[000:00:00;00] a price tag that affects everyone on all teams if the fleet leaves crimea. imagine what a psychological factor it is already and the fleet has left us so we are abandoned here. that is, it is all interconnectedness . from 15-16 to 19 years he was in touch with us . now we will wait for mr. oleg sakyan, a political scientist, the head of the unified platform, the coordination center, if he is there, tell me, and if not, i will be fine, oleg. thank you for finding us on sunday for us, time is even more so on sunday evening, when i was driving to work in lviv, i don't know how in kyiv millions of people just walk , drink beer, have fun, laugh and so on. and i

think that all those who work are heroes. olezhe, this question is strongly related to your last name, because we have been reading for the last few weeks, or maybe a month, that the prime minister and the armenian establishment are saying that we are no longer on the road with russia, but yesterday i delved into the armenian event, yes i understood that the armenians are simply not the establishment, they continue to think that russia is an ally. how true is this? can you have any sources? maybe you have some relatives. maybe you correspond with someone or call back. what do the armenians think? we understand that there are clans on the mountain and karabakh, not karabakh, about moscow, so-and-so, the fifth, the 10th, but despite

the friction on the mountain, they say that among the people, there is definitely a certain number, a certain percentage, who are more actively political, but the majority of people continue to say, listen, what can we do without russia we don't have a way out, we have a hundred-year-old habit with russia , and that's why we continue to treat them well, what do you say, mr. olesh ? well, firstly, i'm not surprised in this matter, and the salon of karabakh, and secondly, my relatives are not there in armenia, i had relatives in in the territory of modern turkey, from where almost the entire family was cut off and fled, and therefore already in 3-4 generations , if brothers in the armenian part live in ukraine, i am the fourth, but returning to the topic of the day today, in fact, this experience with the decision of ancient times has a strong effect on armenians as a two-way experience, on the one hand, there are fears that there may be ethnic cleansing in karabakh in the 20th century

, and in particular, the armenian pogroms in azerbaijan in the 80s and 90s, and accordingly, this now creates serious mistrust between azerbaijan and armenia, in particular, in this round of the war, and now it manifests itself in the fact that a significant part of the karabakh people have now packed their things and are sitting on their suitcases in order to leave for the faith or at least have some opportunity to get certain guarantees that they will be safe at home, and the second part of this experience is the fact that during the soviet era, the myth was installed in armenia that the armenian people were actually protected from total destruction by russian aid and that russia is a balance to turkish turkic ambitions more broadly , i.e. turkey and azerbaijan, ambitions in the region for which armenia is a bone in the throat that cuts the yorkshire world is wider after azerbaijan. other countries have gone there, and now they are cut off from turkey, which considers itself the leader of the turkic

world, not without reason, and that is why we currently have the following a situation where armenians have these two parallel fears and these two myths that are produced by the fears and produced by them about russia, the attitude of armenians has shaken very seriously even before. in russia, about 2/3 of armenians belong to the category of non- pro-russian, and there are different types, starting from skepticism about russia ending with a radically anti-russian is another matter. what is really a certain part of society, a minority that still remains under the influence of russian propaganda, watches russian satellite television and the problem, in particular, with ukraine in that, for example, in our bilateral relations with armenia, we always look at each other through the eyes of third parties . ukraine does not have corpoints in armenia in order to have its own view and check information, and armenia does not have one in ukraine, and therefore, due to the inertia of armenia, they look through moscow and the moscow analytical agencies

