i welcome jafer umerov to ukraine in the studio in london, today in the program we are talking about wounded ukrainian soldiers and how they learn to live with injuries and in some cases with a different face. ukrainian authorities are not disclosing how many soldiers were injured during the full-scale russian invasion. according to medics, we are talking about thousands of fighters. how is the rehabilitation of military personnel and what problems do they face when returning to civilian life? i was injured 41 years ago and my last operation was four years ago ago. restoration.

life goes on after injuries - says former british soldier, falkland war veteran, simon weston, who received burns to almost half of his body and face. the issue of military recovery after injuries is complex, it is a long process that consists of various stages. a bbc film crew went to one of the main hospitals where the wounded from the front line, since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of russia, were helped, more than 20 thousand soldiers were helped here, many of them lost their limbs, reports orligherin. under the cover of night, they bring the wounded. everyone is given their own number. everyone... a

man, a father or a son? this is the pain of a whole generation. every day, the medical staff receives from 50 to 100 wounded people here. they have just brought another seriously wounded soldier, the boy is only a little over 20, and his leg has already been amputated. this is a place where you realize the price of war, the price paid by soldiers, paid by ukraine. ukraine now has a whole army of people with amputations, a staggering number of people, 15,000, lost their limbs in the first six months of this year alone. most of them are fighters, such as patient number 159, vyacheslav, he lost his leg. nurse oksana and her colleagues.

we talk to them, try to cheer them up, hold their hands, feed them, if it's a young guy, i treat him like my own son, our front is here in the hospital, we do what we have to do, we do our duty, their duty "connections are round-the-clock operations, attempts to restore bodies damaged by mines and outfits, there are 50 operating theaters, but doctors say that this is not enough, for the main doctor, not just patients are wounded, you are a hero , you are a hero and you are not ashamed of it, that 15-year-old son, he must be brought up, oleksia is 38 years old, the other day he lost both legs, you must, believe me.

a very, very difficult injury, and i am very glad that oleksii survived, it was an explosion, the explosion was on a mine, and unfortunately his friends did not survive, and you have many patients with such serious injuries, all of them are like that - he says fearfully. sometimes there are wounds that are impossible.

in words, horrors that cannot be seen, more than 20,000 wounded soldiers passed through these door for a new one. european war, a conveyor belt of embalmed bodies. 2,000 of them received disability. even when the war is over, for many it will last a lifetime. various volunteer initiatives and public organizations help soldiers who have received care. the founder of the non-flammable project maksym turkevich told about the problems with aesthetic medicine, if we are talking, for example, i don’t know, about a soldier with a burn tram, let’s say he was a tank driver, and he got, i don’t know, a tank blew up on some kind of mine , and the fighter accordingly received there

serious burns, for example, 35-40% burns of the body, he is evacuated, he is given the first first aid, then, for example, he goes to the combustiological burn... center, or immediately goes to the combustiological burn center, there accordingly the combustiologists give him the first help with this injury and make it so that, in principle, this injury is compatible with life. here actually comes the moment when the state actually ceases to have any serious resources in order to do something with this fighter further, that is, this is where we actually come into contact, we pass directly into what we do, and we begin to face the fact that the state is now a blind spot for the state, eh, and this is actually the restoration of functionality and the restoration of the quality of life of a fighter, it's just that the rehabilitation system must be rethought, because well the approaches that we are now using, the challenges

that we are now beginning to solve , they are non-traditional, that is, they have not been asked before, uh, and we now understand that with the experience that we..." have in the last one and a half to two years, eh, we just have the opportunity to already develop our own, own vision of what our national rehabilitation system should look like, i think that it is simply necessary, it is necessary to start with the fact that simply the state and civil society should help in this state, they should jointly rethink what it looks like, that , what does the rehabilitation system look like, because what we are talking about now, for example, laser treatment of already deforming trauma, post-combustiological, this is in principle... there is no way to rehabilitate the patient there, this in principle does not exist in rehabilitation packages, that is, in principle, these things are not foreseen, and this is an important thing, because no one expected, no one expected two years ago, that there would be such a number of injured soldiers, but this challenge arose, which means that we need to

solve it. last fall, an artilleryman from the sso, bohdan moroshko, was seriously wounded during hostilities. he lost an eye, partial mobility of his limbs. since then , the soldier has undergone more than ten operations, but this is not the end, next is plastic surgery to get rid of scars, as the ukrainian military removes the traces of war from face and body, about it in the next report, after that, well, so that there are fewer memories about it, because i also look in the mirror there in the morning somehow, well, i'm a little dexterous. when war injuries heal, wounded ukrainians are faced with the choice of having expensive plastic surgery or living with a new appearance, in the donetsk region

