[000:00:00;00] said that this is his initiative, in fact, and i really, really want that now , when the enemy has already started investing in this , we can already see everything, so that we do not fall behind in this, this is a very important component, so that the same ukrabronprom, which actually did not, well, did not make an effort to do something in this direction, so that it would deal with it directly, even though it was industrial. there are very difficult and difficult experiences there, unfortunately, and maybe i will say more about it if there is time, that is, this is what i wanted to say, this is , first of all, drones, drones and once again drones, everyone, who is helping, please, and please pay attention to this, at all levels of government, uh, mr. andriy, come on, i'll just ask you to illustrate a little bit so that our viewers will understand better, we don't

say in which you direction you are fighting, we will not elaborate, well, if you want something there, you will give a hint yourself, if you don’t want it, the point is not that, you are definitely in the direction where our front line there is more than 1000 km, so we understand that it could be luhansk region, it may be donetsk region, it may be zaporizhzhia, kherson region, and so on, but for the people understood just everyday, everyday wars, here is this war of drones, which we often see on video, how these drones hit the enemy, we perfectly understand somewhere that these drones can also hit and, unfortunately, hit our soldiers, our fighters, yes, somewhere there are some opportunities to avoid, somewhere, well, but still, we kill and unfortunately, they kill, they kill our soldiers too, so it's this on the one hand, it's a double-edged sword, and we hit, and they hit us , to put it simply, he is in positions, here you go, russian drones, how they annoy, how often they appear, how to oppose them, so that we simply understand how much the enemy is using now, i

'm talking about that. those big drones, if we're talking, and of course there are smaller chinese drones that they use , just to give you an idea of ​​how difficult it is in this drone war, and how much easier it would be if, say, on our side the fleet was two to three times larger, at least , please look, well, in short, i will say such a fairly average situation, how the assault is going, both from our side and from the enemy’s side, it is practically, well, in a lot similar situations, that is, first of all, these mavics, reconnaissance drones, which constantly monitor the situation in the direction in which the assault is planned, hang there both day and night, and see how many are in positions, how many are entering, how many are leaving,

they ask to find out what weapons are there, then at a certain time there is a preliminary artillery preparation , that is, it is poured into this position, arta, there, everything that is possible, ages, everything that can be like this in this case, well, it is necessary, next, going, exiting, exiting, a tank is coming ahead, maybe two, then several armored vehicles carrying infantry, it can be inside the bmp, it can be outside , it can be, well, it doesn’t matter, there are usually three or so units that carry the infantry, the tank goes first and starts opening fire, it can reach the very positions the enemy, can he stop somewhere 300-500 meters behind the landing, from which there will be direct visibility, and suppress the infantry in their positions with their guns, that is, if two tanks, then it means

two, at this time, these three are permissible there... infantry armored vehicles, they drive as close as possible to the position, cover it the position with the fire of their, well, heavy-caliber machine guns there or there, the same bmp guns and so on, and they disembark the infantry, they shoot back to the maximum, the infantry, let the infantry take up positions to stretch out, concentrate and then, turn around and quickly leave from there. tanks as well, it is the infantry that operates next, the infantry by itself in an unfamiliar area, it can, well, let's say, not always find its way, and here it is very important that at this time it has a connection with those who see it all from above , from above, from drones, i.e., to the commanders of departments, to the commanders of platoons, those who in this case give some

commands on the spot, they almost have a picture there on their phone there and on their tablet there, which goes online now above this position and he should see the movement. both the enemy and your people and to tell them, it is very important, and this is basically, i am describing it now, it is not some kind of secret, but maybe for people who see, so that they understand how it all happens , er, in the best case in these , with all this, no car will blow up there on, on temka on a mini, er, there when leaving, let's say, uh, well, that is, it is usually possible that one of the cars blows up, the infantry, well, in this case, they are almost always there, no, they do not suffer, but, well, we understand, yes, the cars are still

too bad, so, that is , these are such assaults, now they are going almost along the entire line of boolknovia, but with different, with different, frequency, that is. in short, i wrote this for everyone so that it would be clear and so on what we need to do, we need it clear that drones, drones, it is clear that we need more, the enemy has, well, tools and he has a lot of them, well this is also not some kind of secret, c he has powerful rap tools, he develops them a lot, and the whole world knows that, well, he has good experience in this, we don’t have enough of that, that is, at this time, when people there are storming the positions, uh, the enemy is trying to suppress as much as possible, communication channels to disrupt communication with drones to blind, well, our fighters who go on an assault, that's why it's important to always have spare drones, there should

