[000:00:00;00] my relatives, until the next program, goodbye, congratulations, jafer umero is on the air ukraine, in the studio in london, today in the program we are talking about how and why ukraine is suing russia in the gas, in the international court of the un. gazi has completed the first stage of hearings in the lawsuit. putin personally used false accusations to justify a full-scale invasion. so ukraine's lawsuit against russia is in progress.

ukraine is calling the international court of justice. russia in violation of the convention on the prevention of genocide, in the fact that russia justified its full-scale invasion of alleged genocide in donbas. if we recall putin's address on february 24, he used this very word in it - genocide, and a lot was said about it during the hearings in gaza. so what kind of judgment is this? the international court of justice of the united nations is the highest judicial body in the world. only disputes are within its jurisdiction. between states and it is located in gas. ukraine filed a lawsuit against russia at the un international court of justice in the first days of the full-scale war, namely on february 26, 2022 . russia countered that the court had no jurisdiction to hear such a claim. so, the hearings, which lasted a week and a half, concerned this very issue. can the un court consider such a dispute?

listening this is not essentially a matter of jurisdiction. the representatives of russia and ukraine presented their arguments. my colleague, anastasia soroka, followed the process in the hague. the case in the case of ukraine against russia is coming to an end in the un international court of justice in the hague. ukraine accuses russia of violating the international convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide. both countries have signed this convention, that is, they have the rights and duties according to it and claims ukraine, russia. violated these rights and obligations. in particular, ukraine says, russian high-ranking officials accused ukraine of genocide in donbas for years, and then used it as a pretext for a full-scale invasion. ukraine, quoting vladimir putin. ukraine claims that it is a gross violation of international law to accuse another country, unjustifiably , of genocide and then use it as a pretext for an illegal invasion. it is important that these

hearings are not taking place on the merits yet, but on the question of jurisdiction, that is, the court decides whether it can even consider this dispute between the two states. each country had two days to present its arguments. russia's arguments were as follows: firstly, when talking about genocide, russian officials allegedly used it not as an accusation and not as a reference to an international convention, but as a kind of rhetorical turn. secondly, russia is speaking, well, if ukraine claims that there is no genocide, then there is nothing to talk about in the international court. thirdly, russia speaks. attempts are being made to expand the powers of the court and force it to consider issues not about genocide or the convention, but about the invasion itself and its legality. ukraine responds that it is still trying to prove that russia violated international law, as ukrainian representative anton korinevych says, russia is the biggest violator of international law in the 21st century. this case is important and informative for several reasons: firstly, it is the first lawsuit of ukraine against russia in an international court, which concerns

a full-scale invasion. ukraine leads there are many cases in international institutions against russia, but all of them have so far been related to either the war in donbas or the annexation of crimea, so this is the first case that directly concerns the invasion itself. secondly, in this case there is already one court decision in favor of ukraine. ozav went to court in the early days of the invasion, and ukraine then demanded that the court issue so-called preliminary rulings and order russia to stop hostilities. of course, russia did not do this, but there is such a court decision. and thirdly, what is most important, although the un international court cannot compel any on the part of the parties to fulfill their decision , as, for example, he was unable to force russia to stop the war in march of last year, still his decisions have not only a symbolic, but also an important practical meaning. in particular, within the framework of this case, ukraine says that it will demand reparations from russia. the exact amount is not mentioned, they say that they will name the amount of compensation later, but

ukraine will still be able to legally claim such compensation. compensation payments from russia, however, a decision in this case should not be expected quickly, usually the international court of the un considers their cases for at least several years, but for example, the case of bosnia against serbia was considered for 14 years. however , experts expect a decision on jurisdiction sometime around december. and read about ukraine's appeal against russia to the un international judge in this article by my colleague anastasia soroka on our bbc website. putin and genocide in donbas. how ukraine is suing russia over gas and what will it bring to kyiv. and we are joined by roman yedeliev, associate professor of the department of international law of the institute of people's relations. i congratulate you, roman. so, at this stage, the international court decides whether consider this case. if the court takes it into consideration, what are ukraine's chances of winning? well

