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and forecasts, politics and geopolitics, serhii rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this, people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future already now, the main and interesting thing in the program verdict by serhii rudenko, from monday on fridays at 8:00 p.m., repeat at 12:10 p.m. during the war returned to the air of the tv channel after a commercial break in order to to talk with another guest about something else, in particular about what is happening in the south caucasus and what may be there, i am joined by volodymyr kopchak, head of the south caucasus branch of the center for the study of the army, conversion and disarmament, mr. volodymyr, glory to ukraine, thank you very much , who joined, kudos to the heroes, i am glad to meet again, mr. volodymyr, well

, please tell me, this is a question that probably interests me most, in this situation the most, can we say that azerbaijan is finally able to return karabakh? yes of course, directly, during our conversation, azerbaijan is now physically engaged in bringing as close as possible the moment when the so-called republic, not only deyura, but de facto on the ground, will become the karabakh economic zone azerbaijan, directly in these at this moment are going relevant processes. in my superstitious coordinate system, for me the final solution to this issue will be after the flag of azerbaijan in khankend, this will happen in the near future, i think, and the main moment when the last russian peacekeeper will leave the territory

karabakh read azerbaijan. it is more difficult here, because, first of all, azerbaijan , which is doomed to work, lead, liberate territories, conduct a counter-terrorist operation, is now, well, in some communication with russian peacekeepers, and baku makes it clear that in this bargaining system, it will not pedal the issue to the end 20th, 25th year. regarding the withdrawal of russian peacekeepers, this is written in the night paper based on the results of the 44-day war in november of the 20th year, but another thing is that baku also makes it clear that it should be extended after the 25th year, he is not going to join the russian military, well, it loses its meaning, if the issue of the full integration of the region is resolved , de facto, i emphasize, well, the structures are all azerbaijan, that is, look, you are also saying what i read about,

maybe you will now confirm even more, that is the information was that the official baku could cooperate, and you say this, with the russian so-called peacekeepers, and that moscow even gave some certain information, in particular, about the coordinates of the concentration of military groups on the territory of karabakh, and this could help precisely during the anti-terrorist operation, mr. volodymyr, if it was so, then it turns out that moscow really woke up armenia, let 's do it this way, step by step, well, the conditions are like this after the 44-day war, that is, one of the results, apart from the undeniable the victory of azerbaijan in that phase of the war, as i call it for karabakh, now they say the third phase, the fifth, they carry, we all see, was a condition for the placement of russian troops on the territory of azerbaijan in karabakh. therefore, there are no options

in the current conditions without communication, be that as it may it didn't sound offensive to anyone and liked it, didn't like it, without communication with the so-called rmk. without certain negotiations, pressure on them, whatever, in principle, any military operation of azerbaijan is impossible by definition, maybe i will say generally seditious things now, and coordination with the russians, if we take for granted that there was already a non-escalation option impossible, then from the escalation scenarios, now you are showing the footage, i will return to them, it was the most optimal from the point of view of minimizing losses as a peaceful population and so-called combatants. e from illegal armed armenian formations on the territory of karabakh. next, regarding her transfer of coordinates by the russians, well, i don't quite agree with that here, why? well, there tvd is like that and azerbaijan has such intelligence capabilities, there all these positions

were visible through binoculars, there was no need to transmit anything, on the other hand, what was the communication, well , listen, these illegal armed formations from the 20th year, how the russians entered there, they were fully operational. subordination the command of the rmk, not armenia, the armenian general staff, despite the fact that armenia maintains these troops, money was transferred there, the entire budget of the so-called no longer existing nkr, it was supported by armenia, but under operational control, they carried cartridges and shells from position to position the escorting of russian convoys, peacekeepers and so on, this annoyed azerbaijan very much and because of this the checkpoint appeared, because azerbaijan repressed, this was not in the agreement. he just pushed and there were problems with the russians, so now it's not about the transfer of coordinates, but what the russians informed, believe me, even through their channels, their subordinates, if you will, in positions, that there will be one, two, three, and i do not think that this is bad, because those personnel, even as you are now showing, there is an infrastructure ,

positions, equipment, even the equipment of the pppo was being destroyed, that's good, but there was practically no personnel there, and now there are a lot of flows, misinformation. different ideas, i would not like to speculate, but on the topic of casualties and civilians, this one, but believe me, they, well, everything could have been much worse, let's call it that, and well such are our realities and even under such conditions of moderation, pay attention, it did not happen without failures, without disruptions, according to various sources, six russian, so-called peacekeepers, two deputy commanders among them, of this russian rmk were killed in a firefight, azerbaijan admitted that this we. the azerbaijanis have already apologized, they have left, and so on, there is unconfirmed information that two more were shot, actually armenians, and here the events will develop very interestingly, it is not a fact that they will tell us about it, but russia will definitely ask for an indulgence, for will die own peacekeepers, and this is already almost