be a lot of them on the assault, there should always be a lot, there should be a lot of pilots, besides , kamikaze and various types of drones can be used during the assault, that's it in a nutshell, ma'am. we, we will now take a short break and then we will return to the conversation and we will continue to talk about and and about and about the war and, as they say , we will discuss the political and military life a little more, because it is also important to understand how the military reacts to certain political things, scandals, how much does it affect, how important is it that there is, well, order in the country, at least in the heads and in the actions of individual, individual people on the kyiv pechersky hills, andriy shyshuk with the surname sever remains in touch with us, we will return to the conversation in just a few minutes and we will continue our outlook, stay with us. turn on well, it's when everything is as you want. click and

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experience of yours, which you have gone through, can already be included in the fact that, well, being a military man, it's like your profession, i know, we've got literally 18 minutes left , i want to have time to ask something, what's important for you to say about this, and it's important for people to understand, you know, and maybe learn more, understand people better at the front, because now this is this is not this is not a watershed and no and not some kind of chasm, well, but there is a definite border between people who live here in a more or less peaceful society, well, how is it not a peaceful life, but without, this is not, i am not talking about the cities on the front line, this is one thing life, war is a different life, and i was a little saddened by the sociology that was seen by the sociological agency, the rating that trust in the military in society fell to 72% there, well it was almost 90, it's like... anyway confidence is more than 50%, but this dynamic will come

negative, it upset me, why, why this happens, i honestly do not understand, why, and this is where the story begins, and the military will return, and it will be other people , and they will be inconvenient for someone, and they will be dangerous for someone, and they need to be treated, and psychologists are needed, and rehabilitation is needed, and this is winding up a person who lives in her own world, which is more or less calm and understandable, she thinks , and this is something incomprehensible from the front and will threaten me, and such er understand how it really is, er, and i want that you said, how do you understand this return, it will happen sooner or later, and that's it moreover, the military are now on rotation, who return and live in the live in everything in the society outside the war, and what is the danger here, if there is one, meeting and coexistence then between people who were on the real front and people who were not there were, or maybe this is an imaginary problem, and it

does not exist at all? no, in fact, everyone understands that this problem is not imaginary, and such a problem should be, but i think that everything has its time, i have already returned twice, it can be said, already, i have to get my third ubd, in this case, well, it is not no not so important uh this problem it is of a different nature and of a different importance than the threat that exists now and during the war, and yes, there is this syndrome, there are people who, let's say, do not control themselves, there is a percentage who cannot from this, then to get rid of it, but, well, but, you understand that the balance is on the scales now, and well , talking about it now is somehow like what we were told on television there six months ago, that we are almost won and already there we are almost starting to build and so on, but

here not everything is solved like that, it just turns out, it seems to me that this war will still be and it is let's just say this, it is not close to its completion, so it is still too early to talk about it, god forbid that more will come back, and well, there should be a conversation about it and people who are in the rear should pray about it, but not about that, how will they return and we will, but you know, mr. andriy, why why, why is this important, because i think that those people who are not currently engaged in war, but have a professional education, have funds, have some organizational abilities, then perhaps it is necessary to cook, well, because once again the soldiers return traumatized, wounded, this also requires rehabilitation, i go to hospitals here, i see our soldiers quite often, somewhere i seem to communicate, different people , again, but this is a story that already exists, and that is why i am leading to the point that maybe it is time to prepare many, then meet people, accept them, rehabilitate them, provide psychological help, i am not talking about material, about other things, because the war

ends, well, even if it is a year or two, but it will still happen, so i am leading to that, that this is a problem, and it is important to accept and then adapt them again to a peaceful life, please, they are already protecting, some of the people there are already returning after hospitalization and so on, and i think that things are already being done in this direction, i myself was in the hospital for a while, it is, well, it is like that a system that is more or less working after the 15th year , well, there is even more, we need more, let's say, maybe rehabilitation abroad, it helps people, it really, really helps to distract themselves, i start to feel safe, it yes, and not to mention the fact that the level of healthcare there is an order of magnitude higher, that's all myself, but i still want to tell you about

