[000:00:00;00] sometimes, as it is now, the maximum partnership of joint countermeasures against russia, sometimes conflict, and the task of the institutional mechanisms of interstate, we have a committee of presidents, there are others, from these diplomacy tasks, these tasks, you know, to reduce, not exacerbate, problems, so i think that everything will be fine, not because it will end after the election day in poland, although i think it will help. but due to the fact that we will constantly keep our finger on the pulse of the importance of the joint security position, we have a joint brigade together with the lithuanians, this is so close cooperation, which we do not have with other countries, we have already talked about the alliance agreement, and here suddenly back from the rollback, and those who are responsible for it today must set the priorities correctly, in fact, then everything will be settled, economic

interests must be protected. i'll just say, well, i just don't want to get into this area, but there are a lot of solutions there, and why are there so many, from our side, we have fallen into this trap, which is clear for the poles, there is an aggravation now, and they honestly say, you can wait, but we say some things, by the way, just like in the us, me they said that it was not about you, when they called it, ukraine interfered in the elections, there was a russian special operation, this is not your business, this is our internal matter, we are between republicans and democrats, no, it hurts, it hurts later in in the long-term plan of relations between peoples, so i think that here it is necessary to transfer many issues from the public sphere to the sphere of institutions, we have created a lot with poland, restore, by the way, the communication of scientists and the bilateral structure that previously worked on cultural history, i.e.

all these things must be transferred there. this time, by the way, polish president andrzej duda said that warsaw is ready to ensure the transit of ukrainian grain through polish territory, for their further shipment to the poorest countries in africa and asia, according to duda, special transit corridors have been prepared, thanks to which ukrainian grain can to be transported through the territory of the country and further exported to where it is really needed, well, at once, it was not possible to do everything at once, so, well, this discussion, which... is still ongoing continues, i think that in the polish media , they will be there for quite a long time, well at least one more month before the parliamentary elections, they will definitely scroll this topic, and the poles there have different attitudes to it, it is clear that the ruling party will try to use to somehow suppress this topic, but the most important thing for us is

our future in the european union and our future in nato, and it turns out that this whole story with grain, it er, raises a lot of questions not only in relations with poland, in relations with slovakia, the czech republic, and hungary here says that ukraine does not support, hungary does not support the position of ukraine at any international forum, as orbán said , until kyiv returns the rights to transcarpathian hungarians, well, that is, i understand that this is the final, the final eyes of our competition for the eu and for nato will definitely be difficult, given our, well, there are permanent some kind of permanent difficult relations with our neighbors, how to overcome it, how to avoid it, how to reconcile all these positions, because i think that hungary will be both in the first case and in the second case, well, to do some certain things

steps that are not acceptable to us. let's divide, the eu and nato are, in many ways, one direction, but from the point of view of mechanisms , different things, regarding membership in nato, poland is interested in our membership, and these other countries, and slovakia, they are interested, because we will then cover their eastern flank, that is, they are lobbying for our interests, that is why nato is realistic, the eu, there will be much more disputes, but now the negotiation process will open, i hope, there are more than 30 chapters, that is... negotiating and there is an agrarian one, he is very difficult, at one time poland in brussels cut quotas for itself and was very harsh with other farmers, the french spoke then, the germans spoke harshly, but poland has made progress, now they will stop us in the same way, that is obvious, that is why it will be more difficult in the eu, and it is a long way, how to solve with grain, well, restore transportation by sea,

that is, that's all. and then there won’t be these nuances, and in general, you won’t be able to fully control the business so that it is profitable for everyone, yes, there will always be questions, this is a benefit, and therefore to guarantee that only through transit there will be no influence on the situation in these countries, well, it was logical that sooner or later something would come out, but the reason is russia, which has blocked such direct supplies to ukraine, and businessmen are forced to look for such ways, which are more expensive a lot, that is why i see the way now gradually, what is being restored, without russian solutions transit by sea. and it is gradually being restored, if they had strengthened the control over these fairways and the coastal zone, including aviation

there and so on, i think that then the question would resolved, that is, there is a solution, in the long term, i don’t know which nato countries will take which position, because these are democracies, today orban is in hungary, and tomorrow he is gone, let’s go together, although they think they rule there, they have already declared, well this is democracy, this is not russia or china for you, yes, that is, after all, you are hungary and receive funds from the european union, no one will allow you to hold power there for life, authoritarian, that is why i look at the attitude of the people, the attitude of the people in hungary, the hungarians in mainly focused on the deepening of the principles of interaction, the result, politicians there promote, from time to time, this issue of leaving the european union for themselves, well, there they want to attract the electorate with such a more radical attitude, but this is a game, in poland, by the way , also now, the parties are very close, so

