[000:00:00;00] indeed, the ukrainian-polish conflict is very unpleasant, and secondly, we have a bad reputation in poland. not after morovytsky's statement, but after morovitsky's statement that poland stops supplying ukraine with weapons, and again, i don't see any criminality in this statement , the prime minister said absolutely logical things we handed over our old weapons to the ukrainians and now we have received and are purchasing new weapons in order to arm our army because we gave away our weapons and this weapon, which was accompanied by a voice, we are arming our army, we are not going to give it to anyone, that is, he voiced it is for the internal audience, but he did not think about the fact that it sounds the way it is, how it will be perceived. that means all the publications of the world . everyone if they saw this situation and it means what it looks like in essence. because it exhausts everything

by and large, it is a transit country for weapons, and how is it perceived? yes, it means that they were offended by the history of grain. were they offended by zelenskyi’s speech and refused weapons to the ukrainians, let them perish in the war with the russians they punished them like that, it's not true, again , it's not true, the prime minister of poland didn't say this in a terrible dream, i didn't even think about it, but it looks like this, if you ask an average reader of the western media right now , he will tell you that. it's not just read the department of federal chancellor ugu, which heard from prime minister borovetskyi from president duda in the first months of the war . why don't you supply them with weapons? why do n't you supply them with the latest weapons? why don't you supply them with all this? they are very surprised. they wanted it themselves, they told us that we needed to supply the newest weapons. and now they themselves do not supply the newest weapons and still say that everything is

being done correctly . well, we will fulfill our obligations. poland is somehow irresponsible, germany is responsible, as i saw on some german channel, at least our federal chancellor always fulfills our duty, so he does not have time, he thinks for a long time , but he fulfills his obligations. so they are our dear dear partners from warsaw. we thought they were true friends of ukrainians, but they turned out to be fake , well, new. it doesn't look good. you understand, it doesn't look good for poland. it doesn't look good. for us, it really breaks up the unity in the european union now washington also needs to understand a simple thing president duda about this the head of the right justice party kaczyński prime minister

of poland marowecki they are great sympathizers donald date it is not a big secret that is why poland was the main ally in the united states during the time of donald trump, they perceived his political philosophy as the way it should be implemented in poland. well, you have to understand that when joseph biden became the president of the united states, well , it wasn’t like that anymore. rainbow for not only for them and for the state, as it was during the time of trump, then the war began, and here poland shows itself as a model of responsibility . the president of poland, who was in kyiv on the eve of the war , was the first polish politicians to come here.

tsihotsky, who was the only one who saved the countries of the european union , stayed in kyiv during the most difficult time for the ukrainian capital, great respect for vartosh for such actions. this is not just diplomatic courage. with the russian uprisings and when the majority of the polish nobility ended their days in siberia , well, it's great, what can be said here can only be respected, but suddenly it turns out that washington has now considered them to be such solid, responsible, serious allies and suddenly they behave like children now poland will also not be very good when in the united states i ask poland out loud that there are weapons there what does this mean and president duda should explain what the prime minister of moravia said the next moment this is not all not the whole story if

we are talking about all the statements. well, we can say that the president of ukraine cannot , and the united nations, say that the suspension of the supply of grain to ukraine is being brought to the stage by the moscow actor, although objectively speaking , the suspension of the supply of grain to ukraine is being exported to the stage of the moscow actor because the only country that can save grain prices and save the global south is the cold, then the russian federation remains, well, such a trick, so the mocus-pocus is not poland, unpleasant of course, but this is a fact, but let's assume that this is the tribune of the general the un assembly was not supposed to speak, we agreed, and comparing ukraine to a sinkhole that drags everyone to the bottom, this is a correct statement by the president of poland, this is what happened and everyone says , in fact, you don't know the polish language, we

know the polish language, it's not very difficult the language of the tone is the drowning man one and the same, it is also a polish ideologue she is known to everyone she is known to everyone who knows uh this ukrainian language because the tone is grasping for a razor grasping for a straw nothing just polished it is more i would say cruel it still looks more secret hiding you will still drown even for a razor, it is meant but you will still drown, so the first question arises is whether poland is really that razor, well , i wanted to hope that it is not even a nightingale, but something else. i do not understand what the president of the country thinks, which all time said that ukraine will win, recover, become a member of the european union, nato suddenly says that we are drowning, well, if we, if he really thinks so, well, maybe we should be honest , you know, we understand that ukraine will not win this war, we are helping it in order to

weaken russia, but we are preparing for that that russia integrates the territory of ukraine into its composition will be at our borders and we have to prepare for this and we do not want our agriculture to become a victim of this because ukraine has no chance anyway well, the president will not only not say so i think that he does not think so because he is a tv personality or a serious politician with great potential, why did he say that to him, did someone write it or did he himself finally? well, this is also an important moment if we are discussing some speeches of the president of ukraine, then it was necessary to talk about the world of sweden of the president of poland and to remind that, unlike the president of ukraine, it is possible to say this, the president of poland can do without , he confirmed that he himself can generate all this, so i am curious

