what should be the future plan for ukraine, including in the north atlantic alliance, but here is what has been said and heard over the last week, because zelsky spoke at different stands, from different stands. is it clear, this is the future in the articulation of the ukrainian government, and there was a summit in vilnius, now we are already at the end of october, that is, where and in what way are we going now and are we going to nato, are we not going to nato, they are waiting for us there, are they not waiting, in your opinion, are the efforts of ukrainian diplomacy sufficient now ? for the supreme commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, in order to somehow speed up this plan, ukraine's accession to nato, or from the washington summit, we have nothing to wait for, everything depends on us, the ball, strangely enough, everything - still on ours.

on our side, although this decision seems to no longer depend on us now, but on the political positions of nato countries, first of all the usa, i really hope that all this was discussed, but there is a program that must be carried out in ukraine so that anyone from the nato countries did not tell us that something was wrong with us ready, and i have some doubts about this program, because i see that there is no such activity as it is, for example, in the direction of european integration, specific decisions of the parliament or the government, that is, the political will to give some impulse, there is still such a thing, you know, the popular impulse, that is lobbying, somewhere politically to coordinate all this, as it was , for example, with visa-free reception, or european integration, that is the opening of the negotiation process, there is no such thing here, we rely on the fact that it somehow get wet, that

russia will weaken, nato, become some more... and eventually make this decision, well, i think this is a wrong strategy, and relying on the plan b that was announced earlier, these bilateral agreements, where the level of support and weapons and joint production, it goes on without agreements, even, but we do not have a defense agreement, an alliance agreement, without this ukraine will not be able to develop, we will not be able to receive investments, we will not be able to place... closer than, well, it is 200 km to border, i hope, at least, i'm not talking about what for now and to the border, unfortunately, it is not possible to go out, but it will happen later, therefore, without a security umbrella , there will be nothing beneficial for ukraine, and during the second world war, these issues were discussed several years before the end, and here we have so far, we are working as if without coleas, so i think...

president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy raises these issues at internal meetings, and washington in particular has not become an exception, i have no doubt. the position on the peace formula is constantly maintained, it is declared, we do not have anything new from our partners heard, but i am a little worried that they could help us more as a future member of nato, if you already think that the question is only about ending the war, as it was declared. well, get out, at least put it on the borders with russia, draw russian attention a little, through training on the perimeter, this is what prevents you, this, and why can’t this be done, it’s about the security of europe, and the black sea, why couldn’t it be earlier to do what is just beginning now, gradually, romania, bulgaria got involved a little there and are already showing russia, which cannot be casinized, cannot be in a waiting position, nato must understand...

that this alliance is responsible , including for what is happening on its borders, if it will only sit and count whether that missile arrived motivated , whether they say, purposefully or not purposefully, then they will fly to brussels , and they will sit in their office and think about whether it is purposeful, well, i say this a little cynically and simplified, but nato was created to contain the soviet union, that is well known , you take a look even the types of weapons that russia has, and there are inherited from the soviet union, and nato standards, they are against each other, what is called prepared, all specialists know this, that is why armor, armor thickness, there are shells, the type of shells, all types of weapons , everything was done that way, that is why putin actually completes, if he wants to complete, not what to complete, to jump into the last wagon of this... the stand of the great ussr, including other

territories, against the nato countries, and he does it by soviet methods, and nato cannot respond adequately because on the one hand they have already moved into a new era and for them they did not prepare for such a war, but on the other hand, well, i think that they did not think about their preventive actions in a more purposeful way, so in principle, it is not actually proto, it is about and it is not about ukraine, it is about how to counteract the violation of the world order and the rules of international, international law, now on the part of russia, but if russia can do it, there will be others, so i believe that nato is late, and i really hope that the washington meeting of the presidents and the words of our delegation will give, well, some new ones the understanding for the us that it should adjust

