[000:00:00;00] had all the opportunities for transit and i want to remind you that the position of brussels and the european union is still important here, because the european union has created preferential conditions for the export of any agricultural products of ukraine, well, all products to european markets, and for some reason in kyiv they decided that it should be blocked neighboring countries with inexpensive ukrainian grain, but it is necessary to understand the structure of agricultural production in these neighboring countries. these are small farms that cannot compete either in price or quality with ukrainian grain, but these farms are the basis of rural development in these, well, in slovakia the ministry of agrarian policy of rural development is called, that is, there rural demography is very tightly linked, well , rural agricultural production is linked to the development of villages, with rural

demography, so ... farmers, when they rebel in these countries, it is primarily due to pressure on er, politicians, pressure, voter pressure, well, farmers in poland, they at one point, during one of the visits , were set on how radical that they are zelenskyi and zelenskyi's cortege were ready to fill the route with a manure spreader, that is, the farmers would roll out their tractors and pour manure on them. all the highways, they, how much, well, they are radicalized in poland, because it is a small profit of enterprises, it is a lot of work, and without subsidies from the european union , farmers do not survive, but kyiv made another mistake here, when these pickets between warsaw and kyiv, the bank decided to go through brussels, through ursula fonderlein,

when...' in warsaw they heard that kyiv asks ursula funderlein to put pressure on president duda, they just boiled over there , because they believed that our bilateral relations , just a minute, just a minute, i 'm finishing, that's why this hyper value, which should not be questioned, but it was kyiv that questioned these relations, and to my great regret, sir. volodymyr, i thank you very much for participating in today's program , it was volodymyr tsybulko, a political scientist, we had a lot of time to talk about and we will talk about a lot more, but after commercials, such are the rules of television, a few minutes and we will again see you, there are discounts on esentsialy forte n. 15% capsules in podorozhnyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts on kvadevit, 10% in

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joining. glory to the heroes, glad to meet again. mr. volodymyr, well, tell me, please, this is a question that probably interests me, in this situation. most of all, can we say what azerbaijan is like is it possible to finally return karabakh? yes, of course, directly, during our conversation, azerbaijan is now physically engaged in bringing as close as possible to the moment when the so-called nagorno-karabakh republic, not only deyura, but de facto on the ground, will become the economic karabakh republic. zone of azerbaijan, directly in these at this moment there are relevant processes, in their superstitious system of cardinalates, for me the final solution to this issue will be after the flag

of azerbaijan in khankend, this will happen in the near future, i think, and the main moment when the last russian so-called peacekeeper, the peacekeeper will leave, will leave the territories of karabakh, read azerbaijan, it is more difficult here, because before us and azerbaijan, which is doomed, to work, lead, liberate the territories, conduct a counter-terrorist operation, now, well, in a certain communication with russian peacekeepers , and baku makes it clear that in this bidding system he will not pedal the issue until the end of the 20th, 25th year, regarding the withdrawal of russian peacekeepers, this is written in the night paper based on the results of the sorokocher. of the 44-day war in november of the 20th year, that is another thing is that baku also makes it clear that it is not going to prolong the russian military after the 25th year, well, it loses its meaning, if the issue of full

integration of the region is resolved, de facto, i emphasize, well, the structures are all azerbaijan's, that is, see , you say, too, what i read about, maybe you will now confirm even more, that is, the information was that baku could cooperate, and you say this, with the russian so-called peacekeepers, and that moscow even gave some certain information, in particular, about the coordinates of the concentration military groups on the territory of karabakh and this could help just during the anti-terrorist operation. mr. volodymyr, if it was so, then it turns out that moscow really woke up armenia, let's do it this way, step by step, well, the conditions are like this, after the 44-day war, that is, one of the results, in addition to the undeniable victory of azerbaijan in that phase of the war, as i call it for karabakh, now they say the third phase, the fifth is being carried, we

all see, there was a condition for the placement of russian troops on the territory of azerbaijan in karabashi, therefore there are no options in the current conditions without communication, no matter how insulting it sounds there. someone liked it, didn't like it, without communication with the so-called rmk, without certain negotiations, pressure on them , whatever, in principle, any military operation of azerbaijan cannot... by definition, maybe i will say generally seditious things now , and coordination with the russians , if we assume that the non-escalation option was already impossible, then from the escalation scenarios, now you are showing the footage, i will return to them, it was the most optimal of from the point of view of minimizing the losses of both the civilian population and the so-called combatants, from the illegal armed armenian formations on the territory of karabakh, further, in relation to the transfer of coordinates by the russians, well here, i do not quite