, realizing that they are distorting information, but nevertheless, they get it from there, and in ukraine they learn about armenia from where god will send from where or i. propaganda is dominated by azerbaijani or russian or turkish or we will see the point of view of the europeans or sometimes we break through with our own hands as correspondents and therefore we sometimes also have a ukrainian point of view. these are the situations that are happening right now, this is a kitten under him, a wobbly chair. russia has not been successful yet. the rallies that were populated were not numerical in nature, these enthusiasms, etc. there was indeed an attempt to shake off the assault, but even then it was not possible to do so, the rallies swelled to a few people on the square, and now armenian society is facing such a certain maturity test in simple language, russia is interested in bringing pro-russian political forces to overthrow us, but they

cannot do this because these pro-russian political forces are extremely original and not popular among armenians. to keep the internal political situation stable, to separate the tides , to prevent russia from shaking the situation and to put a puppet on the government, but on this and to preserve certain democratic principles, control over pashinyan, who has a number of issues with society the last elections in yerevan, which took place a week ago, showed a turnout of 28%, and with pennies there were 28, which was a yellow card in the direction of the armenian elites as a whole , and the opposition, and this is the most internal enemy of armenia to date, because the kitten needs to recredit in society in order to carry out a policy of sovereignty now under the influence of threats that exist. and this escalation took place purely under the influence and sanctioned by russia in

several hands. these data are more detailed for those who want to understand the situation, and on the other hand, you need to take a second, because i have a question about russia , your next question is even more theoretical , philosophical, historical, anthropological, i don’t know ethnographic, ethnographic . just now you are emphasizing and i see that uh mostly just the majority says that as long as russia is there there will be problems when i immerse myself in the history of azerbaijan and the history of armenia i see that these problems are not only me when they start reading i had an idea to talk about it i understood i won’t be able to because the number of changes captures retreats on those lands is catastrophically simple list here i

have two hours of programs i will list for two hours and i am told after that there is no russian influence i say listen, russia appeared there. as far as i understand, it ended in 1796 , if it had already become the turkmanchai treaty of 1828. and before that, there was a century and the only christian community - this is karabakh, this is armenians , and around and inside there are constant eh mongol-tatars, persians and their reactions, people i just don't know, i didn't study, they're called albanians, where did they come from , what kind of albanians are they, they're ancient albanians, they're already modern albanians , and in short, it's just a billion people who wandered there, because apparently the land is very, very fertile.

reconciliation between armenians and azerbaijanis is possible, considering not the last 100 years, or 105, but 500 whole periods of history when there was no bloodshed and when they lived side by side, another matter is that they changed all the time due to the fact that it is the crossing point of a whole series of logistical routes of trade routes before, this is also the silk route that passed there. until now, the architectural monuments are the ancient caravanserai that ran along this corridor in the mountains. this is an extremely historical point, therefore, of course, these lands, like any historical land at the intersection of trade routes, were watered in several layers. blood for many centuries and millennia but nevertheless, there were pages and in fact when they say that russia is now behind the destabilization of the region, it is true

. this is not the whole truth, but a significant part of it. were very close in order to put an end to the azerbaijani conflict, recognize each other's borders and actually establish certain parity concessions, but then it was disrupted by a terrorist attack in the armenian parliament when parliamentarians were shot and in the end it was radicalized, it led the karabakh clan to the power of armenia, and why i mentioned it because one of the testimonies of p. litvinenko, who was then generously drunk with polonium by the russians, was precisely that the fsb was behind this terrorist attack precisely because the settlement of armenian azerbaijan the conflict did not suit the brain, because in such a case they leave the region. and this conflict in its current form was planted by stalin more than 100 years ago in the last century in order to hang a bloody hook on both azerbaijan and armenia and to mutate this conflict all the time . well, nothing the only thing russia is capable of is inciting conflicts and

eventually supplying weapons to azerbaijan and armenia, creating economic , financial, and political pressure, and i will not continue with the criminal oligarchy. kept both countries in tension and herself as a guarantor of the fact that full-scale activation is not taking place, and now russia has taken this step by forcing it first by bringing puppets in a carabas, there was actually a mutiny in one night , the russian puppets came, after that the russian peacekeepers closed it eyes on azerbaijan's operation was preceded by a nine-month blockade of karabakh by armenia, does this mean the border with armenia or the criminal corridor where the peacekeepers were supposed to control the lych border, but they simply they blocked it, saying that it was blocked by the azerbaijanis, he is a youth, something from his function and now , when the activation took place. this all happened at the time of a rather weak , rather weak position of armenia, putting

