[000:00:00;00] conflicts from us were all and they are such, but now it is counting on these countries , by the way, when considering, for example, an application to restore membership or participation in the human rights council, russia simply buys these countries with weapons, or votes, yes, or buys, well conditionally buys, these are interstate contracts, that is, they simply give to themselves at a loss, but they give for a political favor for a favor, the pro-quota value is legal, as it were, yes, that is why when they hang... lavrov, he speaks from the podium, for example, such a thesis, and this thesis, it also sounded in ukraine, which means that ukraine, v in the 1990s, the 1990s, in the declaration on state sovereignty, she also admitted that there would be non-alignment, but he does not tell the second part of the truth, that this declaration was still in the days of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic, and this non-alignment talked about the future so as

not to be. with moscow together, then when the constitution was considered, all this was changed , and i can say this competently, i was a member of the constitutional council, i know how it happened, so this train has already left, the world has simply changed, and if you are so consistent, why you then they violated the base of the black sea fleet, it was honestly given to you, please use the base of 2017, why did you go to break everything because of this knee and broke everything, and now they are trying to remind ukraine there for tsar panko, what you thought there before, and that’s it, russia has already ruined everything, that's why, but it comes, as they say, to such countries that are not very knowledgeable about these nuances, well, of course, it's all in the logic of the general assembly, and what about the un security council, what to do with it, or it is effective in general, well, in short, in the form it is now, no one needs it anymore, well, except for russia, china, because they can block,

the usa was also on this side before. well, relatively speaking, and, for example, france got there, well, in a very strange way, because the soviet union, stalin for the balance, said that france would also, as a result, we have countries that can block the decision, including the usa, but the usa has now changed its position , they left, intercepted the initiative of russia and china, and then let's reform. let's increase the number of members of the security council, as biden says, the right of veto we'll get rid of it, i think it's like poultice for the dead already, this is actually our president, the ukrainian president said during a speech in rathbeiz, so that the united nations organization is at a dead end regarding aggression, humanity no longer puts its trust in the un, and he proposed, proposed to reform the un security council, how realistic is it in general, well, it is unrealistic, it has been reformed for many years, there is more what volodymyr zelensky said

about, he correctly said, that you do not need a war in order for you to create a new organization, therefore that i will remind you that the un was created after the second world war, and the league of nations, for example, after the first world war, that is, it already happened that such universal structures, the new structure, how we will live without war, is called, and do not wait for a new war, that was the message, do something now, and this is the right message, and what can we do now, i mean humanity, of course, we, ukraine, must understand that the un will not help us in the plan... that is, we have no other choice , therefore, the official position of president volodymyr zelenskyi is now recorded in the constitution, this is a landmark for the joining of a collective defense system, this is the north atlantic alliance and there is no other structure in europe, i will tell you this for the sake of interest, it is not for nothing, this is nato, no, we

are talking about the fact that we are... . we will not always fight alone, i do not like the words war of attrition with russia, this , i know russia, that is, i have worked and analyzed russia, they can afford a war of attrition, historically, and the fact that an authoritarian regime has developed there, in there are some of them, well, and some of the population, for them this is war elevators are social, they are very happy to perform gasification for the deceased. it does not suit us, we are a democratic country, we will not always fight with russia alone, this is not the development of the country, we need to close the security umbrella, well in this case nato now, and ensure that we develop peacefully, that investments go here, we this approach, the war is forever, is categorically not suitable, i am against it, so here is one organization that tried to find more comfortable solutions with russia than it appeared as a countermeasure to the soviet union,

was called western. the union, i think, was in the last vip delegation that visited the headquarters of the western european union, that is, it was closed, it was officially formed in 2011. it is not without the usa and canada, it did not stick together in any way, because everything, high-tech weapons, aviation, intelligence , well, the usa, high-precision weapons, the main expenses of the usa, therefore nato, in fact, for an experienced, experienced army at that time, at least, well and with experience, because the europeans had such experience, well, the french had, they took part in various operations, that is, we have once again i emphasize that this was not possible from the podium of the un or at a meeting so publicly at a meeting with the president of the united states, but the question now remains open that after the war, how we will live, economically, make investments,

