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chief of... the headquarters of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine from 2004 to the 20th year. sir andrii, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine. and glory to the heroes, good day. yes, i would like to hear. from one of the currently quite popular military experts, he is an aviator, this is roman svitan, and in his opinion, the events that took place in karabakh in the last few weeks, and i would like to remind you that an agreement was actually reached, according to which it ceases to exist the unrecognized nagorno -karabakh republic, from january 1, 2024 to september 28, 2023 , an agreement was reached, let's say, i don't even know what to call it,

but roman svitan spoke in favor of that all of erdogan's meetings with putin in sochi, and erdogan's own support for the azerbaijani side, such historical support, may indicate precisely about these events, in particular, that putin could get something in return, and these may be erdogan's concessions regarding crimea, i do not know and do not propose to share or now try to argue with this thesis , i would still like to hear your opinion, first of all, ayder, i would like to hear from you, as a representative of the crimean tatar people, on this matter and to talk with mr. andriy, well me short, because i'm really interested. what is the opinion of our guest, briefly i will say that the example of nagorno-karabakh, which was artificially created, because of, well, let's say directly , because of the war crimes of russia,

first of all, she was the headliner of this, of this movement, of the seizure of azerbaijani lands, there is not only karabakh, they also captured seven districts there, well, this is this finita , it shows that never, even for a long time... occupation is not eternal, and we are absolutely watching it , what is, what happens according to logic, and in relation to agreements between erdogan and putin, well, i'm not a supporter of conspiracy theories, you just know, it's probably about something else, i think that any influence on any events now is the greatest, should have the armed forces of ukraine, through the armed forces of ukraine, stop. .. to be afraid of russia, in principle, of various countries, including azerbaijan, which, before , well, let’s be frank, was afraid, yes, but now it’s nothing, but the fate of armenia is completely different, well, we see it, and

we see refugees, so what, but it also happens according to a certain logic, which we will all have to accept, because the borders, they are inviolable, and i think that... it's one way or another, armenia is also becoming anti-russian, well, look, they see that in principle, russia will surrender anyone, if it needs to, of course , i think that it’s just like that, well, it seems that he is there with erdogan with putin, but i don’t see dustrakh’s such a perspective here , putin’s advantages, and what did he get, well, actually nothing, but he humiliates, throws there, allegedly armenian, anyway she... threw them today or tomorrow and it would be better if it happened in not the bloodiest way, yes, in principle, that she will abandon armenia, i am absolutely sure, but armenia was always sure now, and armenia is now becoming an enemy of russia, well, this is another

achievement of putin's policy, well, what can i say, well done, please, that's the opinion , it really can be, and really. they said that during putin's meeting with erdoğan in sochi, there was a wide range of issues, not only the grain agreement, but there was also such information that they allegedly already divided the black sea, that is, roughly in half, between turkey and the russian federation for the zones of influence, in general, they agreed that they would not interfere there in any way, but well, all this is at the level of rumors, opinions and so on, well, as it were,

azerbaijan, he gradually left the field the influence of, say, russia and came under the influence of turkey, quite a long time ago, and we know this, in general, this is not the first year, this, and by the way, the azerbaijanis, they worked quite actively in terms of adapting nato standards and in in general, the azerbaijani army actually turned into, let's say, the turkish army, let's say according to its standards, according to the construction and so on, and so on. therefore, i understand that putin just looked, and in the situation he is in now, it is not the best, but the three-day special military operation in ukraine has already stretched for three years, and it is not clear what the results will be, well, i as i understand it, he simply decided to concentrate his forces on possible operations in ukraine, but i don’t think that this

in any way applies to crimea, because, well, in principle, turkey also understands that the presence of russia in crimea is actually a prerequisite for some kind of conflict with turkey, historically it was so, and in principle, well, they, i think so, understand it, they understand that crimea is in the hands of ukraine, it is most likely an economic recreation zone with a minimum of security forces, and if crimea is in the hands of the russian federation, then it will not sink an aircraft carrier with a very large contingent of forces for the projection of military power into the mediterranean sea into the atlantic ocean against nato, and i also understand that there, well, many

questions, i don’t think so, well, i ... worked a lot, well, with the turkish fleet, they have such a very clear, well, such a connection with the government and politics, by the way, i can say that the commander of the turkish fleet, his, well, let's say, official residence, it is located in a special quarter in ankara, directly opposite the residence of the prime minister of turkey, and well, in general, it is such a very big, let's say, honor to get there, and there are serious security measures, security measures, i can say that turkey, the turkish navy, they were the first who was very, let's say emotionally already in september 14th they said, let's say, in the military environment , that they do not recognize the occupation of crimea by the russian federation, that it is a war, well, at that time there were very, very careful assessments

of what was happening in our country. well, no one is serious again about this conflict, or rather the war, which is gaining momentum, they did not have such expectations, but here is another matter, that turkey really has many very interesting components, many, well, components of cooperation with the russian federation and opportunities, they play a certain role, well, again, i don't think that turkey went for an exchange of values, but , that means, occupied, or rather, crimea, ukrainian crimea, not russian crimea, this is really such a strategic value for them, they

