[000:00:00;00] kazakhstan, which is against this and strengthened the procedure for importing drones and spare parts, i.e. kazakhstan blocks the import of drones into its territory, when it realized that such schemes exist, so what, what exactly are we talking about, what would have happened, how was it would be great if, for example, the following steps were taken in the european union, well, not only, in an ideal scenario, this is also the country, that lb we talked about, but there is unpleasant news along with that, because they say that the russians managed to buy enough and introduce enough spare parts , enough drones and accumulate already a certain amount the number of them will be enough for the next few months, for sure, while they will deal with this ban on exports from china, or set up schemes with parallel imports?

yes, you are right, and it seems to me that such problems will not arise from now on, until the international arena speaks about it, due to the fact that there are simply a number of ways to bypass all this, but now i want to to talk in general about autumn technologies, because you consider yourself autumn investigators, so i noted at the beginning that this is intelligence based on open data, it is interesting understand the audience, in fact, and how do you work with data? and you will learn about what we talked about now, for example, the investigation of china by drone, and if we talk about this investigation, then, for example, about schools, well, it all started with a simple, everything, everything always starts with google, where we google, er, er, prosaic, er, about training, training for drone operators, but it, of course, is

rare. it happens that you have everything in the palm of your hand at once, eh, then we have to get into the same telegram, into some platforms on the same avito and already there more look in detail, that's where we find them, and we move on from that, we see what kind of legal profession it is, for example, who does it, or where this school is located, what is nearby and we look at the people who work there in those schools, er, and who they are connected with, we are already starting with... from research about companies , we are moving on to personal things, that is, we are already researching people and, accordingly, studying a little about their social circles, what they are, who they are and , and we’re taking it apart, that’s how it turned out with, with the alabuga, the same one, this is the factory where they make, shahedi now, yes, shahedi, we are actually just

watching the video. where the faces glow, and then we search by the face of these people, and you can find a person by their face just like that on the internet, this is an open search based on open data, or is it a little bit like this tool is not completely open, after all, it is still a search based on open data, and there are freely available tools, such as this one, it’s just that you have to make sure that this is the right person, so sort through a pile of garbage and you can simply lead to a dead end very often there, because this this person can there not to be, but, but fortunately, it can be, but it turns out, and you have powerful tishniks who know how to work with certain programs, is it not necessary to be an itishnik here, you just need to be able to have some analytical abilities

and sit and work to search, search, search, if we talk about the investigation, then there is more understanding of where, where to look, which waybills, that is, where, where to look, which legal entities, that is, understanding the registers first of all, that is, it cannot be attributed to t, it's more like a jurisdiction, something something, something like that, something legal, but it is, as it were, a friend, a party, it’s like when we do some other investigations, for example, there we investigate someone on a vulnerability, or we try to see what is there, in the background of the website of some organization, then yes , then you already need to have some it skills, that is, on the surface of the use of seemingly ordinary tools and platforms that people know, but in fact you can dive deeper into them and see the information that

people usually do not notice, that's it it's just a deep analysis and you know step-by-step study in order not to miss any detail, who, where, when was, well, in your investigation, you discovered that there are 10 legal entities, companies that buy these drones in russia, that is, they are the final recipients of those drones that are bought through all these laying countries, let's call them what they are, what kind of structures , what kind of companies, they are private, they are semi-state, how are they connected with these training centers for drone operators, and from what we published, there are direct ones there. it was pointed out to us that one of the educational centers that we have listed is indeed he buys directly, and it is best to see who he is in this chain, and all the other companies, they are also like that, well,

they are not very bright and eh, the people there are not super involved in all this, that is there , too, most likely, the denominations, that's it. i probably won't tell you any more at this point, but the phrase that stuck out to me is what we've been posting, which is that you don't post all the information you get, where you send it, and what happens to it, and how much you work, yes, we seem to picked up on the key, that is, you know that certain information can harm a certain country and can better convey it in a different way, or do you collect it? not so much for public space, but these are the kind of leftovers that end up in the warehouse. yes, first of all, we are the ones with this information, in order to use this information as much as possible against the enemy, the enemy must learn about it in the last instance or already after