its strategy somewhat, such deterrence, prevention of escalation, to a strategy of prevention of, you know, war on a wider scale, and this is not surprising. provision of larger weapons, more types, more types, more subs, now not 30 abortians , sorry, not 30, but 300 abramtsians should come, 300, otherwise in two years even 3000 will not be enough, so let them hear my words, by the way , the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation, serhiy lavrov, who was at the un general assembly and was openly delusional there, commented, including the peace formula, from which our president announced, announced, including from the rostrum of the un general assembly, let's hear what lavrov said. zelensky, everyone who leads him in washington, in london, in brussels, firmly

say in one voice: there is no other basis for peace except the zelsky formula, and the zelsky formula - well, i don't even know, it can be described in different ways , but it is absolutely unrealizable, simply unrealizable, they know all this, and yet they talk about it, this is the only basis for negotiations, and in general russia needs to win on the battlefield, well he said on the battlefield, yes on the battlefield, there was a slightly wider quote, and he also said that we, well, frankly, we recognize the territorial integrity of ukraine, but let's go back to 1990 year, when ukraine adopted a declaration of sovereignty and declared that it will be a non-aligned state, like, well, we are also ready to return

to such a formula, well, that is, in fact, they are giving another ultimatum, that is, we are ready to end the war, but ukraine is a non-aligned status , those territories that we already and kusyly, they are, ukraine must recognize the new territorial reality , as they say, well, that is, what lavrov says, it does not fit in at all, nor in any formula , whatever the world considers, in that number, and no matter what formulation kyiv considers, why lavov is still a person who is accepted in the un general assembly, why he is listened to and why he continues, as the aggressor and divisive putin sang, still continues to have an international forum for articulation, aggressive actions and thoughts, well, because

unlike putin, it has not been entered into the hague, so this is a submission, but there is also such an explanation that, in principle, according to the vienna convention, he manages diplomatic relations, he is the minister of foreign affairs, formally, although indeed in his activities he already he has not acted diplomatically for a long time, pakhamsky behaves even in his appeals to other countries , he lies, for example, he said that it was ukraine that attacked russia, he was laughed at, but that is another story, the titanic, or whatever it is called, is in the same boat , they are now together, but one moment, you mentioned about this here the reference to the press conference, his to the declaration on state sovereignty. and i will tell you where it came from, what do you think, did you think in moscow? no, these are our homegrown, specialists brought it to them, and i will remind you, there was once such an initiative on july 16 in opposition to the initiative of ukrainian patriots and

wise people on december 1, and this initiative was created on july 16 precisely with the explanation that the declaration of state sovereignty , i will also remind the ukrainian ssr, not yet ukraine. independent, namely ursr the soviet republic, she aimed for, there is a pro-bloc status, so these good guys, i won't call them by name, but they are well-known ukrainian diplomats. moreover, we believed that they were really one of the most experienced diplomats, they promoted it politically, and from medvedchuk, there were a lot of medvedchuk’s advisers, it was such a strange symbiosis of these people who promoted this idea that ukraine, so it once declared that it is unblocked, so i said then, and it seems that it was already perceived publicly, that do not lie in ether why?

i was once in the concession commission, and before that, when these documents were adopted, i watched how the preparation of the constitution took place, there was a section that decided how to react to the new conditions on this point, and it was said, including by the deputies of the first convocations, which were accepted even after the act on the sovereignty of ukraine, they said that, in principle, they were then talking about the future in the ssr. that then they said that ukraine did not want to be in the bloc with moscow, and that is why they wrote down such a formula, but the legislators, adopting the constitution, by the way, in which was compromise on crimea as well, that is, it was a document that was accepted in moscow, which is not surprising, although it is our internal one, it was clearly written there that we already renounced this principle , and we chose the path of european, euro-atlantic integration, but unfortunately, this passage was included in our proposals in march of last year in the draft agreement on the neutrality of ukraine, which the ukrainian side,

as a working document, handed over to moscow, and there this one putin shows this passage, about this declaration, this delusion must be covered up, because i see that some even in the president's office at one time, i know, mr. podalyak spoke about this , he also said such a phrase somewhere, only later refused, who taught them this phrase, let the lawyers say, smart lawyers. that this is a delusion, that's why often such things do not start with the kremlin , but start, the projectiles are raised by those who want the so-called restoration of relations with russia, even in conditions when tens of thousands of ukrainians have been killed, when acts of genocide, when all this is considered in the world , and someone else downloads this game, continues, therefore, this it is dangerous, and it is necessary to look very carefully at the development of events in ukraine.