they should -what issue should be involved in order to gain interest, well, in principle, there is one more point in all this, we must understand that time changes, the situation is today... it may be different tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow will be different, therefore historical time, it such, he gives some kind of opportunity, but it either takes it away, and it would be very correct not to waste time now, and we have to negotiate with the neighbors, there are mutual interests, in general, i would unite with poland as much as possible, in order to remove any what are the conversations about competition, well, i would start with the sphere of security, common. a defense agreement or maybe an agreement with britain for three poland, ukraine, britain, this would be the solution, and then , believe me, everything took a back seat, well, unfortunately, for its promotion, the party is active today, well, a little bit in a different plane,

chose the arguments, but it would be possible under such an agreement in general, i think to take a five percent handicap in front of the pursuers, well, they decide for themselves, it is the sovereign right of the poles to do so. but i emphasize that as close as we came from the two countries, we have never had such relations and we must appreciate it, these hugs will not last forever, if there is no internal conviction of the two peoples in common goals, in a common purpose and cooperation, well and obviously, when you talk about this chance and this corridor, which is important to pass now and do whatever we need to do. don't you have the feeling that the world is slowly getting tired of ukraine , or are these impressions just misleading, well, in particular, zelskyi was not allowed to speak at the congress, he wanted, as i

understand it, to speak, and the speaker of the house of representatives said about the fact that, in principle, he is no longer the president of the united states of america, what should he do there, well , the statement, it was not very correct. but our submission was presented to two chambers for the second time in nine months unrealistic, that is, it is not accepted in the capitalist hills, well, two speeches in one year, well, a special situation, of course, but such a situation existed in israel at one time and our presidents also spoke, so i would take it calmly and it should just be b, so that it does not become public, work in such a way as to probe the soil, and then it would not have to be heard. publicly, regarding fatigue from ukraine, it is not fatigue from ukraine, it is fatigue from the inability to respond adequately to russian actions, to the russian war, to

russian arrogance, russian aggression, and of course resources are going more and more , that is, it is not for ukraine, they should be happy that there is still such a country that, in principle, played a common game and contributed to it. it could have been completely different, but now it’s more like this, well, natural fatigue from what is certain , maybe, well, it’s not the frost that’s coming, but... some kind of stagnation in this situation, ukrainians don’t feel it, we have rockets flying every day, or to odessa, or to kyiv, or to lviv, throughout ukraine, i still do not envy those who are closer to the russian border, there are generally people in kharkov and sumy region, and kherson and zaporizhzhia are constantly under fire, but for us it is daily, and for the world, you know, it is like that, but it is not moving anywhere, therefore, of course, you have to understand it. but we

will never take for granted that proposals to freeze the war will lead to a just peace. thank you, thank you, mr. valery, the time of our program is coming to an end. thank you for the interesting conversation, it was valery chaly, a politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019. friends, we are working live on the tv channel and on our platforms in social networks, keep watching us , i wish you all the best, circumcise yourself and your relatives, goodbye, there are discounts on amiksyn ic, 10% in pharmacies, plantain, bam and saving nose treatment, let's start with washing, so meridoza is taken, sprayed into the nose, as if the ocean cleans everything so diligently. soggy to the nose, as usual maridosa. maridoza

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for only uah 199, call, there is a war going on and not only for territories, it is also a war for minds. russia is throwing millions of petrodollars into turning ukrainians into little russians. ukraine. analysis and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists. by means of which hostile propaganda turns people into obedient zombies. residents let's counter the information attacks of the russians in the chronicles of information war project with olga len. tuesday, thursday-friday at 17:10 on espresso tv channel. vasyl winter's big broadcast. two hours on the air. of time, two hours of your time,

two hours to learn about the war and what the world is about, two hours to keep up with economic news and sports news. two hours in the company of your favorite presenters, presenters who have become familiar to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio, the events of the day in two hours, vasyl zima's big broadcast, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening at espresso. greetings friends, this is the worldview program on the espresso tv channel, my name is vasyl zimaya, for the next hour and 45 minutes we will talk about a very important topic, today we will talk about the war, but our guest will talk about this war, the person with whom we talked and he was already on the air, i think in the 15th or 16th year, andriy shashuk, with the call sign masiver, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine

who has already passed, who is already going to this war for quite a long time, and we will talk about the war with him, through the eyes of a military officer, as they say, without any ... bleaching or whitewashing, and many things that he wants to say first of all for society, for community, and it is important to hear and it is important to understand this war , when you are there, mr. andriy, it would be nice to see you, congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, i want to say that we were at one time, well, five years ago, or was it a long time ago, it was already my 15th birthday, when panrio came to our studio for espresso and then he passed the battle near debaltseve, we also talked about it. that's why panriy has studied, seen, knows and feels this war, and when there is an opportunity to talk, it is necessary to listen to the people who today actually hold the sky above us and hold the enemy in those positions where the enemy is now and beat him the enemy, i will briefly say, well, from what happened, as well as for you to know the latest news