using this information, that is, yes, we publish it already when uh, when everyone who needed it and who needed it saw it certain structures, that is, countries or our structures? mm, let's say this, ours and allies, that is, you conduct this public intelligence in public sources, i mean, collect information, then pass it on to the special services there, which are engaged in intelligence, counterintelligence, that's what you said, i and yes, and well, i think so, our country is in a state of war, and only later , according to the results of how this information will be unofficially processed by our special services, you have the opportunity to make some part of the information public, yes, even nothing, nothing

not to add, you super laid everything out by the police , that's about it, that is, in simple words, you are public intelligence officers, well, how do journalists work, yes, a journalist finds information, immediately puts it in the public space, and then, sometimes situations occur when not really... all the government bodies there are delighted that this information became public, you work the other way around, you search , take non-public steps, then something, publish something, yes, but there were stories when you found certain information and passed it on to journalists the time, new york times, more somewhere, and they published from themselves, as if they found out, found out about the war in ukraine, and it worked on a more global level, because when you publish in ukraine, it’s one thing, and when the whole world learns about it, it’s another, yes , this, this has happened many, many times, over and above, we have such publications in a year, then

, this, this, this is what we do, and in principle, they do not hide that it was molfar who provided them with this data , but from the latter, for example, the times published an article about eh, the new york times, sorry. er, there was a material about er, propaganda in games, that is where we investigated the question of how propaganda now, russian propaganda, it is meant, enters the game business and is already trying somehow to influence children from there, uh, these same chat-roulettes, or something else, no-no, this is about some kind of minecraft or roblox, where there is an opportunity in the game. to create a community and or it is possible to rebuild some kind of conditional red square and spend there, what is it called, that they walk with portraits?

yeah yeah i just forgot what it's called yes, that is, they, they, they are gathering, they are gathering on the server and are holding this march, so and so, we analyzed the question, where in which games it is, how it is covered and who is behind it, this is the last one, i have not heard such, even though all the games, well, for now, it will soon be... played, yes, i hope, no , no, otherwise the sbu will come with me, then, if i will play such games, if you will conduct the immortal regiment, yes, i still want to ask about your investigation into the factory in valabuz for the production of shaheids, everyone already knows that in in russia, there is a factory for the production of shaheds under construction, perhaps already built, and operating, it is located precisely in alabuz, and it turns out that yours discovered it.

analysts this information, and from the video that they published, in principle, it became clear what, where, how and who, that is, what i said, from the faces, from the way this one, like , like the factory looks like from the inside, and where these photos were lit before, you will show, everything was clear from the video, how large-scale this factory is, how it works, tell me everything? because i have not seen, for example, the videos of those you are talking about now you say, yes, because we, it seems to me, we didn’t even make the material from it, it somehow just came out of our hands and that’s all, how far this factory for the production of shaheeds has spread now, because they have nightmares, well, they have plans there they are not bad, they plan to produce 5 or 600 shaheds by the 25th year, but now... uh

, they have already done it in literally months, uh, i don't, i don't want, i don't want, i don't remember the exact number, but i know that they are a little behind the schedule, about 300 shahed behind, but uh, in principle and such capacities, and we also published the workers that we found , yes, yes, yes, yes, i found them on your resource, yes, i love people who are engaged, there are a large number of young people, most of them are young people, because of that, that - well, you yourself understand that this has a connection with it technologies, then they will recruit young people there who are already oriented plus or minus in this, but ee and, you are right, that there are mostly young people, and all they somehow have a connection to uh, min min. murders yes,

and iran is somehow involved in this, or representatives of iran come there to the factories, did they train them before this, and most likely they leave for - for training, we did not find traces of the iranians coming, but there is an understanding that these russians, they go for an internship , you can say how much yours is. of investigators has increased during the war because we keep hearing about investigative tools, is your organization expanding, is your molfar community expanding, are there other groups of people doing similar work, and everyone, everyone works there somewhere in their own direction, for moyfar i can say that he... since the beginning of the full-scale community has grown,

then it has probably already doubled, and even in 2.5 there, if measured by some subscribers, because this is actually the core of the community, out of the conditional seven, now we have about 25,000 people who take part in the search for information, they do not accept directly, but we form volunteers from them, because they are people interested and they participate in this, we have a volunteer direction, and when people we are being helped to look for propagandists, for example, now volunteers, what do they do, this is, we are looking for propagandists all over the world, which is meant, of course, i mean russian propagandists, because in every country there is some

