on the air of the tv channel and on our platforms in social networks, keep watching us, i wish you all the best, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye. greetings, on the air of bbc ukraine, studio in london jafer umerov. today in the program we talk about the consequences of the conflict in nagorno-karabakh, and why russia decided not to intervene. refugees from the mountains. karabakh is leaving for armenia, when azerbaijan took the region under its control. the last karabakh war lasted a little more than a day and led to the surrender of the unrecognized republic, neither the kremlin nor russian peacekeepers did not prevent this. and refugees from nagorno-karabakh began arriving in armenia after the latest escalation of the conflict. more than 600

people have already crossed the border, while 120,000 ethnic armenians live in the region. armenian authorities expect the number of refugees to rise as azerbaijan tightens its grip on the territory, and fears ethnic cleansing could begin there. however, the azerbaijani authorities have stated that they want to reintegrate ethnic armenians as equal citizens. the conflict in this region is considered one of the longest in the world in... nagorno-karabakh, it is an internationally recognized part of azerbaijan, but for the past three decades, the region has been controlled by ethnic armenians, and the azerbaijani army has allowed journalists into nagorno-karabakh for the first time since the september escalation began. as guests of the azerbaijani army, we entered a region that has been cut off from the world since the beginning of the recent hostilities, there is no trace of civilians here, only ... a reminder of the fighting. this is shusha,

a key azerbaijani stronghold from 2020. we are led to the observation deck, from where there is a view of stepana kert. the armenians of karabakh have called this city their capital for the past 30 years, but now it is surrounded by the azerbaijani army. this is a weapon captured from the opposite side. we are shown armored vehicles and ammunition that the karabakh armenians surrendered. it seems that azerbaijan is trying to show that it is a victim of this conflict, and their actions are only a response to the provocations of karabakh armenians, whom they call separatists. this is the end of our excursion, we were not allowed to go any further. then, as over 100,000 people still do cannot leave the territory of nagorno- karabakh, this is what we managed to find out.

olga, congratulations, thank you for contacting me. today, even the residents of stepan kert are left without food. it is very difficult for everyone. all of stepananart, all of our country, is a solid camp for refugees. we still do not know how many people are missing, as well as how many were killed and wounded. last night, hundreds of karabakh armenians were able to leave. they arrive in armenia. children, elderly people. speaking to her bbc camera crew, one of the refugees said: the evacuation has started and will continue further. and this is a military cemetery in the capital of azerbaijan, where those who died during the conflict are commemorated. this family recently buried their son, valiullo, he was 29. he is not dead, he is a hero to us. can

we make peace with the armenians? of course we don't have to fight forever, after all we have to learn to live peacefully together, i just wish this war didn't take so many lives. and while more and more new graves appear on both sides, the question arises, how long will the truce last, when there are so many victims? it seems that peace is possible only on the condition that both sides are ready to learn from the pain experienced. and the day before, in his address to the people, armenian prime minister nikol pashinyan said that the country's government is trying to develop international mechanisms to ensure the rights and security of nagorno-karabakh. more about refugees, says bbc correspondent nataliya zotova, who visited the border between armenia and nagorno- karabakh. now we are in the city of kornidzor, which is right on the border between armenia and nagorno- karabakh. you can see how the refugees are heading to

armenia, here in this tent they are being registered, people are fleeing with their belongings, some say they have no hope of returning home, it is believed that almost three... thousand armenian refugees have arrived from nagorno-karabakh to armenia and many more are expected. pashinyan said that of course armenia will accept all these refugees, but it is still not clear where they will be placed and how they will be provided. it is known that there are refugees in azerbaijan who in turn left karabakh 30 years ago, they have been living in temporary and often unsuitable conditions for decades. azerbaijan promises not to use force. against civilians and respect the rights of ethnic armenians living in the region. the problem is lack of trust. armenians do not believe that they will feel safe under the rule of azerbaijan. that is why they leave their homes. and how is the situation

