[000:00:00;00] according to an understandable order of reforms, but there is no such order of reforms, the verkhovna rada, which helps to create reforms or breakthrough policies, no, this is what is happening in our country, that is why they say, so take the lead, form a plan, but you only form a plan when we we ask you when the imf asks to make a plan, and they say, take the leadership, of course, constantly at any meetings, they say, we are ready for ukrainian leadership, but take it, show the plan, now this... the ukraine facility plan, the plan that the government is already making together with the public sector, with public experts and business, this is the plan that the european union is asking us for, as a response to the 50 billion for 4 years that they are ready to give us, but nevertheless, this is also money, and they are asking us show a plan, okay, not all global, but very clearly what we will do with this money, and we are working

on it now, but they will ask us. if it weren't for them, then we would once again have finished something like what was done under lugada, this plan of the budget code, which we finally asks the imf, this is specifically what you're talking about, well, that's what we had, actually , well, yes, this is one of the exercises that we definitely have to do, from the imf's point of view, we have to show very clearly how we balance our budget, from the point of view of development, this is very little, but this is not the imf's business, the imf should not take care of our development, the development should be taken care of by the prime minister, the cabinet of ministers with the support of the verkhovna rada, or the prime minister minister, now the leadership saying we need a breakthrough growth plan, have you heard one, unfortunately i haven't, i wish to hear that instead we are constantly surviving, then who is to tell us, grow ukraine , become an investment-attractive country, who but us, only us, mr. taras, and please tell me, as you think, what

is connected with that the americans...' and they said, here's a plan for you and literally painted there such and such a month, such a month, by such a month must be completed by such a month, does this mean, as critics of the current government say, that this is a certain loss of sub' objectivity, i would continue andrii's thesis that if you don't have your own plan, one will be thrown at you from the outside, someone else will give you this plan, which will not correspond to your national interests. and this is partly due to these requirements, they are not new requirements in principle, since the 14th year they have been duplicated almost always, several times a year, if i am not mistaken, that is, this is evidence that these reforms are slowing down, and secondly, that we we really may not have a clear vision of where we are going, so we want to join the european union, yes, but why are we going to the european union, in order to put a tick, is it possible

to use the european union, i will say bluntly, forgive me constipation, as a tool for... enrichment, own development, to have your own plan, i ask you, this question is always on my tongue, and the european union is ready for the fact that ukraine will be enriched, well, this is already our question, to the maximum use what we will have in the european union, as poland did. second, the external aspect is very important, i will just add to that, ukraine is not just ready, the next big thing, the next big opportunity for the european union, we are the answer, we are the answer, we are the problem. yes and they also look at it, but looking at who? the european commission or the european parliament, if they looked at us like that, it would not be 50 billion, but the calculated 700 billion, what we lost during this war, and it will also be, or at least the scheduled tranches, i would understand that they signed the tranches, they didn't say, here's 50 for you, for a second, we need 650 plus more, yes, but still, let me remind you that we are an answer, not a question, we are definitely

an opportunity in europe... the union needs such new challenges, they now started talking about increase to 36 countries because we are responding, we have forced their security system to change, we are forcing the european union to change, but they are changing slowly, we have this, that is why they fear us, that is why they do not want to see us as we are , i repeatedly communicate with diplomats, and they very often 70% of them, on the issues of the war between ukraine and russia. well, you are like brothers, well, you can somehow get along with them, that is, there is a certain feeling that, well, ukraine, they still do not understand what ukraine is, and that is why they keep it somewhere at a distance, they help, because they understand that leaving it like this means getting a war later in poland, in the baltics and so on, up to the borders of nato in 1997, remember how they said in russia, yes, get out of here, but important there is also

the united states an external fact. because recently there has been a discussion, especially from the camp of the radical camp of the republicans, about the report on the funds allocated to ukraine, and it seems to me that this is an attempt to play on... regulation, like, we give them tasks, we control these funds, and obviously, this is the statement of one of representatives of the democrats that this is the biggest investment, the cheapest, but the biggest investment in the collapse of russia, that is, an investment in the defense of ukraine, that is, this is the second direction , this is the second track, the first is what we really have to do, and the second is the explanation of reporting to their voters, so obviously, and it's not just the united states of america, you said there will be 20 elections. governments are changing, this year there will be elections in poland and the netherlands, the netherlands remains in the crosshairs, and slovakia, that is, there is a cascade of elections, and obviously in europe, focusing on

