[000:00:00;00] nobody and he is a person unknown to putin himself, that is, he will have a military role there exclusively, so that all those people who have at least some value for the military, so that they are integrated into the ministry of defense, and that's all, that's him and will do, thank you, mr. ilya, for your participation in... the program, it was ilya ponomarov, a former deputy of the state duma of the russian federation, friends, we are working live on tv channel uso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, please take part in our vote, today we are asking you about whether you support the legalization of weapons in ukraine , yes, no, or your option, please write in the comments under this video, this is important for us to know, because the secretary of the council

of the national of security and defense of ukraine oleksiy danilov said that having such an obsessive neighbor who is next to us, meaning russia, every family must have a machine gun at home. next, we have sofia fedina, people's deputy of ukraine. mrs sofia, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. good evening, mr. serhiy, i am also glad to be on the air. ms. sofia, do you think it is necessary to... legalize weapons in ukraine, taking into account the constant threat from russia, because this obsessive neighbor will be with us for a long time, and obviously we need to create some kind of legislative framework, which would allow ukrainians to defend themselves, and we know how, in the first days of the great invasion, aks were distributed in kyiv and other cities, how they saved the cities from

the russian invaders, well, actually discussion... the legalization of weapons, or, as it sounds in a more radical such public-activist environment, in particular in view of the previously submitted bill on self-defense and ownership of firearms, has been in the ukrainian discourse for a long time, and in fact, a very long period of time, this discussion was clearly not in favor of the owners of weapons, those people who have the opportunity to use them at one time or another, unfortunately, in favor of owning a weapon as well... several cases, which were very widely discussed in society, regarding policemen who had to shoot in view of their own self-defense, but as a result later these policemen were tried, and not the attackers who threatened their lives. unfortunately, in the first reading, the draft law was passed only one day, even less before the start of a full-scale invasion, and since then

the law enforcement committee has been working on it so much that it has not been brought anywhere yet, i think that now it is necessary not what to legalize, but to create some kind of streamlined, transparent system, because in reality, not now just because of a crazy neighbor, we should have means of self-defense, but we should also legalize all those weapons that are already in people's hands, not only those that are given away, but those that were captured as trophies, after all , military personnel, even vets , who are returning from the combat zone, it is not normal for them to be without means of self-defense, without means of protection, so now there should be an open discussion and a transparent mechanism without, let's say, without moments for bribery, without moments for corruption and without moments, which they are strengthening, let's say, the corruption component, the issuance of permits, in the issuance of various certificates, because even here i remember

how we were processed, when on the first day we were handed in weapons, then it was all done manually on pieces of paper, and then these weapons were searched for everywhere, because we all gave these weapons to the soldiers of the territorial defense, the fact that danilov now says that a machine gun should be in every house, well , this statement is perceived by me personally as the same as when he said that he changed clothes in a black uniform, it should mean that there will be a war. actually, it kind of is such, you know, pathetic nonsense, and the said terry propagandist in an interview, but this should not be said, but it should be concretely formalized, but the second point of this discussion about weapons, which has begun, is that ukraine should finally produce weapons in large quantity, and here we are not talking about automatic weapons, but about those means, in particular missile programs, which ukraine already produced in the 19th and 20th years, and now they need to be launched anew so that we have something to defend the whole country, well, the same danilo has already announced that there will be missiles, which will be

to fly 2,000 km, well, that's probably a lot too. it was said that they would fly there to the ural mountains and to siberia, but on the other hand, we know that the military-industrial complex of ukraine has always been strong, well, at least there a dozen years ago, because we had enterprises that produced and sold missile programs, and armories were powerful enough, of course, in the current conditions , it is obvious that when we talk about the future of ukraine and the present of ukraine, it is also obvious about defense and security, it is obvious that we must also talk about our own strong the defense-industrial complex has already started to do something, again, the same danilov says that they started to produce missiles, but they started shelling the russians, they took them outside ukraine, do you, or do you at all understand, is anyone working on this now, or

