[000:00:00;00] the air temperature will drop, there will be local rains, insignificant, small, but nevertheless, the air will become substantially fresher, carefully follow the updated forecasts on the espresso channel, good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish you all the best. health, today in the program, have they taken into account the mistakes of the predecessors, the transparency of purchases and the production of weapons, which the new team of the ministry of defense promises. war until 2025, russia has such plans, and what will be the answer to this ukraine? are you really tired of helping how the election campaign in the usa will affect support

for ukraine? strengthening. for the occupiers, will iran transfer hypersonic missiles to russia and how will this change the situation on the front? about this and other things, today we will talk with our guests, they are the colonel of the armed forces of ukraine in the reserve, petro chernyk, and the people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the sbu, valentyn nalyvaichenko. however, before starting our conversation, let's look at the consequences of today's attack by the russian invaders on the territory avdiivskogo coke chemical plant. water, one of the rockets hit the naphthalene storage warehouse,

luckily there were no casualties. for those who are... watching us live on youtube please like this video and also take part in our poll, today we are asking you this, do you support ukraine joining nato, yes no, and this it would seem like a rhetorical question now, but we are asking to make sure that 100% of our audience thinks as we do, that ukraine should be in the north atlantic alliance, and this is related with what we met today: guests from the north atlantic alliance in kyiv, but all in turn, the colonel of the armed forces of ukraine in zapasiv, the military expert petro chernyk, is in touch with us. mr. colonel, good evening and glad to see you on our air. glory to ukraine! glory to the heroes. two defense ministers of france and great britain, sébast lecorne and grand chaps, as well as the secretary general

of the north atlantic visited ukraine today. alliance jens stoltenberg, what do you think this triple visit to the ukrainian capital is connected with, our the main allies and people who determine in what way they support ukraine in the russian-ukrainian war. this means that ukraine remains on the radar of world geopolitics and that the actual accession of ukraine to nato is closer than ever, as it is today, well, really, what will happen is that we need to be patient and go the way that we have to go, personally, as a citizen and as an analyst, i firmly stand on the position that there is no alternative to nato, of course it would be great if the us army entered the territory ukraine, but this is a very unlikely scenario. today, during the briefing with stolteng, zelensky spoke about the prospects of cooperation with the alliance, let's listen to zelensky.

today it is already. the conversation of de facto allies and the question of when ukraine will de jure become a member of the alliance. we are doing everything to bring this time closer. ukraine already defends the common space of freedom that unites all nato members, and a victory for ukraine in this unprovoked and criminal war unleashed by russia is guaranteed to ensure long-term security and peace not only for our country, but for the entire continent. mr. colonel, after all, before our victory over russia, are any steps possible regarding ukraine's accession to nato, we know the promise of the north atlantic alliance that ukrainians will definitely be in the alliance, and we are waiting for the washington summit, which will be the anniversary of nato, and still, are there any other

options. because european security and security in the world are now undergoing very serious changes, and it is clear that what was usually, in pre-war times, the main thing for nato and the main principles, can they change during the war, because well, this same block was created to ensure security, including on the european continent, and why can't they, they can, but let's go, if we go a little into the historical retrospective of the development of this bloc, we understand that the united states of america is primarily blocked by 80, or even 90%, if there is a political will of the global american establishment to apply ukraine to nato, then believe me, this issue will be resolved very... quickly and very high quality i will remind you how turkey was accepted into nato in 1959, 52, sorry, year, then turkey did not have a lot of all kinds of problems, from economic to human rights, with the most diverse issues of corruption and the like,

everything was far from simple and in part of the so-called the second wave of expansion, which began after the collapse of the soviet union and the destruction of the warsaw defense bloc, there were also problems with corruption... including in romania and bulgaria, but nato, primarily the usa, had to close the southern flank , and they are it done very quickly and very qualitatively, it is my deep and firm belief that the main player in this process will be played by the united states of america, well, but we understand very well that there is a threat from trump, who uses rhetoric that the united states will withdraw from nato, so far not everything is so simple and unambiguous, the world has clearly entered a deep zone of turbulence, security, as it is until the fifth international system appears, or the fourth yalta system is completely crossed out, it will be in that zone of turbulence, and when it appears, well, it really question of a very serious and large order. today , reuters