individual who... you will sympathize with and study russian narratives and discover it and then pass it on to whoever needs it, collect this information, yes, yes, and in fact, volunteers help us, and by the way , we have several lists of such lists, we have lists of traitors from kherson oblast, traitors from zaporizhzhia, they are already published on our website , that's why, yes, thank you very much for an interesting conversation, we are waiting for your new investigations, new analytics, on your resource, success, behind these shadows hides the real face . and osinta analysts know these faces and spiskovsky , an analyst of the molfar community, visited us, the night watchman, natali ostrovs, i'm evganplinsky, see you on the air, friends,

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, really, we just had a discussion last week friday, and now next friday, today we are again going to a discussion format. good evening to all who joined us just now, this is a national telethon, and today we decided to talk about this list of reforms that was allegedly handed over to the ukrainian authorities, and to fulfill the ones demanded by the imf, and the institutions of the european community, and washington, and let's talk about what is currently being discussed by the community corresponds to reality, yes, and does it really depend on this list of reforms, on their implementation depends on the supply of weapons, depends on the financing of ukraine, depends on recovery and reconstruction, and everything depends on the list of reforms, well, that’s the topic we have today, you can, i’m a little i would even say more broadly, i would say a list

of reforms and signals that ukraine is now starting to receive, this list is one of the signals, the opening of offices, as the three auditors say, is the second signal, well, priezdoltong is the third signal, we have magater btam taken in the presiding body, that is, a lot is happening, next week there will be signals and many signals, but we need to understand what we have to prepare for, because the 24th year will be very difficult. in particular, at least 20 countries have to go through elections, so we have to to understand how we can leave, as you say, our subjectivity to international politics, not become this toy, and what do we need, yes, these signals, what should they lead us to, but let's start right away, i will introduce to the satisfaction of the guests, volodymyr fasenko, political expert , i congratulate you, good evening, yes, well , the audience knows, andriy dligach, doctor of economic sciences, shevchenko konu professor, ceo of advant group, congratulations, and taras semenyuk, international political. welcome, congratulations, good evening, congratulations, and what, then let's start with that the first signal that natalya started talking about, this letter that came

, a lot of conversations, is it an ultimatum, is it advice, why most of these advices are duplicated with other documents, signals that we have from the imf of other factors, and many people ask, yes, that is if we don't do everything, for example, help has been requested, they are folded for us, is there already an explanation, but i will immediately calm everyone down, i think now, andriy is better about the content, there is a lot. economy and about the management system, about interaction with partners in this area, but what about help, first appeared yes, such, in my opinion, is an incorrect thesis that this is a condition, providing us with military aid, then, she is so scared, like, yes, yes, no, then immediately, almost immediately, they denied that no, it is not about military aid, yes it will be provided. and further, well, because this is a matter of life and death, and it is very important , and i think that no one

will do such a stupid thing, but regarding financial assistance, yes, i do not think that it will be suspended completely, here is how to use a certain regulator on certain topics, on certain positions, this perhaps, and that is why this list should be taken seriously, although again it is not an ultimatum, it is not an obligation, there even in the text of the document it is said that this is such a ... certain framework and immediately after the appearance of this document , or rather after it was made public, the next day a meeting of the coordination platform of our donors took place , government representatives also took part there, so we still need to coordinate there, and i will tell you that in some positions, in principle, everything is fine there, even in most positions, but for some questions, i think there is something to agree on both in terms of dates and content, and it is also possible to catch up, and why did this list of reforms fly into the back. well, i think that

it was discussed with the representatives of our delegation in washington, but just in case, they decided to make it public so that, well, this is such a traditional tool of additional, additional influence, yes, so that the ukrainian public knows about the fact that the usa has its own requirements, has its own position, so this is an additional weight, so that there are not only private ones, let's say yes, well, mr. andriy, tell me about the contents of this document, what did you see, read, interestingly, there is a deadline, well, one and a half years, how realistic is it, even with our desire to implement all this, some three months, yes, we tried to lay it out on such a time scale, first of all i will say that i absolutely agree, this is not an ultimatum, it is a framework, it is very good that we have a certain formalization of relations, this is such a guideline. yes, maybe we disagree with something , as a civil society, i am convinced that the government and the president are also in