it doesn't work, it's a secret, or it's not a secret, whether it's known to people's deputies of ukraine, who usually have more access to information than ordinary citizens, and look, in fact, i probably don't have the right to say everything in public , but just i outline the situation as what happened, and what we have at this stage, was that by the 19th year, starting from the 14th, ukraine launched a whole series of missile programs, and these missile programs as of the 19th year were already ready to become to be taken into account, adopted and used as such, among one of the most successful projects, it was already known to all ukrainians neptune, which, by the way , a few months before he targeted the cruiser moscow. a total discrediting campaign was launched that neptune does not weigh anything, nothing will work, it is not going anywhere will fall and so on, and bohdana, who was rescuing sharp snakes, was ordered to be destroyed on the first day of a full-scale

invasion under the pretext that, god forbid , she would fall into the hands of the enemy, but to be used, protected, redeployed, for some reason in fact there is no information about this, but we also had willows, we have good willows , stugny, corsairs, but they were produced for the foreign market. in the 19th year, all programs were stopped. why stopped? well, from what i understand, yes, this is both my personal opinion and this is objective reality, because it there were projects of the poroshenko era, and zelsky was very annoyed by everything that had anything to do with poroshenko, by the way, tomos also annoyed him just because of that, but now we are talking about something else. at the beginning of the invasion, the first thing that was discussed was that there should be a restart. of the military-industrial complex, i have been talking about it for more than a year and a half at all committees, at all meetings, at speeches from the podium, because on the one hand, this is a weapon for us, for our use, on the other

hand, military industrial complex - it is the basis of the economy of the belligerent state, as well as the first six months of the full-scale invasion , in particular david rahamia, and then all the servants after him, told very nicely that we cannot produce anything, because trouble trouble will be aimed at everything. but not so long ago i had a conversation with diplomats who testified that they had repeatedly proposed to build joint enterprises under the ukrainian border that would be able to produce certain elements for weapons, certain cartridges and shots, but there it was said that ukraine should be the same a country that invests its resources , both financial and knowledge, and possibly labor, in order to build such enterprises, because it is not necessary for specific countries to fully own such an armed enterprise. ukraine refused, which was very, very shocking. i know about several projects, although on the other hand there was already information that several joint projects were launched after all.

ukroboronprom also reports that they have started producing various cartridges. but the truth is that when it came to, for example, drones, in particular those that can carry warheads, then it turns out that the ministry did not order them at all, although funds were allocated for this, but now, in particular , they are trying to take the personal income tax from the military pdf completely from local budgets, take it completely into the central budget and distribute it specifically for the launch of military industrial complex, and i apologize to the boys and girls in power, what you thought before, on the one hand, and on the other hand, by taking away the pddfo from the places, you are full... you disarm, you take away the resource from the military units, which in fact receive active, specific financing, by the way, with the same ammunition, the same defenses, because they are financed by territorial communities, and

here we have, you know, a double-edged sword, on the one hand, we need to launch the military industry, but i am not sure that this is necessary to be done at the expense of the pdf, the military industry can be launched at the expense of investments, at the expense of state guarantees, at the expense of state investments, after all, we have a lot of interested structures abroad in ukrainian production, weapons and the very means of conveying these or other posts. because even such an example is the poesydons that the poroshenko foundation and the community affairs order abroad, but this is a joint ukrainian development, which has already been tested here in ukraine, they are in great demand on the international market, and for ukraine they must now be taken directly from the warehouses , so that it can be handed over to our military, this is also the case with any of our other, in particular, missile programs, this is also the case with our anti-tank weapons and so on, we can cut corners on this, well, but we have to do it,

in a normal way and without stealing from it all money. ms. sofia, literally in the last few days, the defense ministers of france and great britain visited kyiv , the secretary general of nato was there, and a week ago, zelensky spoke with the americans, with president joseph biden, they are talking about greater cooperation in the military sphere and what production, including weapons. at the same time, against this background, a question arises, not only about the future, about cooperation, military cooperation, about our future in the european union. today is the new ambassador of the european union to ukraine, kateryna maternova said that if ukraine maintains the current pace of reforms, it is quite likely that the country will become a member of the eu in 2030 . at the same time, the prime minister of ukraine denys shmyl says that ukraine

