[000:00:00;00] it will be said publicly. i think they will, of course, but the mechanism will be different and it will take longer. of course, it could be done a little in a different style. well, therefore, in principle, a working visit under normal conditions can be evaluated as an absolutely saturated positive visit under these conditions. what we have before our expectations were more, of course, well, our expectations of people in ukraine, but that’s how it is, by the way, when they go together, the main words were actually said. and what can you say about contacts with republicans, this is how he expressed himself he is mccartney, the speaker of the house of representatives, who will say that zelensky is not our president and is not a congressman, that we should not speak before the congressmen about the fact that not only was there no speech, but there was a rather harsh conversation with the congressmen about the fact that the issue of military aid, the unblocking of the military budget and the presidential visit

did not change anything, it must be said well, so far, yes, so far, that is what we think. i think that you had some conversations with positively contribute, but there were no conversations with the opponents, there were no conversations with the democrats, er, there were just with the democrats although it was not necessary to burn the representatives, take me off the topic, but the main thing is that the opponents are precisely among this group, which influences the majority of their leader, when they voted for him, in principle, they hung him in this state, so he no longer makes these decisions himself, but his statements well, they are quite sharp, actually. and why did it happen? well, because i consider it a diplomatic underdevelopment, it was not possible to make a proposal for the second speech in nine months before the two chambers of the congress , uh, expecting a negative answer. but at least agree that it would not become public

this is not a lack of work, in fact, it is difficult, this is a difficult matter to do in such a way as to squeeze out the opportunity as much as possible and, in the event of failure to achieve the goal, to avoid public publicity and so we got a somewhat yes smeared effect from the congress well, not everyone wanted to take a picture of it even yes, this is such a signal in that that the emotions and admiration of ukraine is already yesterday's situation, today in fact we have to work with everyone. and by the way, we also have to work with our opponents. meanwhile, instead of working with those who are very close to us, we are by our side and who will support us, we quarreled with the poles above and in america, at least that's how we exchanged such barbs, and for a whole week, ukrainians are discussing and ukrainians and poles are discussing what happened between president zelensky and president duda, between whom , apparently, due to issues of gradinia, there has been no meeting now

by the way, volodymyr zelenskyy somewhere in lublin also awarded polish volunteers and journalist bianka zelenska a-a hmm i understand that i am talking to the president. yes, he did not meet in poland. to put it briefly and frankly, using the tool of a speech at the un general assembly from this podium touching on bilateral conflict issues is not the best solution, as you say. and if you are serious, the one who proposed such a solution , if you insert it. this is exactly what the president's speech did, because he blurred the key messages that are really a priority today for ukraine, from this speech, everyone will discuss this passage to ukrainians to our european friends who can play along with moscow or create such conditions, well, this is harsh, this is unacceptable to

such countries, which really, well, in this situation, like defend their interests, but it is necessary to understand that the priorities should be correctly lined up. this is a mistake. this is a mistake. if it is deliberately done on the basis of aggravation as a style of action , then such resources of ukraine. we need a meeting of the presidents of ukraine in poland as a matter of urgency, they showed that they really found such chemistry between themselves. their hugs were sincere. i think that this resource should be used as much as possible because this is not an episode, our relations with poland, you know very well, they have always been such

a combination of rivalry , conflict, strategic partnership, everything. it worked, by the way, i use the importance of what you have vitaliy portnikov, yes , vitaliy, i think that this structure , ukrainian, polish, still exists, public. yes , it does not exist, it does not exist, it is destroyed in fact at the request of the polish side. don't forget that the polish side has since the right-wing populists came to power in poland. i would say that it has consistently destroyed any platforms for dialogue. what were the polish-ukrainian relations, these are the same people, so none of this works . to be honest, i think that mr. valery that if the meeting between the presidents of ukraine and poland takes place before the parliamentary elections in poland, it will be a huge success because we we see that the polish side is deliberately going for an escalation, but the president is saying some pretentious words, and prime minister marovecki is making provocative statements , and here we see these interrogators of yaroslav kaczyński, who is simply the prime minister, as you know,

puppets of these presidents hands, one will talk about peace, his words will provoke another , kaczynski himself will speak wise words, and in principle, all this has nothing to do with ukraine, they are just fighting for their own power, i see it well, why should they warm up why fall into this trap in our own trap? we have already lost because we played along with this sin, and maybe they are also satisfied that we played along . the benefit of a further step and here the interests of president duda are somewhat different. i understand that he adjusts to the party line, but the meeting i think is quite realistic to find an opportunity, uh, quite realistic in my opinion, even before the elections. well, on the return of president zelensky. well, if he i see a plane in ireland landed there. yes, i don't know what the route of the president's plane is, this is closed