the fact that i'm in a bit of pain and i'm running out of time, i'll start with your permission, you said there that the military. personnel, i will tell you that it may be an advantage of the fact that i am not a personnel soldier, because personnel soldiers have a lot of, let's say, a lot of dependence, and these people, seeing, well, in their positions, more of a picture of today's well, no, let's say, they won't talk about it, because they are personnel and well, there have already been examples when it ended badly, so, it can maybe... the advantage is that i am not a personnel person, so i want to say, first of all, about this is the most important thing, it is necessary to start drawing some conclusions, conclusions from what is happening on the, fronts, was happening all this time, these

a year and a half, look, i will give examples like these, by the way, the enemy draws these conclusions, and the defense lines that he is building now, especially in the south, these are the conclusions he made after kherson and the same offensive from svatovo, which he asked there to do, choosing a quieter section there itself, roughly speaking, he was copying ours the offensive near balakleya, well, in a certain sense , so the enemy draws these conclusions, and we have it, well, let's put it this way, not always, we have worse with it, and very often it happens that the brigade stands and thinks, rather, go to rotation, well, to move, and let's put it this way, not to leave... your experience, your achievements in the brigade that comes after it, the enemy has this, but we also have this, and we must, in all cases, very very carefully, by the way, the western standard, the same nato, this is always one of the mandatory points after even

the smallest event and peace and military affairs, then make an analysis of all of them. own and the enemy and draw conclusions from this, look, i also want to give such an example, the 46th and 47th brigades, their path is very, very, well, so identical, with a difference of nine months that the 46th was preparing and was completely equipped with military equipment, that 47, 46 went to kherson then, 47 now , well, went from zaporizhzhia to the south, that is, very, very similar situation, directions kherson, zaporizhzhia, the terrain there is similar, the difference is nine months , the enemy prepared carefully, ours, let's put it this way, no, not as thoroughly as we could, this is one of the examples of so many, please draw your own

conclusions, please, this is important, i also want to say that stop already...' maybe before offensives there in a few months, advertise them everywhere on all television channels, tell everyone about them, well, it's funny, well, it's not even funny, it 's people's lives, why is it that before the kherson offensive there was this announcement several months ago, and now it's here they almost indicated the exact directions to the people, the enemy, in every possible way means, there are people, well, well, in the end, well, when it's over, i don't understand this, not quite, further, i really want to say, why constantly advertise how many weapons are coming to ukraine. well, the whole world knows how many tanks there are in ukraine now

, well, why do it, well, at least a little bit, a little bit. 16 why is this not necessary, let them not know that we are coming, this is very important also the topic is please can you hear me? further, look, it's a super important topic, we need to start seriously building defense lines, this, well, it's an axiom too, the enemy has been proving it to us for three months now, if we had it at bakhmut, at least half what they did there in the south, bakhmut would be ours, i'm telling you this, because i, well , spent half of autumn and winter on bakhmut, and i saw it, i saw it from a drone, i saw it, well, not on tv , here , so we need for this, not

to hope that the soldier, who is tortured, who on the front, there, he constantly comes to the position, withdraws, then he will shovel there at night, still there, his trench there , to spread it a little more, for this you need to make, well , in principle, as the enemy did, separate detachments, which have excavators, earthmoving machines, which have e equipment, which builders, roughly speaking, in their essence, they do it in advance a little behind, and these are serious fortifications, concrete bunkers, that is, pillboxes, systems of clearing, trenches, these are well copanirs, reserve positions, the second line of defense, line of support, all this is taught in military universities, in fact, for this we need to allocate funds, allocate people, allocate equipment with the help that we need and everything and well and start building it already, this, well, it seems to me that this is also a long overdue

issue, further, i want to say that, in fact, this is what you said about the fact that the opinion of the pro-military has already changed a little, well, it may be due to the fact that it is not always professional personnel, let's say so, the middle ranks of commanders and well that we can talk about this for a long time, but i want to ask our western friends, our western friends, to they began to prepare more specialists for us, that is, they should be sappers, signalmen, pvoshniks, arta, we really need qualified artillerymen, because the arta, well, does not hit a bit, there is such a deficiency, and we still need them very much... ... teams of both lower average and possibly high rank

