin mccarthy, the leader of the majority and the leader of the speaker of the congress, he was given a condition if you give a word to zelensky, well, in fact, they put him as a prospect of dismissal from this

position, which he could not go to, well, i explain, he did not give any . which controls there is a control package there, the congress regarding pain and the voting itself , which is categorically against ukraine and aid to ukraine. so it was all clearly predicted. we can't right now, we have to recently, i was at a round table where we talked about it, including with representatives of the current government, and we talked about the fact that we need to prepare for such and such a prospect if trump comes to power and replaces biden . that is

we need to calculate what we will do in these conditions , i am not talking about interfering in some er election of the president because we have already climbed off our er like an elephant dish bench, so we are very careful, but to list all options, well, at the level of experts. this is not for anyone it is forbidden, mr. igor, and then the next question, if you already start talking about the process in public, i would ask . and ukrainian diplomacy is ready, are there such people who can hold the position of ambassadors of the united states for trump and will be cautious on the one hand, and on the other hand active, as you know. i also respect our professional diplomatic corps of our diplomats, among them there are many and the majority of diplomats, including

the minister of foreign affairs and the current ambassador , my former colleague, now pasok oksana marka and markarov, that's why they play there, and there was ambassador valery chaly super-professional, and he thinks that's why, eh, i think that it's unlikely that we will find such a political figure, and it's probably not necessary in order that if trump comes there, he will become the president, so we will change the ambassador no, i think there should be a professional diplomat, or oksana will remain in this position or appoint another person who will simply carry out his functions of protecting national interests and promoting them, protecting national interests and promoting them there on the territory of the united states because there is a large population there, many citizens of the united states who support ukraine, and their majority now remains, and there are many politicians, political figures, and they too. i believe

that the majority of those who support ukraine should be worried, in your opinion, about trump in the sense that well, that a completely sober view, it is still necessary to list all the worst options. can we think that there will really be some serious turn in the politics of the united states if trump wins? let's be honest. well, here in the expert environment discussion i am a supporter of some experts believe that trump will not be allowed to radically expand the country will have more or less the same policy as biden's with some nuances, well, i am a supporter of a different point of view because well , for example, when trump first became president, he set a goal withdraw from the paris climate agreement he did it the second time he set sorry set

the goal to exit the agreement with iran on nuclear weapons he did it that is, he had absolute radical steps although the paris climate agreement it was so baby the american one that was created, which he and the population ironed and so on during the period of the democrats when the previous presidents were in power, that is, these are absolutely radical steps, so somehow i read the book for understanding, and it is absolutely logical . by the way, i justify my steps, well, how does he think, why we have to pay such a high price to saudi arabia for oil there when we help there and protect them from armed conflicts with other states with wounds, well, it was before and so

on and so on, that is, trump has absolute it is different and not political thinking, he has purely business thinking which is based on money, it brings, i have to go further , i just have some hints to follow who after whom now ihor zhdanov was the project manager , information defense fund, open policy, minister of ukraine from 14 to 19 years old now there will be advertising and then you and i will go to the south caucasus, where such difficult situations are currently unfolding between armenia and azerbaijan, and now there are still advertising discounts on essentiale forte capsules - 15%

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the time for us and i congratulate you, mykola kostyantynovich, that is, in i have a question for you i tried to delve into history because many people talk about this war, then they mention the 20th year, then they mention 92-93 , then they mention the 18th year, and i went further and further and i realized that and c- from this my question is whether appeasement is possible at all because it is obvious that now azerbaijan has restored its sovereignty, but the armenians will not say no, but okay, they are still angry, just as the azerbaijanis were angry after 1993, and they will start to come up with something, we don't know, but maybe they will also become such a strong state in in the military sense, which of

