[000:00:00;00] consider support but but this was not done directly. that is, it was connected with the position of mccarthy himself, because it is very weak. he is very dependent on the votes of the maga group of the trembia group, so it can be said that here ukrainian diplomacy did not follow the situation and, er, lost a certain point of initiative because it works very, very weakly with the republicans. i believe that the traditional ukrainian diaspora has always been friends with the republicans, and not using these opportunities means a big failure, although i will remind you that the visit of zelensky began with visits to the ludei spire awarded to the military and meetings with ukrainian

public activists in the usa, whom he also awarded, that is, what seems to be the right steps taken, but the set of steps seems to be correct , but the expected result is not there, that is, it is obvious that the energy is lost the connection between the set of tools and the method of their implementation is clear, mr. volodymyr, and i still have two or two questions , one short for the other. and here is a very tricky thing. the fact is that there was a certain fear of teasing the russians, and as far as i understand, all the media hype about the attack, everything that was organized by kiev, was aimed at striking the crimean bridge, which in the states

was perceived as a not entirely inappropriate gesture and as a result, when it was already announced that the attacks were being surrendered, it turned out that it was a cluster missile. but in fact, for front-line events, these attacks are very necessary. they really change the distribution of forces, so to speak, because one such missile covers a huge territory in fact, it destroys at least one company in one shot, one company of the enemy. and with greater concentration, it is possible to cover the battalion. therefore , it is a very effective weapon, and when it was announced about the cassette format, it means that , after all, it is an offensive weapon for drinking. -e warehouses of the enemy and what is important is that such

missiles can be fired at the airfields , this means that the crimean airfields can be said to be excluded already and most likely if russia does not take away the planes in the near future, they will all be shot down by helicopters and what is the lack of aviation on the front is a great opportunity for the ukrainian offensive , in which they will be killed, all of them are correct , mr. volodymyr, it is not possible, the most important thing. it seems to me that president biden was guided by what and what the bundeskans sent in the mail, he put all the supplies there towers, and well, in washington, they decided that you need ukrainians to grow there . p volodymyr, well, and the last question for you, after all, you already mentioned ukrainian-polish relations at the beginning . please tell me who is to blame and what he should do had the ukrainian side because poland provided poland with all the opportunities

for transit, and i want to remind you that the position of brussels and the european union is important here, because the european union created preferential conditions for the export of any agricultural products of ukraine, well, all products on the european market, and for some reason, in kyiv, it decided that it is worth flooding the neighboring countries with not expensive ukrainian grain, but one must understand the structure of the agricultural production of these neighboring countries, this is a small farm that is not able to compete in shadows are not in quality with ukrainian grain, but these farms are the basis of rural development in slovakia. the ministry of agrarian policy of rural development is called. that is, rural demography is very tightly imprisoned. well, rural agricultural production is connected with the development of villages with rural demography, so

farmers when riots occur in these countries , it is primarily due to pressure on uh, politics, uh, with pressure, with voter pressure, well, the farmers of poland. it is radical that they were ready to fill with a manure spreader the road along which zelenskyi's motorcade was supposed to travel, that is, the farmers would roll out their tractors and pour manure on all the highways, how much, well, in poland it is radicalized because the small profitability of the enterprise is a lot of work eh and er, farmers cannot survive without a subsidy from the european union, but kyiv here made another mistake when er, well, these pick-ups between warsaw and kyiv began, the bank decided to go through brussels because of the fonderland amount, when in

warsaw they heard about what, well, kyiv is asking to press the president for everything, they simply boiled over there because they thought that our bilateral relations are our entrepreneurs , just a minute, i'm finishing. therefore, this is hyper-objectivity, which should not be questioned, and out of sadness, it was kyiv that gave away these relations . well, unfortunately, eh, volodymyr, i thank you very much for participating in today 's program. it was volodymyr tsibulko, a political scientist . we had a lot to talk about and a lot more.