, and they too may have to be trained already, that is, if they are trained there, roughly 10,000 commanders there, old company sergeants there, plus 500, roughly speaking , chiefs of staffs, battalion commanders there , cambrigs, it will be much better than preparing there 30 000 just infantrymen, fighters, because i think that there are already enough people on our boss who can train fighters themselves, who are already experienced enough and they will train no worse than it will be abroad, that is, on our land, we we can train fighters, well, that’s iron, there are already a lot of experienced people, and these are also very important, train for us spokespeople, train for us engineers, for us air defensemen, gunners and commanders, they, well, what is really sometimes very lacking , yes, these are, well

, such, these are really, really, trained professionals commanders, they achieve results, and plus the most important thing that they do is that they protect, well, if only minimally , at least minimally, i know here, they are wasting an inappropriate word, because we are talking about people, well, but i mean now i don’t want to to belittle or humiliate anyone, well, they are wasting personnel, i mean. irretrievable losses and wounded people there, who have concussions and wounds and so on , well in a word, people who are kicked out of the combat formation for a certain time, i spoke with our colleagues and also with the military, that, well, there was such a thing, no i know, there is, i don’t want to go, there is, i’m not there, so i don’t want to speak for someone, but that the problem is certain with the fact that specialists are needed who know how to effectively use what they have to achieve a certain goal, let's say so, it's 100%, and this too , well, in my opinion, this can be one of the key such... factors that will bring closer and make the end of this war more successful, and i also want

to add that we also need to accept from the enemy, since he adopts, well, having such and such means and that experience, which he has successfully, these are those shahedis and lancets, what is the question of doing this muppet shachet on our ukroboronprom, which now has all the funds, has access to western technologies, has, well, that is, everything, and that we have not been able to make this shachet for a year, although they have proven that they are now more effective means of impression than most soviet missiles, which cost millions of dollars, and we cannot make these shakhet, lancet, arlans, also in them , well, in fact, they are effective, these are theirs, this is what i called the means, it must be done, it must be adopted, further , i want to say that actually, here we should use some things that, well, we may not be ready for them yet, or examples yes, challengenger 2 is

a tank that just has a unique gun that is 8 km. it works, it's for sure, it has a super sight, an 8 second reload, this, this is unique, this is what you need to use in this tank, and not send it to the breach, this, bradley, the same, there, there is a gun that just a sniper rifle that works at 3 km, and there, a thermal sight, it's well, you need to take advantage of these advantages, these are not tools that deliver guys just to storm to hostile position, and there are a lot of such nuances, precisely for this, well, for this we need to prepare our leadership teams, then i want to move on to a very important topic, mr. andriy, i will only say that we have one and a half minutes, you will finish your opinion now, and i then i promise that we will meet again and we will talk again, because it is very interesting and very important, people react

, please, think, literally a little, look, in war, peoples and armies from peoples fight, but in war they fight first of all individuals, it's personal, it's the commanders in chief, it's me i say why, i want to be heard, now somewhere in the winter, these stake meetings, the stake of the supreme commander, why is this, this is so that there are more leaks, to distract more of our commanders, please, well, why this pr, in we have a commander-in-chief, why should politicians interfere in military affairs, why should they reorder themselves, heads of directions, why should they be distracted and report there once a sunday, for this there are special people who report to you, there is the nsdc at the end of the day, why is it all such

an impression that this is some kind of opinion from the office of the president, well, she is wrong, no need, well, stop, i want to say that there are so many other problems in the country, they, there are a lot of them, let them deal with it, it is the civilian government, it should not get involved in these military affairs, and the last thing, i want to say, please, five more, i want to thank all peoples and countries, countries, friends very much, first of all, now it's the poles, forgive us, please, that we, well, no we, well, this is ours. the nyk has now behaved, i really don't understand, it's probably some kind of dog, to everyone else, a very, very big bow, mr. andriy, thank you, my big bow too for your words, they are important, people support, i see, they write in the comments what you say, everything is correct, i promise, we will definitely meet, take care myself, may god help us in this holy war for us, we will definitely meet again and talk, and for today i thank you, i wish you success, andriy

shishuk, a former serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, we talked about the situation at the front. i will say goodbye to you until 18:10 in the evening, then stay for an espresso. hear. in ukraine, in the studio of iryna koval, for your attention, a news release on the espresso tv channel. six people died due to enemy shelling in the kherson region. at 5 o'clock in the morning, the russians struck olhivka from aircraft, and in the early morning they shelled kiselivka. - informed the head of the regional administration oleksandr prokudin. also, in the morning muscovites were caught in the shipping district of kherson. one of the shells