verdict, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health, today in the program: cotton in russia, a large-scale fire in the district of the chkalovsky airfield near moscow, already the second this month. the black sea fleet of the russian federation is putin's achilles' heel, what will the loss of the peninsula mean for the master of the kremlin? if they can come to an agreement, poland wants ukraine to withdraw the lawsuit. organization of trade, how will the ukrainian government behave? once again, russia is on the spree, threatening to go to war with nato and flaunting an increase in weapons production. about this and about we will talk about the rest during the next hour with our three guests, today we will be in touch with oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, diplomat oleksandr khara and political expert volodymyr tsibulko. however, before starting ours.

conversation, i suggest you see how it was burning near moscow, near the airfield, or rather at the chkalovsky airfield, by the way, for the second time in the last few weeks. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, i suggest you take part in our survey, today we ask you the following, are you ready to increase tariffs for communal services, yes, no, and your option, please write in the comments why we are asking about this, because today the minister of social policy announced that a price increase for housing and communal services is possible...

services, the government is not yet ready to say how much and for which positions, but the fact that this increase is possible was confirmed in the cabinet of ministers, please vote on our youtube, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i invite our first guest to the conversation , is a people's deputy of ukraine, oleksii goncharenko, mr. oleksii, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air, i congratulate you, thank you very much for the invitation, mr. oleksii, today is the office of the minister. appointed three deputy ministers of defense, these deputies became yuriy dzhiger, former deputy minister of finance of ukraine, nataliya kalmykova, head of the ukrainian veterans fund, chornogurenko, kateryna leonidivna, deputy minister of defense for digital development, digital transformations and digitalization. how do you rate rustem umerov's new team, of course not a lot of time has passed and personnel matters have only

taken place, how do you assess the personnel potential of the new leadership of the ministry of defense? well, first of all, this is only the first group of deputies, the next one is ahead, secondly, of them i personally know only mr. dzhigir, he worked for the deputy minister of finance, and i encountered him in this role, in principle, a professional person, but i can't say that i know him well, so we'll see after the changes that will take place in the ministry of defense, at the ministry of defense. we often say that it is definitely very important delivery of all contracts and already famous eggs for 17 hryvnias and other things so that they do not exist , but let's not forget that the ministry of defense is also social security and protection for a million people now, because they are responsible for the armed forces of ukraine, the ministry of internal affairs is responsible for the national guard and border guards, the police, and the ministry of defense is responsible for the armed... forces of ukraine and all these hundreds of thousands

of people, contract workers, mobilized, conscripts and so on, who serve there, they, their lives and their morale depend on how the ministry works of defense, and unfortunately, the minister had huge problems with this last year, well, what can i say to you, if today, despite that, i have been dealing with this issue for months, and we have achieved there, according to my law, there are additional payments for conscripts, cadets , but so far they have not been paid, for three months now we have not been able to move from the law to direct receipt of money by people, but there are categories of military personnel, imagine what there are, for example, unsuitable dshev, there are so many, unsuitable for dshv after being wounded by paratroopers storm troops, but suitable for of the ground forces, they are kept for months, they are not transferred, and you know what salary they receive after they are discharged, and they receive 500, 600, 800 hryvnias per month, well, that is... imagine, thousands of

people, who gave their health for their homeland, have already given it, have already received an injury, after which their health may or may not fully recover, they are left to live on 500-600... 800 hryvnias per month, miserable and for months no one cares about them there is no business, so i really hope that the ministry of defense, here under minister umirov and the new deputies whom he selects, he will deal with the problems of these people so that this shame does not happen, because it is a real shame. well, by the way, the new minister of defense of ukraine, rustem umyerov, during an appearance on cnn, promised to make the government, procurement, logistics and contract segment very transparent, let's hear what mr. umyerov said. russia constantly says that we are a corrupt state, so we want to tell our partners that we will make public procurement, logistics and the contract segment very transparent, especially as regards

weapons important to our country. in addition to assistance, we also focus on in-house production of everything we can produce ourselves. we want to localize as much as possible. so, public procurement, which the west actually demands from ukraine, transparency in these public procurements, this requirement was from the very beginning of the great war, from the moment of the large-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, which, according to you, prevented ukraine for a year and seven months from creating ... the most transparent terms and conditions of public procurement and disposal of those finances, which come from the state budget to the ministry of defense, which they have at their disposal, let's be honest, the desire to earn and profit from this interfered, well