reported following the meeting between zelenskyi and stolteng in kyiv that nato signed contracts for the supply of ammunition to ukraine in the amount of €2,400 million. a few days ago... that's why the russians flaunted the fact that the west is not keeping up with the russian military machinery , which produces a lot of weapons, which is rearming, and is converting the majority of factories to military rails, which, they say, very quickly both in europe and in the united states of america , those stocks which earlier there were missiles and other weapons, medvedev says that the conflict between moscow and nato will definitely happen, and on land, he says that it is, that it is simply inevitable, what do you think, eh, where here, just the rhetoric that works

for the russian domestic consumer ends, and the kremlin's desire to try its hand at confrontation with the north atlantic alliance, in a direct conventional confrontation. the russian federation with northern anlens has no chance, none, russia is doomed, they cannot cope with the 15th the army of the world, i mean us ukrainians , well, what can be said about a huge collective event, which in terms of human potential alone is half a billion people, in fact it may be even more, because we still need to add the united states of america and canada, which necessarily, if it comes to such a conflict, they will be drawn into it, but there is one fundamental point: i do not believe that nato can enter this war in any way until there is an obvious attack. what is the obviousness of the attack should happen the latest

pearl harbor, like on december 7, 1941, the japanese almost completely sank the american pacific fleet with the exception of a few aircraft carriers there, until then the americans did not move, this is how it should be now, forgive me for my cynicism, until the rocket flies to berlin or warsaw, don't let this happen and it won't be obvious that this is a russian missile, until there is no talk about the ground phase of nato's war against russia, there can't even be imo, that is, russian drones flying from the territory of ukraine, which is being hit russian invaders on territory of romania, is not yet enough to talk about the fact that nato will perceive it as a military threat? in general. there must be obviousness of the attack, the missile must explode , there must be casualties, oh my god, it is among civilians, or some military object must be affected, that is , the obviousness must be one hundred percent, it must be so evident that it cannot

be denied, the drone can fly into romania, explode somewhere in some forest, everyone will know that it is a russian drone, but this is too little evidence that something really serious was beginning. mr. colonel, this week the minister of defense of the russian federation serhiy shoigu said that they plan to conduct a so-called special military operation in ukraine until 2025 and to complete it by 2025, taking into account the resources and the capabilities that the russian federation currently possesses , can russia withstand this great military marathon, because this marathon is not only a competition with the ukrainian side, but it is a competition with an event that is currently actively helping ukraine and promising even more help in

opposed to the russian federation. in terms of full support, weapons cannot and will not last, they no longer have the huge potential that the soviet union had, they can produce a maximum of 25 tanks per month, new t-90s from scratch, of course they put strategic non-nuclear missiles on the assembly line, such as x1013 m14 caliber, x-47 m2 dagger in the range from 60 to 80, well, maybe together with short-range missiles such as kh-31, kh-35, kh-50. the nines, which deliver blows from 110 to 300 km, can still do all this for a while, but there is a nuance, there is a very serious nuance, which is called human potential, unfortunately, at least up to 15 million men who can pick up a kalashnikov assault rifle and die for their family, for putin, for vilychi, they have . we are well aware that the practical, classic military defeat of russia in ukraine is equal to the death of putin, this is obvious. will fight for his life as long as necessary,

if it is necessary to kill a million, two, three, five russians in ukraine, he will kill them, so really we do not have to exhale, as a matter of fact, the strategic military potential is clearly on the side of civilized humanity, 53 countries are included in the so-called ramstein site, it is nothing but an anti-putin, in fact anti-russian coalition, but the flywheels are spinning and it is impossible to say that the russians have completely exhaled vertue, this signal that shoigu gave, it is really very simple to decipher, he gave a signal to his own people, we will fight, he gave us a signal that they will not accept an independent ukraine under any circumstances, he gave a signal to a collective action, that they are ready to go to the end, but we know very well that the real master of the universe is a chance, these are not my words, these are the words of napoleon bonaparte, and he can turn the whole modern reality upside down, and in my opinion it will , the question is only where and under what circumstances, the brightest mind of the planet earth will not undertake to predict this.