. is it he himself? or suggested and the one who suggested what he thinks, well, of course we are in the whirlwind of the polish election campaign, of course. after this election campaign , the situation is much better. moreover, if the right -wing justice party wins the elections so as to enter into one block with the confederation of independent poland, then we can have the e-e bloc of poland , hungary and slovakia, if minister robert fitzú wins there the other day, and it will not be about the ukrainian bloc, unfortunately , what should we do about it? my polish friends are very they are offended when i tell them what we will have to do. we will have to look for allies further west in poland, now there is every chance to become the undisputed leader of this region. 25-30 years after

the war, which is not known when it will end, but poland can be an economic locomotive , poland can be the main geopolitical player in central europe, poland can coordinate and balance the interests of ukraine slovakia and hungary, to a lesser extent, the czech republic, poland can actually with this history, if ukraine fights back and becomes a member of nato, the european union through ukraine, have even more special relations with romania, bulgaria, all this for the poles in poland, excellent prospects are much better than ours as a result of this war from the polish perspective, they exceed our perspective by many times, but if they want, the leader of the region will unfortunately be germany, she will balance all this. she will, through ukraine

, have special relations with the countries of the balkans romania, bulgaria, it will find a common language between ukraine and hungary, a mediator between ukraine and poland, germany will not immediately want us, their polish friends , to calm down a mediator between ukraine and poland, there will be a french republic, if he is so nicer to hear, it is normal, the french republic, of course, the president of france will find a common the language between the ukrainian and the polish president, but it can be even more . i would say dramatically that the mediator with ukraine in poland will be the president of lithuania, he is already ready, so in general, if i would buy would be in place, because dudy. i generally thought about what i lived to do after everything , after the union of lublin, after the unification of the crown and the grand duchy of lithuania, after 100 years

of conviction that this is one state and one voice, i lived to the day when the president of lithuania meets with me president of ukraine to find a common language between us, although in reality it would be a pit, it would be a pit to meet and all the more to find a common language because i am closer to each of them than they are to each other what did i do wrong what about my foreign policy, did the elections bring me to such a state that the president of lithuania comes to me and says, because you need to find some common language with volodymyr, i say to him, oh, like children from well, really, if i were the president of poland, i would sob on the graves of the polish kings in aval, i would come to kraków and there would be no work there for a week, the script said, i would be very sorry that we have brought it to this point, and again, we are talking about

a president who has every chance of entering the history of europe as the main allies of the friend countries, you understand, well, i don’t understand how you can sacrifice your historical role for the sake of momentary pre-election ambitions , for the historical role is somewhere there later, and the election, especially , is already ending its term of office , the right election is close. about the party uh and about and interests i am not about myself you are not true about myself about the state he could think about the state after the elections the state will also exist so this is such a very important moment because if prime minister marovetsky does not have now is the time to think about the state, he needs to win the elections, then there should have been a president. by the way, the president is doing what he can

because he is trying to somehow explain the statement of the prime minister. but i think that they should meet, of course, the united states if there were statements from both sides , they should have talked. i am very happy with everything because i will tell you, i am very glad that the minister of agriculture talked to each other and will now start consultations. i really hope that recovery will begin now of all these things, i want to remind you that when at the same time they start saying oh, you know, we are reducing the amount of money and the amount of aid to ukrainian refugees who are in poland. refugees because it appears again and again well, how can you say some kind

of understanding that this is a contract, that it can be for years, that people will live like this for years, and that people need to be encouraged to integrate integration is a reduced social e.e. social assistance job, they taught the language more carefully, they thought about how to integrate them or if they didn't want it, they returned to ukraine well, i don't see any criminal component in this. i generally think that this is the right traumatic approach because because because because again, if we say that the war will last for two years , but with fractions, we can pay millions of people money for our non-temporary bases. and if it will last for 10 years, well, we don’t know how long it will last just on the brink of a long war, what kind of budget can withstand such a load for 10 years of refugees, to which refugees can be added that we will not run away if there is any problem, they introduced the energy system, people can also leave their cities, cities can be unsuitable for life, people

will leave for internal ones, there will be external migrants, that's all it can continue. we don't know, it can be a form that we may have a difficult winter, god grant that we pass. so, those people who are already there need to look for opportunities for their social rehabilitation, so to speak, but i don't understand when it sounds against the background of this conflict, it doesn't look good. you also have to think when there are such things to say. here we have polish society doesn't support ukraine anymore, that's why we will reduce money and not support ukraine because you behave wrongly and then we will reduce money to your refugees, in fact, these are not related to each other, first a decision is made about that the money for the provision of refugees can be reduced and then they look for reasons to explain why you are doing this, so the decision has been made, then we say that the ukrainians

