with our investments, we will live here and now and there will be no such processes, which we are talking about now, right? they say that all this will be filled by the best people in the world, i'm sorry, please, i hope that no one will judge me now, but it's all in quotes, but how do we, how do we move from such a stereotype to the healthy discussion that you are talking about, well, how to move, you have to drive well. discussions, there should be more platforms, let's once again say yes literally, that is, we will lose more than a million people as a result of this war, no killed, and those who left, but we still have the war, we have the killed, we have the wounded, and we have, as it were, a decrease in our economic activity in ukraine, economic attractiveness, because it is very cool to talk about development, but when she

whether that development will happen in six months, whether it will happen in two years, whether it will happen in three, no one knows now, and if we talk about big projects, really big projects that can bring a lot of jobs to ukraine and can move our economy, they are not made on the day when a decision is made to build a plant, first a decision is made, then financing is sought for it, then planning takes place , then engineering... planning is just a project to make, how it will all be, then the allocation of a plot, then the start of construction, then the construction itself, it takes years, it takes years , then which ones, and that is, it will take a few years there before the plant starts working, starts paying taxes and starts providing jobs, then excuse me, what kind of milk rivers are you talking about, yes, that is, the people there, i’m not telling you, i i'm talking somewhere above, yes, that is, we need to talk about these reconstructions forget, the war is hard for us, it is a terrible loss, when we watched, when we were... everyone

watched films about the second world war, we saw these, broken villages, broken cities, we have the same now, we have the same now right around the front, in order to rebuild them, these are colossal things, where to send people, what to do with these people, and even now we are talking about migrants, and just ordinary ukrainians from one region compactly move to another region, there is a community that has formed, here, new people who have arrived start some kind of household chores conflicts, a lot of difficulties, a lot of difficulties, but the main structure, the difficulty now is simply to drive out the occupiers , then you can talk about it, but you know, the state is a big mechanism, we can say that we are concentrating on victory, but in the state there are many officials who should think about it, who should form politicians, and these politicians, you are absolutely right , we should discuss here, because we are a society, we live in this country, our children will live in this country, and we have to do this to make this country the best

so that it is possible... those millions, which we cannot count, because i modestly said a million, but maybe it will be several million people, but so that those people want to return, ugh, sergey, but if we have to talk about current politics, in our country, it basically boils down to the fact that good politicians are those who always vote for and support what strengthens our defense capability, and bad politicians are those who do not support it, that's all, that's all real the political process today, and at least in the parliament it is clearly even visible, in this in this case, for a year and a half, the same politicians have been talking about the restructuring of the economy on military lines from all the tv channels, but at the same time, when we talk to our guests, we come across such a cool idea, for example, there is development in the industrial until now, it has been a year since they launched any absolutely, for example, our new bpla or something, they are well promoted, and after that we do not see. that was actually launched,

relocated, companies were divided, i don’t know, something was taken abroad, something here, some cooperation, newly established, i.e. this you can't see everything, you can't see the economy of the war, of time, and in this case the question arises, is it because the politicians do not finalize, or the objective reality of the war does not give us the opportunity to get, well, this war economy, we have a factory in kharkiv named after malyshev, he produces tanks and he produces good tanks, and we still do not have our tanks, we are now asking abram abrams, we are asking for leopards, well, you confirm my question, i understand that there are great difficulties, perhaps in setting up this production, for example, is precisely in kharkiv, because it next to the border and it is obvious that this plant is a big target for our enemies there, but we have the carpathians, why can the palestinians

clip somewhere in some holes, in the deserts, underground, rockets that fly at israel, does, well iran is understandable, iran is a big country, i'm talking about pa'. a small country, somewhere in the holes there under some garages, rockets click and hundreds of bullets are fired at israel, which we can't do, well, it's very strange for me with our potential, well, unfortunately, i don't have it, i know, i want to be as much as possible objectively, i know that lately there has been more and more news about ukrainian weapons , that we are really doing something, and it seems to me that we have made good progress in the military, and it seems to me that there are no official ... reports about this from the point of view of secrecy itself, but the facts of the last months show that ukrainian uavs are very effective now at long range, long-range uavs are very effective now on the territory of russia, that is, we are doing something, and i also have information about other types