well, for now, analysts of the institute for the study of war, an american one, predict that from october 18 iran can supply long-range missiles to russia, because on this day the resolution expires un security council, which prohibits the legal sale of missiles with a range of more than 300 km. today he spoke about the possibility of supplying such missiles at a joint press conference with jens stoltenberg and volodymyr zelenskyi, let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. today there is information from our relevant authorities and partners that there is still no fact of iran selling missiles to the russian federation, our services are in contact with partners and are dealing with this issue. well , actually, why are american analysts talking

about the possible sale of these missiles to of the russian federation, because in august of this year the minister of defense of the russian federation sergei shoigu, during the military exhibition in moscow, was at the stand of the iranians, who were demonstrating the capabilities of such missiles, long-range missiles, in the second half of september , during a visit to tehran, shoigu discussed the military as far as these countries, iran, north korea, who is there or in this axis of evil, well indirectly china, can through north korea, as far as they can help the russian federation, withstand this marathon that sheigu spoke about until 2025 of the year, in which part they definitely can, shaheds 131, 136 are working at full strength, and this is a rather serious weapon that we can neither cancel nor ignore, of course, we shoot down most of it, but unfortunately, something still

flies in, in in one part 11 kg of warhead in another 50, this is like a full-fledged artillery projectile quite a lot, let's say, the same iran and north korea have a certain weapons potential, unequivocally, this is how north korea grew from the same root with russia from the soviet union, they have all the main artillery on those calibers that russia has, and north korea has never stopped its weapons factories, especially for the production of shells and other ammunition, or have something in the accumulated mode as a matter of course, but it is not those 2 million, where now very.. . is rapidly accelerating in our information space, that they will give the russians and that's it, we can't stand the end, we will stand it, why? at the beginning of this war , the russians had a space reserve of artillery shells of all calibers from 15 to 20 million. this is an incredible amount, the entire us army had 2.5 millions, and russia is still the leader

in the production of projectiles in monthly figures of 130,000, the americans by 50,000, if they go out now for this fall, then it will be for real. very good, and what about the artillery ramparts, which have no precedents since the second world war, for a year and a half they cannot solve the issue of advancing further than bakhmut, so we have advanced in some ways, so we occupied the south, so it will be very difficult, but if we still if we endure, then we will endure in the future, fath 110 and sulfikar, it is precisely these missiles that are quite serious from 300 up to 700 km the task of strikes, ballistic, so we understand, this is a very high speed. somewhere in the range from 4 to 9,000 km, depending on the configuration of the missile , the warhead is quite heavy, in the range of 600-650 km, but even their supersonic or hypersonic weapons were raised, as they say daggers, behind 10,000 everything poured out over ukraine, i i mean, all classes

of missiles from shaheda, hard, painful, painful, but so far they have not been able to break the course of the war, and if at the beginning of the war, not having any barrel artillery of the attack. sample not having a single anti-aircraft complex of the nato model, we survived, so now we need only one thing - patience, patience and once more patience, because in this war only two things will win: logistics, it is much greater in nato than in russia, and even if we include iran and north korea, patience is also greater, and we need to gain all this. last week, mr. colonel, volodymyr zelenskyi met with the president of the united states of america, joseph biden, after which newsweek appeared information about the possibility that russia and the united states of america will still provide ukraine with atakams and taurus long-range missiles , so far, the germans are also in no hurry to give

the ukrainians the extent to which the lack of these missiles are currently in service, inhibiting our counteroffensive and, in general, to the extent that they restrain ukrainians or do not allow to create... some kind of parity on the russian-ukrainian front. not that parity, if we got a sufficient number, first of all, atacism in the direction of taurus is not worth looking at, as the weapon that breaks the course of the war firstly, there are very few of them, the germans declare only 150 units , we understand that they will not hand over everything, even if they give 50 units, they do not scold the course of the war, plus it is an air-based cruise missile, everything is very difficult with an airplane , he must rise into the air, go to the launch line, carry out. go back, su 34 is a big machine , the russians are watching it, well, not just one machine , in general, our airfields, they are constantly pouring something there, we have to lift them into the air to save them and so on, it’s a long the philosophy of using such missiles, but atakams in large numbers can turn the tide of war on a specific bridgehead and

