[000:00:00;00] but you can say that day by day it was in september of the 15th year. i received an invitation from a russian musician who has been living in gambia for a long time. he is a cellist. the invitation to a concert with that name is now translated from russian to ukrainian. -e russian-ukrainian concert of mir so it was called the freedom concert of the concert of peace at the university in khatin city, it is one of the construction university of gambu, i uh, i read the announcement of this concert. there are indeed many russian musicians of some kind, but the main thing is

that it is the 15th year there a symphony ensemble performs with the name of taurida, do you feel st. petersburg musical ensemble with the name of taurida and st. petersburg, the name is yes, the 15th year, because the annexation of crimea to russia took place less than a year ago, and some three m.m. it is not known that there were three violinists of lviv. already then there was such a tendency to create the illusion of some kind of cultural cooperation and friendship between ukrainian and russian artists, and at this concert it should have started with

the fact that even a burgameter was invited there hamburg, then who was scholz, the current chancellor, i immediately answered this, uh, this musician, who invited me, i can now read what i told him, what i can do, i wrote to him mr. branch in russian because he is russia mr. gelesen because i did not notice that you how- actively opposed the war unleashed by russia against ukraine . не беспокойте пожалуйста на что он мне расположение the flag in my hands on this i parted ways with him but then it turns out that it's not only me er now i'll bring it to the ukrainian er it turned out that i wasn't the only one who noticed this event and

also some of of the ukrainian community, there are about 10 of our ukrainians here and in hamburg, and we started to find out what kind of ensemble tavria is and who is its leader, we found out that this pangolikov is the leader of this ensemble of tavrid, st. petersburg, that he has some kind of interview yu where he is literally also in the same in the 15th year, where he tells, almost quoting, that ukraine does not have its own music as such, there is no music of any kind, even significant composers, that is , nothing can be said about ukrainian musical culture as such. i will make these conditions right now, er, outrage, now i ca

n't find ukrainian words, and we got together as a group, contacted our er, our consul at that time, it was oksana tarasyuk, and we then wrote a letter to er, hamburg city hall to to this culture department of the ministry of culture hamburg that we how to say indignant shocked indignant as laws so we expressed our indignation as with the support of the consul that in general such an event with such an e-e in the background of everything it was the 15th year it was not yet in the background in the environment what is happening that we cannot

to come to terms with this or what will be present there, the mayor of hamburg schultz, who, as i later found out, he himself was in st. petersburg at the concert of this exact same year, at the concert of this tavrida ensemble, hamburg and st. petersburg are twin cities , what are you like aha well, we understand now for sure not anymore. are you. is there any remaining st. petersburg? i didn’t follow up. to be honest, it’s there now and then. as a result of this letter , it was indeed sent to the city hall. they answered something that they will take it into account and, uh, something, i wasn’t on it myself. concert, but then he sent his representative to someone, that is, today. it is already impossible

to imagine that there would be such a concert with the name freedom concert, it would not even be funny, but then despite the war of aggression in crimea such an event was possible you friends, by the way, when russians say that there is no ukrainian music, there is no ukrainian culture as such, there is a certain desire in the german cultural environment to understand whether it is there or not, or whether it has increased. we held these ukrainians here. what uh-uh are now refugees, what artists we held

a joint exhibition um no german-ukrainian joint exhibition uh-uh and uh, in general a lot happened during this exhibition we we communicated as artists with artists and ukrainians with german artists, and even later when the exhibition was functioning. those were just meetings with the audience and we really faced the fact that there were many, many misunderstandings , they do not understand what ukraine is in general, how it functions that really the same russian negatives about this same language issue is a legend that somehow the oppression of the russian language continues, so to speak, under the conditions of the germans , it continues to function on the one hand

, on the other hand, so that as far as culture is concerned well, it doesn't happen that you meet someone, she asks you, what is ukrainian culture, what is it, no, no, there must be some specific reason, and when there is a reason , for example, some event, if it's a musical event or some artistic event the same kind of visual art or some other , and already on this occasion you can somehow start a conversation about the fact that there is a ukrainian culture in general, what are the roots there, for example, i still started to do it on my own, if it was the 16th i had such a series of works for a year

ukrainian songs. so i made an exhibition in one church community where each painting was dedicated to some specific song and i told what kind of work it is, what is the poetic basis of this song. i will tell you in at that time, i had a theory that in ukraine it was the songs, mainly during the soviet era , that it was the songs and poems in these songs . public for everyone, he is not some kind of self-sufficient person, but in fact