the kitten on a stretcher a-a 23 hours after the start of the operation a-a moscow puppets accepted the broadcast in the end, almost not joining, it is called the same , putting armenia on a stretcher, whether to join for karabakh, then it is news or not to join and get the brand of national treason, but now they are shaking under this very fact brand within the situation, it is true that they do not succeed, but something tells me that the so-called status quo will simply be restored , in the sense that karabakh remains under azerbaijan and we do not know what will happen there , we have a super wide dispersion of opportunities from genocide to a window of reconciliation, many says that azerbaijan wants to make a showcase that look how cool they are, no one falls under us as if under bullets, on the contrary, you see, everything is being restored here, and

armenia remains within its borders and is shorter. it was called, i don't remember correctly, i understand the results of the decades-long confrontation over the renewal of the status that was still in the soviet union. well, if you say the status quo of the late soviet union, then the conflict actually began then, but it did not end. russia, why now it went, they need two things to stay in the region, and armenia and azerbaijan were at the final direct agreement regarding the real settlement of the conflict, both sides made concessions and attributed to the united states and we could already this year to get agreements that would really put an end to the conflict, that's why russia now went to this activation, azerbaijan wants to come out with stronger negotiating positions , that's why they actually followed the situational success in this activation, although i'm afraid that they

exchanged their strategic interests, because at the moment the conflict is not going anywhere exhausted, karabakh was under the control and security of, say , armenia for 30 years, but it did not solve the conflict, now it can be a year or two, even 50 years under the control of azerbaijan, but it will not solve it conflict because the world community is clear in this case because the mandate of the minsk group was created 30 years ago, it is based on the fact that there are principles of the un charter, in particular the principle of territorial integrity and the inviolability of borders, two principles that are absolutely justice on the part of azerbaijan , but there is the right to self-determination and the principles of non-violent resolution of conflicts because armenians have experienced ethnic cleansing more than once and, accordingly , the principle of territorial integrity cannot be implemented at the expense of the security of the armenian rabahu and as well as

the security of the armenians of karabakh cannot be solved at the expense of violating the territorial integrity of azerbaijan, and the report was looking for a formula for how to find this structure and, in the end , everything is approaching this. with the strengthening of the united states, the situation has now been tried to be solved by force again, because azerbaijan will now receive a package of sanctions, the latest the council with the un on the karabakh issue was devastating for azerbaijan , even germany, which has always distanced itself , took a very tough position. the united states takes a tough position. france well, here the armenian diaspora really influences the traditional here, that is, it is very difficult to say that this is an impartial country , but i can’t say more. it’s sunday. i suggest you go have a beer somewhere because i’m finishing . i still have a lot of people who have my back . if you were in kyiv, would you have a drink? together and so fate will fall like this fate like this thank you very much oleg saakean is the head of the political scientist, the head of the platform, the single coordination center was with us, now there will be advertising, then to internal ukrainian issues, among which are in

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there are not 226 votes in the rada to ban the russian church in ukraine. why is this because they are all faithful uh, the moscow patriarchate, what is the reason, how is it possible during the war and when there are 150 million proofs that this particular church can not all the church figures, but the specific weight is large just by the horns of any espionage ideological enemies and and and there is no majority in the council what to accept relevant decisions. what do you think, why is there not this majority , well, first of all , mr. mykola, i congratulate you, it has been a long time since the first month , this is a big mistake on our part. i really hope so

now your questions are really important and for me personally painful because i am one of the semi-authors of one of the laws aimed at solving this problem well , i think that my colleague ruslan aleksiyovich stefanchuk meant that if let's assume that tomorrow we will put one of these laws to the vote, or there are all of them one by one . well, then we won't get the necessary number of votes, because yes. so i think that we have a chance to collect these votes. but i think that here , in fact, the speaker is absolutely right when eh well, what he sees is from himself he doesn't find information from the faction, he doesn't find any confidence that