they went to kharkiv to liberate them, they were under raisins, volnovaha, well, in many places, well, all along the front line, roughly speaking, they went, and then we left. he is studying slovakian, yes, in mine, he studied at suzany 2, well, the science is like that, and after that, yes it turned out that we got bohdan , a soldier of the armed forces of ukraine, discharged due to his health, he was injured a year ago , since then he has undergone about ten operations, but this is not the end, he is stretching it, not much, but i could feel the feeling, how much now bohdan has a chance to get rid of these scars,

we have to compare our tissues in this case so that there is no strong tension on the tissues and it does not take shape. bohdan is accompanied by his wife on the way to recovery. she works in the hospital, where a year ago a wounded soldier was brought from the battlefield. there and the love story of this family began. after the injury, i realized that. the fact that i survived, because the commander of the gun did not survive, yes, the second guy received 76% of his body, the driver, a slight contusion, he pulled us out, well, i already learned everything, as soon as i came to my senses, i lie like this and think , well, apparently, somehow i survived, so the next step to recovery, this plastic surgery, is being done to bohdan for free, thanks to pro' like other such initiatives, for example, non-flammable or zagrava, these

benefactors help start the traces of the war. these scars, they remind of this complex event, they return the psychological person to this event, and now there are many modern means that can remove these, these effects. there are no official data on the full number of victims of the war. and according to various estimates, thousands of wounded may need the services of aesthetic medicine. it is necessary to appreciate life, they are remembered in every detail, anyone, i know for sure, has already remembered it like this. why ukraine should plan long-term support for veterans already now , a veteran of the falkland war, simon, told in an interview with the bbc weston. he became one of the key figures of the veterans movement in great britain, during the 1982 war he was badly burned and

injured, he was 20 years old. most of our veterans are supported by charities, even today, after ww1, ww2 and all wars after, including mine, we are mostly supported... charity, the government did very little and we had to fight the government. it just so happened that i was a veteran of the war where television, radio and newspapers gave way i have the opportunity to put pressure on the government, put pressure on the infrastructure, to give us support, because the veterans of my war did not get the proper support, the veterans of the persian gulf war were given support, we had to stand up for ourselves. yes, i know you've been advocating for support for veterans, and i want to ask you

to talk about what you've been fighting for and why it's important? we had to fight for a military hospital that dealt with war problems, you probably don't have such problems now, but for the future, i was wounded 41: a year ago, and my last surgery was four years ago, just to let you know, there is no end to surgery, human suffering does not end after injury and we all have mental health issues, we all have them in some form, i no longer have but in some of your women and men, they will remain. when military personnel suffer a life-changing injury, what

do they need? i've seen groups of women weaving camouflage nets and packing boxes of parcels for the front lines, that's great, but there has to be a bigger plan for what to do when the bombs and the bullets will stop flying, because if you don't take care of your people, they will end up in uzbija. politicians wouldn't have their positions after the war if it weren't for all these people who are making absolute sacrifices right now to free your country from invaders. and i think, i hope, that here zelsky seems to be a man in his place, at least that's how the world perceives him. i hope if he hears it, maybe. he will say: i guess we haven't thought about it yet, but it's time to think about it, because this

war won't last forever. that's all for today keep yourselves. greetings, friends, good health, mykola veresen, vitaly portnikov, always on fridays late at night , you and i start a conversation about, first of all, undoubtedly, as always, about the war, about the military situation, and then we will move on to america, and to poland and hungary , in short there is more to talk about, oleksandr hara, foreign security policy expert, defense

strategy center, with us, good health, mr. oleksandr, thank you for finding time for dinner for us, thank you for the invitation , i'm sorry i didn't... i don't have a hat in my uniform, but this is on the occasion of the anniversary of the death of her majesty the queen, i'm sorry, but it's a shame, well then , let's talk, let's start with the visit of nato secretary general jens stotenberg to the ukrainian capital, that's when he talks about the fact that ukraine is close to nato membership than ever this is a quote what is like never and does this mean we are close to nato membership? let's figure it out. are these philosophical questions about the glass being half full or vice versa, it is clear that the visits we have seen this week, both french and british the minister of defense, and the secretary general, on the one hand, they should show continued support for ukraine, on the other

