displaced persons and those who remained in nagorno- karabakh. the white house says they will continue to help those affected by the crisis. voice of america correspondent gezar murdyk, who is currently in armenia, will tell more about the situation in the region. i am currently on the border between armenia and the region known as nagorno-karabakh. the cars you see are mostly people evacuating from karabakh. today here... there were huge crowds of people, thousands of refugees and multi-kilometer queues of cars. today , people told us about their recent experiences a terrible experience, they are traumatized, many people are sick or injured, there are many stories of missing, there are wounded, or even dead, those who managed to cross the border, they were lucky, they had transport and means to choose from there, but even they tell , who left their native homes in a hurry, the road was difficult, people did not even take food and water, they are hungry and exhausted.

traumatized and anxiously looking to the future. the conflict in nagorno-karabakh has been going on for 30 years, many of these people believed that they were holding on to this land in spite of everything, but now they simply leave this place to save their lives. some people expressed extreme anger at azerbaijan for attacking civilians, other people expressed anger at armenia for not trying harder to maintain control over nagorno-karabakh. during previous conflicts, there were also a large number of refugees here, a lot. they were given to relatives, some in refugee centers, but this time the number of refugees is expected to be much higher, about 50 have fled in the last three days thousands of people, how many more will be unknown. the armenian government has said it has prepared places for only 40,000 refugees, so there is some concern. currently, journalists have almost no access to nagorno-karabakh. the road has been closed for months on the armenian side, and to get through azerbaijan, you have to get permission from the government. to azerbaijan,

which is very difficult, almost impossible. of course, we tried, as did many other journalists, and some succeeded, but mostly those who were somehow connected with the azerbaijani government. we hear from people hence, the situation is more stable now compared to last week when there was active fighting, and many people fear that the road that is now open to civilians may close soon, so people are fleeing in droves. in addition, after the seizure of nagorno-karabakh, the government of azerbaijan stated that many armenians do not want to take azerbaijani citizenship, others are afraid of reprisals. download the voice of america mobile app, the app allows you to automatically bypass blocking thanks to the built-in vpn service, read news, watch informative programs and videos, and also listen to podcasts of the ukrainian voice of america service.

and this concludes, thank you for watching the voice of america in ukrainian, also join the broadcasts of the voice of america briefing at 6 p.m. kyiv, on youtube and facebook, where you can ask your questions and get an answer live, all the best, -pas. congratulations, we have received very encouraging news about ten-year-old liza galushko, who disappeared on february 24, 2022 in novaya kakhovka, kherson region, she contacted the children's search service a woman who said that she saw our program about the search for liza galushko and recognized the girl. this girl, this lisa, this face, these eyes, this, i... i am sure that this is this child.

the woman said that in the spring of 2022 she was a volunteer at the red cross in barcelona and helped register refugees from ukraine. the woman says that ten-year-old liza galushko was among the refugees. and definitely lisa, and definitely that blonde, those eyes, that's her, that's the whole child. it was either march or april, because they were still in their jackets. mrs. liana said that it was a girl came to barcelona. from the kherson region with her parents, but they allegedly said that liza was adopted and they call her not liza, but veronika, although the girl's documents allegedly indicated the name liza. i say: "lizechka, you like it here." when this woman heard that i called her liza, she jumped out of this chair and ran up, ran up to me and pounced like that and said, what do we call him, they speak russian, we

call her veronika, she adopted, she does not know her name. mrs. liana says that then the girl looks a lot like lisa galushko, along with the adults who were with her, registered as refugees in spain, but their whereabouts are unknown now. they are mostly in the territory of spain, because they received the refugee program, and they were distributed further throughout the territory of spain, but it is also not forbidden for them to leave with those documents to another state. after receiving the information from ms. lianna, we in turn contacted our colleagues. from the international federation of missing children europe, who should make a request to the police spain, we hope that this way we will be able to find out if the girl the witness told us about is really lisa galushko and , most importantly, where she is now. but of course, as mrs. liana said, the girl may

not be in spain anymore, in any european country. so please remember or write down this number 116.30, this is the only european hotline for missing children that works in 20 eight european countries, so if you are in one of the european countries and you suddenly see a girl who looks like aliza galushko, immediately report briefly number 1163. we are also looking for 15-year-old yulia kurbel, who disappeared in seyeronetsk, luhansk region. a friend of yulia turned to us for help, the girl did not want to talk on camera, but in a private conversation she told some details that could become important in so it is known that when the war started, yulia first made herself known, but in march 2022, when severe shelling began in severonetsk, contact with the girl was cut off, and since then, unfortunately, there has been no news about her. we also know the exact address where yulia kurbel lived,