public opinion in their countries, governments orientate themselves, if public opinion, for example, in the same in the same netherlands prevails in support of ukraine, they easily give us f16, if there was less support, there would be inhibitions, this is how it works in europe support, and therefore they focus on the following. elections to have some positive effect in ukraine, they will say that our investment in this country is justified, ukrainians are europeans, ukraine is a european country, let's move on, if there are no positive results, public opinion falls into the negative in our support, and the governments then slow down, why, because they care about the upcoming elections, they want to be re-elected, that is, they have also become partially hostage to our victories, not only victories on the field...' but also economic ones, so that if you very often still hear corruption corruption again, where this corruption is, it is there, we do not see it, but if it continues to be heard in these corridors, of the european parliament, about ukraine, i mean, in the white house, in the united states

of america, in general, well, this is a negative for us, and the last cases that we have seen, obviously, they are blatant, therefore, there is an appeal here, but where are we going to increase, for example, the number of nabu workers to 300 people, as it was also demanded are used up, that is, on the contrary, they need to be increased, and all this is connected with the report, conditionally to the voters, that investment in ukraine is not, well, it is not, let's say, an empty bet, it is not, it is not the bet is zero, i understand correctly that they are going, well, for ukraine to do the operation and, without general anesthesia there, thus, despite the fact that the war is going on. they don't pay attention to it, they demand it, they pay attention to it, and we, we generally do these reforms , this operation, you say, without anesthesia for the second year, because there is no anesthesia in the war,

our wounds are open, they are bleeding and spasms are given all over the body, so we feel it, each on our own skin, but despite this, we still have to develop, develop or die, this is the main motto, i think these are the points that are required of us, look, what's up dorkoza, i just remembered, just before going to see you, i read an interview, we now have several new ambassadors, in particular a new representative of the european union, this is the first interview, the journalist asks her, well here it is necessary, no, in this case it is the european truth, yes, but yes, yes, but yes , i read the text and they say, well, it is necessary, it means to stop the single marathon, restore this, restore this, then you need a full-fledged political life, and she says: you have a war, don't forget, you have a war, that's why taras is right, yes, that the understanding that everything is not so good now is normal, yes, in the understanding that the war continues, and certain restrictions are needed, certain requirements that are connected with

the war, they must be taken into account, this is, i think, what is the understanding of this, we said about money, it does not apply to military aid, yes, that is why there is an understanding, but as for the content, i will do this based on experience and certain knowledge, in such documents, as now with "this list of reforms appeared, always, a significant part, these are the advice of people from ukraine, people who work there with the american by the embassy, ​​with the eu representation, of course, yes, people, people who implement certain grants there for anti-corruption policy, and so on, they write their recommendations on what should be done, how it should be done. some issues, indeed, for example, the law, the draft law on the sbu, well, it has been going on for seven or 8 years, yes, yes, and there are several more such points, and on some of them, well, in connection with the anti-corruption policy , now according to

the ministry of defense, there are a number of points there, in principle they are appropriate, but i think that specific people from ukraine already work here and the fact that there is also an internal agenda, like in the usa, that is necessary, you asked why with... immediately in the back, well, it is also for our public, what do you mean, we warned your president, we have formulated certain conditions, but in conditions where now... a shutdown is looming, the risks of a shutdown, the risks of, let's say, such a blackout on the american budget process, they need to demonstrate to the republicans and their democratic party that they are in control, that they are doing a certain audit, they build the control infrastructure, so that's it interrelated external and internal factors in this process, about subjectivity, tell me your opinion, no, i think you understand, it is always good with us, that maybe someone mentioned, but still not

as earlier, earlier, when there were regular lists of such demands from the imf, or in negotiations with the european union , homework, in principle, is a normal practice, there is even a term for this technique, money is absolutely normal, yes, money, that means , or it's not only us, this is the practice within the european union, but not at the imf only with ukraine, and with all others to whom they give money, there is a term methodology money in exchange for reforms, but with us before it was always this external management, we lose our subjectivity, yes, we do not decide anything, in this case i i think that we have just demonstrated our subjectivity on the battlefield and even in foreign policy, we are in fact a year and a half of war, that is, almost 600 days of war, we are imposing an agenda on weapons, on the topic of, by the way, applying to the eu, we took the first step, we