money, after the war, this question is no less it is more important than today to defeat russia, well , to de-occupy it, i understand correctly that such regional security blocs can become an alternative to the un, right, absolutely, china. is now introducing its own group of countries, well , in short, my impression is that russia was talking about a multipolar world and war started against ukraine in order to get a piece of it, but china doesn't like it, it saw a bipolar world, china , yes, that's right, and china wants and is already creating a bipolar world, and it seems that in the next 15-20 years it's already obvious what will happen china, with a certain group of countries with it, and the western, well, conditionally yes, the world, because it is not only the usa, it is also australia, new zealand, japan, but the usa will still remain, so everything goes to the one at the head of this, and you know why, it seems to me, people who lived in the cold war, they, not

only kissinger, who is asked consultations, for some reason they got used to it, for some reason it is better for them to live when there is such a bipolar opposition to that, but it does not reach the great warriors, but they did not come up with anything else. unfortunately, russia is not there, neither in the chinese concept , nor in the american one, russia is only a supplier of resources, because resources are yes, there is no subjectivity, the truth is , absolutely, there is no pole, there is no pole, there is still a large country that is there will not be known, i will tell you frankly, i am not a supporter of these theories, russia will collapse right now, but no one knows, but accordingly, will russia save her seat in the un security council in such a case, if at all she occupies it illegally. well, that's right, it's us, and she needs to do one thing, i'll remind you, you know this very well, china got this place, instead of the republic of china, and they voted, and why isn't russia doing it, well, this is a technical

issue, they missed at one time, legal, these issues were not closed, but now they are catching up with them, i don't know, i have no illusions that russia will be deprived of the right to speak on this platform, there are dictatorships there. no less than russia, just now russia is fighting against us, but there are countries there, well, with such regimes, well, such a platform where everything is gathered in a heap, world democracy, well, no, it is not the world, well, world democracy is like that, it is a world platform, where after all people are trying to hear each other, and effective ways of responding will probably appear in them only when the martians don't give it to us. it's some kind of our desire for some kind of fair world without martians, well, why not. look, yes, roosevelt, roosevelt, the president, planned this structure, that it would be like this for a while she did it for one and a half years, and then the cold war, so, so ukraine must work at the global level, but do not

forget, after all, our foreign policy must be adequate with our resources, we can claim to change the world, but let's let's win, first, let's win, i say, this is not a war, a war can only be won, one's place in this new world, because it is possible, one can win and lose, lose one's future, that's what can happen, that's why these processes must go in parallel, we should be, the subjectivity should be like this, our regional, we are not a global state, but a regional one should hear us, and someone should depend on us, someone should listen, we should be in an alliance with someone, especially in the field of security, and in terms of winning or winning our place in the region, the world, and so on. ramstein last week just a new military aid, a new package that i hope personally that moves us on the way to this win, relatively speaking, has it become, has it brought

surprises for you from your point of view, this new ramstein, well i always it is better when rammstein is not many there public speeches, but there is a process that is already working, it is really a working process, a unique format in that. plan, that the usa managed to create this coalition, it basically includes the countries of africa, some of asia, that is, this, this is probably about the image of some kind of regional structure, maybe one day it will replace nato, which is more effective in this regard, well, for us it was important that the new leadership of the ministry of defense already had a meeting there, well, it used to take place, but now it is already in the working hours, yes, of minister mr. umerov and in fact, everyone has checked their plans, how will it be next, well, as for my expectations , of course, i will tell you, well, briefly, that the times... which the us and the allies have in terms of the types

of types of weapons provided do not coincide with ours, so that the imbalance in the range is insurmountable, and russia is still predicting the possibility of strikes, what is behind this? misunderstanding, inaccurate vision, is it possible that there are some fears, apprehensions, well, at first it was and such an approach will not allow escalation, well , in the understanding, there was escalation, this is nuclear threat. tactical nuclear, well, such a threat of tactical nuclear weapons being used by russia, maybe there was, but for this to calm everyone down, first of all, it is clear that there was some kind of serious shadow conversation between all the players, including china, and russia is already silent , already dmitry medvedev, who always wanted to say, medvedev doesn't write anything anymore, yes, he doesn't say anything, although he is putin's deputy in the security council, that is, he is the second person formally, in the security council, not in the apparatus