, what are eggs for uah 17, what are apples for uah 50, what is coincidence, is it someone neglected, it is a desire to steal, to steal. during the war, colossal funds and, in fact, on the lives of soldiers, and definitely it is there with , well, it is a moral catastrophe from all points of view, but it is also a serious challenge to our victory, it hindered, well, definitely unprofessionalism, and a certain mess, that too present, i gave an example there of this law on payments and additional payments and vacations, the law entered into force on june 30 in the law... in the transitional provisions it was said at the end: the cabinet of ministers has 30 days to adopt all by-laws. it's not that the cabinet of ministers didn't do it, but it's still going on, that is, it will soon be how many, my lord, it's three months, the fourth month will soon pass, how the cabinet of ministers can't

do simple paperwork, that's no longer a question corruption, not because someone here wants to earn something, this the issue is not professionalism and incompetence, so i think the two reasons are greed and helplessness, and they are the cause of the problems we have, over the past few days, quite actively, officials are commenting on the list of reforms that washington demands from ukraine, while that this is a draft version, which was compiled by the deputy adviser of the white house, mike pyle, and this pyle list, called this list of reforms, ukrainian pravda partially published, or those reforms that washington requires from ukraine, and obviously, from the way ukraine will proceed with this list, how will these reforms be carried out, and simply put, ensure the work of anti-corruption bodies, control over state procurement, well, there is also talk

about the liberalization of prices for electricity and gas for consumers, that is, in fact, about bringing prices to market prices, how, in our opinion, the ukrainian authorities will carry out and in what way, how quickly will they react to this list of reforms, because in principle, this is probably what the ukrainian authorities should do anyway, but washington decided in this way to remind that after all, it is necessary to make the supervisory councils correctly part of the anti-corruption bodies, after all, it is necessary to fight against corruption, despite the fact that zelensky says that he has zero tolerance for corruption. what do you say about this? well, zero tolerance for corruption, we all see zelensky, we all see from the history with riznikov, ah, look , so as for this list, it is good that there is this external pressure on ukraine, i miss many things there, for example,

media freedom, restoration of democracy in the country, because in the country has clear self-critical tendencies, and this is a threat, including, by the way, the fight against corruption, because corruption must be fought, and it is not only law enforcement agencies that are fighting all over the world, but how much media in the world is there in ukraine, the same as how much in the world, its corruption was exposed precisely... by journalists, how much the media did to make their countries better, and what in ukraine, in the conditions when we have a national marathon and the authorities have full control over, at least part of the media space in the state, well, thank god that there is still internet, huh an obvious problem, so what about the fact that the stranger said that it doesn't mean what he said, that it's advice, well, it's advice, you know, you can't refuse such advice, and it's necessary. i will remind you of the story of last year's antiquity. if the european union did not say: if you want to get candidacy in the eu

, please finally appoint a specialized anti-corruption prosecutor, how long did we wait for this appointment, why couldn't the authorities do it themselves, until they were kicked out of europe and said, what does that mean? without this, he will not apply to the eu, well, then they appointed him, and now they say further there, strengthen the capacity and independence of these bodies, i.e. at every step nothing happens without external influence, history with the declaration, the last time, the deputies of the servant of the people managed to vote the declaration so as not to reveal anything themselves, and only after that, how the internal and external scandal started, well, then there was already a veto of the president, which means a change, but if the president wanted this from the very beginning, what prevented him with his party, not to prevent this disgrace, well, it could have been done that way, but we hoped that it would slip through, it didn't slip through, so the more... there will be such red flags around our government, well, the better,

because unfortunately, it itself does not want to appear in a decent form, well, that is, this is a deliberate inhibition of these reforms, it is a conscious usurpation when we talk about corruption, democracy, absolutely consciously, of course, why do they hold a national marathon, which is unconsciously, consciously, held so that one can be included and that excluded, that's all, and everything is very simple. then this is any power in the world would be happy, imagine television, well, it's like the soviet union, like the russian federation, they put it on the air , they didn't put it on the air, and here the government says, and then, let's ask a question, can there be critical material about the government, no , of course not, and then, well, then this role of the media is lost in principle, and what is it then, just a picture where something changes there in the background, then such, no one in the world needs such media, media is needed for information , to highlight problems, not to make fun of these problems, but to make them