azerbaijan and beyond, because on this land, to put it mildly, friction has been going on for centuries, if not millennia. at least i counted somewhere around 1,500 years, the first such sprouts of problems began, let's say. and so on and so on and so on i don't really understand elegant tell me please yes and once again i congratulate you eh , first of all, there is an environment of the entire nagorno-karabakh of one of the districts, there is a corridor, i was the head of the headquarters there. what is it that you are saying, the people fought for one and a half thousand years, in fact, this is the russian school of the russian school, you have this kind of management, uh, these kinds of illusions before the arrival of catherine ii in the caucasus at the end or in the second half of the 18th

century, when the british and the french flew away or went to divide north america after the act jefferson and europe , including the caucasus, remained. as they say for russia and ukraine , what destroyed our cossack movement is that our cossacks are ukrainian, that is, it originates from the middle or from the second half of the 6th-7th decade of the 18th century. in fact, with the arrival of the muscovite empire in the caucasus, before that, people lived, sang together and will live to coexist , i think that armenians, in particular, citizens of armenia , their wise prime minister found a way out of the situation, you understand that you cannot take over someone else's eh, that is, this we know very well what russia did for david in 10 years for

donbass. they also couldn't do anything for the people. now karabashi will be a free economic zone, a region of an economic free economy. i think that it is viable . law-abiding. how will you fulfill the construction of the azerbaijani republic of armenians will remain and will live very successfully and become rich, everything else for this there are all the prerequisites azerbaijan is a lot of country uh, very much, well, uh, the biggest problem of the south caucasus and the caucasus in general and humanity i think that in general, humanity is is the exit of russia from that region while russia is there, of course, you know very well, you are a very experienced journalist for decades, and you and i have been researching , we talked about it even one-on-one

marchuk, the one who comes in 1992 , terpetrosyan, democracy, petrosyan in armenia azerbaijan, chubai people's front, that is, they just want to negotiate, they are overthrowing our government in chibyiv, an experienced heyderali is passing, he is only negotiating with terpetrastyan in the 96th year, karabakh , kalamsky, before him, and well, with the task of moscow , until moscow leaves there, it is not necessary. we will not have to talk about what will happen there absolutely quietly and calmly, of course, look at another important issue, but you understand what is often discussed. this is where i agree with you 100%, but one more point - if

you did not have the surname aliyev in 1968 in azerbaijan in 1968, something changes in armenia, it is obvious that pashanyan is the chosen one of the people, because he came on the wave of democracy and when there is an obviously authoritarian regime here, and here there are obviously the sprouts of democracy, it is clear how to reconcile this , authoritarianism and democracy could never be experienced on one side of the land i think that the flint is counting on this in this case, that is, you see, they can't drop the kitten of 60% of the citizens of armenia , that is, even after losing in the 20th year, he held early early elections and re-collected these percentages of hers well, i think that she will have to sign on hmm the offer - the proposed er-e

alliance treaty by washington and brussels because international law is on the side of azerbaijan well, it is clear that we will not throw away the faith of our fellow citizens, god forbid it gets washed away somewhere we lived together. we have a lot in common. anyone who wants to be an obedient citizen can live the same way . by the way, after the deoccupation, i think that in ukraine , how will we create a party of ukraine in those temporarily temporarily occupied territories? namely, there will be a picture, we will have a law on collaborators, that is, he shot at peaceful citizens, he can be a citizen and we have all the possibilities, the conditions are, oh, and at the expense of democracy. of course, there are problems here, there are problems with human rights, and moscow is counting on this that is, she does not want democracy to exist in both countries at the same time. of course, all the problems, uh

, if they were to go through democracy. such a democratic as that until she left, maksymovich said that a democrat knows a democrat and passed , but in this case , yes, you are right, there is such a problem. well, over time, you understand, karabakh, well, i wouldn't say it's a problem, it's almost not a problem anymore . karabakh, you know the azerbaijani position . she is wringing her hands, she can’t, and the position can’t even take any steps because well, there are more than millions of refugees who were forced to shoot each other. well, we know this picture is also in ukraine, because of this , we can speak to the current government in ukrainian.