tseverodonetsk, gagarina street 117a. here is the actual photo of the house in which yulia lived, now i am addressing first of all the residents of occupied severo-donetsk. if you suddenly see this program, i ask you to come to gagarin 117a and ask the residents of this building about 15-year-old yuli kurbel, if she still lives there, or where and with whom she might be now? if you find out anything about the fate of yulia kurbel, please contact us immediately on the free hotline of the child tracing service at the short number 1163. and the very end, be please go to the website of the child tracing service. if you recognize someone, do not remain indifferent and inform us on the hotline 1163 or in the chatbot of the children's search service in telegram. we have created a resource through which you can report

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the verdict program by serhii rudenko, from monday to friday at 20:00, repeat at 12:10. greetings friends, this is the worldview program on the espresso tv channel, my name is vasyl zamaya, for the next hour and 45 minutes we will talk about a very important topic. today we will talk about the war, but this war will be talked about by our guest, mine, the person with whom we communicated, and he was already in the etheric back in my opinion in the 15th or 16th year, andriy shashuk, with the call sign masiver, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, who has already passed, who has been in this war for quite a long time, and we will talk about the war with him through the eyes of a military man officer, as they say, without any bleaching or bleaching , well, a lot... which he wants to say first of all for society, for the community, and it is important to hear

and it is important to understand this war, when you are there, mr. andriy, thank you to see, congratulations, mutual glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, i want to say that we at one time, well, five years ago, or was it a long time ago, the 15th year chili pandriy comes to our studio for espresso and then he passed the battle under debaltsev, we also talked about it, that's why pandriy studied this war, saw knows, and feels, and when there is an opportunity to talk, one must listen to the people who today actually hold the sky above us and hold the enemy in those positions where the enemy is now and beat this enemy, i will say briefly, well with what happened, as well as for you to know the latest news, explosions are currently taking place in donetsk, which is occupied by the enemy, we will monitor and understand what happened there, and yesterday a large warehouse of enemy ammunition was blown up in the city, well , we know how nadon, now it has a different name, it is luhansk region, almost on the border with by the russian federation.

mr. andriy, i want to start with such a question, well, it will give an opportunity to understand, maybe better for our viewers, what is happening at the front, putin gave an order to stop the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine, in your opinion, please tell me whether the russian army is now able to stop counteroffensive, at which stage it is, how would you assess these efforts of the enemy to stop, regroup , repulse, your assessment, your opinion, please, thank you, i will correct you a little first, not near dobaltsevo, but near donetsk airport, under donetsk airport, yes, yes, yes, at the airport itself, look, well, my assessment will be that in fact, stop, uh, russia has been saying for a long time, but they, the further, the

more they are, in it, let's say, yes, they are not very successful, now, to put it briefly, it is, let's say, at such a, excuse me, at such a stage , that our troops have passed, it turns out a support strip, which is always in front of the first line of defense, which is almost at... the lowest point in the enemy's defenses are minefields, fortifications, barricades, areas that can be shot through, and when they have already reached to the first line of defense and occupied it, these are already occupied enemy fortifications and trenches, that is, there is a place for our infantry to establish themselves, rest, start, well, regroup, start a new wave, and when they have already reached the first line, then this is already an achievement and this

already, well, in principle, this is the result, and because of this, the enemy is worried, the enemy is getting nervous and the enemy is asking to stop this counter... offensive, but well, we will see the results later, i hope they will be even better, really, i have a lot more what can i say, let's go to mr. andrii, you know, we will build it our conversation, i will then ask questions, well, tangentially, so to speak, to what you want to tell, because again, mr. andrii wrote to me, since i know him, we decided to talk, pandriy wants to tell his vision. his understanding and the situation in the war, and he also has something to say to society, which today, well, one society, parts of society are supported by our armed forces, others are resting, walking and living their own lives, for them war supposedly does not exist, except that sirens sometimes sound, well, in some it is more in cities, in other places, but there is, and i think that we should listen to mr. andrii , we should listen to our defender, a warrior with great experience, the key points should

