[000:00:00;00] to argue with this thesis, i would still like to hear your opinion, first of all, ayder, i would like to hear from you, as a representative of the crimean tatar people, on this matter and to talk with mr. andriy, well, i will be brief, because i am really more interested in the opinion of our guest , in short, i will say that the example of nagorno-karabakh, which was artificially created, because of, well, let's say it directly , because of war crimes and russia in the first place, it was she who was the main headliner of this movement, the seizure of azerbaijani lands, is no longer there only karabakh, there are seven they still captured the districts, well, this is this finita, it shows that even a long-term occupation is never eternal, and we are absolutely watching this, well , what is happening, what is happening according to logic, and what about

erdogan’s agreement and putin. well, i'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, you just know, it's probably about something else here, i think that any influence on any events, now the biggest is the armed forces of ukraine, because of the armed forces of ukraine, they stop being afraid of russia, in principle , different countries, and including azerbaijan, which before, well, let's be frank, was so afraid, but now there is nothing, but the fate of armenia is absolutely the same, well, we see it, and we see refugees, so what, but this also happens according to a certain logic , which we will all have to accept, because the borders, they are inviolable, and i think that this is one way or another, armenia is also becoming anti-russian, well, they see that, in principle, russia surrenders anyone if it needs it, of course, i think that he is not just

like that, well, it seems that he is there erdogan is with putin, but i don’t see such a very promising prospect here, the advantages of putin, and what did he get, well, in fact, nothing, well, he humiliates, abandons, allegedly, the armenians, anyway , russia abandoned them, today or tomorrow, and it’s better will not happen in the bloodiest way, yes, but in principle, the fact that she will abandon armenia, i am absolutely sure, but armenia was always sure now, and armenia. now he is becoming an enemy of russia, well, this is another achievement of putin's policy, well, what can i say, well done, please, well, such an opinion, it really can be, but they really said that during the meeting between putin and erdogan in sochi, there was a wide range of issues, not only the grain agreement, but

also... such information also about the fact that they allegedly already divided the black sea, which means in half, between turkey and the russian federation for the zones of influence, in general, they agreed that they would not interfere there in any way, but well, all this is at the level of these rumors, opinions and so on, well, what about azerbaijan, it is so gradually left the field of influence. let's say russia and came under the influence of turkey quite a long time ago, and this is us we know, in general, this is not the first year, it’s the azerbaijanis, by the way, they worked quite actively in terms of adapting nato standards and practices in general, in fact, the azerbaijani army turned, let’s say, into a turkish one,

let's say, according to their standards, according to the construction and so on, that's why i understand that putin just looked, and the situation in which he is now is not the best, but the three-day special military operation in ukraine has already stretched for three years , and it is not clear what the results will be, well, i do i understand, he just decided to concentrate his forces on possible operations in ukraine, but i don't think that this is related to crimea in any way, because, well, in principle, turkey also understands that the presence of russia in crimea is, in fact, a prerequisite for some kind of conflict with turkey, historically, it was so, and in principle, well, they, i think so, that they understand it, they understand that crimea is in the hands of ukraine, it is

most likely a recreational zone with a minimum of security forces, and if crimea is in the hands of the russian federation, then we will not sink an aircraft carrier from very with a big...' ggentom of power for the projection of military power, the mediterranean sea into the atlantic ocean against nato, and i also understand that, there, well, many questions, i don't think, well, i worked a lot, well, with the turkish fleet, they have such a very clear, well , such connection with the government, with politics, by the way, i can say that the commander of the turkish fleet, well, i'll tell him. official residence, it is located in a special quarter in ankara, directly opposite the residence of the prime minister of turkey, and well, in general, it is so very

it is a great, let's say, honor to get there, there are such serious facilities without security measures, i can say that the turks of the turkish navy, they were the first who very, let's say emotionally already in september of 14th year said, well, let's say, in the military environment that they do not recognize the occupation of crimea by the russian federation, that it is a war. well, in that period of time, there were very, very careful assessments of what was happening in our country, well, no one was serious , again, this conflict, or rather the war, which was gaining momentum, they, well, there were no such i'm waiting here's another thing, that really turkey has many very interesting components, many components of cooperation

with the russian federation, and sometimes, well , as it were, these business opportunities, they play a certain role, but again, i don't think so , that turkey... went to the exchange of values, which means that occupied, or rather, crimea , ukrainian crimea, not russian crimea, is really such a strategic value for them, they always prove their thesis, even now, maybe they are smiling at putin there, but putin can't do anything, but the poet, well, i still think that if there were any, well , it was putin's inner desire to simply close this problem as quickly as possible, so as not to count down, not to disperse the troops and, well,

