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ukraine managed to find a poet, it is called, because in the verkhovna rada people lived completely calmly and saw that the committee on freedom of speech was headed by none other than nestor ivanovich shufrych, and he was the head of the committee, and this one, too, is from the opzh, as they say, the right hand or leg of medvedchuk himself, also accused of treason and so on, and in this case, well, well, finally, well, better late than never, they say in the ukrainian people, the shufrich was demolished, the same with his landing to play temporarily, yes, at this moment someone must be appointed, and now when we look at what the duties of the head of the committee on freedom of speech, stavhenii brahar, you probably know this , servants of the people, this is a very famous personality, this is a dangerous intellectual, this is a person who fought against

some ukrainian films in ukraine, it is impossible to shoot ukrainian films with state money in ukraine , and if grandma has any problems, so be it she will sell her dog and pay the utility bill, in my opinion, after such statements, you can't think of a bigger cringe, how can you change her from shufrichs to bragars during the war, this is one of the problems that our partners from the european union always tell us about and tell us about , that, unfortunately, we still do not have any code of ethics for a people's deputy, or there is none at all , even, let's say, elementary disciplinary responsibility of a deputy for, what he, for some individual statements, yes, and that's all after all, this code must be

accepted there as well, well, certain points of this kind should be taken into account, well, but of course, first of all, during the formation of the composition of the committee, it is necessary to proceed from the professional qualities of people who are delegated there by the relevant political power, and this is also the political responsibility of this force, yes, whom it delegates to the committee, freedom of speech, well, if in fact this person... has in his background statements that er deny either freedom of speech or freedom of thought development , and so on things mrs. olga, what's up now there is simply such a situation that there is no one to choose from, but it turns out essentially a needle on a soap, well, but that does not mean that this committee should be in this form, but there were three people left, now two of whom

it is possible to choose, er, some... mechanism, how can it be expanded, so the committee, add more people, well, actually, how is it considered that the opposition should have a chairman, the chairman of the committee should be a representative of the opposition, actually , but if before that, why does something like this not happen, why not supplement it, and accordingly, then there would be someone to choose from, maybe things would go better in this direction, well, in fact, the regulations and the law. on committees absolutely allows and regulates this situation, because the composition of the committee can be, the verkhovna rada has the right both to form and to reform committees and to appoint committees, and this decision, in fact, should be made in such a way as to ensure, on the one hand , what the law says that each committee should have representatives from each political... force, it is clear that the committee

is a certain collegial body in which there will be a discussion on draft laws on the relevant topic, if there is, the composition of the committee... two or three people, well, this means that it at least ceases to be a collegial body or a committee by its very nature, and of course what and who who is driving the process, who is not allowing the process to move, expand it, add more people and work accordingly, look at the list of the committee now, shufrychken kensel, there remains this brag and there is still a loyal old squire, igor valeriyovych kolomoisky, who is also under trial, well, we same we know where shvets got there from, and that's all, and that's the end of the committee, which prevents all political forces that carry slogans about freedom of speech on their flags to delegate their deputies, i think that first of all it should be a decision of the verkhovna

rada, it should be put on the agenda, in fact, precisely for that, and since this did not happen, the public initiative honestly made this call, we also joined it, and so did many from public organizations, but really thank you honestly for this initiative, to be honest push the verkhovna rada to act in this direction, to make a decision on the additional staffing of this committee, and in fact, in my opinion, nothing prevents the actual reformation of the composition of the committee from those factions that are, well, we can say, fortunately, factions of the banned party the upzh is no longer there, but from

other political forces, representatives should be delegated in equal measure, and of course, traditionally, if, it is a really good practice, that, the committee of freedom of speech, it belonged to... the opposition belonged to the chairmanship of it, well those more can be said, it is relevant in the conditions of a single marathon. ugh. thank you, ms. olga, for being with us, for shedding some light on this situation. olha kotsyruba, the senior adviser for business issues of the civil network opora, was with us, and i wanted to ask you, well, listen, well, look, this, a committee, is a profile from the point of view of national security, because all the political forces that said it was not in time, we need to... unite and support the armed forces of ukraine in this war, and there is an equally important front, this is the information front, and ukrainian history - it has always been a story about democratic elections and freedom of speech, unlike russia, and look