hand, get certain, let's say, insights from the point of view of what ukraine is capable of, in the near future, we understand that the clouds are above us something like that, let's say, thicken from the point of view of support, and get the states we can talk later, here, and such words, of course, that they are such complements, already traditional, it is clear that the secretary general of nato, he is just a functional, functioning, yes let's say he is an element definitely cannot ensure voting at the level of nations, and we see how with problems sweden... gets its membership, well, and we can, shall we say, imagine that, for example, the same hungary, putin's trojan horse in nato and yes, how will she behave in relation to ukraine, so these words are compliments, encouragement, an assessment of the successes of our armed forces, they may

look slow now, but we know that changes are actually accumulating in order to make a breakthrough, we hope. in the near future we will see it, by the way, you are talking about hungary, hungary is now saying that sweden should not rush to join nato, and ukraine cannot join the european union until it ends the war and solves the issue of borders, borders, so it somehow happens at the same time, so you know, well, in general we're going to have more problems with this country , and i'm not even from the point of view that it's small, it's not a contributor to either security or... well-being in the european union, that's it, but it's playing a more and more negative role of this conservative counter-revolution, and you know, it's quite strange when american trumpians come to hungary, these pseudo -conservatives who are proud of their acquaintance with orbán, who study the experience, what

does orbantsya mean with soros, what does that mean with these walkers, yes, that is, extreme... manifestations, i i do not praise them, but i am simply saying that this hungary has become a model of such a pseudo-conservative new approach, so we will still have problems and it is clear that they are delusional about their own greatness, claiming not only our territories, but also several its allies on yeto, well, but i understood that, to put it this way, this is not the age, not the time, when na will be able to influence something, maybe she is hoping that something will happen to us so that she can seize her native territories, but i think this is a vain hope. mr. oleksandr, a little bit about the theory of language, whether he was or is , we never found out, the commander of the black sea

fleet, mr. sokolov, they said that he died, then that he did not die, then the russians began to show him, then no one i didn't believe that he was so healthy, but here he is the latest information, well, so funny, in my opinion, is that the commander of the black sea russian federation entered into a conspiracy with the armed forces of ukraine, and this is now quite popular, but i understand that this is not a question for a political scientist, but for a psychiatrist , but maybe you have some we all in a year and a half, watching russia, a little bit all psychiatrists, to him, this moment, it is when he died, then he is bad, and if he was alive, then he did not join the conspiracy , so i will sneak up on the armed forces of ukraine, i just don't... understand these logical things cause-and-effect relationships, that the living died, now it is not known whether he is alive or dead, but the traitor for sure, well, if he was of a lower rank,

he must have been on leave or resigned from the service earlier, because such a version would have been more verified, here, but of course, you and i are speculating, joking, because , well, you know, conspiracy theory is such a thing, like a religion, they believe in it, because it's absurd , that's actually what i read, they're trying to say , that actually boiled over there a little, but we know that in russia it has always been like that, and in order to cover it up, he allegedly conspired with our special services, well, god forbid, god forbid, that such an experience, if it is true, can spread in the russian federation, and all those russian thieves will coordinate our strikes and we will destroy... headquarters headquarters and warehouses and command posts and so on, god forbid, look, now about the military, the military situation, as if there was a breakthrough near the recruiting station in

zaporizhzhia, as if the ukrainians are advancing quite energetically, as if russian patriots are writing, they don’t like it like that, they such they sound the alarm, and it's a matter of believing or not believing, because during the war you can't, as you said about religion, you can believe or not believe, and it's obvious that there are also attempts by the ukrainian armed forces to deceive the russians, to give the desired for real and so on and the like, ukrainians also often have some exaggerated expectations during the war, russians also have some understated expectations that the ukrainian army did not go so deep, that the ukrainian army went in, what can we say in general about the zaporizhian front and about opportunities or hopes of ukrainian troops, well, you know, i'm not a military expert, so i can't tell you in detail, especially since i don't have access to people who

are directly there, i, let's say, draw information from the same sources as you, social networks, first of all , and what i see hasn't changed, the trend that hasn't changed is that the ukrainian defense forces are advancing gradually, they can't be stopped by the russians, because they... actually they started the cycle, so generation of forces, too late, political constraints regarding, therefore, mobilization, they remain until the elections putin, although there was an announcement of a call-up of 130,000, it seems that, so far, we are winning in that we have the means, when russia cannot, let's say, generate enough reserves so that they can somehow... plug our holes, i'm not talking about counterattacking somewhere with success, of course they will try to do it, and there is information like this, here, but i think that we should be

more or less calm here, that ours are advancing, it's a pity that it wasn't strengthening us with weapons and ammunition, to such a level that it gave us an advantage, and in fact we were already on our way to the sea of ​​azov itself, in the other... the crimea was cut off, so i hope that nothing has changed in this trend that has been visible for the past few weeks, look, yes, please , you, you, to you, you said that about the elections, about the mobilization, you think that by march you can forget about the mobilization, putin will not dare to announce his reassignment before the elections,... mobilization, that is, he will limit himself to those 130 months of the usual, if the spring-autumn set? of course not,

