[000:00:00;00] on the part of zelsky, it will somehow shake the position of canada in relation to what is happening in ukraine , maybe something with military supplies will somehow change, nothing will change, the whole discourse that is happening now around this spectacle is always accompanied by constant incantations about loyalty, the need to support ukraine to the end and , so to speak, to achieve victory on the battlefield, everyone is in solidarity in this, but such a gap in the pattern is small, and actually the same history caused some simply such absolutely marsmatic things also in to the russian infospace, when they began to simply accuse

canada of being a nazi country, and there literally ... there specifically, tsru, this is some kind of plan, well, everything is like the russians, in short, but how did it happen, что этот a canadian criminal once ended up in canada and has been living there quietly for so many years, how did it happen, you don’t know, i know, i’ll tell you, it happened because the us secret service made one of the main bases from canada, transferring collaborators from former ukrainian nationalists. who collaborated with the nazis, it was to canada that they were transferred for many, many, many years, it was in canada that these very, so to speak, brutal ideas developed under the cover of the canadian state, the bandera revival , it was in canada that these people found refuge not only in canada, but in canada first of all, these people, this person lived safely in canada for so many years under the cover of the canadian state, the canadian special services, so

to speak. well, in the end, they agreed to the fact that canada should be de-nazified. canada, that's right, please, the nazi sentiments are huge, we will deal with it separately on each person, what is called, let's see who is clapping there now. for canada, this is quite a normal phenomenon, it is indeed a post-war reserve for any nazis, tadeusz brzezinski, the father of zbigniew brzezinski, he was the consul of poland in canada from the thirty-ninth to the forty -fifth year, officially, this is the man who did everything, in order not to give, or at least to adjust the canadian society, no involved in the war with hitler's germany, canada and before the second world war, and moreover, during the second world war, occupied a very murky position, and it is only a generally happy coincidence that canada at

that time was a dominion of the united states, not a territory of great britain, and the protectorate of the united states, became part of the anti-hitler coalition. canada is not a country that accidentally got lost somewhere. canada is a nazi incubator, which has been quite consciously for many years was preparing a new wave of nazism. canada is a nazi country. we need to be a little more careful with the terms, already, well, canada has already been called a nazi state. well, in general, the next step is denazification. что ну пожалуйста, let's formalize canada, well, this is an example, you know, of such absolute savagery, because it must be said that canadian citizens began to fight nazism a little earlier than the soviet ones, that is, if the soviet union began in 1941, then canada began in the 39th, when the soviet union was an ally of hitler of germany, just for a moment, well, that

's all, that's all that was said. this is a set of, you know, fakes and false statements of russian propaganda, which has existed for quite some time, and i want to talk about it with volodymyr vyatrovych, historian, publicist, deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. congratulations, volodymyr, let's first evaluate this story, it's obvious that it, well, it can't be called black and white, no, it's a little more complicated story, but it's certainly not what they're trying to do now present how you know, well, finally, here is some terrible nazi , the most unfortunate thing in this story is that there is nothing new here, that it was all already and it was not just somewhere in russia, it was not just somewhere in the world, it everything happened in canada, that is, it is clearly a repeat of what happened in canada in the 80s, when the soviet propaganda at that time threw all kinds of informational excuses that the canadian government had really

transferred thousands of nazis of ukrainian origin who live and are citizens of this country, why it started then, and because this is the 80s, the period of the cold war, when the ukrainian community was very influential. and strong in canada had an influence on canadian politics and , among other things, raises very actively and effectively raises information about the holodomor, which was organized by the soviet authorities, this topic resonates throughout the world. back then, in the mid-80s, it seems to me that the canadian government acted much more adequately than the current canadian government does. then a special commission was created, a commission headed by jules deshen, the state commission, which had the task of verifying what this wafina is. the tets division of halychyna and whether it was really nazi and whether all those who were and served in the ranks of this division can be considered criminals. based on the results of the work of this commission, which included historians and lawyers, they came to the conclusion that

the galician vaf division, as a military unit, cannot be accused of participating in war crimes, therefore, not a single soldier of this galician vaf division can be accused only of participating in this. division that the participation itself was not criminal, therefore, all these theses , which are now being so actively promoted by russian propaganda and from which, in my opinion, the modern canadian government is very ineffective, they were actually refuted at the state level in canada itself, so i am very sorry, i am not surprised to hear all that , which you cited as fragments of russian propaganda, that is, it is typical, it is understandable, but it is very strange to hear an apology from er... prime minister cain trudeau, which sounds as follows, that what we challenge, what we invited this ukrainian soldier of the halychyna division insulting the memory of millions of victims of the holocaust, roma, lgbt, poles, and so on