information. well, i don't think that it is direct to ukraine. if so, then it would be possible to use sudan if we met in ireland. well, i understand that after ireland, he flew to poland and already in poland they already started. yes, he gave awards in lublin. a meeting will take place there. i hope that it will happen. he met with duda, but not with angie duda, but with damian duda. these are volunteers and a doctor who gathered a team of doctors for rescue of our wounded fighters on the front lines and created a fund to help doctors and volodymyr zelenskyy awarded it to valery, you said that you saw the shadow of kachynsky, who is a pipe and vitaliy port . and this is him . prices, and kaczyński, he is a blood of this

blood, well, he is visible behind him, behind their backs, who advised president zelensky to say such words in the united states of america, do they call some people who , er, play into the hands of russia, without naming these people, but alluding to someone well, i don't think that this is a special writer in which we all know , who, by the way, is currently present at the meeting, as i see it in washington, i think, after all , take your time now, but the president's speeches are determined by all the deputy heads of the office who are responsible for this were present and were authorized in the committee of presidents of ukraine poland from ukraine and he sat next to the president during the speech of president biden

i had colleagues with whom we worked together, and i was in this position. he then, in principle , also performed a function in this area, so he would suggest that it is necessary, it is wrong here now. let 's think and we will not voice this paragraph and it is technically possible to feel it, you know. there is no such quick reaction to feel the situation under edit and if this is a planned position , e.e. offensive ukraine against poland, then if it is substantiated by the ministry of foreign affairs and the office of the president, then it is wrong because our priorities are higher now safe even for the priorities of economic security, yes. if we have the right to say absolutely clearly that this is a planned position. if you are interested, well, then horror, then horror . i'm fine, then if you are right, then believe me, you could see it by the way from

the presence of ukrainians. representatives at various conferences, a forum in poland, at an economic forum in karpacz, where there was only one, it will not be like that, one deputy from i about the fact that the un tribune is used for such a purpose , that is, the priority of an offensive position in the direction of poland, there israel we first we are advancing and then somehow we are looking for a solution, like the president of ukraine met with the prime minister, no, thank you, right now , we don't know what the results will be, but they inspire positive thoughts, that is, but here it can also boil down, so that later i will meet on other issues, and i agree with you that sometimes it works, but ukraine's problem is that what worked a year ago will not work today . and this is the question of whether conclusions were drawn after the vilka nato summit . all this was already demonstrated there. there was an attack on

the united states. the president of the usa and us. forgive us later . this is a wet broom to everyone from washington in the face and no conclusions have been drawn. therefore, these tools must always be used in specific conditions, that is, to specific countries. well, poland is definitely not the country with which we it is necessary to raise the conflict now, even if it is profitable for poland. well, politically, it seems that we cannot fall into this trap. we hope that we will not fall into it. of course, we must somehow communicate, because even now i am looking at the comments of our viewers, uh, and already here, the radio and emotion all in one pile eh. the polish authorities are mixing with the poles and already forgetting about some help there eh and all of it is being introduced , it must be said that we can really notice that

many people in poland itself are criticizing their own leadership for this position and this now a really important topic of the election campaign of the polish leaders planted by the leader of the opposition, donald tusk, all the leading media are writing about the fact that poland made a mistake, that the party of law and justice is making ukraine hostage in its struggle for power, that is, poland said no, not right, the populist part of society looks at it in a completely different way than the ukrainians who say that there is no need to quarrel with poland , that is, the attitude of the polish democrats to the situation distinguishes the retired ukrainians from the serious ones who sooner end up defending a foreign country than their own traditionally. by the way, we remember that this has always been the case with russia no, we have been doing this since last year. you know how many times we have supported president zelenskyi's position , which is so offensive. i'm just talking about others, but you always have to think. what kind of resource do you have? they said one moment, i will say more, even in the usa they gave certain signals to poland that it is not possible

to do this and aggravate the situation, to announce the cessation of military supplies there , they have already done so . slovakia, then in israel, we will do the same. then we will slip somewhere, somewhere, somewhere, no , what is the point, is all the strength and resources of the country right here ? i don't know about ukraine. to act in solidarity and protect if ukraine's interests were to attack the poles . i'm not talking about that. i'm talking about the fact that we can't. insti uses it for its own internal purposes , just like in america, just like we are now. well, certain moments are there too. gave here what is the matter, that is, we must find diplomatic steps to jump out of such steps and not rush

into it at the level of the president, that is, there are other means , he kaczyński, the peacemaker, he is a respectable person, a wise person, and why does our president get into this quarrel right away to jump i.e. there are people here who should work it out. for some reason, it is very strange that the president's tool of influence is used very often in conflict situations, and that is why the image of the president and the country often loses because you are more right-wing, there are other views, but ukraine does not appear in this as a country that unites and how does ukraine , which exists, separate the positions of political parties in america , unites the republican democrats, and ukraine should be a unifying factor in poland. and the situation somehow tells me that the elections will end and everything will be settled no no it will be much deeper and will go further and then we

still have other countries, the issue has already gone much further , the poles are telling the germans there and the germans are telling the poles that they will lose the coalition of support the day before , the president already announced the introduction to nato, our goal is the washington summit . for ukraine, as much as nato membership is a security umbrella in the conditions when we see what are the circumstances and what will happen next year, what awaits us is not easy, to put it mildly, the situation there somewhere by the summer, we can see it also as a result of the visit to the usa, so here it would be e- is aid with weapons, aid in the war with russia and a security umbrella after the de-occupation of the territory