inconsistent, the azerbaijani expert environment does not always publicly say that the situation with the downed russian helicopter is very similar. there, literally at the end of the 44-day war, as a certain case of beli, so that azerbaijan, well , let’s say this , was more conciliatory. the deputy of some flotilla of underwater helmsmen, that is, the russian federation, there he was on in the resort, i probably made money, and we had one, mm, do you remember a submarine in the steppes of ukraine, now a submariner died in the mountains of karabakh, i just wanted to ask you, and what kind of submarine was there, but you know , he is this zampolite, zampolite, he is a deputy from

what is it called in our country, i don’t remember, some kind of socially educational work there in ukrainian realities, the zampolite deputy was with the ampolite , he was definitely on the flotilla, and here was one of the deputies, and it is recognized and you can uh, to imagine the level of non-public communication, you have to have sides affairs with moscow, because this is to some extent a precedent, and that the russians will roll out there in the future , well, as is the case with the classics, their concepts are wise, but they may ask that the military base that is now left after the 25th year is sidelined , there may be other issues regarding the restoration of the order to receive financial things in the same karabakh, that is, they will roll something out, well, we will see, not everything is smooth, even in such and such, in such moderation and in such relations, but the main issue is that that azerbaijan really sets a precedent in the post-soviet space

for other countries on the de-occupation of their own territories, that is, regarding the restoration of justice, this is true, but if we go down to the details, then it is not true at all, because other countries, well, not armenia, were directly attacked and russia did not act through armenia regarding the occupation of moldova , georgia, ukraine and so on. of course, but look, i also asked you about whether or not putin was going to armenia at that time, because, look, well, i don’t... i don’t consider such a question relevant, why, because in relations between russia and by whom, they are on anyone, on any the country of the post-soviet space is viewed as a client, and what is there, well, bismarck from that world says that he did not say such a thing, but there is a famous phrase that any agreement with the russian federation is not worth the paper on which it is signed, well this is now understood by virmen, all i can say is when, when she actually left virmen. what do we mean now, when formally, having views of

azerbaijan, georgia, and virvenia , all of this iron transcaucasia, in their logic , they still call it imperial, although for rosttov said we were from here, from the south caucasus, that is, nothing has changed here, they now surrendered to armenia, or when in 1999 the whole world of armenian politics and geopolitics was shot in the parliament and the karabakh clan was brought to power, which in 20 years on paper, anywhere on earth, armenia is a client of the russian federation, and now, look, it’s an interesting moment to talk about, during the last escalation in karabakh, there was absolute silence on the avimen-azerbaijani border, and moscow didn’t like it very much, because the subject of karabakh they are now on the maidan, sponsoring their people from the past, the karabakh clan, revanchists, these are the dashnaks, there, to put it very simply, due to lack of time in armenian realities, they swept under the slogan that he handed over karabakh to azerbaijan.

moscow's entire claim to yevan looks like the fact that you recognized karabakh as azerbaijan, you recognized the territorial integrity without agreeing with moscow, there on the prague square or somewhere else, that's all, suddenly they have, god forbid, it would be possible to sweep nikola there now pashenian, there are no i have personal sympathies there, but we are talking about a chair, if the chair is demolished , armenian statehood will be called into question at this stage and only if another puppet comes there, then belarusianization, joining the union of states and russia saves armenia again , this is well understood by the armenians now, we can wish them success in practice, and not only at the level of the latest slogans, regarding the fact that 99.9, as nikol pashinyan said, dependence in the defense and security sector on the russian federation , it was strategic a mistake, you understand, well, there is nothing strange here, these are obvious things, the only thing that is surprising is that

even vermeni has already started talking about it, that's all, and now what can happen to the russian base of gemri, it will be and this is interesting, this is interesting question, this is one of the moments, in my opinion, not the most significant, if other processes proceed, everyone, now the question will really arise of signing a peace treaty, between armenia and azerbaijan, against the background of... the integration of karabakh, the karabakh population, i don't know to what extent the lion's share of it, now there is information that 500 have already moved to armenia in an organized manner, this will be a factor in the internal political life of armenia, on which platform they will go to this signing, moscow will do everything, either to delay the signing of this peace agreement, shaking nikol pashinyan, or to have it signed in moscow, er, not from two signatures, leaders. in armenia, baku and yerevan, and with the third with moscow as some sort of guarantor there, under these conditions, i can hardly imagine

how nikol pashinyan will now go to moscow on summons, we will see how events develop, now a meeting is being prepared, for example, there is information that aliyev and pashinyan are supposed to meet on october 5 in granada, spain, but events are so, well, boring, so rapidly developing that i am... right now i would not give a prediction that this will finally happen the meeting or not, regarding the 102nd base, you understand, there , well, if there is a real reversal, they have to solve the issue of energy supply, which gazprom of armenia is completely dependent on moscow, borders, normalization of relations with azerbaijan - this is the opening of borders with the russian border guards of the fsb of the russian federation are standing by azerbaijan and turkey and turkey.