agree with this, why, well, tvd is the same in azerbaijan there are such intelligence opportunities, all these positions could be seen there through binoculars, there was no need to transmit anything , on the other hand, what was the communication like, well, listen, these illegal armed formations from the 20th year, when the russians entered there, they were in full operational subordination of the rmk command, not armenia, the armenian general staff, despite the fact that armenia receives. these troops were given money there, the entire budget of the so-called non-existent nkr, it was supported by armenia, but under operational subordination, they carried cartridges and shells from position to position, accompanied by russian convoys, peacekeepers, etc., this annoyed azerbaijan very much and because of this checkpoint appeared because azerbaijan pressed, this was not in the agreement, it simply pressed and there were problems with the russians, so now it is not about the transfer of coordinates is going on, but believe what the russians reported.

not even through your channels, your subordinates, if you like, in positions that will be one, two, three, and i don’t think this is bad, because those personnel, even as you are now showing, there is infrastructure, positions, equipment , even the equipment of the pppo was destroyed, that’s good, but there were practically no personnel there, and now there are a lot of streams, disinformation of various kinds, where i would not like to speculate, but on the topic of casualties and the civilian population, this one, but believe me, they everything could have been much worse, let's call it that, and well such are our realities, and even under such conditions of moderation, please note, it did not happen without failures, without breakdowns, according to various sources, six russian, so-called peacekeepers, two deputy commanders among them, this russian rmk, were killed in a firefight, azerbaijan recognized that it is us azerbaijanis, sorry already, left and so on. there is unconfirmed information that two more were shot, actually by armenians. here too , the events will be very interesting, it is not

a fact that we will be told about it, but russia will definitely ask for an indulgence for the dead own peacekeepers, and this is almost inconsistent, the azerbaijani expert environment does not always publicly say that the situation with the downed russian helicopter, literally at the end of the 44-day war, is very similar, as a certain case of beli, so that azerbaijan is more. let's put it this way, he was amenable to the kremlin's moderation, now, well, as far as it was obvious , russian peacekeepers are dying demonstratively , there is a very important moment for ukraine, there the deputy of some flotilla of submarines, the russian federation, died there, he was there at the resort, he probably made money, and we had such a meme, remember, a submarine in the steppes of ukraine, now the submariner has perished in the mountains of karabakh.

i'm just you, i just wanted to ask you, and what kind of submariner was he, but even though you know, he's this, zampolit, zampolit, he 's a deputy from what's it called in our country, i don't remember any kind of social and educational work there in ukrainian realities, zampolit , there was a deputy, he was definitely on the flotilla with ampolit, one of the deputies was here, and it is recognized and you can imagine the level of non-public communication, on the one hand, we have to deal with moscow, because, well, this is to a certain extent... a precedent and that the russians will roll out there in the future, well, as is the case here, their concepts are wise, but they may ask that the military base that is there now remain after 25 of the year, backstage, there may be other issues regarding the renewal of the contract to receive financial things in the same karabakh, that is, they will roll out something, well, we will see, not everything is smooth, even in such and such, in such moderation and in such relations, but the main

question is what azerbaijan is really creating a precedent in the post-soviet space for other countries to de-occupy their own territories, that is, regarding the restoration of justice, this is true, but if we go down to the details, then it is not true at all, because other countries, well , armenia directly attacked and russia did not act through vermenen regarding the occupation of the territory of moldova, georgia, ukraine and so on, of course, but look, i also asked you about whether i woke up... then putin goes to armenia, because look, well, i don't consider such a question relevant, why because in russia's relations with anyone. they look at anyone, any country of the post-soviet space as a client, and what is there , bismarck from the other world says that he did not say such a thing, but there is a famous phrase that any agreement with the russian federation is not worth the paper on which it is signed, well, armenia has now understood that, that's all i can say