, it is quite difficult to predict the decision of the international court of the un, but it seems that ukraine has high chances, it should be emphasized that 32 states have joined this lawsuit, acting as third parties. and all of them are on the side of ukraine, these are 26 member states of the european union and canada, australia, japan, well, the world is waiting for justice, the world is waiting for the international court of the united nations to stand on the side of good, and let's hope that the international court of the united nations so he will make his decision. yes, they talked about the support of various countries, and again, if it is about a court decision, what would it be in favor of ukraine, what could be in this decision? well, in this decision, the international court of the un must state two, two facts, the first fact is that ukraine did not commit genocide against

its own people, neither in certain areas of the donetsk and luhansk regions, nor anywhere else on the territory of ukraine, and the second fact , which the international court of the un must state that the russian federation... i illegally, applied the justification that it was a mystical genocide and committed an act of aggression against ukraine, that is, the un international court of justice can state that the russian federation committed an act of aggression, that this aggression was unjustified and is a gross violation of international law, and russia declares that the court the un cannot consider this case, but it is interesting that it still takes part in it, does not ignore it, why? well, it's really, you know , ukraine applied, as they say, a creative approach to international justice, because in general, in the organization of the united

nations can recognize the fact of aggression only by the security council, but the security council is blocked due to the fact that the russian federation has the right of veto and cannot adopt the relevant resolution, so ukraine appealed to the main judicial body of the international court of nations of the united nations. well, such a path is not obvious, it is really risky, but at the same time, everyone understands that, well, ukraine cannot lose in this matter, yes, because it is an image matter, ukraine took a risk, let's hope that this risk was justified. the russians initially refused to take part in this case, so they mentioned the order on temporary measures, then only one side of ukraine spoke. now the russians have realized that it is better to participate, it is better to defend their position, their position , you know, is quite interesting, because they deny putin’s words, and they say that what putin said is of no importance,

look, in no document do we we do not mention genocides, and therefore, this case, and the international court of the un does not have jurisdiction, and it is not necessary to consider it further on its merits, and there is no time here. but you and i understand that in for the russian federation, putin's word is much more important than some document of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation. and the ukrainian representatives, the ukrainian side must prove this to the international court that one word of putin is more important than some, some decision in which it is written that his goals are some others. and not the fight against genocide, it's not easy, it's politics, but without politics, you understand, it's very difficult in international law, but, well, the word genocide, yes , it was in this speech by putin to the beginning of a full-scale invasion, you

talked about the risks, if we assume that the court refuses to consider this lawsuit, then what will be the consequences for ukraine? well, the russian federation will start saying that the international community. the un court recognized the aggression as legal. obviously, this is not the case. it's just that the un international court of justice did not take responsibility to apply the convention on the prevention of the crime of genocide, so, well, this is a possible option, but ukraine is using all possible ways, under international law, in order to attract the russian federation to responsibility, and this lawsuit to the international court is just one of such ways, yes, we have another lawsuit against the russian federation under two conventions on the prohibition of the financing of terrorism and on the prohibition of all forms of racial discrimination, we have cases in the european court of human rights , we have cases in the world

trade organization, we have cases in the tribunal on the law of the sea, that is, well, it will be hoped that the international criminal court, so the investigation will prove, and these arrest warrants, which have already are, will be fulfilled, that is, nothing terrible will happen, yes, the russian federation will simply get the opportunity there for one day to talk about the fact that the un international court did not find a violation. but, let's believe that this will not happen, but i want to raise the topic of compensation , because they are already saying that this lawsuit can help ukraine get compensation from russia, and can the international court oblige moscow to do this? well, look, the lawsuit will not help, the decision of the international court of human rights may help, in this case, the amount of compensation will not be specified in the decision,

yes? if we receive a positive decision of the un international court of justice, which is positive for us, then ukraine will be able to apply to the un international court of justice to determine the fair amount of compensation from the russian federation, but if, even if, er, the un international court of justice does not will determine the amount of this compensation, the decision of the un international court of justice will be cited by the governments of other states and in other decisions. other judicial institutions and the european court of human rights, and in international arbitrations, and a compensation mechanism, let's hope it will work as early as next year, it will justify its decisions by the decision of the un international court, that is, it is all interconnected, and this is really not a symbolic meaning, even if the russian federation refuses to comply with it now, we will receive many decisions of international courts, and the new democratic government in russia

the federation will be forced to implement these decisions if they want to return to the civilized world, it's a long game, that 's for sure, but the outcome must be positive and justice will be restored. well, but even at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, the international court obliged russia to stop hostilities. do you think this court has any coercive leverage? well, look, the fact that we have an order on temporary measures obliging the russian federation to stop the act of aggression is already actively used in negotiations, it actively helps ukraine to defend its positions, that this is not just a political statement by the president of ukraine or the government of ukraine, that this is an order of the international court of the un, as well as a resolution of the

un general assembly, so 141 states supported it. from we say that this is the position of the whole world, yes, the position of the entire united nations organization, the international court, there is no police, yes, there are no peacekeeping forces, peacekeepers will not come due to the decision of the international court, it is obvious, but the decision of the international court and even this temporary the order helps ukraine to show that this is a reasoned position: from the point of view of international law, that this is a concept of justice, yes, which is not fully understood and obvious, but this is where we can see this justice. thank you, thank you, roman, roman yedaliv, associate professor of the department of international law, institute of international relations was in touch with us. that's all for today, look for more stories on our bbc.ua website and on our