, well, this is exactly what is absolutely playing along with russian propaganda, absolute strengthening of russian propaganda, and in this context, well, unfortunately, we are forced to state , that despite all the cartoonishness of these russian propaganda plots, you see, they work in the world, well , let's see, here are the two main theses that russian propaganda promotes in this regard, the first is that the banderians of the sss of galicia, who are not, in fact , it's not the same thing, banderites do not have anything to do with the creation of the sss galicia, more, a little more, a little more, the people of banderiv were the ones who opposed the creation, let's really do it, let's take a step back and explain what the vafs division of galicia is, where it started and what was it created for, so it is 1943, it is the middle of 1943, and it must be immediately recorded, remembered, because this is the time when, in fact, in ukraine,

the policy of the holocaust was completed, the germans actually exterminated the jews as a national minority, which long time lived for centuries on the ukrainian territory, which lived on the territory of poland, this was carried out by the nazi groups created for that purpose, and as of the 43rd year, when the division was created, in fact the task they set before themselves was realized, from the accusation of the afnss division in because they participated in the holocaust, or were some kind of minor tool, they are absolutely groundless , why the germans went to create this division at all, the fact is that by that time, until the 43rd year, the germans were sure that the weapon in only aryans have the right to hold hands, an absolutely racial approach, only those who were born to be warriors, ukrainians, of course , did not belong to them, ukrainians were undermenches, not people who were only supposed to work in factories, on farms, in order to to provide real soldiers who were germans, but as of the middle of the 43rd year

, the course of the war turned, germany was defeated at stalingrad, the soviet army began a counteroffensive and was already approaching the territory of ukraine, and in some places it entered the territory of ukraine. the german army needed a resource of human resources, personnel resources , so they actually agreed to the proposal of some of the german command that let's create national units that will fight on the side of the third reich, since such national units could not be created in accordance with german legislation, wehrmacht , could not be created as part of the sss, a typical sss, because it was again from the aryan approach, there were to be exclusively pure-blooded aryans, so they decided to create such a structure, which was called vafs, that is, these are front-line units that were supposed to participate simply in battles, and in fact , they decided to create such and such a formation in galicia as well, and what is very important is that from the very beginning the germans

emphasized that this was a galician division, there was even it is forbidden to use the definition ukrainian, because they believed that it is possible to talk about the galicians as slightly better ukrainians, because they were once part of the austrian empire, you know, and perhaps acquired some... a little germanness that was correct for the germans, that's how this formation took place during the 43rd year, of course, using propaganda that ukrainian youths should enter galicia in order to fight bolshevism, this propaganda worked, this propaganda worked, because very many, very many ukrainians faced the fear of the return of the owls authorities, and they remembered how the soviet authorities were retreating from western ukraine in the terrible summer of 1941, when more than 22,000 ukrainians were killed in the prisons of western ukraine in a little more than a week, so some ukrainians joined volunteered for this vafs division, part of it was mobilized.

but even those who voluntarily joined, it is necessary to understand what conditions these people were in, what elections they stood before, or join this division, or perhaps stay in place and wait for the arrival of the soviet authorities, which would probably repress these people, or to give up and end up as ossarbeiter slaves for some hard work in germany, or just end up in concentration camps, so the situation was actually very difficult, but the most important thing is to understand that the formed division was used: i have already said this, but i will repeat that as a front-line unit, it took part in battles against the red army, in particular, in such and such a clash, one of the largest battles of which took place under the fords in july 1944, according to me , this is precisely the embodiment of this tragedy of ukrainians as a stateless nation, when ukrainians in the ranks of the vafs of the galicia division , in german uniforms, shot at ukrainians in uniforms of the red army, who were advancing on the same lviv in the summer of 1944,

after these battles, after a significant as the division was broken up under the fords, its separate parts were taken first to slovakia, then to yugoslavia , at the final stage of the second world war , just a month before the complete defeat of the third reich, the germans agreed to call it ukrainian, it first began to use in its name, actually this ethnonym is ukrainian, but there were literally a few weeks left before the defeat, actually understanding... the threat that they could be handed over to the soviet union, the divisionalists laid down their arms before the western allies, and in fact, after the second world war, the soldiers of the vaf division of galicia were repeatedly checked for alleged involvement in some war crimes and these war crimes were not proven, that is why the former soldiers of this division became citizens of great britain, became citizens of canada, became citizens of the united states of america, decent citizens, by those people who very often assumed some role in the very