, but on the other hand , this also requires mutual constructiveness. an agreement with poland could also be reached, an agreement to hold bilateral negotiations, but everything started to slip from place only at the moment when such sharp rhetoric began. we in poland impose a unilateral embargo, and consultations were held to invite the ukrainian side to a consultation regarding the situation that happened after russia's withdrawal from the black sea grain initiative, and i saw this would be a civilized step, i will not now talk about the ukrainian leadership about its position simply because ukraine , unlike poland, is at war . this also says a lot about the country and its

political elite about the state of society, but uh , i now agree, but i did not have these relations with poland as an ally, we do not have allied relations with any state in the world, we have strategic partnership relations will be allies. if we become members of the defense union, let's say nato. those countries that help them financially for the defense of slavutian arabia must adapt to the economic interests of the united states , and it went so well in america that everyone applauded everything was great to a certain extent moment because to demand an exchange, let's talk about how we have it. we really protect poland and poland understands this from the russian invasion, but the model we protect you, you

pay us for it in any situation, does not work . therefore, i will say the first we understand the main thing. and who in general twisted this whole story, why did it become a conflict, there are already certain beneficiaries of these supplies of grain, it didn't start with moravia, so i'm not against it, i will defend the interests of my country and my government and my president. whoever he is was not in this time, but i will also say that there is a diplomatic toolkit that was created in order not to follow the ideas or strategies of other countries. i believe 100% that we could prevent the emergence of such a level of conflict 100%. and at least for for imagine the president of lithuania offers us mediation mediation is offered in such conflict situations that people can no longer talk to each other, it's not like that , well, let's say it frankly. to your comments and

nataliya i see that she is probably more more threatening than i even expect, that's why the institutional mechanisms are not working, they are not working, an appeal is needed, i asked you about this public mechanisms of scientists, public initiatives of some kind in ukraine and poland. i know that there are some things being prepared for the security forum in warsaw on the third of october, but now is the time . the clock is just ticking. therefore, it is very necessary now. you said it was news to me. that there could be a meeting. well, if there is a bilateral meeting, it will be a very good step, and further. it is, well, even you will think that in poland there will be political discussions about this, let them be, but in these conditions, transfer it to an institutional basis and at the same time submit it to the court through legal mechanisms there to compensate us for the execution of the eu to talk, but this is only a test a imagine what will happen when

we negotiate on the agrarian issue? that is why these are lessons that are better not to learn during the war. this lesson is better to avoid. thank you, mr. valery valery chaly diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states and now we have ihor semyonov, director of the center for middle eastern studies, congratulations igor, congratulations, congratulations, well, we can't say for sure that everything is over in karabakh, maybe everything is just beginning, a phase, some phase has ended , yes, that is, the conflict is an armed conflict, obviously , the conflict is over, of course, the conflict remains. that is , we know the theories of the conflict that it is being violated and transformed for the people of azerbaijan , armenia, nagorno-karabakh, who is it , nagorno-karabakh, or what is it

that they end up fighting? another conflict has occurred, now he will read an electro until two from 1:00, i, then, then i address the lecture, er, the conversation between mr. vitaliy and mr. pinam . he just talked a lot about it yesterday. and everyone was offended. i look, i looked at the comments. well, look, in principle, i think that , after all, this is the result of those agreements that were reached , uh, at the drinking meeting of ertuğal putin, we saw that the escalation had already started recently a few weeks before the start of this one

phase of the conflict, and it was clear that something was starting, the only thing i did not foresee was that the russian so-called peacekeepers would simply withdraw and leave, it was hard to imagine, but it happened, that is, in general, it can be said that such an agreement was a reason - it's a simple thing and you can always find it, and then it was already a matter of technology. that is, i think that it was agreed , and you don't think that maybe there were no peacekeepers in karabakh, that is, real opportunities so that they could really in the current to oppose the conditions of the azerbaijani army. well, i don't have a political one, it is by military means. i understand that politically everything is solved by military means , they did not have a mandate. as far as i understand , they did not have a clear mandate, but moscow could call at any time and force everything to stop if a dangerous situation arose for russian peacekeepers although it had already