regarding lavrov, he is, well, i no longer see in him the diplomat who was once in new york , or conducted negotiations, he already works for this entire team as a rebinthrope more than a diplomat, he is not the only one there, and i will say one thing, uh, these are the narratives that they prepare professionally quite carefully , they cause harm when it's all from the podium of the un, when it's all read... some countries, small countries, countries that pay attention to their region, they can, for that, what is it called, buy and hear such an interpretation, in him the truth is mixed with lies, all together, i can write against each phrase that it is a lie, but such an interpretation is now impossible, if he the african union says, our diplomatic work must be constant in order to debunk all these constructions. because they form them very, i will honestly say, they form them professionally, they have moved on to

massive lies, and the hebers version, which is very dangerous, you did not want to name, i will name the initiators on july 16, well, in the end, our viewers have the right to know who initiated it, this is the sofia center, it was andriy yarmalayev, this is a person who was connected with medvedchuk, and i think that he is now in moscow . diplomats oleksandr chaly and vasyl filipchuk and honcharuk were also there, if i am not mistaken, that is, there were many people, signatories of this declaration, not of this declaration, but of this, this blunder, which declared a return to the declaration on state sovereignty, but you are absolutely correct that no one said that ukraine will not be a non-aligned state from the point of view of... the north atlantic alliance, because in principle

, in the 90s, we obviously had the greatest fear, this soviet return to the soviet union and before, only then did the csto emerge, and then these structures called eurasian economic cooperation, evraz, yes, and well, there are many, many structures that they tried to drag us into all the time, so moscow diplomats are now trying to lie and talk about the fact that we allegedly gave some commitments there knitting that we are not we will join nato, although you know very well, mr. valery, that during kuchma's time this process was quite active, and it was until 2000, before the so-called gongadze case and before the tape scandal, which actually, well, made kuchma a man , which few people there in europe gave a hand, because a ukrainian journalist was killed, and it was quite

a big trauma for the whole state that we received. and the russian federation simply took advantage of it. that is, we constantly tried to go to nato, with the exception of the presidency yanukovych and the premiership, when he deliberately inflated balloons with his associates in the verkhovna rada of ukraine and pretended that we don't need nato, right? well, you brought up such a layer that is already historical, well, i will say briefly that the russians have always tried to use it. internal problems, having agent connections with the former kgb and pulling on some strings , you know in me, well, regarding the gengaz case, she really returned a lot of things, but here the main thing that worries me is that george and i recently celebrated this date , mentioned

journalists, until now there is not a full stop on the day, but the russians have always created it, used it, i will tell you, everything is a lot. more complicated, the 1999 election, the presidential election, there are nuances there, but the main thing is that everything is the same in the country, no matter what, no matter how the russians did it, up to the point that they put their people in key positions in in ukraine, that is, under yanukovych , their minister of defense, the head of the security service, that is, the key positions on the defense of the state were handed over to another country for control, but now something similar is happening in belarus, so here it is despite this, people in ukraine keep this course, and even when it comes to radical actions, when the european integration was stopped, then the students came to the maidan, everything got so twisted that they did not let them go off this path, they talk about what defines everything is what putin thinks, who personally came to campaign so that ukraine does not turn from this

course for yanukovych, but there are objective processes, you cannot return them, the people determine. the course is key, everything else is then up to the parliamentarians, there is the executive power, they can of course slow it down or speed it up, but there are such historical periods when your chance, when you can jump on this train, and then you can stay for another decade, that's such a chance now, and i don't see a long enough period in the future when we still have such a chance, especially the unknown , even how much... in the future it will be effective, so far we see that russia does not dare to attack nato countries, even in the 14th year they had a choice and had ideas to play, let's say, with small countries, even members nato, they were sure that nato would not turn around, then nothing will be done, and it is true, at that moment, i think that nato did not have time to do anything in 72 hours at all, but now is not