be voiced about the war as well, then, let me ask a question and you will be then in the course of answering this question, what you would like to say, what is important, yes, because it needs to be said, we need to hear it, and maybe we will understand our fighters better, and the fighters, i think, will understand better, our society is better, what i wanted, what i wanted to ask, and now there is such an information and psychological operation that is actively spreading on social networks, in particular on tiktok, i see a lot of such similar videos that somewhere if peace is not reached in early october, if this happens, then russia will start a real war, before that it was not a real war. please tell me, in your opinion, whether it is really , possible, possible, i am interested in the opinion , once again, of the military men who today pay with their blood and lives for this, for this victory, whether any negotiations are possible and again

anyway, is russia capable of starting something that it hasn't started before, and then you, when you answer this question, then you can continue... voice what you wanted to say, please, fine, thank you for understanding, look, my personal opinion, i believe that russia, in fact, the only thing that it can still use and use more than once, is its own mobilization, that is, its resource, namely human, er, it exceeds our resources, we all understand this, and this is probably her only strategic point at the moment er, a strategic advantage, but even after starting mobilization, although putin says that he already has 3,000 people under contract there, well, i think this is a bluff, firstly, and secondly, these are people who still

they need equipment, equipment, equipment, and first of all, this is training, and they have come for now even to the theater of combat operations, they will not play a decisive role, in this current situation, and well, you are right, this is probably another thing, i i don't even pay attention to such and such entrances and such and such information, there was already a lot of it during these, during this time, so well, why, why even waste your time on this, and talk about it, yes, they have... now they still have the opportunity to build their own, well , let's say, weapons, their own, some, means, rockets, but, but, well, they're not that different, they're not that impressive for us, it's already, well

, we see from our experience, the whole world sees, so that's all, well, it's conversations, conversations. this is their favorite trick and well, conversations are not business, business is always them, them, these are facts, well somehow yes, i may have answered your question, well, this is my personal one thought, that's it, mr. andriy, now let's do it, i know what you wanted , to talk about the war, what you wanted to express, it is very important to understand how the people who are now at the front assess the situation, how they assess challenges, how do they assess the load, i understand that the personnel military, like vykrema , you have been at the front for a long time, i even look at facebook like that, i have friends who are mobilized, and volunteers and those, personnel military, well, a little everywhere there is one's own understanding and one's own, one's own understanding of the war and one's experience of these burdens and difficulties, well

there are certain nuances here, of course, but i want to hear your opinion, exactly how the load is experienced, which people are currently lying down for a long time without rotation, this is also a fact, and you will not get anywhere from this, there are many other points, this is the first and second, if you address the society, because it is very important that you address, i could also say something to people for whom war does not exist, let's say, neither morally, nor mentally, nor materially at all, well, it does not exist, as if we live, but, but it is a completely different matter when a person who is on the line in this war will turn at the front, on the front line, and not some kind of informational conventional or economic or cultural front, on the real front, which is one front, we don’t have other fronts, so please take my word for it, to be honest, well, i don’t know if it's softer to say, but uh, uh, i think that those people who don't really pay attention to it, well , there's no point in paying attention either, there are people who care about it, there are

people who are tangential to it, there are people who live in it, there are people who sympathize with it, there are people who do not care about it, to these people who there is nothing to be indifferent to, they must either be ignored or possibly eliminated somehow, let’s say, eliminate as much as possible from the fact that they have some influence on our further future and on society in general, on its activities, well, that’s how i like it i can express, and turn to them, express some indignation there, something else , this, this is a waste of time and it seems to me that it is not for... what, i understand what you are talking about, i understand, i happen, rarely, but i visit kyiv and other big cities, and yes, there, sometimes it doesn’t

feel like there is a war, sometimes, but then the siren sounds, and everyone probably remembers it, well, for the most part, yes, young people , they, they, well, they want to rest, they want to somehow have fun and so on, some of them have a settled future, they have some plans connections, there may be parents and everything else, but these are not the people who are, say, the active faction of our people, our nation, who can create the future, and most importantly, it is the task of all other people, so that these people, no in any case, then they were nowhere, tangential to our government, you understand, these people never... must then come to some positions, to some ranks and so on, this is the main task, this is what i can tell people all that if you see that this person is not, let's say,