if you are suddenly not by car from georgia, but take a plane to zvarnots, the yerevan airport, you will be met by a russian border guard of the fsb, not an armenian, these are the examples i give, simple banal ones, that is, there if they start turning around, well return from russia, we will all feel it, not to mention armenia, because we, for example, also warms my heart and soul, there was an interview with nikol pashinyan. i have already quoted one statement, the roman statute they should now accept and will accept, it seems to me in the parliament, the visit of the first lady or the second there according to their hierarchy annikan in kyiv. all these things, at the level of gestures to tease moscow, this is how all this happens, by the way , there are two maidans in yerevan, one under the russian embassy, ​​which is against russian influence, in armenia, and there russian provocateurs are heating up these processes in terms of chaos, and not only convinced people, therefore, from the language of gestures, from the language of declarations, if the armenians move to

concrete steps, no matter how long i am here nafarskeptic, we can only... wish you success, it is interesting, but please tell me what is happening now in yerevan, which you have already started talking about, this morning i read the information that in the morning, i mean, somewhere at 11 o'clock it was that at least 140 people were already detained at the morning rally, that's the situation in armenia itself with these rallies, protest actions, how dangerous is it, well, i won't say the explosion is dangerous, but how dangerous it is for pashinyan and threatened well look, i'll repeat myself now the armenians are awake, whose opinion i am relaying now, they understand that with all, let's say, questions, they, they have accumulated a lot, a lot has accumulated before nikol pashenian , vermen proper, now in these conditions of the demolition of nikol pashenian, it is not a question of the surname and preferences, this is a question

of the destruction of state institutions, and the armenian state itself is endangered, the armenians understand this, further, everything will depend on how the security and defense sector, the vertical, the military, the security forces, to what extent they are subordinate to nikola pashinyan, for now, the vertical is quite stable, as we can see, the wind is quite powerful and so on, on the other hand, the armenians perfectly understand who is behind the financing and organizational resource of these protests, it is robert kocharyan, by the way, his son was detained there. per month, it seems that there are forces from the past that are even more toxic, let's say, totally toxic, and can we call these forces pro-russian or not? you will understand how bengenu, definitely, definitely they are financed by one, at least one kremlin power group, without options,

over there at the fsb, by the way, they changed because of the so-called elections in hankend, on the eve of this counter-terrorist operation, they changed the leadership there, don’t get too involved, that is , they moderate where they can reach, you understand where their problem is, they have it all the time, what i was talking about, where is the problem of armenia, the entire domestic political life in armenia, the russians looked at it as laboratory conditions, in some places they had more problems in the khabarovsk region or in voronezh than in armenia itself, that is, it is not a secret, that nicole in the 18th year, pashinyan, while definitely relying on the aspirations of the people, on the protest , on the masses, he steered and steered away from various situations, cataclysms, having, well, quite powerful communication on the other, let’s say, power wing with moscow, now this wing can be said yes, it is the lobby that never sags in the kremlin, without it there is no way either, that is why it has problems with these protests and so on, but on the other hand, its main capital, which on the other hand, is who organizes these

protests , they are so toxic to the local population that he gets away with it to stand, to say unequivocally that he is standing now, i would not do it, because , for example, the topic of the loss of karabakh is really painful for armenians, except for the organizational core, let's call it that, these people from the past, revanchists from the karabakh clan, already from yes, let's say a certain network of the protest, i.e. students are coming out, the orkhedro is working, there is a lot of finance and so on, i.e. the situation is difficult enough for nikola, for nikola pashinyan... to hold it, on the other hand, i, as i see the situation, russia , god forbid, of course, russia will lose armenia, even if it comes to the most, shall we say, escalating scenario of pashinyan's removal, there is now, well, according to the example of 1999, i don't want to draw direct parallels, but such scenarios are also being heard now in relation to very little,