the time, therefore, this is our chance, and here it is not even the word of nato, just another structures. defense, security forces, there is no effective one in europe, there simply is none, that is, that is why we have no choice , or on our own to maintain defense in all directions with the help of external forces, but this is unrealistic for us, we will not develop in any way then, so i believe that collective defense is the only way for ukraine, we have to divide it responsibility with others, so i will say once again that no matter what kirmanich did, they did not manage to stop this... path, it is objective, it is historical, ukraine is returning to europe, not only politically, there, culturally, geographically , but still in terms of security, i am sure that it will happen, 100% it will happen, but to speed it up is a challenge for today's authorities, and actually for those who can influence the situation, because over the past year and a half, even more , a year and

seven months, the world is trying, sanctioned suppress... suppress the russian federation and create conditions under which the russian federation will feel what sanctions are like due to its aggressive policy towards ukraine, then suddenly the financial times writes that russia has managed to avoid sanctions on most of its oil exports. the publication writes that this year the russian federation's oil revenues will be at least $15 billion more than it could have been. well, that is, russia despite everything, it is in different ways, it is not a question of some white and correct schemes, uses gray, black. schemes to sell their oil, and there are countries that buy this oil and russian oil in different ways, what is the world, in what way can the world still

screw up this crazy gas station, which is the russian federation, in what way can they deprive them of resources , which they then reinvest in weapons, which they then reinvest in aggression against other states. there is only one way: in such conflicts, when the country resolves the conflict, the sanction that should be is an embargo, it is a complete ban on the import of everything from this country, as with iran they did, why didn't they do it now, well, because the un did not make a joint decision, well , russia is blocked without the council, and because of this, these are not sanctions, they do not correspond to the violation of international law, the un charter, which it committed. rosi, this is the first reason, and that is why they have not yet been introduced at the level that is needed. what is not introduced, well here already, when there is no un decision, each country begins

to look at its own interests, and we already know that there is a special position of hungary, which is a member of nato and the eu, other countries want to catch fish in this situation, in the murky water that is called, well, there are still gaps. and the main thing is, look, when they tell me that all the big global investment funds, well, those that invested in gazprom, in rosatom, have completely left russia, then i will be able to say that there are, well, certain guidelines and understanding with the economy, and if they are still working with rosat, if there are still companies working in russia, if it is still possible to go to russia and there will probably be more in other directions, even dumping, if i agree with the dumping price, but

to survive in the coming years, because putin has put security , the issue of security, as the number one priority, they will dig into the pockets of every citizen, even, well , they will not shy away from it, if even they have hunger somewhere in the russian regions, but they will do it anyway. we see in north korea how this is happening, and russia can go this way, so it will exhaust russia, so in this plan, as they say, until the end of the war, uh, well, i think that is - let's say this, a very dubious idea , can be exhausted, of course, but whether it will give an opportunity to convince them of their mistakes and for them to leave militarily, i don't... the large territory , and therefore the sanctions policy, it must either be introduced now to the maximum, which no one

is ready for, or to be honest, that all hopes are now placed on the front, well, this is not the best option, because from the very beginning , in particular, the united states supported precisely with sanctions, plus a gradual increase, so now you are right to say, this is the kind of package you have not had for a long time, the usa periodically is doing its job, canada is active, the seven, the european union will try to do it despite all the problems, but there is no isolation of russia and joint sanctions pressure. china, india, first of all brazil, latin america, gives russia the illusion that it is possible to safely trade somewhere else, so unfortunately, this is a statement of facts, there is no embargo, there is such a result. against this background, uprodov... in the last few days, we have seen tension in the relations between poland and ukraine, in an interview with the publication superexpress, andrzej duda,