perceived in armenia? demonstrations demanding the resignation of prime minister nikol pashinyan, who in turn blames russia, continue in the capital yerevan. said. kva is not doing enough to protect the armenian population of nagorno-karabakh with details from yerevan bbc correspondent kastra nadzhi. i'm standing on the main square of yerevan, the capital of armenia. behind me are police and special forces guarding the building that houses the country's government and prime minister nikolay pashinyan's office. he is criticized for allegedly not doing enough to protect nagorno- karabakh. we witnessed huge demonstrations that have been going on for several days in a row. there were approximately 10,000 people here last night calling for the prime minister to resign. the fact is that people here are very concerned about the state of security armenian karabakh. and also the fact that tens

of thousands are apparently heading here, and people are not sure that armenia, the government, is ready to accept so many refugees. the authorities reject this criticism. yesterday, prime minister nikola pashinyan: speaking on television, they actually accuse russia of not doing enough. it should not be forgotten that about two thousand russian soldiers are based in karabakh, their task was to protect this enclave and the local armenians. and they, it seems, were looking at another battle at the time when the azerbaijani troops entered there and occupied almost the entire enclave. according to the latest reports, they have not yet taken the city of stepanart, which is the capital of karabakh. and that is why, as reported, armenians are coming there. from other regions, and of course, many people are leaving the region, and we are in touch with oleksiy melnyk, head of foreign policy and international security programs at the razumkov center. i congratulate you, here is why

russia decided not to intervene in this stage of the conflict in nagorno-karabakh and what will happen to the russian peacekeepers. i congratulate you, thank you, in my opinion, russia, even if it wanted to fight now, it does not have enough strength, to do this, i am not saying, in a military sense, but also, if russia wanted to be diplomatic now, it has already lost the role of mediator that it could play back in the 20th year, so can we talk about the end of russian influence in the southern caucasus, i think it is premature, if we are talking about influence, then, well, to put it this way, it can be both positive and negative, so i do not know how much russia can positively

influence the situation, but the that russia influenced, influences and continues to influence negatively, i.e. creating crisis situations, for example. now it seems to me that one of the goals pursued not by russia, but personally, is to punish pashinyan for his rigid behavior, for his statements, both recent and those that were, say, after he came to power, or during his coming to power, the way , which he came to power, that is, for putin, it is possible that these are personal eyes, insults against pashinyan, they may be, or he has become higher than russian national interests in this, so we can definitely say that russia will try to have a destructive effect on the caucasian region, and in general, what will happen next to nagorno-karabakh?

well, that's a good question, i don't know what will happen next with nagorno-karabakh, but you can try to predict certainty if baku keeps its promises, that is, now from the position of the winner, the winner, they will try their best, so to speak, behave nobly, that is, avoid coercing the armenians whether there is discrimination, any massacres that may occur, that is, such cases may depend on how the authorities will react to it, sometimes we can hope that some elements, at least trust will be restored, let's hope, if we can hope that the international together.

will be more actively included in these processes of post-conflict settlement, and also, if we talk about what may happen in the future in burma itself, now it will depend on the extent to which the authorities will be able to, let's say, communicate, firstly, this decision , not intervention. to the war, as far as they can prove, or at least convince a part of society that it was more or less the only the right way out, and i would also like to say that quite often we try to look through the prism of our conflict or look for other parallels, in this case it seems to me, well at least from my personal experience, that it is very similar to the situation that was in croatia, on the territory of slavonia, where the city of vukovar is central, may be known to many

listeners, that is, there was a rather similar situation there after the successful operation of croatia and with the local serbs, many of whom decided to stay there. but what can you expect from pashinyan's meeting with aliyev next week in spain, can they sign peace, do you think? i think that there is such a possibility, since, well, now it is a classic situation, in the resolution of conflicts, when one of the parties received a convincing defeat, that is, the position of pashinyan, or armenia, is now extremely weak, so he will obviously be ready for any, well not to any, but to very big compromises, again somewhere looking back at the possible reaction from inside the country, here, but i think that what is the probability,

if not during the first meeting, then it is possible in the next meetings, in the presence of mediators, guarantors of the implementation of agreements on both sides, the parties, yes, in my opinion, such a prospect is quite high, and do you think that i will stop there, because they say about another goal of aliyev, which is to create this transangezur corridor to the azerbaijani exclave through armenia. it would be quite a risky decision, if he dares to do this, because until this moment , azerbaijan has vacated the ownership of its territories, if he dares to break through this corridor, so...' that is, it will already be be seen as an act of aggression, it is not excluded that it can also be done in today's situation

, it can get away with impunity, let's say without a big reaction from the international community, but i think that he should consider some other options, so that the same corridor can be made in a different way, without forceful intervention. thank you, oleksiy melnyk, head of foreign policy and international security programs at the razumkov center. and that 's all for today, look for more stories on our website bbc.ua and on our pages at social networks, and we will be on the air again tomorrow at 9 p.m. keep yourselves.