to deal with the situation in ukraine , because she is so, let's say, for him very, well, quite close to the collapse of his, any intentions there, that's it, that's it, i think that most likely, that's right, ugh, mr. andriy, i absolutely agree with you , here you should not think that erdogan wants to give something to putin, erdogan and turks in general, they will not give anything, and because russia remains an enemy of turkey and an old one, no matter what erdogan says there for the sake of diplomatic protocol, or sometimes, it seems to me that he is so pain-killing, he brings to putin what he says every time there , that he trusts him, although in fact i am sure that no one trusts him. and as long as crimea is occupied by russia, it is a threat to turkey, well, the same as it is to ukraine, at the same time, ukrainian crimea is absolutely not, does not threaten turkey, it's just two and two,

it's absolutely clear, and i think that politics the thing about turkey is, yes, it is, they wait more than they act, it's true, and sometimes it annoys us, well, supposedly we treat each other well, and not supposedly, in principle, in principle. well, normal turks, they are for us, they definitely do not want to see russia approaching them, you correctly noted that the military understands this and everyone, you know what i wanted to ask you, it is not a political question, it is purely a military, more precisely a naval issue, and you can now compare the power of the turkish fleet with the russian black sea fleet, i really do not know how it is correct or incorrect here, because how the turkish fleet is distinguished by the seas or not, but in principle , that is, putin understands that the turkish fleet is powerful, and they are developing it, it is an armed, new fleet, unlike

from the black sea, which was, no, not more powerful, even than the soviet ones, or the russian one as well, and now it is under threat, it is hiding there, from ukraine, this is how, in your opinion, the ratio of the powers of these fleets looks like. well, unequivocally, the turkish fleet is several times more powerful than russian, well, i, well, just like that, i can say very well, maybe it’s three to one in favor of turkey, at least, and because, well, the fact is that the majority of the turkish fleet is located in the mediterranean sea, and well they, again, given such serious business relations , they are cautious about this, but i mean a possible conflict with the russian federation at sea, although only turkish. here he is, here is the garden, you see, this is a special forces unit

, i i think it's somewhere in the bosphorus this is specially they have such teams, here, this is their first, first to go, this, meko 200, this is a corvette that was made from germany, this is a turkish corvette, like ada, this is olry, a ship, this was also transferred by the united states , they have more than 20 frigates in the turks, and they are equipped with missile weapons. they have a lot of submarines, much more than the russians, at least four times, they have a very serious air force, f16, which they want to exchange for f-35, they are integrated into the link system, the nato system, the issuance of target designations, the turkish navy , only at the expense of turkish there may be a fleet, russia, i’m sorry, is blocked in its ports, these are their boats, in conclusion, very nice boats, you see , they have four missiles each, this is my dream for the

ukrainian navy, that’s why, well, these are american arley bjorks , that's why, well, they have serious potential, but politically , they behave very restrained in terms of the use of force, although when it is fundamental, remember the story with the flight of the su-24 over a small territory of turkey, they do not zooming in, press the fire button and shoot down that plane, well, there are peculiarities here, well, in general, me i think that they are mainly due to business, but in terms of training, the turkish fleet is very well prepared, it is one of the best, well, maybe in terms of training, well, in the north atlantic alliance and in terms of the level of training and in terms of total... combat capabilities, here they are, by the way, they took a lot

from both the united states and britain, here they very actively developed their military-industrial complex in terms of shipbuilding, they adapted technologies, they developed their shipbuilding school, built their shipyards, they took over, they took licenses for the construction of submarines, they themselves build original german-made submarines, they build their own ships 25 years ago, this was impossible for turkey, but they, well, you see, due to such internal discipline, they are very serious rushed forward in this direction , yes, mr. andriy, i think, mr. andriy, why did i subconsciously ask about it because when i saw these shots, as you talked about it, this is the future of the ukrainian fleet, just about it we must also think about our fleet - it must become as powerful as the turkish one, and then

there will be no talk at all about the fact that russia claims something there, and so after the victory of ukraine, it will become so, ukraine is a great maritime power and so it should be, but for now, really, we are only dreaming about it, but even without a fleet, actually a large one, ukraine is fighting quite successfully, please tell me, this is also a purely military issue, here are these attacks from... and that , which have already transferred missiles to ukraine, this is, in principle, a kind of, well, on in the near future, the verdict for the possibility of the russian black sea fleet to attack ukraine, that is, they base a lot of things there and fire at us from ships, and this, how will it change, how can it change the situation in crimea and in the black sea in particular, in your opinion well, we now have two such serious arguments, what kind of modern... shoots at targets