generally help win this war, the question of quantity, atakams is unique in that, first, it is a quasi-ballistic missile 5-400 km/h. very seriously fired from m-142 hymars and m-270, you are just now showing hymars, one rocket will be, it can be used from it, reloading speed, some 15-20 minutes, the car is mobile, launched, moved a few kilometers, again carried out, again several kilometers, again, behind him by trucks, and this is all done at night, the enemy cannot see it , there are enough ready-made launch containers, the question of quantity is very serious, they will give a few dozen, it is good that we will destroy something, somewhere we will improve something, we will speed it up somewhere, and if we gave a few hundred , a few hundred, there are over 4,000 in the warehouses , conditionally a good thousand, literally in a month's time it can allow us to reach the shelter of the perekop isthmus and seriously approach almost to mariupol. sir colonel, over the past few weeks

we have been watching the ukrainian defense forces destroy military infrastructure on the crimean peninsula. first this. pppo systems, which ours destroyed, then the command post near sevastopol, and the headquarters of the black sea fleet of the russian federation, information has already appeared that the russians are now trying to transfer part of the ships with calibers to feodosia sevastopol, in particular, the corvette, buyan m and one corvette karakurt and at least two minesweepers of the alexandrite project and big. amphibious assault ship of project 775. in your opinion, under what conditions will the russians be generally intolerable on the crimean peninsula, because they are now trying to redeploy... some way, regroup, and this is still possible, after the ukrainians

cut this the land corridor that you are talking about, that is, having reached mariupol and in this way creating a peninsula , well, in fact, an island, if the crimean bridge is destroyed, they really will not have an overflow, when the crimean... mitz goes under water, it can make only long-range ones missiles, by the way, the same attacks could reach them, because if you look strictly in a straight line, let's say from kirchi, and somewhere over there, that bridge is located in that location to gulyai field, which is under our control within 250 km, that is, hymars would have another 50 km of leeway for my own security, but to turn crimea into a firework, aviation is needed, aviation has declared f-16 61 vehicles, by the way, a good number, i personally did not expect that such a number would be declared to us at once, but

weapons are important , who will go to him, is simply there a fantastic missile called agm158 jason, unique, good, high-speed, can hit moving objects anywhere, including ships, the most important thing is the range of 980 km, crimea from north to south, some 250 km, well, maybe a little more, so f16 can cause s calmly struck somewhere from the middle of ukraine, without exposing themselves to any danger, danger, question whether such weapons will be provided, so far not a single shred of information, except that literally in the last package went aim-9 missiles, just with their help, it will be very convenient to fight cruise missiles, that is, it seems to me that the first six 12 machines will work primarily as flying missile complexes, so these long-range... missiles would help solve the problems of crimea and the entire occupation army there within the limits of which a month

of these mentioned missiles, there are also a lot more than 5,000 , the question is how many will be provided and whether they will not provide this particular missile. during the last few days, mr. colonel, russian propaganda is actively trying to show the commander of the black sea fleet of the russian sokolov of the federation, who according to our data, according to the ukrainian side, was killed in sevastopol during an attack on the headquarters of the black sea fleet of the russian federation, and part of the video, which is broadcast on the central russian tv channels, can be seen to be archived, dated back there, in august , because there is even this headquarters of the black sea fleet of russia, still intact, where the commander stands and talks about the handing over, well, here is this video, this video from the end of august, in your opinion, what happened to the headquarters in general. whose fleet and why is russia actively trying to show that

everything is calm, the commander is alive, well, maybe he is alive , god knows, but the fact that russia is commenting so actively means that our informational and psychological special operation continues successfully and reaches the kremlin, including, but here it is necessary to talk exclusively about the elite part of the russian federation, because the sheep who go to the spell do not care whether it is alive or a man, whether it is not alive or a man, but we remember that propaganda must work no matter what, the old well -tested hebliv principle if propaganda becomes obvious, it weakens by force, this is the element of making propaganda implicit, they save face and will continue to do so in the future, it is extremely important to keep their whole population in good shape, tyranny is only loyal to it. there is no loyalty of the masses, there is no tyrant, well, this is the foundation of any propaganda, and especially of the type that