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the future right now are the main and interesting thing in the verdict by serhii rudenko program. from monday. on friday at 20:00, repeat at 12:10. my greetings, this is svoboda live, my name is vlasta lazur and i'm on the show today. american abrams tanks are already in ukraine, what this changes for the russian line of defense, about this, as well as about putin's new military plan for the fall, literally in a minute. in an interview with radio liberty, the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, ruslan stefanchuk, expressed doubts that the necessary votes will be found in the parliament to ban the activities of the uocp. the opposition calls on the speaker not to hesitate, to bring such projects to a vote. let's talk about why stefanchuk is delaying and whether it is possible to ban the moscow patriarchate in ukraine without risking a split in society. well, in the kyiv court of appeal

court, now there was an appeal regarding the preventive measure against ihor kolomoiskyi. managers and tv presenters of tv channel 1.1 natalya mosiychuk, alla mazur, yuriy gorbunov, as well as the former minister of culture oleksandr tkachenko came to the court, they said that they are ready to take kolomoisky on bail, what all this means, we will discuss today in svoboda live. another attack on odesa, the russian military again attacked the port infrastructure of the region, at the same time they used drones, mines, rockets. sea-based and supersonic onyx, as a result, destroyed the visit odesa card, sea station and odesa hotel. information immediately began to spread in the pro-russian public that the headquarters of the ukrainian navy was allegedly destroyed by this strike. however , the ukrainian command denies this, and the station and the hotel have not been working for the past few years, but the port infrastructure

has been destroyed. onyx missiles hit a granary, killing two people there. one more person was injured as a result of falling debris. we usually shoot down missiles that come in from the sea, and it has less consequences, using such a terrorist and... tactics, the enemy purposefully tried to cause maximum damage even with the effective operation of air defense forces, and it was really effective , since all 9 out of 19 shaheds were destroyed, out of 12 calibers, 11 calibers were destroyed, onyx is a characteristic supersonic and anti-ship weapon that moves on a specific course and shooting them down is extremely difficult, that's why they hit, hit the granary of the port infrastructure, where it has already become known,

two employees died, unfortunately. well, this weekend at the border to ukraine, many explosions were recorded in the regions of russia, in particular in the bilhorsk, bryansk and kursk regions. in kursk, because of the explosions yesterday, they even canceled the salute to the day of the city. let's see how the russian ministry of defense reacted and exactly where the hits were. on the morning of september 24 , explosions rang out in the russian city of kursk, and were recorded by video surveillance cameras in the city. after loud explosions, locals saw clouds of smoke rising over the city. the governor of the kursk region, roman starovoyd, announced on his telegram page. what is the reason explosion is an attack by a ukrainian drone on an administrative building, allegedly causing minor damage to the roof there. later, in local chat rooms

, residents of kursk began to write about the fact that the regional office of the fsb of russia had come under attack. meanwhile, the russian ministry of defense reported on the alleged successful downing of ukrainian drones in the sky over the kursk region, but the ukrainian media, citing their sources and russian telegram channels , wrote that there were two targets under...' such kursk: the building of the local fsb administration and halino airfield. the source of the publication is ukrainian the truth in the main intelligence office assured the journalists that the attacks were successful. according to gur, a drone attacked the premises where the leadership of the 14th guards fighter aviation regiment named after imeni zhdanov was located at the airfield. there are dead and wounded. the russian authorities have not yet commented on this information. already this morning, september 25, the russian ministry of defense reported the destruction of one drone over bilhorsk region, three

over kursk and three more over bryansk, and moscow airports did not receive planes. also today, explosions rang out in the occupied area in krasnodon, in the luhansk region, the local media write that the youth detonate the bka warehouse in the district plant. also today, the ukrainian special operations forces updated information on the results of the special operation in the occupied crimea. we are talking about