, in my opinion, for 30 years there was not a single party that did not talk about freedom of speech, i am not saying how it acted , an eternal topic, a grateful topic, you can always talk, you can always get to know the electorate, yes, but at the same time , an empty committee and this committee should now respond to all the challenges that are currently at the moment, at the moment there are a lot of challenges, starting from the attempt of single-mindedness, single-mindedness, control, which is only worth it the updated law on media, there are works and works, well, this is the situation, well, one more of our colleagues will take advantage of the constitution and freedom of speech while there is an opportunity, and yehor checherinda, our colleague from kyiv, you definitely have. what can we show and tell, yehor, congratulations, you have the floor, congratulations roman, colleagues, our viewers , don't believe it, today we are in lviv square, in kyiv, meeting with volodymyr ogrysk, ex-minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, mr.

volodymyr, have a good day, well, it was not by chance that we chose lviv square, knowing that the channel is located in lviv, so that there would be a kind of, you know, the unity of kyiv and lviv, well, let's decide and start, the main event of the day on the eve of yesterday about the fact that the ambassador of hungary to belarus, her name is ilona benchyk, ilona, ​​zita , benchyk presented the letters of the certificate to oleksandr lukashenko, and commenting on this event, lukashenko called hungary an old and reliable friend , according to him, belarus is ready to continue dialogue with hungary to de-escalate tensions in the region, through negotiations, well, i will say that after the elections, which were falsified in the president of belarus... the eu imposed sanctions on lukashenka personally and on the figures of the belarusian government, and after lukashenka supported the russian invasion, he strengthened the eu sanctions. let me remind you that budapest is official and hungary is a member of both the european union and nato. how did you react, mr. volodymyr, to this story? please. well, this is

a terrible story, it is obvious that today, hungary plays the role of a trojan horse, muscovy and so on. and in the european union, they understand this perfectly, but for now , unfortunately, refrain from harsh steps, still hoping that it can be... fixed somehow with softer tools, although it seems to me that everything that could be done badly on the part of budapest, they have already done, well, actually, i don't know, did you pay attention to one of the last statements of orbán, who said that under any circumstances we are not going to allow ukraine to advance either in the eu or in nato, that is, the issue here is not entirely about national minorities, not about the law. about education, well, these are all formal reasons that make budapest possible

to carry out this anti-ukraine and pro-moscow policy, and in this context the appointment of the ambassador is a logical step on the part of budapest , that is, they are friends with putin, they are friends with lukashenka, the whole civilized world is afraid of them . they are friends, well, i think that at some point our, dear brussels, collective brussels and yesivskyi and nativskyi will have to draw conclusions. mr. volodymyr, what about this legitimization of lukashenko of his government, his army, after all, his this militant policy, in relation to all around the baltic countries, including poland, it will not continue, there will not be some kind of chain reaction, i mean after the elections, which will take place, it seems, this sunday, that is, the day after tomorrow in slovakia, for example, there too one of the pro-russian political forces claims. to head the government, please, this is true, you know, in each of these countries from

central, eastern europe, which, relatively speaking, later joined the european union and nato, er, populism, unfortunately, unfortunately , not only in in these countries, but including here , populism has not gone anywhere, and there are politicians who successfully play this populism, they understand that the people, so to speak, must be offered very simple answers to very complex questions and the people who do not want to think perceives this very positively, that is why it is obvious that there are such forces in slovakia as well, traditionally there were many pro-russian politicians, this is the result of moscow's many years, many decades of work to create this fifth column in slovakia, therefore it is obvious that such