of weapons, but we definitely did not become a country which can provide itself, for example, with at least the same shells, because whether we talk about the abrams, whether we talk about the f-16, but modern war is primarily artillery, the artillery of the god of war, it was said for a reason, because it is the artillery that makes it possible to hold the front, or the failure of the artillery collapses the front, and now the ukrainians are very powerful, working in counter-battery combat, if you have seen the latest reports, it is the russian artillery that is being destroyed a lot, but we constantly have questions about shells, thank god us now give american there are great risks, in fact, in a situation where we are not completely sovereign in our own defense, and we cannot be completely sovereign now, because now the situation is that we have been attacked by a really big country, very rich, it has a lot of resources, and for that , in order for it to win, we need europe,

we need states, we will not be sovereign until the end, but for you, for example, the question is whose crimea, the question whose crimea? our crimea, our crimea, that's right, but everyone says that, everyone says that for putin, it's something there something special, and our partners also suspect that this is something special for putin, and a situation may arise that when we reach the administrative border of crimea, there may be some nuances with the supply of weapons so that putin does not start a nuclear war, yes, we are here in in ukraine, we all already have a consensus that he can start a nuclear war at any time... and crimea is ours and we have to take it, but imagine the situation that we came to crimea, we have no projectiles, and they don't give us any more , or they give it so that they can shoot themselves a little, so that they can win back the crimea, they are no longer there, and here for moreover, we need our own weapons so that we can

control the course of the war ourselves, so that there are no targets for us that we cannot attack, because the fact is that we can now attack targets only on the territory of ukraine from somewhere there according to some agreements with partners there is a plus or minus, it imposes very serious restrictions on the conduct of hostilities, and if the russians were faced with the problem that they have to keep reserves so that the ukrainian army does not conditionally go to moscow there, then perhaps on our front it would be much easier to drive them in defense, instead of leaving any opportunities for attack at all, thank you, mr. serhiy, serhii marchenko, the founder of the recruiting agency borshch, a leading expert on the labor market was with us at this hour. now we have a short pause on the air, after which we will continue. antwerp miner on mego. in the matches against the belgian champion, the miners must score maximum points. on october 4 at 19:45,

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people's deputy of ukraine from the ukrainian capital, yehor, we welcome you and thank you, colleagues , we are familiar with rosyslav pavlenko on mykhailivska square, we will talk about religious matters, respectively, here under the walls of mykhailivskyi zolotoverh, i congratulate you, mr. rostyslav, well let's start with the statement of the chairman of the verkhovna rada, ruslan stefanchuk, at the end of last week, let me remind you, he gave an interview to our colleagues from radio liberty, during which he stated that, unfortunately, there are no votes in the parliament the ban in ukraine of the moscow patriarchate, the so-called uoc mp, which some people call the uoc of the russian orthodox church in ukraine or the fsb in ukraine, which ruslan stefanchuk said verbatim, to bring the question to the hall, failing in order to simply please the russian federation, then it is simply senseless and legally and irresponsibly, he said, arguing that there are not 226 votes, how do you feel about such

a statement and what is the general situation in the parliament regarding this issue at the current moment, please. well, you know, it seems to me that it is pointless and it is irresponsible not to spend so much time with one's own faction, because we understand that it is primarily about the servants of the people faction, and there is information that tens or even hundreds of them do not want to vote for any draft law , regarding the prohibition of the moscow church in ukraine, neither for the european solidarity bill, nor even for the government bill, which provides for a very long procedure, cutting off the moscow church from ukraine, but even this does not find support among the servants of the people, therefore, instead of talking so hotly about what nishmaglaya said, we should still focus on collecting these votes, because we know that when there is a position of the president's office, then the mice p sting, but they vote,