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of the south caucasian branch , the center for the study of the army of conversion and disarmament. which is probably the most interesting thing for me in this situation . can we say that azerbaijan finally manages to return karabakh? yes, of course, right during our conversation, azerbaijan is now physically engaged in bringing as close as possible to the moment when the so-called nagorno- karabakh republic not only where jura and de facto on the ground will become the karabakh economic zone of azerbaijan directly in this at this moment the corresponding processes are going on in their superstitious

coordinate system for me the final solution to this the question will be after the flag of azerbaijan in khankendi, uh, this will happen in the near future, and uh, the main moment, when the last russian so-called peacemaker , the peacemaker, left, will leave the territory of karabakh, it is more difficult for azerbaijan here because , first of all, azerbaijan too, which is doomed to work, lead, release territory, this whole terrorist operation, now, well, in a certain communication with russian peacekeepers and baku , where is it to understand that uh, he will not pedal the issue until the end of the 20th, the 25th year regarding the withdrawal of russian peacekeepers, this is written in the night paper based on the results of the 404-day war in november of the 20th year, but another thing in baku also makes it clear that

it is not going to be extended after the 25th year of the russian military. well, it loses its meaning if it is resolved the issue of the full integration of the region, de facto, i emphasize in the structure all of azerbaijan, i.e. look , you are also saying what i read about, maybe i will confirm it even more now. that is, the information was that the official baku could cooperate and you this is what you say with the russian so-called peacekeepers and that moscow even gave some certain information, in particular, about the coordinates of the concentration of military groups on the territory of karabakh, and this could help precisely during the anti-terrorist operation , vladimir, if this was so, then it turns out that moscow really woke up armenia let's do this step by step, well, the conditions are like this after the 44-day war, that is, one of the results, in addition to

the undeniable victory of azerbaijan in that phase of the war, as i call karabakh, now there they say the third phase is the fifth, we all see the attention of the placement of the russian military on the territory of azerbaijan in karabash, therefore there are no options for the current conditions without communication , no matter how it sounds there, it offended someone like it or not without communication with the so-called rna without certain bargaining pressure on them whatever, in principle, any military operation of azerbaijan is impossible by definition. it was already impossible from the escalation scenarios, now you are showing the footage to them. it was the most optimal from the point of view of minimizing the losses of both the civilian population and the so-called combatants from the illegal armed armenian formations on the territory

of karabakh, further regarding the transfer by the russians of the coordinate here -e i don't quite agree with that, why? well, you lead like this, and the azerbaijanis have such intelligence opportunities there, all these positions were visible through binoculars, there was no need to transmit anything, even from the other side , what was the communication, well, listen to the prices, the law not the armed formations from the 20th year, how did the russians get there, they were in full operational and subordination of the command of the national army of armenia, not the armenian general staff, despite the fact that armenia maintains these troops , money was transferred there, the entire budget of the so-called now defunct ncre was supported by armenia , but in operational subordination, they carried ammunition and projectiles from position to position under the escort of the russian peacekeepers, the word of the peacekeepers was so annoying that the azerbaijanis were very annoyed because of this, the checkpoint appeared in the eyes of azerbaijan, because until now this was not the case in

agreements, he simply reached the point, there were problems with the russians. therefore, now it is not about the transfer of coordinates , it is what the russians have informed, believe me, even through their channels, to their subordinates, what do you want for the position if there will be 1 2 3, and i do not think that this is bad, because those shots even as you are now showing there, the infrastructure, the positions of the equipment, even the air defense equipment, it was crumbling. that’s good, but there were practically no personnel there, and now there is a lot of disinformation of various ideas. you didn’t want to speculate, but on the topic of casualties and the civilian population, but believe me they well, everything could have been much worse - let's call it that and well, these are our realities and even under such conditions of moderation, pay attention that there were no interruptions without failures, according to various data , six russian so-called two deputy commanders, among them, and this russian rmk , were killed in a firefight in azerbaijan admitted that it was us, azerbaijan, had already apologized and so on, and the information is not confirmed that

two more were actually shot by armenians. so here it will be very interesting to see how the events will develop further, it is not a fact that we are being told about it, but russia for sure will invite the indurgians for the death of their own peacekeepers, and this is almost neo-odoside, the azerbaijani expert environment does not always publicly say that there is a very similar situation with the downed russian helicopter literally at the end of the 40-four-day war as a certain casus bellis so that azerbaijan, well, let's say more so conniving was the kremlin 's moderation now, well, it was so obvious that russian peacekeepers are demonstratively dying there, a very important moment for ukraine is there, the deputy of some flotilla of russian submarines was killed there federation there, he was at the resort. he was probably making money , and we had such a meme. do you remember the submarine in the steppes of ukraine