to fix, but to fix the problem, it must first be recognized, that's all, but when the media is under control, you can ignore it and pretend that there is no problem. mr. oleksiy, do foreigners, foreign people, including diplomats, see what is happening in mediapore and do they listen to these arguments, well, obviously, you are in informal communication, broadcasting, talking with diplomats about what is happening in ukraine, that is, how they are evaluated, what they say, well, certainly no one considers it normal, another story, that for a very long time everything was attributed to the war, well, this is , well, yes, well, well, this is the war, but now i will tell you that approaches are changing and the conversation is changing, it is not for nothing that this list appears, because many have become it is obvious that war is unconditional and war is unconditional. leaves an imprint on all our lives, essential, but unfortunately, at least part of the government, the war began

to be used as a cover, a cover so that no one can see their wraps, so that you can do whatever you want, and it becomes more and more understandable, well, look at the international press, when zelenskyi flies to new york , reuters publishes an article on tatarov and yermak on the same day, well, this is not a coincidence, and here, well... there is something to talk about, it is that is starting to come out, and here you have to be very, very careful, by the way, because if someone thinks that ukraine has won the sympathy of the world once and for all, then unfortunately it is not so, this is what we have to fight for every day, every day, and corruption is dangerous here, because what could be worse than today for the american taxpayer taxes, and there are those who will gladly tell all kinds of takers, karsans, others, or pro-russian, or just such people who

do not support ukraine, and god forbid , there are these big corruption scandals, well, then what, that is they are taking the money away from themselves, they didn’t do something in missouri or texas or ohio, they are sending it to ukraine , why should someone here steal it, so that borisov’s military commissar would have a pitchfork in measles, well, surely no one will to do, well, definitely, that's why it's necessary, it's so... dangerous once for our victory, just for now, thank god, the strategic weight and importance of this war, it outweighs all these moments, but unfortunately, they have accumulated and sooner or later they can reach a critical mass, so our authorities must come to their senses as soon as possible, to stop before they brought these things to ruinous consequences. well, in the meantime, mr. oleksiy, volodymyr zelenskyi is talking about the situation in the russian military-industrial complex, about the sanctions that should be introduced and will increase the pressure on russia,

let's listen to volodymyr zelenskyi. was on rates have separate content. to the intelligence report on the situation in the russian military-industrial complex, we clearly see which directions of pressure on russia must be strengthened so that terrorist capabilities do not increase, sanctions are not enough, there will be more, our own ukrainian actions against the terrorist state will also increase, as long as russia's aggression continues, we must russia's losses are also felt. mr. oleksiy, with the difficult situation that exists now in ukraine with permanent shelling, including the production of rockets, as oleksiy danilov says, is there any government plan on how to develop the military-industrial complex in ukraine, we understand that

zelenskyi is talking about russia's military-industrial complex, and whether or not it can be discussed somehow. are there any plans submitted for what the military-industrial complex of ukraine should look like, because one of the goals of russia is the destruction of this military-industrial complex, well, our goal is not only to take weapons from the west, but also to improve our production, especially since it was in ukraine, and we have some traditions about making rockets and engineering opinion about others from other weapons and other... types weapons? well, of course, this is a very important issue, well, let's face it, the strategy for the development of the military industry should definitely be a closed, closed document, discussed precisely on the air, even if i knew it in detail and saw it, i could not, and it would be right, because well, it's definitely not those things, but we understand the point, we have to

see the consequences of this strategy, well, only recently i finally, i saw. the more or less massive use of our drones by these beavers, perhaps others, which have begun to really annoy russia, it's good, we saw our maritime drones, it's very good, and they already really give a serious result, but of course we need more, and we don't see many things, unfortunately, we are completely dependent on our partners today, what does this mean, we are dependent in the military sense, and this means that, let's face it, we are not independent in our decisions, if tomorrow our partners say whatever we want, there are such conditions, other conditions, well, we will say no, but they 'll say, well, we're cutting off your military support, that's it our heroic resistance ends, because what will we resist