, when, when she actually abandoned armenia, what do we mean, now, when formally, having views of both azerbaijan and... on virvenia, on all this tinned transcaucasia in their logic imperial, they still call it, although for us rostov is from here in the transcaucasus, from the south caucasus, that is, nothing has changed here, they have now surrendered to armenia, or when in 1999 the entire bloom of armenian politics and geopolitics was shot in the parliament and the karabakh clan was brought to power, which for 20 years , he made armenia a client of the russian federation on paper and on the ground, anywhere, and now look. an interesting moment must be discussed, during the last escalation in karabakh, there was absolute silence on the armenian-azerbaijani border, and this moscow did not like it very much, because they are now playing the maidan on the subject of karabakh, sponsoring their people from the past, the karabakh clan , revanchists, these are dashnaks, there, to put it very simply, due to lack of time in armenian

realities, they sweep nikol pashinyan, under the slogan of that he handed over karabakh to azerbaijan, moscow's entire claim to javana looks like the fact that you recognized karabakh as azerbaijan, you recognized the territorial integrity without agreeing with moscow, there on the prague square or somewhere else, that's all, suddenly they don't give god, it would work out there now remove nikol pashinyan, there is no personal sympathy here, but we are talking about the chair, if the chair is demolished, the armenian statehood at this stage will be called into question, and only if another puppet comes there, then the belarusianization of joining... the union the state and russia is saving armenia again, the armenians now understand this well, we can wish them success in practice, and not only at the level of the latest slogans, regarding the fact that 99.9, as nikol pashinyan said,

dependence in defense and security sector from of the russian federation, it was a strategic mistake, you see, there is nothing surprising here, these are obvious things, the only thing that is surprising is that even the vermen have already started saying this, that's all, and what can happen to the russian gyumri base now, it will be interesting, but this is an interesting question, this is one of the moments, in my opinion, not the most significant, if other processes go ahead, everyone, now the question will really arise of signing a peace treaty, between armenia and azerbaijan, against the background of the reintegration of karabakh, the karabakh population, i don't know, as far as the lion's share of it, now the information... that 5,000 have already moved to armenia in an organized manner, will this be a factor of internal political life for armenia? at what venue will they go to this signing. moscow will do everything, either to delay the signing of this peace agreement, shaking nikol pashinyan, or for it to be signed in moscow, er, not with

two signatures, the leaders of armenia, baku and yerevan, but with a third one with moscow as some kind of guarantor there. in these conditions, i can hardly imagine. as now nikol pashinyan will go to moscow on call. let's see how events develop. now a meeting is being prepared, for example, there is information that aliyev and pashinyan are to meet on october 5th in granada, spain, but events are so, well, crowded, so rapidly developing that i would, i would not now, give a forecast that this will finally happen meeting or not. regarding the 102nd base, you understand. there , well, if there is a real turnaround, they need to solve the issue of energy supply, which gazprom to armenia is completely dependent on moscow, borders, normalization of relations with azerbaijan - this is the opening of borders with there are russian border guards of the fsb

of the russian federation standing with azerbaijan and turkey, with turkey, that's the belligerence, if you suddenly don't come from georgia by car, but take a plane to zavarnad aerop. you will be met by a russian border guard of the fsb, not an armenian, i am giving such examples, banal , simple, that is, there, if they start , i will turn them around, well, turn them away from russia, we will all feel it, without speaking pro-armenians, because we, to me , for example, also warms the soul and heart, there was an interview of nikol pashinyan to the public, i have already quoted one statement, they have to accept the roman statute now and will accept, i think, the visit of the first lady or the second there according to their hierarchy annikan to kyiv and all such things, at the level of gestures to visit moscow, this is how all this happens, by the way, in yerevan there are two maidans, one under the russian... embassy was opposed to russian influence on armenia, and there russian provocateurs are heating up these processes in terms of chaos, and

not only convinced people, so from the language of gestures, from the language of declarations, if the armenians move to concrete steps, how much would i i was not a skeptic here, we can only wish them success. it is interesting, but please tell me what is happening now in yerevan, which you have already started talking about, today... in france, i read information that in the morning, i mean, around 11 o'clock, it was that at least 140 people have already been detained at the morning rally, here is the situation in armenia itself with these rallies, protest actions, how dangerous is it, well, i won’t say the explosion is dangerous, but how threatening it is for pashinyan and threatening for armenia, well, look, i'll repeat myself, now the armenians are awake. whose opinion i am rebroadcasting now, they understand that with all, let's say, questions, they, they have accumulated a lot , a lot has accumulated,