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of wagner's russian group returned to the front to participate in the war against ukraine. so far , it is about the bakhmut direction. how many. the wagnerians may arrive on the ukrainian front, whether they are able to strengthen the russian offensive or defense, and what good news from the front is announced in the armed forces, about it literally a minute, well, the round of hearings in the case of ukraine against russia regarding genocide has ended in gaza, we are waiting for news from our correspondent live from gaga and we will discuss with a lawyer if ukraine wins this case, what it gives her, about it today in svoboda live. the mercenaries of wagner's russian group returned to the front to participate in the war against ukraine. the head of the press service of the eastern group of the armed forces of the ukrainian armed forces, ilya yevlash, said this today . according to him, the russian command plans to recruit about 500 people to participate in

war in ukraine. in this way, ussu actually confirmed the information previously published by the cnn channel in a comment to which one of the ukrainian troops told that the wagnerites had returned to bahmud. he suggested that the appearance of wagner's group in the area may indicate a shortage of personnel in the russian army. from the ukrainian side, this is the first confirmation of information about the reappearance of the wagnerites at the front. and earlier , russian telegram channels close to wagner wrote that mercenary units began to return to the front in ukraine, in order to carry out a counteroffensive on previously lost positions. it was noted that these are mercenaries who refused to participate in yevgeny prigozhin's rebellion, or else broke away from wagner's group after the attempted rebellion. in general, in the direction of bakhmut. have achieved success in the districts of four settlements, namely zaytsevo, klishchiivka, odradivka and ivanivskyi,

the spokesman of the eastern group of the zsu troops, ilya yevlash, said earlier today, he joins our broadcast live. good evening, are you me? you see, you hear, good evening, good evening to you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, let's talk about the wagnerites first, and what actually fundamentally changes their appearance at the front, if it changes something, see. today there are already calls all day about confirmation or denial of this group on the territory of the eastern group of troops, well, first of all , i want to say that they will not become any game changer, for example, yes, people who will radically change the theater of hostilities, first of all after all, we are now recording the disbandment of the units of the camps where they were previously in belarus, now all these are mercenaries, murderers, they are looking for work, some went to africa for their criminal tasks there, some are now looking for work here, in the war in

ukraine, some of them are sent to command positions, that is, teams of various units, some are sent to instructor positions, someone goes simply as a fighter there to some formations, to other private military campaigns , that is, it is not worth noting here that now there is a group of wagnerites, so they will storm now, that this is some such force that was there a year ago, no, wagner was defeated, the commander of the eastern group of troops, colonel-general oleksandr syrskyi, already spoke about it , we also note that they are now actively spreading, but a year has already passed with the so-called general mobilization in russia, and now we are recording more and more interceptions about intentions to rebel, to lay down arms among the occupiers, precisely among these mobilized servicemen, including this can be as an action with and also as an informational and psychological operation used by the enemy, that is, as they previously

the pr of their kadyrovs there, the so-called tik-tok warriors, the same is going on with wagner now, this is a fairly small group that entered, it does not represent a very high such pressure, risk, so they do return, but it is not such a force , i will only note here that during the last months, when the wagnerites were still at the front , repeatedly in... the military told us that at least this is a fairly powerful combat force in the ranks of the russian army, you said that according to your data, if i understand correctly there are about 500 mercenaries who could return to the bakhmut region, you mentioned belarus, so i will remind you that there was a figure of 400, they were in belarus, at least until they began to disband. their camps, is 500 the final number you mentioned or do you expect

more to come anyway? i think it's going to be such a long process because all these people, they have to go somewhere, because they can't do anything else in life but kill, and they'll find some kind of use, someone will return to his homeland, commit some crime there and go to prison, then... he will simply be transferred here already as a unit of storms, which will attack there and conduct assaults on our defense fortifications, someone will find some kind of application, however, all these forces are powerful, i emphasize this once again, this is not the wagner that was earlier this winter, when they had a leader yevgeny prigozhin, who was eliminated, that is , we can even say that just these people who fought back... from the hands that were previously seen there in actions against the authorities there in the russian federation, they are all simply sent here for disposal