on the coast, and the storm shadow missile, which also shoots in the same mode, and is suitable for attacks, and here are these three, let's say, means, plus a huge the number of unmanned aerial vehicles machines, which are also very necessary during these attacks, and they can really be involved in the destruction of critical military infrastructure , the enemy, and airfields, and points, and control points of various headquarters, and logistical structures, and ship bases, because in principle , the peculiarity is that the russians base their ships when they are in the bases, they use the so-called mediterranean method, setting up to the berth, that is, when they are stern, that means they stand up to the berth and give out two

anchors, and a very large crowd is obtained ships, and in the event of an advance, for example, an attack with a warhead, a cluster, what is the name of a cluster with a cluster warhead, then significant, on a significant, on a significant area, that ’s right, ships, other equipment, which can be destroyed are located next to each other, that is, in principle, i think that such a strategy , it is chosen, it will begin to be implemented, and such moments have been found that can distract such, well, let's say, a powerful pppo system, the enemy, but there are such mechanisms, i think that this will continue, the main thing here is that y

us, well, if we were supplied with this equipment, well, we see that there are such trends, mr. andriy, the analytical house, some note that the russian... side continues to search for some more or less safe place for what at this stage there is from their black sea fleet, and now it is actually observed without rebasing their ships from sevastopol to feodosia, they think that it will be safer there, i don’t know, less with what we understand, in ukraine, despite everything, right now and the idea of ​​almost a mosquito fleet is being implemented. so when in fact we are not we can talk about some great combat power at sea, but we are able to stall, as they say, enemy ships in various ways and make it so that they do not come closer to some more or less

safe distance for them, we all observed that as the headquarters of the black sea fleet was affected, now our special forces, operations, information about who died, who has not yet been identified, and so on, are being collected. i have the following question: to what extent does the level of efficiency and manageability decrease, in general of the black sea fleet, taking into account the minus of their top. well, the management bodies are the basis of conducting hostilities, this is the basis of the management system, and in principle, together with this , well, as headquarters, these are control points, these are communication points, the surveillance system, that is , we see that all four eyes components of the management system, they are impressed, that is, the black army headquarters building itself, and that means the headquarters

element that was there, we see that now, that at least there were more than 100 people there, here is the protected command center in the form of a center communications, the communications center, we also see that paradagrams are being hit, well, it's serious, i can't specifically tell you the percentage , the military can say that, because there are special calculations there, you need to know the situation in detail, but let's say, from the point of view of strategy, this is absolutely true, it is a gradual sharpening of the enemy's combat potential, and, well, it consists precisely of his physical strength, that is, of these weapons that he has, and manpower, and equipment, and by the way, this is moral condition, in terms of moral condition, it is very, so hits the enemy, because, as it were, after the second world war, there was not a single case when something

flew past the headquarters of the black sea fleet without authorization, here it was hit by two missiles, each with more than 300 kg of explosives and took out almost the entire central part of this building, that's why it affects, it affects negatively, i want to say that the russians really, after these attacks on sevastopol, they gradually, they will bring out submarines, novoross, they had one submarine, well, the battle is ready, and well, there is a new one a little older, they transferred him to novorossiysk, they a little, well, the thing is that feodosia, she does not take many ships, there were a couple of landing ships, there were ships in kirchishche, there were in novoozorny, but they cannot take out all the ships of sevastopol. in the same way, they also say that ships with a draft of no more than 7 meters can enter the sea of ​​azov, that is, frigates

, corvettes will not go there either, landing ships may be there, again, they need to be based somewhere, but their ships are quite large, special items are needed basing under them, that is, there are these attacks, they act, as it were, to reduce the combat potential of the enemy, and in general, specifically. i can't tell you the numbers, but what is strategic is the right concept, it's 100%. and mr. andriy, what remains of the enemy's air defense capabilities in crimea, can we rely on at least some data, at least approximate, well, we know that there are at least four s-400 systems, there are tor systems, there are systems shell, but it is detailed. detailed map, our intelligence, again, that's it

monitors everything, i understand that these strikes are on sevastopol, so they were possible after we destroyed the segment of the pppo system on the western part of the peninsula, but there are many systems, and when we use missile weapons, and this city was not covered, they are rolling over a new pppo system, so when we hit chongar , they redeployed the s-400 there, which they brought from the far east, and what ways do they drag it, after all, through the crimea or by land so-called corridor? well, it is possible through a railway, railway crossing, he is working now, the trains go, that is, there, there is limited traffic on the road, well, cars, i don’t think they will risk it, although it is possible, most likely they are transporting on the platform, because, well, the railway bridge, it is still works, that's most likely the case, well, in the crimea, if it's chungar, then of course, most likely it was