is counting on full membership in the eu within two years, so according to your feelings, what is the real term of our accession to the european union, or is it as far away as in kateryna, maternova, is he as close as denys shmigal, look, it's all very, very, very much for... depending on how he will act ukraine, how will the ukrainian parliament and the ukrainian government act in general, because in fact, denys shmiygel, mrs. stefanyshyn, a bunch of our government officials, almost all this year have been saying directly contradictory phrases, statements about whether we fulfilled the seven points or whether we did not fulfill the seven points and where we are moving, as a result, it turned out that we had to urgently fulfill them at the last moment, because in fact nothing was completed on time, even seven points, if for... well, we have

approximately such a plan of action that sometime on october 24 to consider ukraine's report on implementation of these seven points, whether we are ready or not, the european council will meet on october 28, and already on december 14-15 there will be a meeting of the european council at the level of the heads of state or government, well , the truth may be at the level of the heads of the ministry of foreign affairs, well, but that's how it is they will succeed there, who will directly make decisions. is ukraine ready for negotiations on joining the european union, and further, after that we already have those 33 or 34 points that we have to agree step by step, first of all, we are talking about harmonizing legislation and negotiating moments in each specific area , which are very difficult, very difficult, very often disadvantageous for ukraine, and here it will be necessary to protect its national interests, and depending on how these negotiations will go,

then we can see the trend of what will happen, some countries have been doing this for more than 10 years, including poland and lithuania, other baltic countries, they did not just conduct all these negotiations, of course now they are ready to provide us with all possible hints, help and everything else, but ukraine must have, hundreds of , if not thousands of negotiators, each of whom will deal with his specific topic, and the peculiarity of all negotiations on each of each of the points, they... consist in the fact that here you will not close your eyes, here you will not say that we have accepted, you misunderstood, here it is about the fact that it will be necessary to defend one's position and the national interest very, very concretely on each point, and it will not be possible to fool around here, and one will have to make difficult, often unpopular decisions, for example, what will they be in ukraine, but it will have to be done as such, well, unfortunately, our government is more prone to such, you know, theatrical productions , which our people buy into, but... most of the european bureaucrats do not buy into it, and it will depend on how

quickly we will advance, that is it is possible to speed it up, it is possible to do it effectively, but for this you need experience, for this you need an understanding of what is happening, it is necessary that professionals in each specific field and diplomats, in particular, not the office of the president, and most importantly, what to do with some of our neighbors who hint that that ukraine has no place in the european... union , viktor orbán, prime minister of hungary, stated that the eu will have to answer very long and difficult questions until it reaches the moment when it will be possible to make a decision even about the start of negotiations, what he said in an interview with state radio: we cannot avoid the question, when we have talks in brussels in the autumn about the future of ukraine, whether we can actually seriously consider membership for ukraine, start accession talks with a country at war .

we don't know how big the territory of this country is, because the war is still going on, we don't know how big its population is, because they are running to accept the country into the eu without knowing its parameters, it would be without precedent... and in the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine have already responded to orbán's provocative statement, the department's spokesman oleg nikolenko wrote on social networks , we note positively that the prime minister of hungary is concerned about ukraine's accession to the european union, we inform you that ukraine did not change its territories within internationally recognized borders, that is which ukraine's move, either to the european union or to nato, will definitely find the orbans, well , i don't know, forgive me what i will say in the plural, but those people who obviously, obviously, do not want to see us even in nato, they don't want to see us, not even in the european union, and they have a certain interest in cooperation with the same putin, well, orban has business with the russians there, and in what way can we overcome

er, this urbanization of the european union and nato? well, i'll probably start with what i really liked. the answer of our mmz, only from myself, i would add one more phrase that, well, since our borders have not changed, one can ask whether orban is trying to tear off the shakavalok of our territory in the context of transcarpathia, in order to question the integrity of ukraine as such, because the way they a few years ago , they tried to create the ministry of transcarpathian affairs, which was already an encroachment on the territorial integrity of ukraine, well, it cannot withstand any criticism. second, orbán is a kind of fellow zhernovsky in the european union, but he positions those the questions we may be asked are radical or left-wing or right-wing environments in different countries, and here we are now facing the danger that the european union, especially our partner states, they have electoral processes, and depending on how