always have this one.. . prove that even now, maybe they are smiling at putin, but putin can’t do anything, that’s why , well, i still think that if there were any, well, it was putin’s inner desire, just to close it as soon as possible this problem, so as not to count out, not to disperse the troops, and to deal with the situation in ukraine, because it, well, such... let's say, for him, ah, very , well, well, quite close to the collapse of his, any intentions there, and here, here, here, i think that most likely it is so. ugh, mr. andriy, i absolutely agree with you, here you should not think that erdogan wants to give something to putin, erdogan and in general, the turks, they will not give anything, and because, well, russia remains an enemy of turkey and whatever i didn’t say anything for the sake of diplomatic protocol, or sometimes

it seems to me that he is so pain-killing, he brings putin there, every time he says that he he trusts him, although in fact i am sure that no one trusts him and as long as crimean russia is a threat to turkey, well, the same as to ukraine, at the same time, ukrainian crimea is absolutely not, does not threaten turkey, it is just like two and two, it is absolutely clear and i think that turkey's policy, it's that, well, it's, they wait more than they act, it 's true, sometimes it annoys us, well, supposedly we treat each other well, and not supposedly, in principle, in principles, well, normal turks, they are for us, they definitely do not want to see russia's approach to you, you rightly noted that the military understands this too, and everyone knows what i wanted to ask you, not a political question, but a purely military one, more precisely, a naval one, and you can

now compare the power of the fleet, the turkish with the russian black sea fleet, i really don’t know how it is correct or incorrect here, because ... how is turkey’s fleet distributed across the seas or not, but in principle, that is, putin understands that the turkish fleet is powerful, and they are developing it , this is an armed, new fleet, unlike the black sea, which was, no, not the most powerful, even under the soviets, the russian one as well, and now it is under threat, it is hiding there, from ukraine, this is how the ratio of powers looks like in your opinion. these fleets? well, unequivocally, the turkish fleet, it is several times more powerful than the russian one, well, i, well, just as it were, i can say very quickly, maybe it is three to one, in favor of turkey, at least, and because, well, the matter in the fact that

most of the turkish fleet is in the mediterranean sea, and they, again, considering such a serious... business relations, they are careful about it, but i mean about a possible conflict with the russian federation at sea, although only the turkish fleet, it’s votsad, you see, it’s a unit of special forces, i think it’s somewhere in the bosphorus, specially they have these teams, this, this is their first, first to go, this, meko 200, this is a carvavel that was made from germany, this, this was also transferred by the united states, they have over 20 frigates in toorak, and they are equipped with missile weapons , they have many submarines, many more

than the russians, at least four times, they have a very serious aviation, the f-16s, which they want to exchange for the f-35, they are integrated into the ling system, the nater system in the instructions of the turkish fleet, only at the expense of the turkish fleet can russia be sorry blocked in my ports. these are their boats, they are very nice boats, you see, they have four missiles each, this is my dream for the navy of ukraine, that's why, well, these are american arley bjorks, that's why, well, they have serious potential, but well, politically, they behave . very restrained in terms of the use of force, although when it is essential, remember the story with the flight of the su-24 over a small territory of turkey, they did not hesitate to press the fire button and shoot down that plane, well, there

are peculiarities here, well, in general , i think that they are mainly due to business, but well, in terms of training, the turkish is very well prepared, it is one of the best , well, maybe in terms of training, well, in the north atlantic alliance, and in terms of the level of training and in terms of total combat capabilities, that is by the way, they are many things took both the united states and britain , they very actively developed their military-industrial complex in terms of shipbuilding, they adapted technologies, they... their shipbuilding school, built their shipyards, took under, took these licenses for the construction of submarines, they themselves build original german-made submarines, they build their own ships, 25 years ago, this was impossible for turkey, but they, well

, you see, due to such internal discipline, they are very serious rushed forward in this direction, mr. andriy. so mr. andriy, why did i still subconsciously ask about this, because when i saw this footage, as you talked about it, this is the future of the ukrainian fleet, you just have to think about it, and our fleet should become as powerful as the turkish one , and then there won't be any talk at all about the fact that russia is claiming something there, and so after the victory of ukraine, it will happen, ukraine is a great maritime power and it should be like that, well, so far we have really made it. we only dream, but also without fleet, actually a large one, so ukraine is fighting quite successfully, please tell me, this is also a purely military issue, these attacks with... and the missiles that have already been transferred to ukraine are, in principle, such a thing, well, in

the near future the prospects of the verdict for the possibility of the russian black sea fleet to attack ukraine, that is, they base a lot of things there and fire at us from ships, and how will this change, how can it change the situation in crimea and in the black sea in particular, in your opinion, well, we now have two such serious arguments: the modernized neptune rocket, which fires at targets on the coast, and the storm shadow missile, which also fires in the same mode, and is suitable for attacks, and these three, let's say, means, plus a huge number of unmanned aerial vehicles, which are also very necessary, during these attacks , and they can really be involved in the destruction of the enemy's critical military structure, and airfields, and points and control points of various headquarters, and logistics structures and