but in the council. won't happen, but they, well, my version is that from all that they told everything, the first thing is to change it, to change this position of deterrence to a position of prevention, as nato is currently changing the concept, and prevention means that, well, give more long-range, high-precision weapons, the paradox is that there are victims on the part of the enemy. russia will be less, because it will be strikes on the rear supply bases, and not on the trenches, where people are sitting, well, this is what war is, a terrible thing, but the fewer victims, the better, so, in principle, it is difficult to explain here, already, russia has already done everything, it has already taken all the steps, moreover, with the northern one they negotiated the supply of weapons to korea, and here it seems to me that they were afraid that korean weapons would arrive just then, and chinese help would be possible.

maybe they have from china that if you pass certain parameters there, then we will also support russia, well , something like that is happening behind the scenes, because it is already difficult to explain this from the point of view of logistics and everything else, so i think unfortunately, and f-16 we will have to wait longer than we think, but the missiles will come faster, because putin has already taken a step forward, the us is doing, if, what is the problem, they follow. all the time, they don't take a preemptive step, they keep a line between themselves, it's no secret , there is still a negotiating line, especially on threats of a strategic nature, that is why this war is very strange, uh, it's a war when all the parameters are controlled, and when they tell us, someone is talking about the slowness of the counteroffensive, well, listen, there will be shooting here and you are too much, this is a formula we have to jump out of it somehow. we failed to make

the other parties support the war allies, unfortunately, we are supported very seriously financially and with weapons, this is not the best option, because it would be better to stand with us on the same side of the barricades, so-called, but since we are already fighting like this, we need to think about the future already, our the production of weapons, our own missiles, is minimal, there is no need to focus on the advice of military strategists, our generals with their intelligence data will do better, they understand this situation, so i am calm about how the de-occupation of the territory is going now, i will only say one thing: it is not necessary and correct, what is accepted buz president, not to negotiate with this russian regime, we are not so interested, there the conclusion is formal, some kind of signature of something, but everyone has an illusion that we will sit down, sign and everything will be over, no.

it will end when it won't, when we have enough strength and the opponent has weakness, when the balance is established, when they understand that the price is everything, there is no point in going any further, then there will be a result, that is, i think that the partners, of course, it is also they understand, well, at the moment we have it, we have ramstein, the results of ramstein, whatever were not, by the way, we asked yuriy ignat, the spokesman of the air force of the armed forces of ukraine, about this, now we will hear what he has to say, we will continue. of course, expectations are always high from ramstein, it is far from the first ramstein, they have already become so regular , certain decisions are ultimately considered at that site, of course, limited information is released to the public about one or another type of weaponry, that is why they write that ukraine has been given additional systems, air defense, additional systems, or ammunition to systems, reserve fire systems, and so on, and so on, well, of course, everyone expected the appearance

of tankivrans in ukraine, well, one of the most powerful tanks in the world, along with the leopard, will be watched quite well, of course, a small number of these tanks, well, this is only the first step, just as there was a small number of anti-aircraft missile systems before, the main thing is that the first units, the first units have already entered and entered the service of the air armed forces, as well as air defense in the air forces, then it will be as much as possible deliveries are scheduled and in accordance with the agreements with our partners. well, actually, there is such an assessment, and we know what it was like, well, i wouldn't say disappointment. but such an expectation, which has not yet come true, we were waiting for the transfer to us, for the agreement to transfer us the taurus from germany, the taurus missiles, yes, and this did not happen, did not happen and will not happen, or did not happen, or something happened, and we we don't know what it looks like at all, because you remember that we will talk about it a little later, zelsky with biden