, he found these manifestations of national consciousness and brought them out most precisely in songs in which special songs, in which songs in folk songs or in which international songs of any kind. uh, just lyrical songs, there is love for the lyric or some other same thing, this national manifestation of the national culture is free, having no other way out, if it concentrates on the song, that's what i already said. but why did you think that if we are talking about the lyrics, it means the soviet era

that this feeling is simply the presence of the people's national spirit well, in the song i could be wrong, i don't know no, i at least understood your point of view, by the way, about scholz, you can see his evolution from the moment he was there ruling as the burgomaster of hamburg and such a typical social democratic a politician and now he is such a determined , determined opponent of putin, is it just that the situation forced him or has he really changed, so you should follow him , how do you see it? well, he is generally a social democrat , they have such a very well developed they have a well-developed sense of social sentiments, they feel the society in which they function and they, like me, immediately understood the first bombing at

the very first, dear photo of a broken house somewhere in kyiv. did they immediately understand what kind of impact it would have on their voters, that is, something follows the mood of the voters. i would say so, no, i do not rule out that he is not a normal person himself, just as he is shocked by these atrocities committed by russia, but as a politician he understands that the entire society is, after all, the vast majority of this society, she is absolutely, well, regardless of the political left or right or some other views, she is first of all shocked by this inhumanity that

the russians showed and uh, it was really a shock , social seam, you can say that, by the way about inhumanity in germany has always been such. i would say a complex of absolutely grounded historical guilt against russia, but precisely against russia as such, not against ukraine, not against belarus, but before russia for what the german army and german special services did in the soviet union during the second world war world war and this is not the people of some russians, she has changed this sense of responsibility . maybe she just spread it to ukraine as a country that also suffered from the hitlerites at first. for them, there is already some flag of their great-grandfathers, for whom they really are. they do not have this living sense of some

kind of personal responsibility, this is a damn theory , they are like germans, like those who position themselves as germans, they accept, as it were, this historical responsibility, but that is all they are i don't feel it so acutely and personally, that's why i don't think that this is any kind of actual problem, but by the way, this creates a certain dissonance with russia, which literally lives with the memory of the second world war and you don't live with anything else, you see what they even the war in ukraine is somehow trying to be tied to this memory of the second world war. and by the way , they always said that what a tragedy german tanks kill russians oh-oh -oh here is a part of the same social-democratic

camp she also with this argument at the beginning the wars were used, but somewhere after buchi, it all stopped working, all these arguments have already lost any meaning , better, better. i would say that she covered everything else, everything that was once there almost 100 years ago, well, you were talking about this concert, but you see that now here are the representatives of the russian absv cultural community. they try all the time to somehow enter into some dialogue with ukrainians, to be experts on ukrainian issues in the west and ukrainian society - it is always incredibly annoying every time if a ukrainian the writer wants to start a discussion there with some kind of i, a discussion with some kind of conventional russian

russian cultural persona, even with people who have long had foreign citizenship, like mikhail shishkin, who has long been in switzerland or masha hes, who returned from russia to the united states, in the end it causes irritation a this is how it is generally perceived in the west. to what extent are these representatives of the russian i don’t even know if it can be called the opposition, let’s say russians outside of russia, how are they perceived as some really experts as people to which you need to listen when it comes to russia and ukraine well, to be honest, it is difficult for me to answer this question because it was revealed by him on some political plane . i communicate more with people of art

. indeed, here in hamburg, there are two ruling parties , the greens and the social democrats, and i feel that there is such a political thing going on. are ukrainians friends like that, ukrainian artists, uh, they oppose it, that is, i don’t know any of the ukrainian artists who have taken to such a thing, but there is really such a request from politics . why is it so?

russians are experts on ukrainian issues. i am in such a generally german way. i did not notice this, that is, when some russian artists are invited, it really often happens that some writer or artist from russia is invited to the central channel and on talk shows, but they don’t talk about ukraine and they only explain some russian issues, that is, as experts from ukraine , the russians don’t use it, i can testify. well, what do i mean? i recently saw the statement of the famous valerist marat gelman there. of a russian choleraist, once a political technologist who says that ukrainian artists refuse joint exhibitions with russian ones. well, as a result, they do not exhibit and there is no possibility for ukrainian artists

to exhibit. i don't know where i am. i know what's going on and how it's happening, this is not true, it only happened during this year, i took part in three joint projects in ukraine, uh, ukrainian artists with ukrainian artists, this is supported uh, all these projects are supported by the ministry of culture of hamburg or some other other official such institutions are special, such a program of meetings was also organized by the ministry of culture of hamburg, where all