very little time, and in i have one last question, conclusion. but very briefly, please tell me, and this information , which was voiced by pashinyan himself, that he has data about russia's preparations for a coup d'état, it may be true, but very briefly, in armenia, yes, yes, the implementation of these attempts we now i will observe it, but i simply could this information be exactly what he was stating, or were these facts, well , did he lie with the facts, or was it simply a fear of, before losing, for example, a position, well, he is a player , never the player, he after the 20th year, after, paneda, without exaggeration, the national catastrophe of armenia surfaced, it may be an element of the game, but it is true that the cream is really wearing off now nikola pashinyan, i thank you very much, i thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, thank you for participating in

today's program, volodymyr kobchak, head of the south caucasian branch of the army, conversion and disarmament research center, spoke with him about what is currently happening in relations, armenia, azerbaijan and the return of karabakh to azerbaijan, i have to end today with this, we will meet next week at the usual time on monday, on the air of the tv channel, don't wash it now. the broadcast continues, the child caught the virus, mother vera has faith in dekasan, inhaled dekasan enters the lungs, where the dekasan virus works, mother vera is happy, dekasan is inhaled against viruses and bacteria, dekasan - inhalation antiseptic, there are discounts on amiks. 10% at podorozhnyk bam and oskad pharmacies. there are 10% discounts on volvit in pharmacies podorozhnyy vam and oshchad. no matter what the ukrainians think about,

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exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front, svoboda life frankly and impartially, you draw your own conclusions. congratulations, we received very encouraging news about ten-year-old liza galushko, who disappeared on february 24, 2022 in novaya kakhovka, kherson region. a woman contacted the children's search service and said that she saw our program about the search for liza galushko and recognized the girl. this girl, this lisa, this face, these eyes, this, i am sure that this is this child. said that in the spring of 2022 she was a volunteer at the red cross in barcelona and helped register refugees from ukraine. the woman says that there was one among the refugees

ten-year-old liza galushko. and definitely lisa, and definitely this blonde, these eyes, this is her , this is this child, it was either march or april, because they were still in their jackets. mrs. liana said that the girl came to barcelona from the kherson region with her parents. however, they allegedly said that lisa was adopted and they call her not lisa, but veronika, although the girl's documents allegedly indicated lisa's name. i say: "baby, you. here like how this woman heard that i called her lisa, she jumped from this chair she runs up, runs up to me, and pounces like that and says that we call her veronika, they speak russian, we call her veronika, she is adopted, she does not know her name. mrs. liana says that then the girl, very similar to liza galushko, together with the adults who were with her,

were registered as refugees in spain, but their whereabouts are unknown now. they are most likely in spanish territory because they received the refugee program and were distributed further throughout the territory spain, but it is also not forbidden for them to leave with those documents to another state. after receiving the information from ms. lianna, we in turn contacted our colleagues from the international federation of missing children europe. who should make a request to the spanish police, we hope that this way we will be able to find out if the girl the witness told us about is really lisa galushko and most importantly, where she is now. but of course, as mrs. liana said, the girl may not be in spain anymore, in any european country. so please remember or write down this number 11630. this is the only european hotline for missing children that works in 28 european countries, so if you

are in one of the european countries and suddenly see a girl who looks like lisa galushko, immediately report to the short number 116: 30. we are also looking for 15-year-old yulia kurbel, who disappeared in lughan region in the city of severo-donetsk. yuli's friend turned to us for help, the girl did not want to talk on camera, but in a private conversation she told some details that could become important in the search. so it is known that when the war started, yulia first made herself known, but in march 2022, when severe shelling began in severonetsk, the connection with the girl was cut off, and since then, unfortunately, there is no news about her. we also know the exact address where yulia kurbel lived, tseverodonetsk, gagarina street 117, here is the actual photo of the house where yulia lived, now i am primarily addressing the residents of occupied north donetsk, if you happen

to see this program, please... if possible, come to gagarin 117a and ask the residents of this building about 15-year-old yulia kurbel, whether she still lives there or where and with whom she may be now. if you know anything about the fate of yulia kurbel, please contact us immediately on the free hotline of the children's tracing service at the short number 1163. and finally, please go to the website of the children's tracing service. if you are someone. do not remain indifferent and inform us on the hotline 11630 or in the chatbot of the children's search service in telegram. we have created a resource through which you can report any crime against the child in any place, at any time. just go to the site and report, and we will launch all possible mechanisms to punish the criminal. stopcrime ua.

it's 7 a.m. on the clock, it's news time on the espresso tv channel, khrystyna parubiy is working in the studio. oleksandr vilkul, head of the city's defense council, reported on the explosion in kryvyi rih. details on this. has not provided yet. the russian occupiers hit mykolaiv in the evening, the mayor oleksandr sinkevich reported about the hit and called on the residents not to post the video from the scene. according to him, everyone they know where they are aiming. and one man was wounded in kherson. muscovites targeted one of the city's markets - they notified the state market.