we met last week and last thursday, or was it already friday , it was known that we would not be given atakams, and a day later, when he was already in canada, there was information that such things would be given, what about taurus, what is the position germany, what berlin is playing, you know, well, the political decision on rocket attacks has been made, only i do not agree, but when through the media we conclude that they gave, they did not give, they gave, it means that when they are at the front and shoot, and that is all, you know, abrams, the tanks gave, didn't give, six months, well, i'm not in favor of this constant discussion, but when they hit and are fulfilling their goals, so they are, i will tell you more, even these figures of the huge support of the united states with weapons, they look beautiful, but now open the pentagon, the computer and look, there is a constant, it is a strange war, they print everything there , that they deliver, but it does not mean that we already have all these weapons, they

may not be with us yet, so these missiles, they must have been yesterday, why? they say long-range missiles, and they are long-range missiles, they are short- range missiles. these missiles are actually battlefields, that is, and even more so in what form to us they will give, if it is not 300 km, but there is 180, then excuse me, that is, it does not change, they, it is not a game changer, huh, but why is it important, as with tanks, the americans said for a long time, the germans said that the americans will give, let’s and we, that's why 31 nabram appeared, 31, which will not do anything in any weather, unless they protest , not this one, if, but the process went and the leopards left, so here, germany first made such a statement officially, the americans will give missiles and we taur, and now they are already taking a step back, already declaring that they are not quite with it

connected, it is very difficult to master, well, let's say so, about mastering, this is such an explanation to myself, but the german minister of defense said an interesting phrase to pistori, he said an interesting phrase that we, her, help everything, but the question of ukraine, or crimea, is is not a question of threats to our security there, and to our strategy, a very strange statement, a volunteer strategist absolutely, because wait, the aggressor who, in the 21st century, having corrected all international rules and laws, the principle of non-violation of borders, attacked treacherously there, and without warning to the neighboring state, or maybe such a situation does not threaten the world. no, it is clear, but not in that sense, he says in military terms, and i will say that he is wrong, and nato, brussels should ask him questions, because germany is a member of nato, there have been changes in nato's strategy, russia is an adversary, this means that germany should prepare together with everyone to resist, to prevent

a russian attack, and ukraine is an ally of nato and germany in this regard, so this statement is strange. and i would ask, clarify there, not publicly, but we have a ukraine nato council, by the way, which should it would be better to collect more often, that is why it was in vilnius , well, it was presented like this, it is like an achievement that ukraine can also initiate, we already need a moment to initiate, well, now the nato messenger in kyiv does not need it, because there is a meeting with president zelensky , but if there is any such situation, we must do it, we must defend our interests, but of course understand the opinion of our partners, it can be changed, i will change the situation, the germans in general, this is a well-known story, they did not expect that ukraine you days, huh. yes we are talking about the americans, but most germans did not think at all that three days, or not three days, but the germans were sure, and this

was said to minister kuleba, the minister of crown affairs, in a direct text, let's go, well, we understand what is already there you, everything will be difficult, but now they have risen, yes, if germany wants to be a player, and germany and france want to be the leaders of continental europe, then it will overtake the usa, give missiles and you will show leadership. well, so far the usa has not overtaken, and here is a visit to the usa and a meeting with biden zelskyi and, it remains the third point of our program for today , our topic, was a meeting, it was very important, i remember we worked there at midnight, waited for them to meet, then for them to leave and so on, but some such extraordinary, extraordinary results, but everyone came out and said, we will give you everything now, i don't know that i will send elon musk there. i don't know, there was no such thing, this is a normal situation, this happens in diplomacy, what was this meeting for, what function and what

she plays a role, how? well, meetings in the white house and visits at the highest level, some countries have been pursuing this for decades, well , the central asian countries have now been able to meet with president biden only in the format of five, and they want each one separately. ugh, we are at war, and of course the usa is a partner, and therefore several personal meetings have already taken place , if compared to the past, the atmosphere was, i will say so, more working, well, i in the white house also attended several meetings in this general office, the fireplace burns not only there in winter and summer too, the fireplace did not burn, that is, there was no such additional heat, but a working , very working discussion, i was not there at the meeting, i know from the look on the face after the end, you can imagine what was