, explosions are currently taking place in donetsk, which is occupied by the enemy, we will monitor and understand what happened there, and yesterday a large warehouse of enemy ammunition in the city was blown up , well, what are we we know krasnadon, now it already has a different name, it is luhansk region, almost on the border with the russian federation, mr. andrii, i want to start with such a question, well, it will give an opportunity to understand, perhaps better for our viewers, what is happening at the front, putin gave order to stop the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine, in your opinion, please tell me whether the russian army is now able to stop the counteroffensive, what stage it is in, how would you evaluate these efforts of the enemy, to stop, regroup, repulse, your assessment, your opinion, please thank me i will correct you a little, first, not near debaltsev, but under the donetsk airport, under the donetsk airport, yes, yes, yes, at

the airport itself, look, well, my assessment will be that, in fact, to stop the efforts... er, er well, russia has been saying for a long time, but they, the further they are, the more they are in it, let's say, they are not very successful, now, to put it briefly, it is , let's say, at such, excuse me, at such a stage that our troops are passing passed, it turns out, the security line, which is always in front of... the first line of defense, which is almost the most difficult place in the defense of the enemy, these are minefields, these are fortifications, these are barricades, these are areas that can be shot through, and when we have already reached the first line of defense and occupied it, these

are already occupied fortifications and enemy trenches, that is, there is a place for our infantry to entrench themselves, rest, start, well, regroup, start a new wave. and when we have already reached the first line , then this is already an achievement and this is already, well , this is basically the result, because of this the enemy is worried, the enemy starts to get nervous and the enemy asks to stop this counteroffensive there, but well we will see the results later, i hope they will be even better, in fact , i have a lot more to say, let's go, mr. aniyu , you know, how do we build on... the conversation, then i will ask questions, well, tangentially, so to speak to what you want to tell, because again mr. andrii wrote to me , since i know him, we decided to talk, pandriy wants to tell his vision, his understanding and the situation in the war, and he also has something to say to society, which today, well, one

society, pure society supports ours the armed forces, others are resting, walking and living their lives, for them war does not seem to exist, except that the sirens sometimes sound, well, in some cities more, in other places less, but there is, and i think we should listen , mr. andrii, it is worth listening to our defender, a soldier with great experience, the key points must be voiced about the war as well, then, let me ask a question, and you will speak then, let's answer this question, what you would like to say , what is important, yes, because it is necessary speak out, we need to hear it, and maybe we will understand our fighters better, and the fighters , i think, will understand better, our society better, i... what i wanted, what i wanted to ask, and now there is such an informational and psychological operation, which is actively distributed on social networks, in particular on tiktok, i see a lot of such videos. that somewhere, if an armistice is not reached at the beginning of october, if this happens, then russia will start a real war, before that it was not a real

war. please tell me, in your opinion, ah, is it really , uh, possible, possible, i am interested in the opinion, once again, of the military men who today pay with their blood and lives for this, for this victory, is it possible to have some kind of negotiation and again, whether is russia capable of starting something that it has not started before, well then you... and when you answer this question, then you can continue to voice what you wanted to say, please, okay, thank you for understanding, look, my personal opinion, i think that russia really, the only thing that it can still apply and apply on one once, it is its own mobilization, that is, its resource is precisely human, it exceeds our resources , we all understand this, and this is at the moment... probably its only strategic, er,

strategic advantage, er, but, even having started the mobilization, although, there, putin does not say that he already has 3,000 more people contracted there, but it seems to me that this is a bluff, firstly, and secondly, these are people who still need equipment and equipment, techniques, and first of all, this is training and they, uh, coming now even to the uh theater of combat operations, they no, they will play a decisive role, in this current situation, and well, you are right, they are probably another dog, i don’t even pay attention to such and such entrances and such and such information, there was already a lot of it during these, during this time, so why, why even waste your time on this, and uh, talk about it, yes, they still have the opportunity to build their,