pushed, and now they have started to rebuild its entire eu enlargement strategy, because two years ago this question was not raised at all, and it is the same for nato, so we are restoring subjectivity, but they want to control the process, it seems to me, you know, they want to restraining zelensky too quickly, and zelensky and ukraine, yes too quickly, you want to move, yes, let's go, we have a signpost for you. there are certain directions, there is a certain schedule, follow it, washington will have nothing to answer for, if everything is done, that's right, why not take the next one into nato once, not only, not only, i think that this is a tool of control, they are used to it, in principle it is normal, because they have such a rational bureaucracy, they are used to working like this and they want us to work like this too according to their bureaucratic schedule, we see that three auditors have opened offices in kyiv within a few weeks, this is probably not for nothing either, well, of course, this is necessary now, because the republicans say,

well, we need to control, check over and over, but this is for the future, for now in these 50s billions that andrey mentioned, i remember how sveridenka said, she warns, it's not for recovery, it's for current financing, it's good for four years, but it 's for current financing, but when they're looking for money, they we still need to find, not even 700, 300 billion still need to be found, find somewhere. and yes, and for this money they want, well, 700m appears everywhere, 700 is the maximum, i tell you , god forbid that they find 300 for what needs to be restored first of all after the end of the war, but in order to there were none accusations, no problems, in particular with our internal corruption, they want this infrastructure of control, the infrastructure of promoting reform, it was formed in advance, so that it was already working, not created later after the war, i would like

to clarify just for our viewers, firstly, that we need 700 billion in total, but not money that goes to reconstruction, in fact the vast majority of this money is investment money, in development, in modernization, in new interesting projects, itself, for reconstruction itself, quickly, in a short in the long term, we need approximately 15 billion, in a slightly longer term, a maximum of 100 billion. another amount, this is a slightly different amount, moreover, in these 50 billion. there are these 50 billion, and a small portion of the money invested there is just money for quick recovery, yes , even about 2 billion per year of business investments are invested there, the structure of these 50 billion is so interesting, it is not only for financing the budget deficit, this is the first, second opinion, we should not restore the subjectivity of ukraine, we need to form it, in our there was no subjectivity unfortunately, for 32 years, auditors are that, we call them auditors, yes, and we ourselves, we scare the share, i told you, i narrated

the critics, yes, yes, yes, yes, that is, we her, as they say , critics of what is happening received, when the full-scale invasion began, this subjectivity , and there due to the fact that the president began to speak like this for the world, yes, but now, when a document with points flies in the back, we seem to lose our subjectivity, that 's why those who lost it, or let's say , didn't want to work, say that. in mode subjectivity, that's what they are talking about now, unfortunately, there is a certain cynicism and double standards here, but poland also negotiated with the americans, and there were also plans, all of them had plans, that's all. when you take a loan, you sign a loan agreement and it says life insurance, you don't say: oh, they are managing my life, no, this is the condition on which they give the loan, they want us to survive, so that we can not to become an enemy for their money, they need to be convinced that we will not turn the haimar against poland, for

what should they do, when corruption remains in our country, including in military procurement, it remained, it remained, then what should they have done? when corruption remained in other sectors, when we did not have the economic recovery that we are talking about, why is this happening, they are absolutely clearly worried, they want greater transparency of the partnership, if we in our, in our subject approach, which is recovering, got rid of infantilism, clearly understood that it is necessary to speak with them in their language, the language of documents, evidence, transparency, inclusiveness, it would be much easier. if they need to make institutions for this now, it is also to our benefit, we are sorry, for two years we go and ask where is marshall, miss, mr. marshall, where is he, well, miss marshall, now we have, great, let's talk to her , in fact, these friends of ours, who were at the meeting with her, say that

they liked a lot of things, on the contrary, and there, there is such a lady who could defeat the mexican mexican cartels, for a reason. the thought of what if is also important here they give us such documents, as the critics say in the back, yes, this is also about the perspective, so they see the perspective of our country, because the war is not just for land, but for the perspective of life on this land, that is, if they see certain investment opportunities and they talk about them openly and openly , let's say auditors come here, as they have already been called, that is, it is about vision. of the future and it is, it is unknown, obviously, the issue of security is in the first place, because if it is to solve the issue of security, then large investments should not be expected, but already now, for example, during today's meeting of arms manufacturers that