we saw this in the case of declarations, when we first made fortel, they closed the declarations, but after an outcry from the bank they opened them, the same could be done in this case, but as it is fashionable to say, there is probably no political will, well, about political will and about the president you are talking about have mentioned, i will remind you that on december 1 of last year, president zelensky introduced, did not introduce, put into effect the decision of the national security council, it is called about separate ones. activities of religious organizations in ukraine and the application of personal, special, economic and other restrictive sanctions. among these figures who fell under these sanctions were sacredly called to serve. it was written and submitted by the government to the parliament on january 19 this year, along with it, two more bills were registered from your european solidarity faction

mykola knyazhytskyi, one of the authors, and mykita poturaev, the servant of the people faction, the head of the specialized committee, also submitted their draft law, i.e. three of them, and as of january-february last year, stepanchuk himself stated that this draft law will become law in may, it will be adopted. what happened from january or from december to may, and why is this bill still now, thank god, the end of september, why has it not been introduced to the floor yet, have these bills passed the committees or not, all these bills have passed the committees, and the bill european solidarity, and the government bill, others have, i am not mistaken, absolute support, except for opzh, it seems that the full composition of the committee voted for them, there is a position that this can unite the hall, but the impression is that those who are under under the influence of the moscow patriarchate in the service of the people, they did not receive such a clear, you know, as in the classic final command, to listen not to the father, but to listen to the political leadership, because

it seems that either in the office they decided that they needed the cow and said, maybe mp is thinking there, and there were different versions about the attempt to create the upcop, someone is talking about the fact that among fellow sociologists, it turned out to be quite such a negative influence on the support of the president and his political power, because we remember that quite a lot of those who can conditionally be counted in such a difference, they do not support such a sharp attack on the moscow patriarchate, but on the other hand, well, firstly, this is not a question of the religion of the church, it is a question of national security, secondly, the same sociology tells us that only about 4% support the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, therefore, it would now be necessary to comply with the existing laws, such as renaming , so that you all can see that this is not a ukrainian church, there are relevant decisions from the national service

that deals with issues of freedom of speech, there are clear conclusions of experts: which show that the ukrainian orthodox church mp, that's why it's just a case where existing laws need to be implemented and legislation strengthened by banning the moscow church in ukraine. mr. rosyslav, well , returning to sociology, which you mentioned, according to the last survey of the kmis, which concerned this very issue, 66, if i do not i'm wrong, i'm not wrong, a percentage of ukrainians are in favor of banning the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, and i read sonia koshkina's latest article on our colleagues from lbba, she writes about what, she writes. about the fact that, well, what is she, they call, for the entire head of the orthodox, in the ruling factions only where there are up to 10 people, there are different ones, there are city madmen, maybe there in quotes, they can be called, which according to the version, according to according to information, sony is doing something now, they are calling their fellow deputies and saying that if you vote, god will punish you, you children

they will get sick, relatives will die there, well, they are engaged in intimidation, how do you generally evaluate such a process, if indeed ... intimidation is taking place, then can it be somehow also, well , somehow qualified within the framework of the criminal code, please, well, intimidation, in my opinion , this is an article of the criminal code, for that matter, and appeals to such completely wild things, absolutely do not honor those who are engaged in all this, but right away the question is that law enforcement agencies should simply implement those things , which are already written in the laws, we see that the service of the security of ukraine exposes certain things that are frankly... criminal in nature, bring them to justice, there are already the first court sentences, but these are certain isolated cases, and in order to destroy the myth in society, because many in the moscow patriarchate still feed on therefore, the myth that they launched and are trying to support, that they supposedly have nothing to do with cyril's church, have, again, there is clear expert evidence and