well, let's say, weapons, their, some, means, missile, but, but, well, they are not so different, they are not so impressive for us, it is already, well, we see from our own experience, sees, sees the whole world, so... that's all, well, it's talk, talk is their favorite trick, and talk is not business, business is always them, them, it's facts, well, somehow, i may have answered your question, well this is my personal opinion, that's right, mr. andriy, now let's do it, i know what you wanted, to talk about the war, what you wanted to express is very... it is important to understand how people who are now on at the front assess the situation, how they assess the challenges, how they assess the workload, i

understand that the personnel military, like vykrema, you have been at the front for a long time, i even look at facebook like this, i have friends who are mobilized, and volunteers, and those who are part of the military, well, there is a little bit everywhere, their understanding and their own, their understanding of the war and their experience of these burdens and difficulties , well, there are certain nuances here , of course, but i want to hear your opinion, exactly how people feel about the loads that are currently being laid down, people, people for a long time without rotation, this is also, also a fact, and you will not get anywhere from this, there are many other points, this is the first, and the second, if we turn to society, because it is very important, for you to apply, i could also say something to people for whom war does not exist , let's say neither morally, nor mentally, nor materially at all, well, it does not exist, as if we are living, but, but it is a completely different matter, when a person will apply, which in this war is on the front line, on the front line, and not on the front of some information there. whether it's economic or cultural, on the real front, which is one front, we don't have any other

fronts, so please take your word, to be honest, well, i don't know how to put it more gently, but uh, i think that to those people who really aren't pay attention to it, well, there is no point in paying attention either, there are people who are concerned about it, there are people who are tangential to it, there are people who live in this...', there are people who sympathize with it, there are people who it doesn't matter, there is nothing to turn to these people who don't care, they need to be either, well, ignored, or maybe somehow eliminated, let's say, eliminated as much as possible from the fact that they have any influence on the future on... the future and in general on society, on its activities, well, somehow, i can express it, and turn to

them, express some indignation there, something also, this is a waste of time and i think it’s pointless, i understand what you’re talking about, i understand, i’m there, rarely, but i’m in kyiv, in other big cities, and well, there, sometimes not it feels like a war, sometimes, but then a siren sounds and everyone probably remembers it, well, for the most part, yes, young people, they, well, they want to rest, they want to somehow... er, have fun and so on, in some of them have a settled future, they have some connections, maybe parents and everything else, but these are not the people who are, say, active faction of our people of our nation , who can create the future, and most importantly, it is the task of all other people, so that these people,

in no case later, are not anywhere, tangential to our government. you see, these people should never later come to some positions, to some, ranks and so on, this is the main task, this is what i can tell people all that if you see that this person is not, let's say, not, concerned about our future , was not there in his past, there are no normal decent deeds there, i am not saying. service in the army, well, at least there, at least some normal, then don't ever think of voting for these people, well, that is, everyone should understand such things, well, but i will repeat this from myself, and still i want to do what i have a little too, of course, of course, please

mr. andriy, yes, look, i want to say this very briefly, for everyone, maybe it has already happened and more than once, but in short it is important, the situation at the front is such that there is no, there is no great need, let’s say, very spend a lot of people on those events that previously needed it, why, because the real comes really first. the war of drones, and this is already, well, everyone has repeated it, probably who understands this, they are coming, drones , air, drones are coming, sea, drones are coming, even ground drones already, and even, among aerial drones, yes, there are already different directions there , different categories, there, first of all, are reconnaissance, there, bombers,

drones, they, sometimes, work much better than, even art. and aviation, that is, i called it that for myself, such micro-aviation, which can actually now decide, at this stage, decide, the end of this war, and this, in my opinion view, not only mine, this is a very important component, we should pay almost all our attention to it, it is more important even than the f-16 and, the only thing i can say. the fact that, uh, we were a little late with this, there was a lot about it, both our volunteers and the military said , but unfortunately, the previous one, there the leadership of the ministry of defense, it considered, wedding drones, it called it, there a year a year ago , the same mavics were still there, and so on, and they did not want to buy them, and then, before his dismissal

, the minister was already there taking pictures with drones and smiled and said that this was his initiative, in fact, and i really, really want that now, when the enemy has already started investing in this , we can already see everything, so that we do not fall behind in this, this is a very important component , so that the same ukrabromprom, which actually didn't, well, didn't make an effort, to do something in this direction, so that it would pay attention to it, even though the ukrabanprom there is very difficult and difficult... uh, the experiences there, unfortunately, and maybe i i will say more about this if there is time, that is , this is what i wanted to say, first of all, drones, drones and drones again, everyone who is helping, please, and please pay attention to this already, at all levels of government, uh, mr. andrew, let me just ask you to illustrate a little bit then, so that our viewers can understand better, we do not say which