leave until there is a shift, a serious escalation in the war, the ukrainian position of the week will be on the streets, there will not be any claim to express, so this issue is important , see how the resolution of the karabakh conflict will affect the personality of the president of azerbaijan, that is , before we know there were constant speculations, we need karabakh first, that's why there is a little less democracy a little more oppression by the political opposition let them keep quiet because the most important thing for us right now is to take back to us the territories that belong to us now they took what i and what can be speculated, how can you speculate now that everything seems to have been resolved, firstly, karabakh with the captain, what has not been resolved, uh, i don't think that in the near future it will be final because the so-called russian peacekeeping contingent is still there and we know

that contingent what is he capable of, i.e. south ossetia, they captured abkhazia, they, i.e., georgian wiser larnadze , i don’t know in quotes are you cereal eh called russian peacekeepers from today georgia has eh problem of abkhazia in south ossetia finally until the last soldier leaves karabakh there there will be no peace those people and those separatists or terrorists were armed by russia , you are unequivocally like that today it is just russia that is suitable to teach a lesson, in particular koshinyan, she does not help armenia, you know that the problem is also in this and azerbaijan found itself in a favorable situation , that is, international law azerbaijan is brought to do because, in fact, terror you know the last reason, i.e., they blew up the police officers of these civilian citizens of azerbaijan, that is , it has a powerful army, it took, that is

, it armed itself once, well, this is not the end, i think that as long as the russian soldiers are in karabash , the war will continue . that is, she told the rest of the chronology, the 90s, then she helped, there was no army, no financial, possible economic opportunities. with the experienced maliyevs , who had connections, uh, you don't know, the colonel-general of the kgb is there, the deputy of the cabinet of ministers of the ussr, that is , aliyev begins to negotiate with him, wait , trostyanets, and this picture has lasted for 30 years . now it is going, that is, everything is resolved in

in ukraine, in this case, it is solved in ukraine, so the family is no longer only there by itself. as they say, he woke up and decided that he must go to europe, that is, they understand that they do not see prospects in russia. azerbaijani authorities more integrated with russia in this case, it is financially integrated and has many economic ties integrated with us is a huge diaspora in russia, which, well, in this case, we have common borders with russia, there is a question of physical caucasianization , the question is, look, everyone is afraid of genocide, everyone is talking about it very actively, with the exception of by the way what is interesting about ukrainian experts who say the opposite, aliyev wants to make a showcase of such an ideal, he is already doing

it. so, what do you say, how do you comment on it? there is no, it cannot be, er , anti-terrorist units of azerbaijan conduct such er, it was prepared according to maps at specific points where are the bases, everything else, not a single civilian has been harmed and will not be harmed, they are our fellow romanians, it’s clear what you know. well, i ’m being transferred to ukraine again after the occupation , what will we do with the people, what lives will we say in the same donetsk, now someone's parents are sick and they can't leave, someone there, i don't know, because they turned to a taxi driver or to me. by the way , people said that my father drove some kind of bandit there, and he is now afraid to contact the sbu of ukraine because he was his taxi driver, as it were some long chesnoy and there are such citizens there, too, there are people nearby who do not really want to live and understand that

these brothers do not have any prospects , separatism is good, terror is good, don’t prove it, even more so , azerbaijan is also a country and it proves it and proves okay, thank you very much to hanna , a member of the union of ukrainian officers, the head of the defense staff of the nagornoy ship's unit, 92-93 years. yes, i have to say something here. russia's biggest problem there is to remove russia, it will heal, but if you carefully and long read the history of the south caucasus, then everything was not perfect there and before russia.

the south caucasus so that they can help themselves and somehow improve the situation to some ideal er hundred ideal state of affairs and the state of affairs in the world and in ukraine first of all from anna and eva melnyk letter in two seconds in two seconds good evening , thank you for let's continue your work, let's give a sketch of the situation in kherson and donetsk regions , be it the russians continue to shell kherson today, an enemy shell killed a 65-year-old woman in the yard of her own house , a 27-year-old guy was injured, he is being given medical help this was reported by the head of the regional military administration, oleksandr prokudin , and the raiders hit a high-rise building in avdiivka, a fire broke out there today

, the occupiers shelled the city twice with artillery and hail, the regional