through this corridor, which, now it's still under their control, that is, well, it's another matter that the systems themselves they don't have much left, because they have to cover moscow and other places, and well, it's russia, well on the territory is very large, but they do not have enough, you see, there are not enough air defense systems to cover their cities, well, we look at where it is not covered and then launch some talented drone there, which does something there, that means it does something there, no, let's not forget that a closet, especially a large one, falls especially loudly, so it seems to me that this principle is very successful, and it is very suitable for comparison with russia, thank you, mr. andrii, for joining our program together, beraber, andriy ryzhenko, captain of the first rank of the reserve, deputy chief of staff of the navy

of the armed forces of ukraine was with us from 2004 to the 20th year. ayder, thank you for the fact that once again we had the opportunity to meet and talk about crimea, until the next meetings, together beraber. greetings, let's start with something that will give, you know, the right context to what we're going to talk about during this broadcast, let's start by watching a video, on august 23, at the central airport, the german foreign minister pribentrop arrived in moscow: the non-aggression pact not only imprisoned by the soviet union and germany strengthen good-neighborly and peaceful relations

between neighboring states, but also serve the cause of the general strengthening of peace. the conclusion of the soviet-german treaty on non-aggression testifies to the fact that comrade stalin's historical prediction was brilliantly justified. at the invitation of the government. that the ussr, to discuss with the soviet government the issues related to the events in poland, the minister of foreign affairs of germany, herr von ribbentrop, arrived in moscow. well , here we are talking about the molt ribbentrop pact, which was concluded between the soviet union and germany, in the 39th year on august 23. and just these days, on september 27-28, ribbentrop once again came to moscow to finally decide on the polish issue. question, and they finally divided poland there, signed several more treaties, and in the end there was such a big

banquet, you know, at which stalin raised the issue, it just happened on september 28, and in the end, in december of 1939, stalin will write to hitler in response to his congratulatory telegram: the friendship between the peoples of germany and the soviet union is bound by blood and has every reason to be long-lasting and strong. please hold on it's in my head during our further conversation. so, now to the events that became such, you know, an explosion and were prevented. huge, not just among russian propagandists, a huge resonance in the world in general. so, during the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to canada, on september 22 , the parliament of this country honored the 98-year-old veteran of the vafs halychyn yaroslav hunek with applause at a meeting. during the session of the parliament, the speaker of the canadian parliament

, anthony rhode, said that he is a hero of ukraine of canada, a ukrainian-canadian veteran. of world war ii, who fought for the independence of ukraine and continues to support the troops today, even at this age , well, all sorts of things, already after that, a scandal began, there was a statement by a jewish organization, a statement by a polish one, first by an ambassador, then by a minister, and finally on september 26 all this led to the fact that the speaker of the house of commons, antaniy rod , resigned, let's see what the russian propaganda advised on this matter. thank god, even though a scandal broke out in canada, zelsky thanked canada for the reception arranged for him and emphasized that ottawa has always been on the bright side of history. from such compliments, canada is shaking for the third day. zelsky was involved in a grandiose political scandal, in the parliament of canada

together with prime minister trudeau, he, being a jew, was honored. the whole hall standing ovation, how they waved in the hall of the parliament of canada, how they greeted him, look, well done , how many jews did you kill, oh well done, and next to him, there was something like zaganul even, so to speak, that is called, well, excess, everyone is standing, everyone is applauding, everything, the whole parliament, yes, including you, you saw he did that, zelensky well, well, well , again, once again, once again, show us this video , i didn't pay attention to it now they will highlight with a circle, see how he will make a good man with his hand, well, that's simple, and what is this, this person participated in the destruction of the russian soviet population, communists, others, and so on , and what's a bad explanation for trudo, this is an acceptable

explanation, it's not a fascist, it's... russian propaganda, what kind of russian propaganda , well indeed, it would seem that russian propaganda, yes, it is russian, even soviet, i would say, propaganda, that is, this propaganda that has been going on since 1944, and we have now seen how this long-lasting soviet-russian propaganda , in fact led to the resignation of the speaker of the canadian parliament, well, it must be said right away that no matter how the russians hope, it will not lead to the fact that canada will give up its support for ukraine, this is the subject of their suffering. either the canadians applauded the unkilled kunko with disgust as a protest, or the action inviting the ss to the parliament was planned in advance in order to unseat zelsky. will celebrating a fascist on the part of zelsky somehow shake

canada's position regarding what is happening in ukraine? maybe something will change with military supplies? er, nothing will change, er , the whole discourse that is happening around this spectacle now, it is always accompanied by unchanging incantations about loyalty to zelsky, the need to support ukraine to the end and, so to speak, achieve it. victories on the battlefield, in this, everyone is united, but the gap with the templates is small. well, this same story actually caused some absolutely marismistic things in the russian infospace as well, when they started simply accusing canada of being