since the previous mobilization was not completed, it is simply one thing to do it secretly, when in the conditions of total control over mass media, well, there is no clear information, even such an empirical one, about the amount of this meat being collected. in the ranks of the armed forces of the russian federation, in a way, they will continue to do it, and they are trying to do it, but of course , when it is a legal regime, when, of course , propaganda will be turned on, that the whole homeland is in danger, it is necessary for everyone everyone who can take a weapon should go, so i think so, and it is clear that putin needs at least, we know that he will be elected, until he is killed, yes, or he himself . physical life will end in some other way, that's why, but the appearance that this is a legal democratic state, the appearance that he is a lawmaker, yes, that is, that everything

happens without... violating the laws actually written by him, of course, that he will try to hold on in the future. i would just like to emphasize that this mobilization, which you are talking about with mykola, is the mobilization of the strodkoviki, and these people, according to russian law, cannot enter the area of ​​the so-called special military operation, and they can be forced to sign contracts, then illegally and so on, but these are not the 130,000 who can be part of this group, but something else about this mobilization worries me, that it is also taking place in the territories occupied by the russian federation, that is, not only in crimea, where it is constantly happening, but also in the donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhia regions, i it seems that this is the first time, the truth is that this mobilization is taking place, it is open, yes, yes, no , it is closed there, they just grabbed people , but they were older people, and these are people there from 18 to 27 years old, and this worries me from the point of view from the point of view of the de-occupation of the territory, because you understand, the occupation can take place there in a year or in five or seven years, during this time because of

russia. tens of thousands of young people will pass through the army, who will usually be processed there, respectively, with whom they will work, as well as employees of the federal security service of the russian federation, who will be recruited, as you remember, it always happened in the soviet army, it is happening in the russian one, you and i know how it happens in general, and as a result, under the condition of deoccupation, we will get an extensive network of fsb agents in the occupied territories, but not in some: there, you know, the power structures, and among ordinary people, among people who will simply undergo military service in the russian army, and what to do with it, i still do not really understand, well , you know, you know, in principle, unlike donetsk, luhansk and crimea, where, nine years, it actually happened, hidden, and of course there is a whole generation with washed-up troops who hate us and do not understand what is really happening, then with the current occupied territories of the south of ukraine,

something is different, i hope that the majority of who could, still escaped from there and will not, well, let's say this, exposed to this threat of propaganda contagion, this generation, this is the first moment, and the second moment, you know, well, as it seems to me, donetsk region, luhansk region is devastated in many ways , and from the point from the point of view of what was destroyed, produced and exported, and from the point of view of what was used as cannon fodder, that means our fellow citizens in the occupied territories. actually, killing them will actually be part of the solution to that problem. it's a pity that this is happening, but actually they don't feel sorry, they don't feel sorry for their own people, even more so, these local ones. therefore, when we return these territories, i mean , those that were occupied in the 14th year, then there will be the least problems with this, of course, people will be zombified, but you know, also

the specifics of the psyche of eastern ukraine, when it will be understood that there is a powerful government and when it will be ensured, the actual opportunity to live, i have social security, other things, then this whole ideology of russian peace will dry out, and most importantly, the propagandists and vatashki, they will either be in destroyed, or they will flee from there, so i don't think that this is such a big problem in quantitative terms, but in any case, we remember from history, well, even as the british and americans in other territories will say, and british in the north ireland was engaged in this pacification , that is, of course, for a long time it will be necessary to carry out complex measures in order to control the situation, a counter-intelligence regime, counter-terrorist, of course preventive work will be carried out, that is , i understand that these are, well, let's say simple things, but we have to prepare for that in terms of training and personnel and understanding

how it will unfold, well, literally as follows: the day we liberate these territories, thank you, yes, hara, an expert on foreign security policy, the center for defense strategies, was from by us, now in the united states, to yuri rashkin, a political and public figure of the united states, now he will appear, as soon as he appears, we will immediately switch to the russian language, no, immediately, we can wait, it seems to me that there is already , yuriy, yes, it will be now, we will say right away that we will talk with yuriy about this letter. long, which is related to these demands for reforms, proposals, well, they are somehow not, not that the demands, they are good, you will not be bad, if you do it, you will be better, you yourself will be it is better if it is obtained, yes, of course , it is mine, i agree that it is indeed a proposal, who can put forward demands, there are already saying that there is no american, that it does not depend,