somehow treat themselves well in poland, and then if they treat poland badly, we will pay less, you know that i beat this younger brother because you didn't pay me a debt. well, somehow it also looks childish. and again, we are talking about the minister's statement, maybe it is the statement of serious politicians. but i repeat that it is very serious the story is why we have been doing almost the entire program for so long, and we have to draw certain conclusions from it, and not only to the little pole that these words of the president should not have been said from the tribune session of the general special he will assume that mr. valery convinced me but the poles themselves were planned in this way by our president when he cut down the truth from all er stands of all international organizations talking about

anyone who was considered er not a very er good partner, the poles were delighted with our honorable ambassadors in germany what uh called the federal chancellor an insulted sausage, very elegantly, and this diplomat of ours demonstrated simply, i would say, the wonders of the possibilities of encouraging the germans to provide military aid to ukraine, the poles enthusiastically wrote articles about it, something like this is the style of ukrainian diplomacy, so the president can calmly tell everyone that's how you are behave like the president has always done it. why do you behave like that in any president without any authority, that is , it turned out that this admiration is almost childish, it does not extend to them themselves, that when he yes - when it comes to some germans or israelis, how did the president speak like that about it or how we are very offended, offended, all this

was said at a high level, always everything is very good and correct. yes, he needs to be told that they are behaving like this. połojalav мне popołałal, we will not buy your grain, we will pay less to your refugees, you will soon all drown , what kind of childish insults are you? if you like such and such a style, then you should take into account that sooner or later such a style will spread to you. if you don't like this style, then you are the president of poland, you are an experienced politician , you have a serious career, you have gone through all the steps of a political career , so to speak. to good results well, somehow, this reaction doesn't show what he said because he himself behaves like that, it's not very visible. i'm just saying about polish society itself that if you

like it directly, a guy who doesn't look like a politician and who looks like one a simple guy, a servant of the people, that's why he is the people's president , and people in ukraine admire and are so proud of such a people. good afternoon. how can anyone say anything to anyone, get out of here, it's not a good thing, and it turns out that having something like marovetsk, you can't talk like that . he takes offense immediately, he doesn't you can say that he left there with her , you can't, you can't anymore, the prime minister of poland is a serious person, he is the main ally of ukraine , everything in the world depends on him, you have to speak politely, you can't say anything from the podium session of the general assembly, especially by the way, the word poland was spoken, of course no country was spoken, the opinion was expressed that countries that do not want to buy ukrainian grain, that's how they behave, and do you remember how harshly our president spoke about the prime minister of hungary, viktor horban? well, not very much was offended well, there are people who are very offended and people who are not very offended

, so on the other hand, i remember how one of my colleagues explained to the polish people that the main thing for poles is homer, honor, aren't they some kind of troublemakers, and this is necessary ukrainian politicians are engaged in respecting or disrespecting well, if you don't care, then don't give us the opportunity to sell our grain, there are no problems because it's a matter of honor, it's a matter of the budget of the ukrainian armed forces. if you want to help us win in this company against russia, then you must understand that we don't have any other money for our army, of course you have to protect your agriculture and at the same time you have to do everything possible to protect your national interests. and your national interests are that the russian army does not have come to galicia hmm no, then no farmers will help you, so to speak, because everyone says that poland

feels great under the umbrella of nato well, of course it does, but you have to understand that the umbrella of nato when russia is somewhere over there umbrella and when russia turns into the soviet union at the border in 1991, it is a different parachute, we must always remember that before the attack on our country, the russian federation appealed to the west with a clear and distinct demand to withdraw all the latest weapons from the territory of the countries of central europe and poland - this should also be remembered, and it was not written just like that, not for the sake of some beautiful word, because russians do not draw up their documents for the sake of any beautiful words, and of course it is very easy to treat these documents as lighthouses, but as we can see, they are ready to fight so that these idiotic documents become a reality. do we have to understand that the ambitions of the russians extend not only to the former soviet union, that is, to the former connection - this is

the first stage, and the second stage is the restoration the spheres of influence in central europe, the restoration of yalta if you want, the judicial base is absolutely correct, the social security and what if the poles did not reassure themselves that this does not concern them, it concerns them directly, the only possibility to prevent this is the second option. yes, this second option can lead to a nuclear war with large casualties. there will be a nuclear attack on poland and if there is the first option, and this too, the truth must be told to the people so that they do not live in an illusion, can russia strike warsaw , can or can the united states then strike russians in moscow are sure that no. why are they the americans, it’s warsaw and not washington , they can think in such categories because you and i have friends of putin’s company because they are clinical criminals i don’t want you to discuss this as a reality at all because it will never be a reality if

the first stage is not fulfilled, if russia does not cross the border of 1991 , then nothing will happen and poland can feel safe. the prime minister of poland and the respected mr. yaroslav kaczyński, who came to us on the maidan in the 13th year, spoke on the maidan for our your freedom, this is their main task number one because it depends on this the survival of poland, the second task and for them it is protection the interests of polish agriculture, and only the third task is to win the parliamentary elections. and those respected politicians with great experience and great political biographies with a running round are turning everything upside down . for them, the first task is to win the elections means the second task is that they want to protect the interests of polish farmers because it helps them. in the first and third