active ukrainian social and political life, and it was probably their activity that already in the 80s attracted additional attention in the kgb who started this company, and i want to say again, it's very unfortunate that what 's going on now is basically an almost one-to-one repetition of this information campaign that was 40 years ago, and it's even more unfortunate that it's still working , well, actually, about these nuances, let's say, well, that is, about the fact that neither this division, nor, even more so, the unupa, took any part in any extermination of jews there, something else, well, as organizations, we are talking about this already, well, this, these are known facts and this, but unfortunately, it probably needs to be repeated, but sure enough it must be repeated, but there is an additional fact that the russians like to say very much, that the vafs was condemned by the nyuban tribunal, let's see how

they phrase it, the grenadier division of the sss galicia, the sss army, how badly the nuremberg tribunal condemned , and the nuremberg trials said: "all the ss are recognized as war criminals, that's not what the zolazhsky trial said. in the tradition of canadian nazism, which since the 1950s acquitted the banderovtsev, canceled the de facto decision of the nuremberg tribunal, said that the ksu did not no questions, all is well, no one sees anything, here is this canadian case, this scandal, he showed absolutely exactly, today, that what had already happened psychologically, legally and politically, unfortunately, the dismantling of nürng, newman's decisions, instead of this, the west, together with this ukrainian regime, they push these pseudo-hague courts, some tribunals , well, that's enough... they say it all the time, it's widely circulated, and

actually, what's the propaganda here, what's the truth here , well, first of all, you're going to bother me, you know, such an excessive sacralization of nuremberg, we forget that among the judges of nuremberg there were soviet ones, precisely those who represented the soviet side, one of them, this is the infamous prosecutor vyshinsky, the one who participated in these repressions of the 30s years, that is why it is unfortunately not necessary to talk about some basic reliability of this, these processes, that they considered these cases completely impartially , secondly, it is necessary to understand that even those results of the neuber process that exist, which were reached, on , this tribunal, absolutely by russia, before that soviet union it is used fragmentarily, never in the soviet union, never in the current russia , all the materials of this process were published, because in the same materials of the nubert process there are, yes,

something was published there, or 12, i don't i remember, that is, well, apparently, only about a quarter of the volumes were published, because among the other volumes there is, for example, information: about the repressions carried out by the nazis against the participants of the ukrainian liberation movement. that's why we see such a simple, well, frank constant manipulations, allegedly due to the fact that the nurmen trial condemned upa, allegedly due to the fact that the nyeral trial condemned the entire vafs division, but it seems to me that it is extremely, more urgent now to turn to the results of this very work commission of julie duchene, because it clearly related, in particular , to those ukrainians who lived at that time and some of them still live in canada, that is, we have a concrete result, a legal result of the work of the state commission, which should put an end to these discussions

once and for all, and it is very unfortunate that current canadian politicians do not actually appeal to the decisions of this commission, try to somehow justify themselves from the russian accusations. even more strange to me is the position of the ukrainian authorities in all this, there are no comments at all , from the side of the ukrainian foreign ministry, there is not even more, at least i did not see any clear position of the ukrainian community in canada, it seems to me that this is a case when, well, silence perceived as, well, actually agreeing with these accusations, what, let's wait, let's settle down, everyone, everyone, everyone will forget that we, what we did wrong, and then we can go back to normal life, it's wrong, obviously, it's too bad that this information scandal broke out, it's obviously too bad, how this information scandal is effectively used by russian propaganda, but as it is happening now

, it seems to me that there should be some kind of clear, informative answer, and first of all, use the scandal to tell what really happened , in order to show how russian propaganda works and has worked, well, it is actually like that, because, for example, the russians take some statements out of context, even by the western media, for example, let's see how such a small piece, which is just about what you say, in his speech zelensky talked about genocide, appealed to feelings , compared the struggle of the allies in the second world war with the struggle of his people, he now tried to mobilize support for it. now we have other comparisons with the second world war, comments neither from zelsky nor from his ambassador yet progressed, but we will monitor it. well, actually, you see, that is, it is always possible to do something like this, that it is like this kind of context, you put some questions and everything turns out to be wrong, and this is where this speculation begins, it confuses me, you know, what else is going on, which one