the situation will develop in of them in the countries, depending on whether support for ukraine as such will develop, which is extremely important for us now? it is for ukraine to be at the level, well , first of all, to do its homework, to fulfill all the requirements that are in the european union, because orban, he is so itself a very ambiguous figure and in europe , hungary has already been repeatedly issued official warnings regarding certain issues, and even the question of reducing their funding within the framework of the general budget of the european union was raised. and that is, orban - this is not a parable in chains, this is not a hundred percent bloc, there is a way to influence him, but what are the problems, and now my colleagues were on a visit to lithuania, so the lithuanian parliamentarians raised the question of why our parliamentarians are not there in the parliaments of other countries

of the world, in particular european states, in particular of the united states of america, why our parliamentarians are not engaged in parliamentary diplomacy, i believe that next to the fact that we have a rather toothless ministry of foreign affairs, which is often replaced by the office of the president and his unofficial advisers, who, in addition , are not even declared, but the fact that now there is essentially no parliamentary diplomacy , it has been reduced to zero, ostensibly under the pretext of trips to resorts there by tishchenko and other deputies, in fact, it was the president's office completely blocked by stefanchuk's hands the ability of deputies to go and work, even those who work very effectively in the international arena, so that the only beneficiary of any success in the negotiations between the european union and nato was president zelenskyi and persons close to him. but in fact, ukraine loses critically from this. and the parliamentarians should now between meetings work on the international arena, interpret the trends that exist, interpret the draft laws, interpret

the news that arise, because, for example, hungary is now, and the same, unfortunately, somewhere it is supported by romania, the question of what is being violated is dispersed. the rights of national minorities in ukraine, and by the way, in hungary we will still have problems with this , they say here that there is no study of the hungarian language in schools, that hungarian-speaking ukrainians are oppressed and so on, although in reality the situation is absolutely repulsive and hungary with this position, he is trying to deprive hungarian-speakers, or hungarians by nationality , of being citizens of ukraine, to be full-fledged citizens of ukraine and to know the basic ukrainian language in order to do business here, pay taxes to work in public authorities and so on, but this needs to be explained very well, there are nuances here: the lack of parliamentary diplomacy, by the way, is now also harmful in terms of the situation we have now obtained with our veteran in canada, who is infected by people , which are not at all oriented either in the history of ukraine

or in what is happening, and the ukrainian structures in canada mostly remain silent, as if in fact the ukrainian veteran is a criminal, although he is the one who fought against bolshevism for the ukrainian state, and he passed all possible checks in great britain and two in canada, and accordingly there are no crimes against him as such for... fixed, and now all of ukraine is being harassed because of him, and now it seems to me that instead of stupid discussions, as kornienko said, possible transitions to a presidential form of government with a strong president, on the contrary, we would have to launch parliamentary diplomacy, public diplomacy, diplomacy of historians and professionals around the world as much as possible in order to defend ukraine's position and rally and next to our international partners, here is ms. sofia.

you mentioned this story with our veteran of the sss galicia division, who lived in canada, by the way , he did not live in ukraine after the second world war, because he first got to great britain, then emigrated to canada, and if, well, the question is quite logical, if the british and canadians did not have any complaints against this veteran, who is called anatoly gunka, he is 98 years old, he is already at a respectable age, now there is a storm in canada, because the speaker of the parliament has resigned through the invitation of this veteran during zelsky's speech in the canadian parliament. justin trudeau, the prime minister of canada , apologized to canada, to the whole world, that they invited this veteran to the canadian parliament. i already read somewhere that he was being bullied there in canada itself. he said that i would go to live to be old. latin america , i did not hear any official reaction from the ukrainian authorities, although this all happened under

the president of ukraine, in the hall where the president of ukraine was, and well, at least there should have been some reaction mfa, what are you listening to, well, these are not criminals, if they were criminals, then probably since 1945, these veterans would have answered for this, or they were somewhere, sent to prison or convicted, that is, there are no charges against him , but we have, the hype, on which russian propaganda is now trying to create, the image of ukraine as a fascist state, because they say, well, listen, look, veterans there were in the fascists, in ukraine in general, there is a whole country of such hunks and they are also fascists, why do you think... we are here we will lose in this, because this is a very important element during the current war,