took place in kyiv, i learned that there is already construction of certain infrastructure facilities of the military command, precisely in ukraine, in western ukraine, that is... production yes, but and the construction of new facilities, the defense industry is like that too, that is, it is also about the future, if the germans come here with the construction of factories, it is also about the future, it is not about some short-term there short-term, representatives of 20 defense factories of france are strategic the vision that it is possible and necessary to build here, because ukraine remains, because if only. saw the prospects in our country, it is unlikely that representatives of the largest arms manufacturers would meet in kyiv today and discuss some specific plans, they would say, well, kyiv is dangerous here, why should we go there, but the fact that this happened today is a sign, i think , very positive, you said today, yes, one such, one short thesis, simple, but this is also an example when

we demonstrate subjectivity, because the topic of our own defense production, what is we need, we are promoting, we are promoting, i posed the question to the americans back in the 21st year, when i came to the states, then they did not listen, now we see that the topic is moving, but where there is a lack of subjectivity, it is precisely because on the topic of reforms, on the topic of the reform of our economic policy, so this is a traditional story, when the imf puts beacons on us, yes, and we ourselves have to form and promote our own policy, the economic policy of the future, those strategies that are constantly talked about, yes, yes unfortunately, what are we in for? we do, the imf requires us to go back there, for example, tax audits , we tried to show subjectivity, the president agreed on a new formula at a meeting with businesses, and now our deputies themselves are starting to say, no, it won't pass, instead of

to show a consolidated position that at all meetings with the imf we defend our subject position, that we do not mind, that we do not do this in order to, well, somehow deceive the imf, but we explain: we argue to the imf why now during the war this format is better, and the imf is there unconscious absolutely people, i would have many meetings with them, they listen to arguments, they don't listen to emotions, they listen to arguments. and tell me, are there any cases in history when, well, the country got into such difficult circumstances, both economic and political, as well as their creditors or countries, on whom the life of the struggling country depended, well, they set certain conditions and let's say so , they were forced to conduct a parallel process, now everyone will be surprised, for the first time in history the imf is helping a warring country, it was important to hear that, huh. about perspective the fact that, you see, we, with our position, our stability and our demonstration to the world that we

still stand for a bright position, convinced the directors of the imf to change their own internal norms, despite the fact that , let me remind you, there is also russia in the imf, and other countries that many african countries, including those that are part of the imf, asked, excuse me, but we, you did not change the rules when we asked, during our wars, such a condition was made in ukraine, so not that that we should bow there, and we should understand that no one works against ukraine in these institutions, they just see that we need help, including meaningful help, we have to be encouraged to our own leader, and if you look, there are such demands, and against which, well, in particular , you are fighting, there is the law on

tax recovery. this option is better, they put it to us, and this is what the president said, by the way, in an interview with me, so when he said that they demand this from us, that is, our business demands something else and asks, and they demand, but there were two basic conditions, cancel the tax 2% of the turnover we introduced during the war and go back to lifting the moratorium on checks yes. business itself showed its progressive position. business itself said: we are ready, remove these two 2%. we are ready to give up. that is, the business has already shown a strong position as a subject. after the checks, there is a simple logic. checks are most often directed to those companies that are so light. this, unfortunately, in our experience, hinders the conduct of honest business. and from whom you can take something, so,

so what was the offer, let's for the time being, for wartime, we will leave the moratorium, but we will return the checks to risky companies, to companies that do not meet certain indicators, to companies that are dangerous, look, but i am afraid that this is a movement in one direction, because when you come for a visa to the american the embassy and you are refused, then you have no right to ask why i was refused, and when there is a demand for a law on the restoration of tax audits , please do it, it has not been implemented in our country, but you have to do it, but the government receives a lot of hate from business for this, the authorities do not appeal to the united states of america, which makes this demand, which makes this demand, the government appeals to its business appeals to its government, of course, because business does not negotiate with our international partners, so how to resolve this dispute, how to resolve it now, first to the president , the government, those who conduct negotiations with our partners, not to conduct it behind the scenes, to speak openly with business. the second point is that our international partners are currently

conducting a technical discussion regarding all these markers that have been assigned to us. during of this technical discussion, we can convey our position, the chance you will sittudyre , and what prevented then mr. andriy and mr. taras business , which has its public representatives who participate in prayer breakfasts, to convey everything... after all, the impossibility of fulfillment to washington and even the harmfulness of fulfilling this demand, this position was reported to washington , they definitely participated in the prayer breakfasts and definitely reported this and other positions, in the west they perceive it, but they also say it directly, sorry, but we have all this say your official negotiators, so we are waiting for the minister of finance, who is the official negotiator for ukraine with the international monetary fund, to show his position, that the president, in conversations with the leadership of international institutions, will convey