the threat is there, but on the other hand, i don't think it can have any drastic effect on, well, at least security assistance from slovakia, because this is a long-term program and to break it at one point, i think it will be simple it is impossible, especially since it gives certain advantages to slovakia itself, in the end, by giving us outdated equipment, they get new ones, so i don't think that even such a populist as fizo will decide to take steps that could actually interfere with the security of his own country. well physio - this is exactly the politician, the political force that is the leader of the race, the election the day after tomorrow, we hope that common sense will win in slovakia, regarding common sense, mr. volodymyr, in ukraine, returning to hungary, we still do not have a full-fledged appointed, is he appointed, but he is not sitting in budapest, the ambassador of ukraine in hungary, fedor shandur, the main applicant, he seems to have already been approved, he received agriman, and he recently gave a big interview for

one of the ukrainian media, where he spoke in favor of dual citizenship in ukraine, what do you need to allow ukrainian hungarians to have double, well, not only hungarians, all ukrainian citizens, and for that he was subjected to such a powerful hate, really hate translations from the english word, well, all the patriotic forces, what do you think about why we still don't have full-fledged ambassador and regarding dual citizenship, two words literally. regarding the temporary citizenship , i think this is his personal opinion, we have a constitution that we must respect and fulfill, this constitution is written in black and white, in ukraine there is one ukrainian citizenship, period, if someone dreams of dual citizenship, well , let him dream, and i think that in this regard , the statement of the ambassador, who has not yet begun to fulfill his duties, is, by the way, i would he said so, on the verge of a scandal, we cannot allow... for anyone in ukraine to have dual citizenship, taking into account russia's war against

ukraine, and also because hungary in the literal sense of the word creates in transcarpathia, that is, i think it can cause certain changes in the appointment of the ukrainian ambassador to for hungary, what is important is what feder sándor said, that about 400 ethnic hungarians of ukrainian citizenship are fighting. in the armed forces of ukraine, and unfortunately more than three dozen ukrainian hungarians died on the fields of the russian-ukrainian war for our independence, so we pay tribute to all hungarians who defend our ukrainian independence, our ukrainian citizens. mr. volodymyr, let's go to one more topic, today is already a surprise for me, the magat has passed a resolution demanding the immediate return of the zaporizhia nuclear the station under the full control of ukraine, ukrainian regulatory authorities, the general conference of mgts approved a resolution on immediate return, the press service of the ministry of energy of ukraine reports, the resolution was initiated by canada, finland and costa rica,

surprisingly for me costa rica is far from us, what does this give us politically , in diplomats. the plan for the return of the acceleration of the mechanism of the return of military personnel, or is it purely a declaration, please. no, no, politically, these are really good results, we should congratulate ourselves, including that we we have such a resolution, it means that an appropriate atmosphere is being created on international platforms, which indicates that, so to speak, apolitical, technical international structures clearly, clearly say that russia is a threat, russia is what must be eliminated, because its actions can lead to very negative consequences, in practical terms, of course, putin will not pay attention to any resolutions, how many resolutions in the un general assembly regarding aggression, how many, the parliamentary assembly

of nato, the osce and so on , adopted resolutions, for putin, this is hardly an argument. the biggest element for him will be defeat on the battlefield, i really hope that our heroic forces, heroic armed forces will break the backbone of the russian monster. well, let's continue about the russian monster, yesterday the media reported such almost sensational information , with reference to the experts of the american institute of war research, that iran and russia can agree on the transfer of medium- range missiles in the second half of october after the expiration of the resolution. . un security council 2231, which prohibits iran from concluding such agreements after october 18, well, it is reported that there were already russian officials of the ministry of defense at the exhibition of the corresponding missile weapons in moscow, and also sergey shoigo himself, the minister visited iran and talked with iranian developers there, and

designers, in particular we are talking about fatek-110 and zolfak missiles. to what extent this history , again, well, not in the military, in the diplomatic aspect, can change, well , the position of ukraine, how should ukraine react diplomatically, if indeed the transfer of missiles, because it yesterday, well, everyone called me, both relatives and relatives, and asked what would happen if iran really provided the russians with these missiles, how would we react, i think that it is not only ukraine that has to deal with these in this situation, i think it is first of all the united states of america, and strangely enough, secondly the people's republic of china , because what is happening on this site has not local, but very global consequences, and imagine what this can do happen, it means