actually armenians before nikol pashinyan, now in these conditions, the demolition of nikol pashinyan, it is not a question of surname and preferences, it the issue of the destruction of state institutions, and the very existence of the armenian state is put at risk, armenia understands that, further, everything will depend on how the security and defense sector, the vertical, the military, the security forces as far as they subordinate to nikol pashinyan, for now, well, the vertical is quite stable, as we can see, vintya is quite powerful and so on, on the other hand , the armenians perfectly understand who is behind the financing and organizational resource of these protests, this is robert kocharyan, by the way, his son was detained there , for a month, it seems, what are the forces from the past that are even more toxic, let's say yes, well, totally yes, and can we call these forces pro-russian or not? you will understand how bengenu, definitely, definitely,

they are financed by one, at least, one by the kremlin power group, without options, there according to the fsb, by the way, they changed due to the so-called elections in khankend, on the eve of this counter-terrorist operation, they changed the leadership there, don’t get too involved, that is , they moderate where they can reach, you understand, where in they have a problem all the time, what i was talking about, the trouble in armenia, the entire internal political life in armenia, the russians looked at it as laboratory conditions, in some places they had more problems in the khabarovsk region or in voronezh than they actually had in armenia, that is, it is no secret that nikol pashinyan in the 18th year, of course, relying there on the aspirations of the people, on the protest, on the masses, he steered and steered away, from various situations, cataclysms, having a rather powerful communication after another, let's say yes. force wing with moscow, now this wing can be said so, it is the lobby that never sags in the kremlin, without it also nothing,

that is why it has problems with these protests and so on, but on the other hand, its main capital, which on the other hand , who organizes these protests, they are so toxic to of the local population, that he is able to resist, to say unequivocally that he is standing now, i would not try, because, for example , the topic of the loss of the carab is really painful for armenians, except for the organizational core, let's call these people from the past, revanchists , from the karabakh clan, there is already, let's say, a certain network of protest, that is, students are coming out, the orkhedro is working, there is a lot of finance and so on, that is, the situation is difficult enough for nikola, for nikola pashenian to hold it, on the other hand, i, as i i see the situation, russia, no god forbid, of course, russia will lose. armenia, even if it comes to the most, shall we say, escalating scenario of the removal of pashinyan, there

now, well, according to the example of 1999, i do not want to draw frontal parallels, but such scenarios are also being heard now, very little time, and i still have the last question , conclusion, but very briefly, please tell me, what about this information that pashinyan himself voiced that he has data on russia's preparations. coup d'état, this may be true, but very briefly, in armenia, yes, yes, the implementation of these attempts we now we are watching, yes, but i just wonder if this information could be exactly what he was stating, or if it was the facts, well, he played with the facts, or if it was just a fear of, before losing, for example, a position, well, he is a player , nikol pashinyan is a player, he is after the 20th year, after 10 seconds, without exaggeration of the national disaster. of armenia surfaced, this may be an element of the game, it corresponds to the fact that the cream is really wearing off nikol pashinyan now.

thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, for participating in today's program. kopchak is the manager of the south caucasian branch of the army conversion and disarmament research center, talked with him about what is currently happening in the relations between armenia, azerbaijan and the return of karabakh to azerbaijan. this is the end of today, we will meet next week at the usual time on monday, on tv channel uso, do not switch now, the broadcast continues. greetings, we are looking for six-year-old varya sozonova, who mysteriously disappeared even before the start of the full-scale invasion of russia, namely on december 5, 2022. i immediately ask you to share this video on your social networks networks, because if as many people as possible learn about the search for the child, accordingly,

the more chances there will be to find him. so, her grandmother is looking for varia, she told us that the girl lived with her mother in kyiv. in the winter of 2022, they went to moldova and were in the city of grigoriopol in transnistria. they have not been in touch since then. why the mother and daughter went there, the grandmother cannot say for sure, but since december 5, 2022 , almost nothing is known about the fate of little varya and her mother. i don't know, well , how to look for them, in general, what are the possibilities, what? i... well, during this time i saw, well, someone must have seen, in some school, in a kindergarten, in a clinic, there more than one child was sick, and we very often ended up in the hospital right away, i don't believe that anywhere , well, she must somewhere, something, at the same time the grandmother says

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