on the day of this information scandal, during the first two or three days, the ukrainian media completely thoughtlessly repeated the thesis, which... unfortunately is common in the western media, that, as is known, the division is accused of mass crimes against the jewish and polish population, is accused, i apologize, more than 80 years have passed, it is obvious that if any accusations were confirmed, there would already be some verdicts, there would already be some conclusions, legal conclusions, this is the wording, it does not really commit to anything sarcastic, but absolutely clearly and concretely casts a shadow, an informational body, that there is probably something in this. there is probably some reason to talk about the criminality of this structure, it is categorically wrong and it is obvious that this kind of thing must be stopped, this kind of things must be refuted, so thank you for actually trying to do this with your program, well, we are trying, because this, i have already said, this is an example of a really successful operation by the soviet special services, which

continues to this day, that is, under its influence there are, for example, jews, the jewish community, and ultimately the jewish state as such. who are also trying to find some kind of explanation for themselves in this, they nurture a bad attitude towards ukrainians precisely on the basis of this one legend, an absolutely legendary story, and secondly, well, look, it is also important here, when you say, we should have reacted somehow, how should we, because what to say, well, a hero, not a hero, no matter what, how can you characterize this person... that's right, how can you characterize the whole situation, what should the ukrainian authorities say, by the way, strangely enough, i saw only one comment that came from...' mykhailo podoliak, actually, he seems to be the only one who made any kind of comment, he said to that effect , that in general we in ukraine

are trying to pursue a policy of reconciliation, because ukrainian history is ambiguous, it did not have statehood at that time, our people were forced to be between two armies, and in principle between two systems, well, that is, first of all, it seems to me that it is very important to get out of this artificial absolute dichotomy. a hero or a criminal, because it leads to the fact that if you are not a hero , then you are a criminal, this is wrong, i do not know if there is a reason to call mr. gunka a hero, at least for sure, his participation in two fsss divisions of galicia does not turn him into a hero , but in the same way, his participation in the vafs of the galician division does not turn him into a criminal, so it is extremely important to understand, obviously , it seems to me that the basis of this informational message should be an explanation of what the vafs of the galician division is, why in us: it was created and in what conditions were the ukrainians at that time and who, in particular , made their decision regarding participation in this

waf-division of galicia. and then it is extremely important to explain and show exactly what we are talking about, how this plot was created and developed and promoted at one time by soviet propaganda, and now, as it is done absolutely actively and, unfortunately, effectively by russian propaganda. obviously, for this there should be some kind of... this is an informational work and an informational reference from the ukrainian institute of national remembrance, which should have prepared what the wafdivision galicia is and how and why it, how and why it was created. it is obvious that this information reference should form the basis of some information work, which should be developed by the ministry of culture, information policy, the ministry of foreign affairs, that is, we have the tools for this, we have for this, a serious fact that gives the opportunity...' not just to question the father of all the myths of soviet-russian propaganda, but gives the opportunity to expose the mechanisms of this soviet'

latvian-russian propaganda in order to prevent that it will be used again in the future, unfortunately, this is the silence that is happening now on the ukrainian side, well , it seems to me, on the contrary, it will encourage the russians to try it again and again in the future , because it works, well because there remains some kind of, you know, an empty place, but when it is not filled. it is filled by the russians with their usual narratives and they, well, in principle, promote them even more, well, probably a separate story - it is the fact that it is necessary to continue to talk with the poles and with the jews on this occasion, well, because first of all, these are myths that aimed at them, when they tell that the poles killed the poles in galicia, that the jews were killed in galicia, and this is not true, it is repeated, repeated, repeated, and these very people and the population of these countries, and the politicians of these countries, continue to repeat it, that's what the problem is, and

as long as these myths live, as long as they live, they can, unfortunately, be the basis for some more political attempts, to promote, to get some political dividends, and here already a classic example of this is precisely the reaction of polish politicians who talk about some possible extradition, who talk about verifying possible participation directly... complicity in some crimes against the polish population, from a historical point of view, this is absurd, in fact, so check whether, for example appears already in the polish media, that it is possible that he participated in the destruction of the village of huta, the polish village of huta peniatska, but this village was not destroyed by the wafs division of galicia, but by the sss police regiments, but it is obvious that, uh, deal with this , politicians don't want to, they don't want to, but instead, right now... they just say and mobilize some part of polish society, which still has quite

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