, i understand you, and another topic, let's go back a little, back, volodymyr zelensky, when he was in the united states, he spoke about the fact that the armed forces of ukraine will release bahmud in the near future, by the end of the year, he said, please tell me how they feel about such a statement, maybe you know military personnel who are directly in the direction, and whether they see this as a real prospect liberation of the city by the end of the year? well, of course, we are doing everything possible to de-occupy not only the settlement of bahmud, but also the rest of the territory, all the necessary measures are being taken, planning is being carried out, above all, we are focusing on protecting the lives and health of our defenders, because no actions are carried out without prior planning, without mine-engineering barriers, we cannot afford to sacrifice... our people, as the russian federation does. an active offensive

operation is currently underway on the southern flank nearby bakhmutu, on the northern flank, the enemy is counterattacking, using a dynamic defense in order to... lob to go to our attacks and not give us an advance also on the northern flank, no one will certainly storm the city, as the wagnerites did, putting more than 1000 of their troops criminals, as well as the strength of their equipment, since fighting in a place is a completely different kind, many servicemen, stormtroopers note that this is a more difficult type of combat, since every window, every floor, every street, every corner of the street, it can contain thunderstorm and it is different from when you go into the landing and meter by meter just knock them out of the trenches, which of course is also incredibly difficult, you should not underestimate it, so all measures will be taken and when necessary, when that time comes, operational situation, tactical the situation will develop, of course we will make every effort to liberate all our inhabited cities, including ba. earlier today, you reported that in

the direction of bakhmut, the armed forces of ukraine achieved success, near zaitsevo, klishchiivka, odradivka and ivannivskyi, what do you call success, maybe explain for people who are interested in the situation, but have no idea what success means? well, success, first of all, is, of course, when we manage to repel the enemy, inflict losses on him, for example, during his assaults, or advance on these areas of the front and force the enemy to retreat, of course, what can we say about global successes we can only later, when the operative... situation allows, when the operation is completed, then we will definitely inform the society about achieved results in these directions in these directions, while the operation is not completed, we can only talk about the fact that we inflict fire damage, advance in some areas and cause the enemy irreparable problems. in general, what significance does the bakhmut direction have for russia, for

the russian troops, once it was, including politically important. the direction was for the kremlin, but how now? of course, he remains so. it is of key importance for the occupying forces, as it is one of the last victories that they claimed in this way, 10 fought for this regional center for months, invested more than 100,000 people there, and of course, for them, this was such a high achievement in their media spheres and in propaganda circles, the warriors of these zeetbloggers. therefore, the loss of this settlement can lead to unpredictable consequences, both at the front and within the e-e society, the russian federation, because then it will be very difficult for them to justify themselves and explain how it happened that so much effort was made, so many died there their war criminals, who then, by the way, are poured with concrete, who are dishonorable in general

, they are lost in this historical plane , how did it happen that they missed this, this strike, now we see very active use also of strikes on the black sea fleet, all this in the complex affects the situation at the front and society as a whole, so our main task now is to repel the enemy's offensive, hold our borders and continue to liberate our lands. thank you for your comment, ilya ivlazh, head of the press service of the eastern group of troops of the armed forces of ukraine, we talked about the bakhmut direction, where, in particular. the wagnerites are beginning to appear, including the military and international media. thank you very much. the russian army is strengthening its positions in the southern direction of the front. russia sent thousands of paratroopers into the working districts of the zaporizhzhia region. this is reported by the ministry of defense of great britain, referring to intelligence data,

it is about 10,000 elite soldiers who are supposed to strengthen the 58th combined army. correspondent of the tv channel znayshe vremya talked with the ukrainian military on this part of the front. the fighters told him how they overcome the defense of the russian army, and what is the situation in the melitopol direction of the front? from armored cars passing by humming ground. this is the ukrainian infantry, going on the attack again. russian artillery and aviation are trying to prevent its advance. we have only been here for two hours, and during that time we have already reported three times about the threat of russian guided aerial bombs. in the direction of melitopol, russian troops are actively using aerial bombs, and you can turn around the consequences of dropping such and such a bomb. here , ukrainian troops have been conducting a counteroffensive for three months, this is the robotin area, which was recently