the president of poland stated the following, well after already zelensky's speech at the un general assembly. i was surprised that this essentially insignificant dispute regarding, it is meant, the export of ukrainian grain, was raised by him from the rostrum of the un general assembly, but in my speech i was 100. focused on the topic of security, the principles of international law, and in in this sense, i stood for ukraine , which is struggling, i believed and still believe that the issue of the grain dispute is only a part of the relations between poland and ukraine, which is, so to speak , only a reflection of that difficult situation, in in which ukraine found itself, in which we have been helping it for more than a year and a half, i do not hide that the fact of transferring bilateral disputes to a public tribunal in the presence of 200 countries was perceived with regret, and many people in poland felt offended, the poles, as the state authorities , as well as ordinary people, they sacrificed a lot to help ukraine, many even risked their lives, they went to ukraine

and were brought to the mog, some even went to the front, not to mention the millions of people who provided their homes, their apartments in order of our ukrainian guests, i think that many of them were very affected by this situation today, mr. valery, you explain to me, ukraine, the legal right was when it was engaged in exporting grain to poland, that is, from september 15, the poles simply introduced restrictions on ukrainian grain, we, we did not violate the legislation , all european and those norms that were adopted by the european commission, i do not want to go into it, although i understand what happened there from the very beginning, i want to say, because it is a long story and it went on, accumulated, if we start talking about who is more to blame, well, i will stand on the side of the ukrainian position, of course, but i will say this, when the president

of poland says that ethics is about speakers, he is saying real facts, he really previously spoke for the ukrainian president and indeed he expressed all the issues related to security, support for ukraine, opposition to the russian war against ukraine, yes, he built this speech only on this, instead the president of ukraine put this passage, without actually mentioning poland, but it was read there, the countries were read there in principle, and i compared it with possible playing along with moscow there, i think it was wrong, well, first of all, in the tonality of such playing along with moscow, and secondly, from the point of view of the place of the announcement, from the tribune oon, lady of the assembly, well, it was completely inappropriate, we have other ways to do it, although the second part, what president duda is saying now, worries me, i heard such a phrase that the poles are helping ukraine so much

, purely from his own, well, let's say that this is charity, and human relations, well excuse me, the truth is that ukraine closes the lives, saves the lives of poles with their lives, ukrainians with poles, well, not in such numbers, but there are volunteers, poles, indeed, but there are not so many of them, but ukrainians die for poland, ukrainians die so that the poles do not die. and to start comparing who did what is a bad story , we must act together both in defense and in the situation of economic and financial support, which poland actually did and is doing, why did we fall into this trap, which, frankly, is spread more the polish leadership, well, i can show on my fingers why, why they did it, and it is not only because of the elections, not only

because of the elections. now such a period is coming, it is very dangerous, so as not to start counting who gave more to whom, this is unacceptable in our relations with poland, we are closer than ever, it would be right for us to sign an alliance agreement now to remove these issues , and we are moving into a kind of conflict, so there are many reasons, but if we both sides put the issue of security as a key priority, and we will not from the accuracy of the wording at the official level, there the prime ministers declare, whether there are presidents, what they are set up by, their speech writers, then it will be better, because our relations with poland will always be difficult, they will not be rosy there, they will such a combination of rivalry, sometimes, as now , of maximum partnership of joint opposition

to russia, sometimes conflict. and the tasks of interstate institutional mechanisms , we have a committee of presidents, there are others, with these diplomats, the tasks, you know, are to reduce problems, not exacerbate them, so i think that everything will be fine, no, not because it will end after the election day in poland, although i think it will help, but because of the fact that we will constantly keep a pulse on the importance of common... security positions. we have a joint brigade together with the lithuanians. this is such a close cooperation that we do not have with other countries. we have already talked about the alliance agreement, here it is suddenly back from the rollback, and those who are responsible for it today should set their priorities correctly, really. then everything will be settled, economic interests must be protected, only i i'll say, well, i just don't want to get into this area, but...