iran actually gets involved in the war, it means it has to reckon with those who arise for him in this regard, and they can be very , very dangerous, i am not talking about the position of israel, which will perceive this as a direct , immediate, i would say, even existential threat to its own existence, because ballistics, in the hands of iran, which can threaten israel, it's really a few minutes of flight time, and it's a threat that is taken very seriously in israel, in the hands of russia, it's a threat to us, and despite what we have now, thanks to the west certain means of protection, so to speak, all the same it's a huge threat, it's a threat to actually china too, because it's questioning what's happening with the persian gulf countries, with the oil business,

first of all, there are risks that it just as a result... won't have, well a clear mechanism for obtaining oil products from this region, so a very serious international knot will be tied here, which may have the consequence, i repeat once again a sharp escalation, i think that the united states of america, in direct contact with iran and china, will find a formula that will allow, iran in time come to your senses, because otherwise, i also do not rule out that our special services will also start working in iran, and how we can work, i think, it is becoming clear to everyone. it is clear, it is clear to everyone, mr. volodymyr, but i personally do not understand how then in this situation in kyiv the embassy of the islamic republic of iran can be located within 200 meters

of the president's ouster. whether we have an embassy there or not, you know, i am talking about the fact that we should break these relations, spoke even on the first day when we learned that iranian shaheds were attacking ukraine, well, for some reason i don't know. the authorities did not accept such a proposal, although it seems obvious to me, the country , which is actually a party to the conflict and helps the russians to kill ukrainians, should bear responsibility for this, at least politically, diplomatically, so i think that this issue will not be relevant now again , i would not like it, of course, to turn into such a key and urgent need, i think that it will still be possible precisely with diplomatic

methods to prevent iran from doing such things, but in the event that this happens, then it seems to me that this is the first official step that we should take, and let's say a few words about ukrainian weapons, ukrainian-german weapons, on the eve of there was information that the german military, arms concern, rhine metal, as it is called, confirmed that it had received permission from the federal antimonopoly office of germany to create a joint venture for the production of weapons on the territory of ukraine. well , first of all, initially, this will not be the case about the creation of weapons, but about the repair of weapons that are already on the battlefield, so that they are repaired precisely in ukraine, and this enterprise will be located, well, for sure, this is not a military secret, because it was reported in official sources in the capital or in the suburbs the capital, which is the most protected from russian airstrikes, what do you think, mr. volodymyr, to what extent does this, also from a diplomatic point of view, give us advantages to now conduct negotiations with the same germans and with the same countries of the european union and with other producers of potential weapons, well, this is very important

moment, because this actually breaks through the dam, that lack of understanding and that embarrassing reticence that constantly sounds in the speeches of some western leaders, finally it seems that they understood that it is necessary to stop playing the role of a high school girl, and start, well, to work in a serious and adult way, i think that this is a good sign, there are good developments with the countries of northern europe, the baltic countries, other players, so i think that in this case we can only be happy with this development, eh, and regarding the fact that it will be in kyiv or near kyiv, this is also understandable, because today there is, well, almost one hundred percent protection over kyiv, although the military... they say that there is no one hundred percent protection there, but very powerful protection against russian attacks. some more very briefly, can we have some cooperation with other manufacturers of weapons?

i'm saying that we have good, tentative plans with the northern countries, i don't want to name specific countries now, but they really are, and there are quite intense negotiations, so i think that, well, despite the fact that we have , very powerful and and scientific, technical, and production base, despite what we are going through, so i think it is not a problem for ukraine to become one of the very important arms producers in the future. thank you, volodymyr hrysko, ex-minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, was with us on lviv square. colleagues, i pass the word. thanks for the inclusion. thank you. thank you yehor, all i have to do is say goodbye and have a peaceful and safe day, i hope to see you on monday. good bye. do you want to wake up rested and full of energy, but the whole body constantly hurts from the old mattress, on the sofa,

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we summarize the informational morning in ukraine, on the air of the news, khrystyna parubiy works in the studio. another difficult day in donetsk region. the russian invaders shelled the front-line settlements of the region. got to kurakhivka, krasnohorivtsi, as well as chasovoyarsk and lymansk communities. three civilians were killed. now he works in donetsk region.