roughly discussed, so it seems to me that there was a serious conversation, and now we know, now we already know, it also related to the fact that the reforms needed in ukraine will be completed, because the war with russia is still institutionally capable, well, the letter, by the way, is a strange story, i told his colleagues in washington the day before yesterday, i can already speak... i told them, this is a very strange story, when you blurt out something , and then officially confirm, yes, these are some demands, i did not understand what it is, that we do not have a normal interaction, that the american style should be merged and applied in ukraine, we have a strategic partnership commission, we can write in the minutes that today they made a statement of the voice of america to the official structure in the ukrainian language, that there is no attachment to the military aid to all of them, this is simply a wish for reforms , which in many respects are ukrainian themselves

recorded, but these are not the conditions for providing military aid, this is very important, because earlier trump was impeached for this, and now it is very good that they finally made this emphasis, they heard, you understand, how much they do not feel these moments, that you can tell them and then they finally make the right decision, now we have said everything clearly, officially. there is no connection with military aid , there is a desire for reforms, these are in many ways beacons for the imf, we will negotiate with the european union, our relations with nato are a normal process, but i i will tell you that i imagine the conversation that took place there on these issues, well, it was very frank, very frank, i will tell you more, those people who were at this meeting, i will tell you frankly, it seems to me that if they will, if , i don't know, i'm not involved in domestic politics, if there are changes. the configuration of the government or something else, look for those people in some of them in key positions, if in the future, i'm not saying tomorrow, we

will talk about it, and you know why, because the united states is playing a more important role for ukraine now, absolutely, but whether the usa is tired of supporting ukraine, this is the main question of our program, and the west in general, why am i telling you that as far as involvement without interference in internal affairs is concerned, it is probably the highest in the entire period. the existence of ukraine, the involvement of the united states, and this involvement through penny pritzker on aid management funds, this involvement of the inspector general, the involvement of business, yes business, that they are ready to even start talking about investments now, but they will not go with large investments without solving the security issue , so i'm very i expect that next to the issue of business will be the issue of ukraine's accession to nato, and that the usa will find a form. how to invite ukraine to nato in washington already next year, because this window of opportunity will close, this does not mean joining next year, but a part, but it

will be a part of our further whole project, therefore. visit, visits, it does not mean applause, there everywhere, applause in the evening, when you present awards and everyone there is happy for you, in the white house in the general cabinet, the more serious, the deeper the conversation, the better, in fact, mr. valery, i thank you very much for this conversation, of course we do not have an oval office, but it is important, what we talked about, i think that some kind of understanding appeared in our audience, or at least he did. added, added, i will remind you that today we talked about whether the west is tired of ukraine, and our guest today was valery chaly, the ambassador of ukraine to the united states from 2015 to 2019, and the one news marathon continues, then our own news release, don't

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of thursday, september 28, on the air news is the only one... the main thing is that the intra information service works for you. i am oleksandr vasylchenko. congratulations. and we will start the issue with an air alert message. currently, it is announced in the south of the country, in kherson, mykolaiv and zaporozhye regions. do not neglect your safety, the safety of your loved ones, take shelter. ens stoltenberg is in kyiv and this is already the second time since the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion of ukraine. the general assembly met with president zelenskyi, they also talked about supplies. additional air defense systems and the protection of the energy system, the situation at the front and ukraine's membership in the alliance. regarding the last point , stoltenberg noted: "our country is closer than ever to this." liliana lyagaka summed up main statements of the secretary general of nato. so, what kind of support can ukraine expect from international partners? more on that later. nato secretary general jen

stoltenberg arrived in kyiv today on an unannounced visit and met with president volodymyr zelsky. they have already discussed the situation on the battlefield and all key defense issues. in particular, the strengthening of pppo systems against the background of expected russian attacks on the critical infrastructure of ukraine. the secretary general agreed to make his efforts to help, to support us in this matter, to mobilize the member states of the alliance, specifically for this purpose. we need to get through this winter together, protect ours. energy infrastructure and people's lives. stoltenberg also announced that nato signed contracts worth 2.4 billion for the purchase of basic ammunition, 155 mm shells and anti-tank ammunition. they should replenish the stocks of the members of the alliance and ukraine. next week there will be a defense industrial forum in stockholm, where