the information response, the counter response to such things. to begin with, you just need to know the stories. unfortunately, our government does not know it, does not want to know it, and these difficult moments of our history, they are simply afraid of whether it is possible to name all the participants. it is with the heroes, probably not, can they all be called criminals, just as well no, because it has already been proven by many commissions, in particular the numerical tribunal, that they are ordinary combatants, that is, in essence victims of the great war, and if we remember that most of the divisional soldiers died in the brodivsky cauldron, where they were forced to fight against the same ukrainians who were on the side of the soviet army because of the year of the war, then we can say that it was a huge tragedy, for the ukrainian people, they were checked, i will emphasize again, three times, once in great britain and twice with a gap of 30 years in the same canada, where

a special commission was created, also all this was completely examined by the division's activities at the nuremberg tribunal, and i believe that this is nonsense, that the speaker resigned and it is nonsense that trudeau is now apologizing because the nazis and fascists are now the moscow federation and sorry there was no wafs in 39 but the soviet union signed a separate molotov ribbentrop pact with nazi germany and continues to do now in various ways, let's say, to destroy people's destinies, yes, the ipso is crazy now, but you know what i was surprised about, that the hindus, who are now actively cooperating with the moscow federation, who now they actually support it at the government level, because the majority of ordinary people do not support it, they actively work with the moscow federation, support the killing

of ukrainians, as such, well, that is, these things, they are absolutely not. and the ukrainian state should give very clear, very short, understandable explanations of what happened, but all this silence and only isolated posts of statements by historians and public figures, this is of course very little, but i thank those who made them. you are ms. sofia, a member of the committee of the verkhovna rada on humanitarian and information policy, well, of course, i can't help but ask you what the current situation is in the committee, because this committee was headed by nestor shufra, he was removed from this position, acting now, i am i understand there is brahar, that’s right, look, look, i’m in the humanitarian and information policy committee, it was once headed by tkachenko, now it’s headed by mykyta boturaev, you know, i ’m knocking back, tfu-tfu-tfu, our committee is very

active now defending the interests of ukraine and ukrainian information space and this is the freedom of speech committee headed by shufrel is now headed by bragar and there are still a few of the same, not very , let's say it, uh, delicate, how to say, no, no, no, not very, not very good deputies, let's say it, in fact, the committee on issues of freedom of speech, it should be headed by a representative of the opposition force, since the only opposition in the parliament is european solidarity, then we have already declared that we are applying to be part of this committee, we have enough absolutely worthy candidates, starting with mykola knyazhytskyi, viki syumar, volodymyr ariyev, volodymyr vyatrovich and so on, and unfortunately, we see trends when pro-government groups, factions in power, really want to lead the same way and are already conducting separate negotiations about it, although with the opposition, they are not have no relationship.

currently, if i am not mistaken, there are only three people in the committee, because everyone respects themselves, people actively left there so as not to be together with shufrych, but this committee is now desperately needed, its work is needed, in particular, in the restoration of democratic messages and an open information space, well, the work of your committee and the committee on freedom of speech is also needed in the formation or creation of a foreign language, which was once destroyed by the creation of the tv channel dom na... , which speaks russian, and we have completely disappeared a foreign language, which from foreign language, if very briefly, is this question raised, at the last committee two days ago we raised this issue, in particular with colleagues knyazhytskyi and vyatrovych, and unfortunately now foreign language is

a propaganda muddle in my moscow language, foreign language in english and other languages ​​has been destroyed by the servants for the time being, but we constantly raise this issue that it should be actively returned, and we agreed that one of the nearest committees will consider a report by a tv channel on what is being done, how it is being done, where it is being done, what are the indicators, so that further it was possible to push away from it. thank you, ms. sofya, this was sofya fedina, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we are working live on tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watch us live on youtube please like this video. video, and also take part in our vote, because literally a few seconds remain before the end of this vote , do you support the legalization of weapons in ukraine, 77% of those who are currently watching us on youtube have already said yes, and 23% are against the legalization of weapons in ukraine , i will put an end to this, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your

relatives, have a good weekend, goodbye. congratulations on the broadcast from ukraine, in the studio in london jafero, today in the program we are talking about wounded ukrainian soldiers and how they learn to live with injuries, and in some cases, with a different face. the ukrainian authorities do not disclose how many soldiers were injured during the full-scale russian invasion, according to medics, we are talking about thousands of soldiers. how military personnel are rehabilitated and what problems they face when returning to civilian life. i was injured 41 years ago and my last surgery was four years