arisen, moscow did not do anything then , that is, in other words, moscow simply ignored the whole situation, and the number of troops there was as agreed it was like that, that is, nothing has changed from the point of view of those agreements that existed since the 20th year, and moscow is still being listened to, and well , let's not be too optimistic here to think that moscow has completely left the southern caucasus and that the situation there is very bad for her i think they are trying to play and they would still be present they are perfectly present in armenia i think in this situation you will not try to play with azerbaijan well at least i think that this story is not over there even with russian peacekeepers in any case they have mandate to be to

in the 25th year, that is, their presence will be there and it is unlikely that azerbaijan will now insist on the withdrawal of these troops. well, it is a little early to talk about the fact that no one listens to moscow there, they listen simply because of not very carefully, let's tell them in their ears, others are already starting to talk and there is such a resonance, but in principle they are present, yes . and tell me what you think, azerbaijan absolutely clearly calculates that in the event of any escalation from moscow, if there is one at all, turkey will intervene for him, but armenia is exactly what they hoped for russia the truth here the question arises as to how much these external players are ready to fight and fight realistically when it comes to the security of their allies in the caucasus well, i think i absolutely agree with you, vitalii, that if a critical situation arose between russia and azerbaijan, turkey would not intervene

. that is this is understandable, because turkey always has a fixed idea that you can't fight with russia , you have to negotiate, you have to agree on interests, and so on. and in general, this whole story of the azerbaijan-turkey union was only directed against armenia, that is, armenia is here was a legitimate enemy and they perceived it as a part of their actual mission , and even the issue with iran, in principle, i think that it cannot be solved so easily and i fear , i still do not think that turkey, for example , will agree to fight in the morning, well there is experience, well, first of all, turkey is hardly likely to start a new conflict in turkey when it has not yet left the syrian conflict in a hot conflict, this is absolutely very dangerous, and secondly, after all, turkey

is connected by certain obligations in nato, and thirdly, after all, iran is not armenia here is the same question, i.e. to deter but they can’t but to fight hardly well, well, to what extent do you think that, well, karabakh is understood, it is a part from the point of view of international law, it is part of the territory of azerbaijan, by the way , almost no one has ever argued even there with an armenian official, well it must have never been recognized as an independent state in armenia , everyone understood that something had to be decided, but the very sovereign territory of armenia, you allow a war between azerbaijan and armenians , let's say for this corridor, they feel who goes there, i have versions a-a, but with e-e, what he said, he writes yes, so what koshenian said, when this stage of the conflict began, he said we will not go to war, otherwise we will lose our sovereignty. he said it for a reason

, and it means in belarusian azerbaijani troops were concentrated in sight, and i think that if the war had entered on the side of karabakh, then armenia would have received a gift, but this did not happen. actually, i think that it is hardly possible to turn the situation back, that is, there will be no war. there will be no visit this week to to iran, what can it mean for us

, by the way, during this war? and its radom yes well, they showed him the weapons and told what kind of powerful they are. at the same time, the question rests on the missiles , yes, that is, whether the rockets will be supplied early or not. as far as we know, all attempts to purchase missiles have not been made. unsuccessful, that is, in the words of the israeli special services well, this equipment was unsuccessful, and someone caused it, yes, that is, at least obstructed, so hmm, there will still be a conversation around this, that is, the russians need this weapon, and i think that the iranians would also be ready to sell it for it, but the iranians need it in any case if not the lifting of sanctions, then all the same the easing of the sanctions policy, and therefore in this sense they will not be in a hurry

. meanwhile, asat came to china for the first time since 2004 , what does this mean, it means that china continues to dream of its project of one train, one road and series in this project can look quite attractive if there, of course, when the civil war ends, the country will unite and eventually it will be possible to carry out some kind of activity, but the chinese are trying to create positions there in advance. we forgot about this topic of the death of russian peacekeepers under the time of the karabakh operation, this is a very important topic, russia has always reacted very nervously to such things, now even an official statement has not been made, yes, and that is why i think that it is precisely in the context of the agreements that happened, that is, the russians really need it, they really need it, and they don’t want to quarrel, and they will swallow the cases and simply pretend that nothing happened

, that is, it looks like that. by the way, i wanted to ask what the meetings that were held in the presidency of zelenskyi were about, hmm, that’s what happened in the honorable today, a meeting with the head of the sudanese albergue , and she spoke absolutely frankly that they were talking about wagner, it was said officially with the commander of the armed forces. this is essentially the military leadership of sudan, so this is me, what am i talking about? in principle , this is what happened after the cnn television company reported that there was a ukrainian special operation to eliminate the wagnerites in sudan. ukraine can really carry out such special operations abroad countries and fight russia in africa no, well, if we are talking about military