galleries were invited, almost all gallerists of hamburg, almost all of them are not what they are called organizations uh, public is it what it's called, yes, public, uh, public organization, which are from different fields of art, and maybe music and visual arts, and applied arts, and where are the german eyes, so to speak, so to speak, those who do not give space and were invited and from on the other side, these ukrainians are refugees, who are also from various very different types of art, music , and well, because there is a lot of things, well, a very large area was provided where there were several such meetings , and these artists found each other and

agreed on a joint project and only me with i have already sold participation in three such projects and other ukrainian ones - which i know well in two of them, the alton festival or that is, it is not true what mirant gelman says, if he says it, that ukrainian artists have some problems with e-e exhibitions on themselves somehow it is a little creative to find out that it is not like that in germany. it is just a lie. well, i understand that when ukrainian artists do not want to participate in with russian ones, they choose russian kindergartens . this was the idea. but ukrainian artists can do it to allow many other e-e exhibitions without russian ones well, that's what i mean, i won't be true to you yet. tell me, how do i strike you out for that, to wretch ukrainian

art, that's historically? i mean, you and i were witnesses. how are you? years ago in europe, the anniversary of the russian avant-garde was celebrated with huge exhibitions in all european museums, but in fact it was artists from ukraine and there was a clear definition of the russian avant-garde and all these artists who are somehow connected with ukrainian lands, they were represented there somehow russian artists , even those artists who never positioned themselves as russians, but were ukrainians there , like a burlyuk or something else .

it is not possible to solve this problem in one day, one month or one year, it is necessary to create other educational programs in universities, someone . that is, this is academic work, it is not the work of such living artists or publicists er or journalists as they were er kind or educated. that is, it is such a complex, complex task that must be accepted by an institute like it. i think that it has been created now, and the ukrainian institute is there, but it is not a scientific institution . that is, it is a fundamental absolutely state task - it is not, it is not, it is a task cannot be resolved at the level of some individual artists or individual figures, it must be a comprehensive state

-developed, academically developed program, i would say so. moreover, for each, for each country, separately for germany, one for the united states the states are different and so on, but the conclusion when you look, you see this is ukrainian painting, so to speak, in duration like organisms well, like some kind of historical, some kind of cultural process, so what can we take in order for it to be a science, it must be seen, you know, i think an artist must be seen to see it well, you, a scientist, can only describe a fact with processes. there is no process. you can’t describe it. i’m just writing. that’s why you ask. you see it. so when you look at the past, at the soviet past, i don’t know about the past of the russian empire, you see it there.

ukrainian painting is different from, let's say, russian or polish. well, i am. you said that starting from the moment of ukraine's independence, this period, which i remember as a witness, definitely means this difference between the ukrainian belly of the last 30-40 years and in russian, she's eye-catching. what can i say, she's a fan somewhere deeper in history, then it's really more there , it's necessary to separate each individual

case, consider it separately and look there. an artist is this question, they are not solved in one sentence, but since the independent ukraine since the 90s , ukrainian painting definitely has its own face, which is different from everything in moscow or st. petersburg or somewhere else in russia that is, it is not visible to the naked eye, it was done, i said so. thank you. thank you for this conversation. perceive these cultural processes that are currently taking place in europe and are connected with

ukrainian artists. by the way , germany itself is reacting to all these processes that are important for us, which are somehow related to the war with the presentation ukraine and see, we have come to the point of the exhibition that in order to see what ukrainian art is and how to present it in the world, you need serious painstaking work, and you seem to me to be the last program, that is, on sunday, we talked about music in this just understanding now we talked about paintings every time we meet or why did i decide to talk about it for a few minutes, that this is done on some amateur volunteer e-e initiatives , that specific people are actually themselves forced to replace entire cultural institutions of the industry and thus it is all-ukrainian that she sees around her

music, literature, painting, in the end , history itself, and this should be our clear awareness for the future, for the future , not even after the war. and we may also be the future war years ago because no one knows how long this war will last that we need institutions that could prove to the world the uniqueness of ukraine as a civilization because each state has its own meaning when it is able to prove its uniqueness to itself and by surrounding education as a civilization when this uniqueness is there but the skill and desire to prove it are not. well, here are the problems that we have been facing for centuries and even during the last three decades of ukrainian independence. i sincerely

thank you, friends, and wish you all the best. good luck to you these days and all the best in the coming ones. i congratulate you on the espresso channel. so, volodymyr zelenskyi ended his official visit to the united states and announced significant results, in particular. he reported that there is a long-term agreement that ukraine will jointly produce the necessary weapons with america. there may be air defense systems, zelensky said of course it is important at the same time on the agenda, as far as i am concerned, it is a weapon for today and for tomorrow, it has become financial support from of the united states and security guarantees for ukraine. by the way, this was also discussed in washington, where congress is currently considering the white house's request for additional aid