this position once again, defend the ukrainian, ukrainian point of view, not on what we want to throw at the imf, what we offer in return, then all these demands are negotiating positions, no no no, yes, this is what we are constantly talking about, and both are absolutely, absolutely right, mr. volodymyr , which is mostly the majority these demands were written by the ukrainians themselves. this is all generally discussed, there is no stable position, but one is possible, but you were just asked, i want to answer whether there were examples in history, we mentioned the marshall plan, the marshall plan was connected with the fulfillment of certain conditions, there are even political demands there were, for example, that there were no communists in the governments, and there were some others, yes, there were demands on economic policy, and so on, that is, in principle, when they provide particularly large assistance, financial, economic, then demands

are always made, yes what in this sense there were historical analogues, there are a lot of worries about whether these billions of hryvnias will be given to ukraine further on our ability to resist, they will not be given, and, to what extent, who will win in their congress, and how far will the republicans, who will take over in them , and in connection with this, it also caught my eye that, as they say, this does not concern the armaments, the armaments will go according to plan, but, believe me, the voting, we saw, 90, 90 congressmen voted in favor of ending the supply of weapons to ukraine, 350 is against this amendment, but these 90 are also taken up somewhere, it's a weight, it's not a good signal nice, i wouldn't be afraid, nor a shutdown, actually it will definitely and definitely, we won't get until the first number they won't make it, no, well, everything that today, but there are no eternal shutdowns, they are temporary, i think

that well it is already known that we receive 6 billion during this period. that is, by the new year, i think that the budget in the united states will still be voted on by the new year, and a total of 23 billion for ukraine will be included there, is that good, well, this is the minimum we need, the minimum, for sure, we will receive there are enough weapons, it is in the interests of the united states itself, about weapons, it is absolutely in the interests of the united states, simply because then the united states will also lose, and they cannot do that, absolutely, absolutely, but what we have to understand is that we don't... need to take someone else's side now, we need to strengthen lobbying for the interests of ukraine, we failed lobbying, from the prayer breakfasts , the key thing that flew in, just this, is not that we do not convey the position, but that we do not work at all at the level of senators, congressmen, yes , as we worked for many years, a long time ago

ago, and now we don’t work like that, not to mention that ukraine is more of an irritant than, well, they did not prejudge the war, but historically we have certain regimes, they allowed a lot of things, if indeed we, lobbied the interests of the progressives, the progressive part, if we had properly established cooperation with analytical institutions, then maybe the anchor would have changed his position not a year ago, but 10 years ago, his war convinced everyone... but we did not work with it, we worked, we, we, sorry, what figure we are not, we are constantly afraid of something, said fokuyamo, build strong institutions, and we issued something that they should not be strong, but inclusive, flexible, adaptable to such a policy, we issued it, we built strong institutions, directorates, the rest, what we got, we got that there is no connection between the government

and civil society, that we don't have a strategy. read fokuyama about the end of history, everyone thought that history is the end and didn't build anything, it always comes, yes, yes, yes, when fokuyama is mentioned, yes, that's what i say it's simple, and we, and we just, well, we perceive it very squarely, as in crime fiction, yes, here, yes, but we now have a unique opportunity to show that ukraine is a subject, that ukraine is ready to defend its own interests , and that ukraine is definitely a part of the western world, and this is not being discussed , yes, well, but it will be difficult for us... after all , to convince the republicans to vote on time, especially today, already on friday, there is a special are sent to the institutions of the united states of america that there is no funding, respectively they switch to a special regime of work, there only, well, the country does not stop there, national security works, justice works, but there is yes, and separately, but there are also questions for investigators, because the work

of individual investigators is stopped and trump wants to use it as a moment, so that for...' so can they list the new mail back, no, look, the republicans are now doing to the biden administration the same thing that the democrats did to trump, under trump there was an impeachment of trump, right before the election, and there was a shutdown too, when the democrats had a majority in the lower house congress, we write it off badly, we write it off badly, how to say, even today... a senator from the democratic party died , it was a long time ago, and they lost the majority, and this is this is important, put three dots, another

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