? now the submariner died in the karabakh mountains. this is not horror. i just wanted to ask you. how was the submariner ? i don't remember what it's called in our country. i don't remember the social educational institution. there is some kind of work in ukrainian realities. the deputy was a deputy. they were definitely paid, and here there was one deputy and it was recognized. you can imagine the level of non-public communication of the side . you have to deal with moscow because, well, this to a certain extent, it is a precedent and what the russians will roll out there in the future. well, as here according to the classical concept, their wisdom is that they may ask that the military base that is now left after the 25th year of the backstage can only receive other questions about the restoration of contracts in the same karabakh and financial things, that is, what will they roll out well, we will see that not everything is smooth even in such and such

moderation and in such relations, but the main question is that we are really from azerbaijan, eh , it creates a precedent in the post-soviet space for other countries on the de-occupation of their own territories in relation to the restoration of justice. this is true, but if we go down to the details, it is not so at all, because armenia did not directly attack other countries, and russia did not act through the faithful regarding the occupation of the territory of moldova, georgia, ukraine, it is somehow so clear , but look at me i also asked you about the fact that putin did not leave armenia at that time because, well, it’s me , i don’t consider such a question to be relevant. - which country of the post-soviet space they look at you as if they were a client. and what is there? well, bismarck from the other world says that he did not say such a thing. well, there is a famous phrase that any contract with the russian federation is not worth the paper on

which it is signed. well, he understands it now, and the armenian cannot say everything when when did she actually abandon armenia, what do we mean now, when formally uh, having species and in azerbaijan, in georgia, in armenian , for a long time, not transcaucasia, imperial logic they still call it, although for us, rostov from here in the caucasus, from the south caucasus, that is, nothing it hasn't changed, they asked armenia now or when in 1999 the whole world of armenian politics and geopolitics was shot in the parliament and karabas likuvan was brought to power, who for 20 years made armenia a client of the russian federation on paper and in real life anywhere on earth and now look, it's an interesting moment to talk about during the last escalation of the dominance. there was absolute silence on the armenians on the azerbaijani border. and moscow didn't like it very much, because

they are now fighting on the subject of karabakh, sponsoring their own people from the past, the karabakh clan, revanchists - these are boards, if it is very simplified to say, due to lack of time, armenian realities , they will never take off pashinin under the slogan that he handed over karabakh to azerbaijan, the whole claim of moscow to yerevan looks like you recognized karabakh to azerbaijan, you recognized the territorial integrity of azerbaijan without agreeing it's with moscow over there on the prague playground is there something somewhere that's all suddenly come to them, god forbid it would be out of place now, never kittens here, there are no personal sympathies for me but uh, we are talking about a chair, if the chair is demolished , uh, armenian statehood itself will be called into question. at this stage , and only if another puppet comes there , then belarussianization, joining the union of states , and again russia saves armenia . armenia and we understand this well now can we wish success in these developments really in practice and not only at the level of the latest

slogans regarding the fact that 99.9, as nikol pashinyan said in the defense and security sector from the russian federation, it was a strategic mistake, you understand, well, there is nothing surprising here these are obvious things, the only thing that is surprising is that armenians have already talked about it. that's all. and now what can happen with the russian base in the game, it will be interested. and this is an interesting question. this is one of the points, in my opinion, not the most important . if other processes continue, all the questions will arise now. indeed , the signing of a peace treaty with armenia between armenia and azerbaijan against the background of the reintegration of karabakh, karabas e.e., the population , i do not know how much the lion's share is now , the information is that 5,000 have already moved to armenia in an organized manner, this will be a factor of internal political life for armenia on

which platform will they go to for this signing, moscow will do everything either to delay the signing of this peace agreement by hissing nikola koshenian or to have it signed in moscow eh eh eh not with two signatures eh of the leaders of armenia, balak and yerevan, but with a third with moscow, as somehow there is a good man in these conditions, i can barely imagine how now, no one will go to moscow on call, we will see how events develop, a meeting is being prepared , for example, there is information that aliyev and the kittens are supposed to meet on the fifth of october in a grenade in spain, but the events are so, well, crowded, so uh, it is developing rapidly that i would not give a forecast right now , whether this meeting will finally take place or not regarding the 102nd base, do you understand there uh, well, if there is a real reversal, they need to solve the issue of energy supply, which there, gazprom will take armenia completely depending on moscow , the borders, the normalization of relations with azerbaijan, this is the opening of carbons with