confirmation at the level of the relevant state service, which acts responsibly with taking into account... all these expert positions, that is why the question here is to implement the law and pass the legislation that will finally tear off this tentacle of the russian world and complete the work that was started when the ukrainian orthodox received the tomos, and therefore the possibility of a real chance for unification in his ukrainian church. paneslav, well, at the end of this topic, what will happen next, next week is october, and what, well, from the moment of the adoption of those sanctions and the decision to introduce the nsdc, well, december 1 will already be a year, what ’s next for you about this law , what am i i return to what to do all the time, because if this is not done, then the fact will be that the process will be so slow-flowing, and probably the next government will decide this question. because any church has its own approaches to exist and continue, and if very clear steps are not taken in accordance with the legislation, then this issue will be transferred

to the next government, well, there is another issue that volodymyr vitrovich raised literally the day before yesterday on social networks, the deputy is your colleague from the faction, he stated that he is the deputy director of research of the institute of ukrainian studies, became dmytro videneev, and vitrovich writes that during yanukovych's time he was the deputy director of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance and in this position he revived the concept of the holodomor according to the kgb's version, then, writes volodymyr, he went somewhere to russia, and now returned to kyiv, got a new position, what is this, is this a revenge, or is it just not a finalization, well, ukrainian government officials, maybe including the special services, just, well, volodymyr very gently wrote that let's help the authorities correct the mistake, well let's really help, because this issue has already gained publicity, it seems to me that this is not a mistake, to me ... it seems that this is one of those tentacles that just need to be torn off, which unfortunately sprout, because for many they are mentally and

according to previous experience, they are close, and many people in power are trying to relocate their friends, acquaintances, etc. to similar towns, but this is an issue where such compromises are impossible, such things simply have to be corrected in a very harsh way by releasing this person, well, really let's see how ... was appointed, well, one more question, if we have time, there is a little time, literally on the eve of uefa, the european football association announced that it was returning the russian u-17 national team, that is, the youth team, in general, not youth, but u-17, for which very young boys will play, returns to european competitions, because according to the version of uefa, well, youth cannot be responsible for the crimes of their senior mentors and politicians there, and there is already a reaction of the ukrainian football association, which announced that ukraine will not participate in those competitions in which the russians will participate, that is under the auspices of u-17 uefa, and the piquancy of this situation is added by the fact that the leadership

of the ukrainian football association, in particular andriy pavelko, the head of the uaf, has been in sizo for almost a year, he is suspected of because he stole during the construction of the factory for the production of football pitches, the general secretary of the oaf is also located in sizo, who himself is writing these decisions, maybe pavelko is in sizo, i don't know, well, that's a question, but i can't say for sure, well, look who's in them in general, in the management of the uaf, corrupt officials who are under investigation even in ukraine, how do you even see the history of relations between the uaf and uefa, well , this u-17 can only be the first step, and then there can be a full-fledged return, god forbid, like us what should we do about it and what should we do now, i mean i'm afraid this might really be a trial bullet to see what the reaction will be, and the reaction should be total, wav did what 's called football parlance, saying he did the standard position, they don't... don't to react, but this is simply not enough, there should also be a reaction both diplomatic and political , i think that there will be appropriate statements, appeals should be connected, relevant figures in

western countries as well, it should be a broad front, both in this and in other issues, because this is not about sports, it is absolutely about the responsibility of the terrorist state, and in all issues from football to the economy, there must be a common, clear position of everyone, from the authorities to the public. thank you, the editors are clarifying for me, telling me what to pavelka. only 100 days, well, it was just closed for the first time back in in november of last year, then they released him, then they imprisoned him again, well, this whole story has been going on for a long time, but it will be a year in november, we wish him fair and just justice, as well as the general secretary of the uaf. thank you, rossislav pavlenko was with us from mykhailo square, we talked about religious and humanitarian affairs. colleagues, i give you the floor. we thank yehor checherendiya and rosyslav pavlenko for the meaningful conversation. this is the daytime part of the tv channel. rather, the morning one ends, and the afternoon one just takes over your rights, and literally after a few minutes of a short pause, you will find news on espresso and not only the author's programs of my

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