not concerned about our future, was not there in his past, there are no normal decent deeds there, i’m not saying service in the army, well, at least there, at least some normal ones, then don’t ever think of voting for these people, well, it’s such things that everyone should understand, well, but i’ll repeat this from myself, and yet i still want what hurts me also a little, of course, of course, please, mr. andriy, yes, yes, look, i want to say this very briefly, for everyone, maybe information, it may have already been and more than once, but it is important, now it goes like this,

the situation at the front, that there is no, uh, there is no great need, let's say, very much, to spend people on those , on those events that previously needed it, why, because the first war of drones is really going on, and that's all they repeated, probably who understands this, drones are coming, air drones are coming, sea drones are coming, drones are coming, even ground ones already and even among aerial drones, yes, there are already different directions, different categories , there, first of all, there are reconnaissance ones, there are bombers, kamikaze drones, they sometimes work much better than even artillery and aviation, that is, i called it that way for myself micro-aviation, which really eh, can now decide, at this stage, decide eh, the final of this war, and it's

mine. the view is not only mine, it is a very important component, we must pay almost all our attention to it, it is more important than even 16 attacks, and eh, the only thing i can to say that we were a little late with this, ours, volunteers , and the military said a lot about it, but unfortunately, the previous leadership of the ministry of defense there, it considered wedding... drones it called it there a year ago, still there the same mavics and so on and did not want to buy them, and then, before his release , the minister took pictures with drones and smiled and said that this was his initiative, in fact, and eh, i really, really want to now, when the enemy is already began to invest in it his funds, efforts, we can already see that we are not in it

lagged behind, this is a very important component, so that the same ukrabromprom... which, in fact , did not make an effort to do something in this direction, so that it would pay attention to it, although about ukrabanprom there are very difficult and difficult experiences there, unfortunately and maybe i'll say more about it if there's time, that is, this is what i wanted to say, it's first of all, drones, drones and again drones, everyone who helps, please and please, please...' attention is already being paid to it at all levels of government. mr. andriy, let me just ask you to illustrate a little it was clearer to our viewers, we do not say in which direction you are fighting, we will not clarify, well, if you want, you can put some pressure there yourself, if you don’t want it, then the point is not in this, you are exactly in the direction where our front line is there more than 1000 km, so we understand that it could be luhansk region, it could be donetsk region, it could be zaporizhzhia

, kherson region, and so on, but... so that people would understand just everyday, everyday wars, this war of drones, which we often we see a video of how these drones hit the enemy, we are in a great place we understand that these drones can and do hit, unfortunately, our soldiers, our fighters, so somewhere there are some opportunities to avoid somewhere, well, but still, we kill and unfortunately, they kill, they kill our soldiers too, therefore, it is on the one hand, it is a double-edged sword, and we hit, and they hit us, to put it simply, this is the predicted position. here you go, russian drones, how annoying they are, how often they appear, how to resist them, so that we simply understand how much the enemy is using now, i 'm talking about the lancets, those big ones that are there drones, if we're talking, and there's certainly smaller chinese drones that they're using, was it just understanding how difficult it is in this drone war and how much easier it would be if, say, we had two to three times the fleet on our side more,

at least please watch. well, in short, i will tell you a rather ordinary situation, how the assault is going on, both from our side and from the enemy’s side, it is practically, well, in many ways similar situations, that is, first of all there are these mavics, reconnaissance drones, which constantly monitor the situation in that direction, on which an assault is planned, they hang out there both day and night and look at how many are in positions, how many are entering , how many are leaving, they are asking to find out what weapons are going there, next, at a certain time, their preliminary artillery preparation is going on, i.e. pours on this position, orta there, everything that is possible, ages, everything that can be like this in this case, well,

it is necessary, further. there is an exit, an exit , a tank is coming ahead, maybe two, then several armored vehicles, on which the infantry are coming, it can be inside the bmp, it can be outside, it can be, well it doesn't matter, there are usually three, somewhere , units that carry infantry, the tank goes first and starts to open fire, it can reach the very position of the enemy, or it can stop somewhere behind 300-500 m, trade winds. from which there will be direct visibility and to suppress the infantry in their positions with their guns, that is, if there are two tanks , then it means two, at this time, these three are there , let's say armored infantry vehicles, they drive as close as possible to the position, cover this position with fire their own, well, heavy machine guns there, or the same guns bmp and so on, and i will drop off.