ship bases, because in principle, the peculiarity is that the russians base their ships, when they are in the bases, they use the so-called mediterranean method, setting up to the berth, that is, when the rudder means they are set to the berth and two anchors are added and a very large cluster of ships is obtained and in the case of thrusting, for example, attackcoms with a ot with a combat unit, a cluster is like it's called a cluster with a cluster warhead, it can be destroyed in a significant area, but just ships, other equipment that are located

next to each other, that is, in principle, i think that such a strategy, it was chosen, it began to be implemented, and such moments were found that could distract such a rather powerful system of pppo, the enemy, but such mechanisms exist, i think that this will continue, the main thing here is that we have well, if only we were supplied with this equipment, well, we see that there are such trends, mr. andriy, the analytical house, some note that the russian side continues to search for some more or less safe place for what at this stage is from their black sea fleet, and is now observed virtually without rebasing their ships from sevastopol to feodosia, they think that it will be safer there, i don’t know, less with what we understand, in ukraine, despite everything,

the idea of ​​almost a mosquito fleet is being implemented right now, when in fact we we cannot talk about any large combat power at sea, but we are able to stall, as they say, enemy ships in various ways and make it so that they do not come closer to some more or less safe distance for them, we all watched how the headquarters was affected of the black sea fleet, our special operations forces are currently collecting information about who died, who has not yet been identified , and so on, i have the following question: how much is the level of efficiency and controllability of the black sea fleet in general decreasing, taking into account their top management, well, management bodies

- this is the basis of conducting hostilities, this is the basis of the management system, and in principle , together with this, well, as headquarters , these are control points, these are communication points, the surveillance system, that is, we see that all four of these are components of the management system , they are impressed, that is, the building of the headquarters of the black sea fleet, which means the headquarters element that was there, we see that now, that at least there were more than 100 people there, here is a protected command post in the form of a communications center, a communications center yazka, we also see that paradars are being beaten, well, this is serious, i can't specifically tell you the percentage , the military can say that, because there are special calculations, you need to... know the situation in detail, but let's say, with from the point of view of strategy, it is absolutely true, it is a gradual

sharpening of the combat potential the opponent, and he makes it up precisely from his physical strength, that is, all the weapons that he has, and manpower and equipment, by the way, this is also a moral state, in terms of moral state it is very, so he beats the enemy, therefore what if, after the second world war, there was not a single case when something flew past the headquarters of the black sea fleet without authorization, two missiles hit it, each with more than 300 kg of explosives and took out almost the entire central part of this building, that is why it affects , it has a negative effect, i want to say that well the russians really, after these attacks on sevastopol, they gradually, they brought out submarines, novorossiysk, they had one submarine, well, combat-ready, and well, the new

one is a little older, they transferred it to novorossiysk, they a little... well they have the fact that feodosia does not take many ships, there were a couple of landing ships there, there were ships in kirchishchi, there were in novoozorny, but well, they cannot take out all the ships of sevastopol, just like the sea of ​​azov, they also say, there ships from the draft is no more than 7 meters, that is , frigates and corvettes will not go there either, there may be amphibious ships there, again, they need to be based somewhere, but the ships are quite large, they need special points. basing under them, that is, there, these attacks, they, well, if they act, to reduce the combat potential of the enemy, and in general, i can’t say specific numbers, but what is strategic, the true concept, is 100%, well and mr. andriy, what remains of

the enemy's air defense capabilities in crimea, can we rely on any data, at least approximate, well, we know that there are at least four s-400 systems, there are tor systems, there are panzer systems, and here is a detailed, detailed map, our development, again, this is all sequential, i understand that these strikes here in sevastopol, they were possible after we destroyed the segment of the pppo system in the western part. peninsula, but there are many systems, and when we use missile weapons, and this city was not covered, they throw a new pppo system, so when we hit chongar, they sent the s-400 there, which was brought all the way from the far east, and what ways do they bring it, after all, through the crimea or through the land so-called corridor, well, it is possible through

a railway, railway crossing, it is working now. trains go, that is, road traffic is limited there now, but for cars, i don’t think they will risk it, although it is possible, most likely they transport them on the platform, because the railway bridge, it is still working, it is sooner than everything is like that, well, in the crimea, if it is chongar, then of course, sooner than later all this was through this corridor, which is now still under their control, that is, well, it's already ... another thing is that the systems themselves, they don't have much left, because they have to cover both moscow and other places, and well, russia is, well, it is very large in terms of territory, but they don’t have enough, you see, now they don’t have enough pppo systems to cover their cities, well, we look at where it is not covered and then launch some talented drone there, which

there is something, which means it is doing something. no, let's not forget that the wardrobe, especially a large one, falls especially loudly, so it seems to me that this principle is very successful, and is very suitable for comparison with russia. thank you, mr. andriy, for joining our program together, beraber, andriy ryzhenko , captain of the first rank of the reserve, deputy chief of staff of the navy of the armed forces of ukraine was with us from 2004 to the 20th year. ayder, thank you for the fact that we had the opportunity to meet and talk. about crimea, until the next meetings, beraber together.