the minimum number of 226 is necessary, so it actually exists , so it seems to me that it is the responsibility of the leadership of all factions and groups, in particular , of course, ours, and why is this situation ? well, i wouldn't say that the parliament there is permeated by agents of the influence of a specific church. well, i would say that there are indeed people who were there who remain faithful to this church and there are people who are badly misinformed there. information yes and er these people believe that the adoption of these laws or there are several of them, it will, let's say, violate the principle of non-interference of the state in the activities

of the churches by violating the principle of freedom of religion, which is not true. because in fact , the state, i have explained this many times and it will have to be repeated again, the state does not fight with any church, the state does not fight with any religious organization, the state just wants to say that now, well, in principle, before , but now even more so, ukrainian religious organizations cannot it is important to the avranic religion or there are others any ukrainian religious organizations cannot have the right to have connections, especially connections and subordination, with religious organizations located in the aggressor state, and even more so, which are governed

by the leadership of the aggressor state, period - this is not about faith at all it's not about religion, it's not about freedom of conscience at all, it's about absolutely civil matters, state civil matters, because in fact, any religious body, religious organization, it 's actually, well, it's so special. but nevertheless , the form of a public organization. well, we are with you tomorrow we can create an er goshka means to deal with those issues that we consider necessary to deal with and this is again for er let's say statutes documents and there will be differences , of course, but it will be the same group as any religious organization, there is no difference and of course what if we you lunatics of zbozhevolovshchyna, that means we will decide uh, that means establishing ties with some uh, public organization that exists in the so-called russian federation

, especially if it is managed from the kremlin, then well, you and i will have problems, respectively. well, because this well, it will violate the ukrainian legislation itself, and we adopted many laws that regulated all this and unfortunately, unfortunately, only this history with religious organizations remained. what is the difference again? it's not about christ. it's not about ... - uh, who else is there? so it means that it's about uh, religious organizations, which are well, a peculiar form of public organizations, that is, it's exclusively about this, look at that, look , mykola, i just wanted to share with you information that i don't think everyone has uh, and since we don't spend one day with each other, then i would love to share this news right with you and

on your screen. we had a collection of signatures not only in our faction, but in general, in the parliament, yes, it means with an appeal to the speaker to put these laws under consideration, so as of now, it means that under this appeal, we already have almost 200 signatures, of course , it is clear that 200 signatures are there. means er, it is there er, it means 80 percent, it means it is done with twenty percent of the effort, and then it means 20%

, respectively. there, it means more with our effort. that we will have 226, it is better of course 230 or there is 240, then we just need to work more here , but i want to emphasize that our situation is not hopeless at all, that is, in fact, we should now talk about what all the factions of the group have so that we can be sure that we have the eyes there additional necessary er 40 or better 50 votes is, in my opinion, an achievable goal and er it is i am convinced er it should still be pressure from the public and the media, unfortunately, we will not do this, that is, if it is necessary for the country to know by name which of the members of the verkhovna rada are ready to vote even before

the vote, and who is not ready, then i have repeatedly asked mykolaiv as media representatives and colleagues from the public sector to simply e method. as they say, i will call yes. that means positions were clarified. positions were clarified. i think that it will not help. if you answer my one question once, it will not . i have a second question and i will ask it. now to the government, to those deputies and i say sign up to the video call and ban this church finally, but i have a second question. it is very cunning, look, we all cheer for the ukrainian army, we all want the restoration of the borders from 1991, and now the ukrainian government

is coming to donbas in the crimea in the crimea donbas, where the ukrainian greek catholic church and the ukrainian orthodox church of the kyiv patriarchate were simply thrown out , and in short, everything related to ukraine was thrown out, and now when it will be restored there with the law for the adoption of which you and i are cheering right here right now. this means that the russian church or all its branches are camouflaged there under something else and are taken from crimea from donbas . well, i don’t see another option. simply if there is legislation, if ukraine restores its control, that is, it introduces its own legislation does it return then all this has to go somewhere, where it is not yet known, maybe this is one of the reasons for some honest, let's say, deputies who refrain, at least for now , we hope from signing this