the defeat of the headquarters of the black sea fleet of the russian federation and the destruction of the amphibious assault ship minsk. given the fact that the large amphibious assault ship minsk was to go on combat duty the next day, the personnel was present on the ship. irreversible losses amounted to 62 occupants. after defeating the headquarters of the russian black sea fleet. federation 34 officers were killed, including the fleet commander, and another 105 occupiers were wounded. the headquarters building cannot be restored. let me remind you that on september 13, explosions rang out in sevastopol. the main intelligence agency said that the submarine rostov-na and the large amphibious assault ship minsk were damaged as a result of the ukrainian attack. and on september 22, the building of the russian black sea fleet in sevastopol came under attack. the ministry of defense of russia then announced the disappearance of one russian military officer. olga armyanyshina, radio liberty. well, now to

the president of the front. russia's vladimir putin could give defense minister sergei shoigu a deadline until early october 23rd to improve the situation on the front line, stop ukrainian counteroffensives, and return the initiative to russian troops to launch an offensive operation. this is the assumption made by the american institute for the study of war. the russian military command may be ordering relentless counterattacks in the hope of forcing the ukrainian counteroffensive to reach an even higher climax. at a cost to russia's military potential, say analysts. also, the institute for the study of war notes that it is possible that putin ordered the russian military command to hold all of russia's initial defensive positions in order to create the illusion that ukrainian counterattacks had no tactical or operational effect, despite significant support for the measure. according to the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, i will remind you, the defense forces are currently conducting offensive operations

and offensive actions in the melitopol direction. on bakhmutskyi, and meanwhile the first american- made abrams tanks are already in ukraine, about that was first written by the new york times with reference to sources in the pentagon, and later confirmed by volodymyr zelenskyi. interlocutors with the new york times did not specify exactly how many arrived, but said that it was the first units of armored vehicles that were previously promised to kyiv. i will remind you that the usa at least promised to transfer 31 abrams tanks, which is one tank battalion in the ukrainian army. well , oleksiy hetman, military analyst, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, joins our broadcast. good evening. good evening. let's talk about tanks first, but today volodymyr zelenskyi confirmed that there are the first tanks in ukraine. what effect will the american abrams tanks have for the front, how can they, if they can change the situation, and will their appearance somehow affect the offensive? the appearance will affect the essence.

they can hardly change the situation in such numbers, let's be grateful to our partners, especially the united states, which is our most powerful partner, supplying us with the necessary weapons, but one battalion on the battlefield, on the front line of more than 1000 km, well it is unlikely that i can fundamentally change anything, let's be realistic, this does not mean that we do not need these tanks, here we can refer to the head of our main intelligence department, general budanov, who said that these tanks will have to be used in specific operations and very, very carefully considering their power, they weigh 75 tons and considering that there are not many of them, so they will be useful more for some individual assault or offensive, well, operations that are as simple as a line unit, in the offensive somewhere i think no one will distribute them along the entire front line, so it is good that they are.

but this does not mean that they will decide the outcome, the outcome of the war, well let's be, again, be realistic, this does not mean that we should be ungrateful, no, we should be grateful, but well, in order to understand how much a lot or a little, well, someone can say a lot, someone can say a little , we often compare ours and this war, well, we do not compare, but give examples from the war, which was a storm in the desert, when saddam hussein was squeezed out of his skin, and continued to break his troops, abrams tanks were also used there in the desert storm, only there were a little more of them, there were not 31 units, but 3,113, 2,400, armored bradley vehicles, and before the start of the ground operation, which

was already called the sword of the desert, in addition to... shells, 280 greek tamagkas were fired, which caused substantial damage to saddam hussein, i would like to say right away that saddam hussein's troops had approximately the same number of manpower and equipment as the russian federation currently has in ours, in the russian-ukrainian war, so let the people who watch and listen to us draw a conclusion for themselves, whether 31 tanks are more or less, 3113. i will only add that, at least from what the media write, it will not even be, at least as of now 31 tanks, it will be less, well at least it was said that the usa, so far some of these promised tanks have arrived in ukraine, so it is even less, it doesn’t matter, it ’s good, they, they will be ready, they, it’s good , a powerful technique, but you know, sometimes our partners are offended that we are not them very grateful, we are very grateful to them, but come on.