azerbaijan and with turkey, with turkey there are russian e-e from the border guards of the fsb of the russian federation, so i asked if you all of a sudden, you will not take a car from georgia , but a plane, and you will be met by the russian border guards of the fsb at the yerevan airport, and you will be met by the russian border guards of the fsb. and they are infidels. i will simply give examples like this in the anal. that is, if they start turning back from russia, we will all feel it without saying a word . in favor of the armenians because we, for example, also warms my soul and heart there was an interview of nikola pashinin to the public , i already quoted one statement from the roman statute they must now accept and will accept i think the visit of the first lady or the second lady in the parliament there under their hierarchy, and not the captain in kyiv, and all such things are at the level of gestures to travel the mask, that's how it all happens. by the way , there are two maidans in yerovaniya, one under the russian embassy. what is russia against russian

influence on armenia, and there are russian provocateurs in the plan these are processes and not only convinced people. therefore, from sign language, the declaration will be rejected if the armenians move to concrete steps, no matter how much i am a farskeptic here, we can only wish them success. it is interesting, but please tell me what is happening now in yerevan what did you already start talking about? this morning, i read the information that in the morning, i mean, around 11:00, at least 140 people were already detained at the morning rally . this is the situation in armenia itself with these rallies and protest actions . i will say explosive , but how dangerous it is for the arable land and dangerous for armenia, well, look, i will repeat myself now , the unconscious armenians, whose opinion i now rarely broadcast, they understand that even if we all say

yes, the questions have accumulated a lot accumulated a lot of people who never give a damn about armenians now in these conditions of demolition never give a damn about it is not a question of surnames and preferences, it is a question of the destruction of state institutions and er the very existence of the armenian state is endangered, this is armenia they understand further er it all depends on that as a security and defense sector vertical military security forces to what extent they are subordinate never cats now so far well vertical quite stable as we can see forever quite powerful so and so other on the other hand the armenians are fine understand who is financing and organizing these protests, this is robert kocheryan, by the way, his son was detained there for a month, it seems like what forces from the past are even more toxic, let's say yes, total tactical, we can call these forces

pro-russian or not, do you understand how gasoline is definitely they are definitely financed by at least one kremlin power group with no options there according to the fsb. by the way, they changed the so-called elections in hankend on the eve of this counter-terrorist operation. the leadership there, don't get too involved, that is, they moderate where they can reach, you understand where their problem is. they have all the time , what i was talking about, where is the problem of armenia, the entire internal political life of armenia, and the russians looked at it as laboratory conditions , in some places in khabarovsk krai or in voronezh more problems than in armenia itself, that is, it is no secret that pashinyan in the 18th year, definitely relying on the aspirations of the people there, but on the protest on the mass scale, he steered and steered away from various situations of cataclysms having, well, enough

powerful communication on behalf of others. let's say it's a power wing with moscow, now this wing can be said to be a lo-lobby never sags in the kremlin without it, and no way. that's why he has problems with these protests and so on , but on the other side of his the main capital, who is organizing the protests from that side? they are so tactical for the local population that it is possible for him to stand up and say unequivocally that he is standing now . of the organizational core, let's call these people from the past revanchists from the karabakh clan already by uh, a certain network of protest is appearing, that is, students are coming out uh, the core is working uh, there is a lot of finance there and such others, that is, the situation is quite difficult to never, to ever keep her from the other side, how i see the situation russia god forbid of course russia will lose the armenians even

if it comes to the most excavating scenario of removing pashinyan there now according to the example of 1999, they want to draw frontal parallels but also such the scenarios are being heard now regarding the firm of the future very strongly very little time and i have one last question to conclude very briefly please tell armenia, yes, yes, yes, we are now observing the implementation of these attempts. i'm just wondering if this information could have been exactly what he stated, or were they facts, or did he manipulate the facts? was it just fear of losing his position, for example, he is a player no one poshinyan player he after the 20th year after 10 seconds volodymyr without exaggeration of the national disaster of the armenians floated this may be an element of the mane it

is true that crimea is really demolishing now no one pate i thank you very much mr. volodymyr thank you for participating in today's program volodymyr kopchak head of the south -caucasian branch of the center for the study of army conversion and disarmament spoke with him about what is currently happening in the relations between armenia and azerbaijan and the return of karabakh to azerbaijan on i am forced to end this today , see you next week at the usual time on monday on the espresso tv channel , do not switch now, the broadcast continues