, apart from courage, we also need ammunition and weapons, and the fact that ukraine depends on... there is 90, i don’t know, 8%, then this is very, very bad, of course , that we need, and i understand all the complexity, and indeed russia can bombard our territory every bit, but still there are opportunities and underground and many opportunities for the fact that we still need to develop this military equipment on the border territories, but already on territories of other states, we have to do it, because otherwise, well, no otherwise... once again we are completely, completely dependent and this is very bad, so i hope that these first swallows that we are seeing now, finally, it's a shame that it took so long, but well, we have them now we see that it will continue, intensify, this is a strategic issue for us, for our survival, why am i actually asking about this, mr.

oleksiy, because the verkhovna rada should actively participate in this, because the verkhovna rada, sir.. serhiu does not participate in anything. the verkhovna rada as an institution, well, almost zeroed out, the prime minister does not even come to the verkhovna rada, there is no question hour for the government in the verkhovna rada for 19 months, there is no discussion in the verkhovna rada, deputies of the verkhovna rada can, well, i am talking to you now, i should now to be in the city of dublin at the conference of the council of europe, speakers of the council of europe, a very high level, as a representative of the presidential committee. mate, that is, it was a unique opportunity, our stefanchuk will be there, he is already there, and there could have been a second ukrainian, but instead stefanchuk decided that what is the point of a second ukrainian be there, and honcharenko. we will not sign, so, well, as servants of the people, then we find them, sometimes in the maldives, then in dubai, then in thailand, then somewhere else, yes, when you work

as another deputy, then no, you don’t need it, well, tell me to me, this is the verkhovna rada, the verkhovna rada must still be a people's deputy, he must be independent, because if he is dependent, then there is no point in it at all, well, he will just obediently press the button, and the deputy must ask questions, initiate a discussion, put forward an alternative law. draft, submit edits, but that's all, we're trying it to do, but everything is very, very difficult with this, and here is a simple question for you, mr. serhiy , why are there still no journalists in the verkhovna rada, why are we under a dome for 19 months, what has always been in ukraine, during the active 14-15 years of hostilities, during the most difficult trials there, i don’t know what kind of virus there is, under all conditions, journalists were in the verkhovna rada, they watched everything with their own eyes, there was a live broadcast, people could see it, it’s called transparency, which

prevents it from being done today, why this no, and there is no such thing, and no one is going to do it, it has become very convenient for everyone to turn the supreme council into such a black box in which it is not known what is happening, the same as the cabinet of ministers, i want to remind you that the meeting of the cabinet of ministers, people have already forgotten it , we were live on the air, well, i understand, there are issues with a vulture secretly, well , the broadcast ends here, and these issues are discussed further, these people have already forgotten us, but it stopped even before the war, and then even before the war, although deputies could walk, but i did highlighted for the people what is happening there, and now even the deputies can't walk , they talk all the time, goodbye, we are here alone somewhere unknown where in the zum we meet, it 's called the verkhovna rada, can there be any influence on the decisions of the government? yes, i absolutely agree with you, in the conditions of war, after all, people need information, and journalists should be allowed to enter the parliament and observe and

ask questions, including to people 's deputies of ukraine, regarding other issues, regarding the ban of the russian orthodox church, branches of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, why not is done, solely due to the fact that the deputies of the servants of the people, who are in the monomajority, but there is no one to even ask a question, there is one interview, some program of ruslan stefanchuk, and everyone starts from it, begins to push back, say whether it is right or wrong, that is, in order to understand whether it is right or wrong, journalists have to have equal access to information, i.e. it does not happen that a single telethon has access to all ministers, and the espresso tv channel, there is direct or fifth channel, they are excluded from t2 and do not have the right to ask... to ask these questions, so i absolutely agree and stand in solidarity with you. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for participating in the program. thank you, mr. sergey. it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine. friends,

we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube. we are asking you today about the following: are you ready to increase tariffs for communal services, yes, no, and your option, write to in the comments, why are we asking about this, because maybe we are waiting for liberalization. prices for communal services, electricity, and gas may increase, well, at least the minister of social policy spoke about this today. next, we are in touch with a diplomat, an expert on foreign and security policy, center for defense strategies oleksandr khara. mr. oleksandr, i am glad to welcome you and thank you for joining our broadcast. thank you for the invitation, mr. serhiy, nice to see you too. let's mr. alexander, let's start our conversation with help, with american aid. today reuters reported that the united states senate approved an additional $6 billion aid package for ukraine until november 17.