, only the tasks for them are to help ukraine, so this task turns out to be the second priority in this situation. for us, this is a big lesson and a lesson because by and large , as you understand, we can draw a conclusion about what our european integration will look like. to realize that we need real negotiations with our neighbors when i said a few months ago that poland and hungary could block our european integration, recently my colleague in poland , a ukrainian journalist working in poland, told me that her friends from the polish government in the eu sent her this interview of mine and they say how portnikov can say that, how can he say that, i say and now you haven't asked them and they say well, now they don't say anything like that anymore

, he says that we have to negotiate, i clearly said that our main problem in the future of european integration is poland, not even hungary. crimea is small. if poland blocks us, no one will unblock us. it means that we need to agree to find tools for agreements with poland on the policy of historical memory. then create, as mr. valevichali reminds, a commission of historians , create again, create a discussion, write a joint textbook, this is simply not holding a discussion, it is institutional shares that must be decision, what will our policy look like, historical monuments, joint leomed of european integration, it can be a painful thing once and for all, it turns out that we need to solve the issue with a coherent economy , if we do not solve it with the poles, we are discussing how it will look, what should the transition period look like, etc.

the other thing is that we will not join the european union either. by the way, the same applies to hungary if we do not solve the educational issues with hungary. don’t even think that anything will happen. we can spend negotiations with the european union, close all chapters, carry out all reforms and wait for our opportunities to join the european union, that for an extra 10 years, while we are playing with the poles, it means that it is absolutely unnecessary. this should be done before the negotiations, we need to understand that we do not have to to see the poles as their opponents in these negotiations and as an ally but for this it is necessary to talk about difficult issues and for this it is necessary to do it possible after the polish elections not to talk about it publicly but to create institutions for such a dialogue, i really headed the ukrainian side of the polish-ukrainian partnership forum there while this forum existed, and this is not exactly a public initiative, it is an initiative of the foreign affairs center of poland. ukraine is a very difficult

dialogue, but we always knew with our polish colleagues we have a common goal that we met in europe because if we meet in europe most of these problems that exist today between poland and ukraine will disappear by themselves and again i would like us to solve these issues intermediaries, because the fact that we are already starting to talk through intermediaries is a very bad signal for the polish -ukrainian relations, and together with that i would really like to say one more thing, we don't have two minutes left. and it's strange that we are it was talked about, it was necessary to talk. i absolutely do not understand those of our compatriots who just stand there scared and say that we should not insult the poles for anything they did not do there, they are our allies, they should not insult them, otherwise they will get angry. i remember that exactly like that

recently there was a ukrainian attitude towards moscow towards the russians, we even had political figures, i don't want to name their names, who believed that they could not mention publicly the name of the president of the russian federation , the ato, he will be offended and attack, oh, and this is serious, including our polish friends political figures are from such backgrounds, and it turned out that all this is in vain. understanding what is the main thing for building relations with any other country , there are no masters in politics, even if someone declares himself to be an elder

brother or a lawyer or a prosecutor in politics, there are no elder brothers , there is no advocacy of prosecutors either, but there are equal partners any attempt to replace an equal partnership with some other role leads to a crisis in any relationship, and the poles and i , thank god, have become such equal partners over the years, but we have not become such equal partners with the russians, that is why you are at war with them as a result of that they want to destroy us because they don't want us to be their equal partners , but they didn't want us to obey and now they want to destroy us, and the poles never do that in recent history, they didn't want that, and this indicates that our countries have great friendly potential we are in the future we are creating a common world we will create and will be in europe together thank you very much lesya for provoking me to such a long time that we spoke this hour and i hope that we put the dots over and for you our dear friends

viewers, you spent this hour with us, and thank you, mr. victoria , for what all these combat points spoke . time of news on the espresso tv channel in the studio . iryna koval welcomes all the viewers and we begin with the situation in the kherson region, one person died, three more were injured, among them policemen, the consequences of the enemy attack on boryslav, the occupiers hit the city with aircraft from the air , damage to private houses there was reported by the head of the regional military administration oleksandr prokudin, another air raid was carried out by the russians on the village of lviv in as a result of which a 67-year-old peaceful resident died