discussions are with the partners, but at least when the position of the partners is formalized, we have something to discuss, it is much worse when there are some conditions there, which are not manifested, and we do not know why certain assistance does not take place, why the provision is prolonged, for example , atacoms, although i hope for very good news, and if you look at all this, then this document, a summary of the negotiations that took place with the european union and the imf, with other institutions, and something else was added, here in behind your back just these demands succeeded to do, yes, uh, great, yes, great, it means that there is mainly, a lot has been done, yes, indeed, it is the issue of anti-corruption, courts, administrative issues, issues, i would not say that there is much for economic issues, not only more administrative and political, in fact, it seems to me that this document clearly

indicates a lack of understanding by our partners, the nature of ukrainian corruption and the negativity that can happen with such an approach to anti-corruption, explain, uh, what we faced, we faced that anti-corruption bodies are now, on the one hand, effective, and on the other hand, they grab those who do not hide, and we have already seen quite a lot of such, strange for civil society , for business, cases related, for example, to pivovarsky, to other former ministers or high-ranking officials who, from our point of view, did good for the country, from the point of view of a formal approach, maybe there was something wrong there, but are they the biggest evil for the country, definitely not, but for some reason the biggest evil is in our customs, in our tax system it remains, well, here is the number one reason, the reason for ukrainian corruption is not that

we don't imprison corrupt people a lot, the reason for ukrainian... corruption is in the economic relations that have developed in the country, and that corruption can only be overcome by economic reforms, and they are not required in fact, in the end, we are required to return to the conditions that existed before the war, this is an issue of the imf, i think we will discuss this separately today, yes, the imf, no, nothing concerns the real customs reform, although the customs in one points mentioned, dps not at all... it’s only mentioned there, i think it’s a mistake, or a translation or something , it’s there, there’s one mention of the dps, although definitely not reforms of the state tax service, and definitely nothing about systemic economic reforms, so that’s it rather about fighting the symptoms, which our international partners, the europeans and the americans, understood much better than us, because it is quite obvious to us that this is how we will not rebuke corruption, this is

how we increase corruption, this is how we drive it away. it is more likely to strengthen this corrupt state of security forces, well, mr. andriy, and why, what to them makes it difficult to understand the reasons, in fact, that corruption is not treated in our country, conventionally speaking, with a milinosyk, you know, because we are completely different, i am constantly scolded there, there is no need to talk about this bike, they write to me in the comments, in fact, we are in a certain unique situation, we have a completely different civil society, which is more flat, unorganized, which is more active . the structure of the economy, they look for years, and they not only find out the reason, but they study ukraine for many years, they work in all institutions, a huge

public sector works for them, so in order to convey this understanding. and yet they don't understand, so why don't they understand why there is this item, the law on the restoration of tax audits, explain to me why, why ms. kristalina georgieva, who heads the imf at one time 15 years ago, was in the tax reform team bulgaria, which also gave bulgaria the opportunity to make a breakthrough, and now they say that she is against similar reforms in ukraine, of course this cannot be... it is rather a matter of institutions. the world bank supports more breakthrough economic reforms in ukraine, because its key task is to think about development. the imf is more concerned with stability. and they are absolutely right on their part, because when there is no leadership in the government, when there is no clear understanding of what we will do with this reform, whether there is a consolidation of power, the verkhovna rada,

the executive power and the president, around a clear order of reforms, and not.. . paint this order of reforms, the verkhovna rada, which helps to create reforms or breakthrough policies, no, this is what is happening in our country, that's why they say , take the lead, form a plan, but you form a plan only when we ask you, when the imf asks you to do it, they say take leadership, of course, constantly at any meeting, they say, we are ready for ukrainian leadership, but take it, show the plan, now this plan, ukraine facility, the plan that... is already being made by the government together with the public sector, with public experts and business, this is the plan from us they are asking the european union as a response to the 50 billion for 4 years that they are ready to give us, but nevertheless, this is also money, and they are asking us to show a plan, okay, not all global, at least very clearly, that we we will do with this money, and we are currently working

on it, but they asked us, if it weren't for them, we would once again be in trouble.