volodymyr zelenskyi visited washington last week and met with the leaders of the united states of america, including in the congress of the united states of america, unfortunately he was not given a floor there, but they say he is an experienced diplomat. zelsky has already spoken about the fact that leaders of foreign countries are so often not given a voice in congress at the end of last year in front of the congress, uh, do you observe any kind of cooling, americans towards the ukrainian topic, what is this, if so, what is it connected with the elections that will be held in the united states of america, the presidential elections, or is it related it is related to the internal policy of ukraine with reforms and that list. reforms that americans want to see in ukraine, well, i will literally name a few numbers to understand, let's say,

the attitude of average americans towards ukraine, this was a question of public opinion two months ago, as to whether they believe they are in favor of the need for congress to obtain additional money for ukraine, so 55% say no, but on the other hand, if you look at the dynamics, then the 45% who say that it should be given is quite a weighty, let's say, a platform for to work with american society, and the second question was whether the united states has done enough or not enough for ukraine, and whether it is enough or more than enough is 51% and 48 here in general , well, in fact, the statistical error is those who think that it is not enough, that it is necessary to support ukraine, that is, this is a general attitude americans, you basically named three reasons, i can definitely say that they have an impact on two of them, i mean the elections, and the second one is actually, let's say, internally.

political struggle between, that is, republicans and democrats, for sure, these are not reforms that the government of ukraine should implement , these documents that we recently saw and the list of those reforms, regarding internal political moments, ukraine since 2016 is an internal political fact in the united states, because president trump accused one of the ukrainian oligarchs of being supports hilary klimton, it did not happen, but asadaka happened, as in the anecdote. the second thing to note is that ukraine interfered in the 2016 elections, this is also not true, it was an operation of the russian special services, but then again, mr. trump, he listens to putin more than to his own intelligence agencies, and he said so in principle , the third moment , he remembers that the impeachment was first announced to him, as a result of the conversation with

zelensky, when he tried to put pressure on the ukrainian president to get classified information on hunter biden, through him, on actually on the president, more precisely at the time of the presidential candidate. therefore, there are these moments, there is a moment that there is a group, a group of trumpians who, in fact, repeat the narratives of the kremlin, not because they are bought by the kremlin, but they choose such tactics in order, so to speak, to resonate with ordinary americans, first of all, so, those that we call there, conditionally speaking, red next , yes, that is, the uneducated, who live in non-urban areas, and so on, in relation to the difficulty in adopting the budget, the senate is controlled democrats, everything is more or less clear there, most of them, of course, all the democrats and most of the traditional republicans, they support us, will vote for the allocation of aid, in the house of presidents

it is more difficult, because there is a slim majority. the republicans, and actually, this cup of trumpians, got a golden share, and they influenced both the appointment and the election, more precisely in the position of speaker kevin mccarthy, and they periodically pull him to do something that, let's say, to their liking, it was , for example, the fact that mccarthy refused the ukrainian side to give the president of ukraine the opportunity to speak before the congress, he referred to employment, some others. well, of course, that already happened, here, but he was at that meeting, that is, they did not meet in the capitalist one, that is, not actually in the congress, in the library, that is also respectable, everything is fine, there were in fact all the senators and the great the number of still conscious republicans from the house of representatives, that is, it is a moment, then, it is a matter of fighting for priorities trump in this budget, and the trumpians want

to throw ukraine out. and include there the wall on the border of mexico and for which, according to trump, the mexicans should pay, but for some reason they do not pay for it, and in fact, they constantly, let's say, call ukraine names, the same margery grinny herself, called ukraine the one that engages trafficking in children and their organs, i realized that all this is a lie, but it is very popular in social networks and among those who do not understand what ukraine is. and already, which has an unfavorable chorus. and actually we have several options first, a resolution was voted on tuesday in the senate, which can bypass this block in the house of representatives, provided kevin mccarthy is given the opportunity to vote for a similar resolution in the house of representatives. it is questionable here, because then he may incur the wrath of his friends, first of all, the congressman.