is built by them, and for us we remember one fundamental rule that the more, the more russians we enable now, the easier it is for our the grandson will fight with them in the next inevitable russian-ukrainian war. together with the story about the commander of the black sea fleet of the russian federation sokolov, russian propagandists, well , in particular in solo... will discuss strikes on possible strikes on american bases in the world, let's see how it all happens. in the framework of the big statement of these senators who say that thank god the russians are dying, the ukrainians are killing them and not one american soldier has died, still i would strongly think that we need to do something so that the american soldiers

began to die, the number of military bases to the whole world, they have... today, with the presence of a swarm of drones , where did they come from, who flew them, 99% of them will be described on any drone, yes, that ’s a conversation, yes, and what was attached to it, i i'm sorry, there is a shell from nurs, and it could be an american one, and today a ukrainian drone went astray, to establish zones of serious instability around the world, this is a very real task, which for today is to make the americans think that they are not doing so well, sir colonel what will happen to the russians when they start dying american soldiers? we have already talked about it, if there is evidence of an attack, i emphasize, evidence, proof, serious proof, the us army will be forced to answer, in what way, i don’t know, they have enough forces and means, they just have the sixth fleet in the mediterranean the sea has enough means

of aircraft carrier groups, scattered across europe. many troops of the same poland , including, and i must remind you that the f-22s have been redeployed from italy to poland, this is quite serious, and the avax iresentri has already been sent to the baltic states, well, i think that americans take seriously what the enemy says, the good old israeli principle, if your enemies say they want to kill you, you have to take it seriously, and how far it will go is impossible to predict, the world is teetering on the brink... of a very serious open conflict on a global scale, this is definitely true, we are in the conditional october of 1939, then hitler could still be stopped with less blood, he was stopped with more, well, it was stopped, it is possible to stop the russians, but there are too many questions, on which there are no answers. for example, what are these questions, but the west has enough resources to finalize

the russian-ukrainian war, why, just one, just one question, one to which there is no... answer, i am very carefully monitoring the serious ones, in first of all by american politicians, not so much as analysts, with such deep content, such quality, who really understand it, there is no answer to one fundamental question, how to win the war, it can be finished in a month, believe me, in a month we can win the war and get out to the borders of 1991, weapons, weapons and more weapons, the americans have a hell of a lot of them, but a victory in this form can trigger... a reaction to the collapse of russia, america is not ready for such a scenario, empty siberia, where there are enormous material resources, and we we live in a capitalist world, no one in their right mind wants to give to the chinese, and the chinese said that it is theirs anyway, if not now then in 100 years, they are ready to wait, there is no answer to this question and i will not give it, that is, the main question , what will happen to russia,

and not what will become of the nuclear weapons now in putin's hands. in that, nuclear weapons, if at all objectively and honestly, are taken under control within two weeks , this is not exactly no no no problem, the division is calling, the throats have very good means of destruction, starting from the super-heavy superstalion helicopter, ending with v-22 convertibles ospreys and the newest v24 plus and with a classic conventional landing party that can drop, well, land with a bp-52, it’s just not a problem, they fight to the last for they know where everything is, but the new one monster, if someone thinks that the chinese are a smaller monster than russia, they are deeply mistaken, and the new monster is many times bigger than russia in all senses and in its tyrannical thoughts in the expulsion of sidzempin, including, this is really a puzzle that has not yet been solved tied thank you, mr. peter, for participating in the program, it was petro chernyk, a colonel of the armed forces of ukraine

in the reserve, a military expert. friends, we are working live on the tv channel. press, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on on youtube, please like our video so that it can be promoted in youtube trends, and take part in our vote, because today we are holding a rather principled vote, although the answer to it, as if to this question, is obvious, and yet yes, let's record whether you support ukraine's accession to nato, yes no , we will announce the results of the vote at the end of this program , people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine, valentin nalivatchenko, mr. valentin, i congratulate you, glad to see you on our air. good evening, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. mr. valentin, today is quite a busy day for the north atlantic alliance in kyiv. the two ministers of defense, great britain, france, the secretary general of nato, jens